In Medellin Now-- This is Absolutely One of The Most Beautiful Cities Anywhere

ColombianoX says on Feb 9, 2005, 19:17:

Post some pictures if you can. I'm glad you're enjoying the city. Take care.


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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kernow62 says on Feb 9, 2005, 19:19:

Careful about that last comment, Gomezman might take exception. Chicago is his town, and he will start espousing its virtues ad nauseum if we aren't careful. ;-).

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 9, 2005, 21:53:

I hope Greg444 doesn't read this thread. He hates it when people say nice things about Medellin. At least you left out any references to the women. That really sends him over the edge.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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miamimike says on Feb 9, 2005, 22:30:

Would like to see that Elevated MetroRail I have never visited Medellin but I have looked at their metrorail system several times- a freind who has been there several times really raves about it-wish Miami had a more extensive one to releive the traffic congestion here. The Milenio(bogota) has been mentioned here in Miami as a possible idea to alleviate our tramsit mess. This friend claims the same "Best city in Colombia"

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Sam Salmon says on Feb 9, 2005, 22:40:

Forget The Train! OK well the train is great and an excellent conversation starter but there is so much more...






' a la orden!'

' a la orden!'

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lpdiver says on Feb 10, 2005, 04:21:

I agree 100% I dream of the day I can relocate there and live. The metro is very nice and I want to see the new cable cars. The only negative I have is the air pollution due to vast amounts of diesel traffic and nature of being in a velley.

I will post some pictures of Medellin soon. I have hundeds.

Tony

"cook some rice!"

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 10, 2005, 08:12:

For myself, I doubt that day will ever happen. My wife still owns her apartment but I can't see the security situation ever improving to the point that a gringo could live there without looking over your shoulder all the time. My own fantasies center on having a ranch somewhere between Monteria and Covenas.

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Hunter says on Feb 11, 2005, 12:48:

UC There are quite a lot of foreigners living here, I look over my shoulder less here than when I am in London.

Hunter

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paisa29 says on Feb 11, 2005, 13:21:

Medellín... Is the most beautiful city in the world.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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gabriel says on Feb 11, 2005, 14:37:

In the world.... Thats pretty bold statement.... I myself never been to Medellin I'm going to have check it out. The most beautiful city that I've laid eyes on has to be Rio de janeiro, Followed by Merida in Venezuela.


Yerba mala nunca muere....

Yerba mala nunca muere....

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jelsaad says on Feb 11, 2005, 19:17:

It is ONE o the mos beautiful cities --obviously, places like B.A., Rio, San Francisco, Hong Kong, Paris, etc. are also gorgeous. It is indisputable, however, that Medellin has a hiher concentration of gorgeous women than anywhere else on earth!

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 11, 2005, 21:28:

Maybe for you, Hunter, that's true. When I am there with my wife, we are always taking precautions and thinking about security. I can't even walk around the neighborhood after 8 pm. It just gets to be a drag after a while. I prefer Monteria where you can just live like a normal person.

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Hunter says on Feb 12, 2005, 03:39:

UC I saw your photos, you look as gringo as me.

I wouldn't walk around large parts of London at 8pm, without taking security precautions either.

Hunter

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kernow62 says on Feb 12, 2005, 06:54:

Geez I wouldn't walk around parts of many cities in the daytime either! There are so may beautiful cities in the world, I am constantly amazed at the beauty of cities in places I would never imagine such interesting architecture. Of course it always helps if your city has an ideal backdrop such as Bogotá, Medellin, Vancouver or Santiago to name but a few. Here's the site you need to check out for some very nice cities.

http://skyscrapercity.com/

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go2pr says on Feb 12, 2005, 09:25:

I personnaly haven't been impressed AT ALL by Medellin : any modern and clean southern brasilian city like Curitiba, Belo Horizonte or Porto Alegre (as mid-sized cities like Ribeiro Preto, Goiania, Londrina, Bauru, ect ...) have done since long the way that Medellin is just beginning to do. The women didn't impressed me as well (I find them too short), as the people, who were just as nice (and as bad) as anywhere else in south america.

What is endlessly described here like a "hidden gem" or a "undiscover secret" is IMO very largely over-rated.

Yet I'm still curious, but not that hurry, to see other parts of the country.

Most beautiful cities anywhere, before Medellin ?

Paris, Nice, Roma, Bologna, Budapest, Kiev, Prague, Barcelona, Vientiane, Chiang Mai, Hanoi, Bandung, Jogja, Hong Kong, Rio, Buenos Aires, Goiania, Florianopolis ....

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greenday says on Feb 12, 2005, 10:49:

as I stated on another thread to you go2pr Why don't you find a Brazilian forum to contribute to????
You've got nothing favorable to post about Colombia, you've been there one time for 2 weeks...I guess that makes you an expert in your mind. After all, according to you, all South American countries are alike, they all think alike...and you think you are not being stereotypical?? What happened to you in the short time that you spent in colombia, didn't get laid??

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go2pr says on Feb 12, 2005, 11:36:

"What happened to you in the short time that you spent in colombia, didn't get laid??"

No. Sorry. I'm spoiled by Sao Paulo girlies and high quality women, in Brasil I also avoid third world trash.

Anyway is getting laid THE highlite of a trip to Colombia ?

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greenday says on Feb 12, 2005, 11:53:

go2pr Then why are you so tired of Brazil, as you posted on a thread last year wanting info on Colombian night clubs???
I've met many guys like you in my travels in Colombia. They tell me how great Brazil is, they live there, there are so many women. When I ask them if Brazil is so great, what are they doing in Colombia?? They stumble & bumble & mumble, but never give me a straight answer. But it's interesting, they all have many things in common, some being: all are socially inept, unpresentable, and so unattractive they couldn't get laid in a whorehouse. Now, of course go2pr, I'm not saying you fall into this catagory, but in all of your recent posts, you brag about how great & beautiful Brazil is, how there are so many beautiful women, and how you have so many women, but you are tired of this and want to go to Colombia. And when you go to Colombia, you aren't impressed with Medellín (the most beautiful city in Colombia), and in your posts you bash colombia and hype-up Brazil. What's up with you go2pr?? There must be a problem (deep seeded) with you...you just can't find happiness??
My advice is: stay in Brazil!!!

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go2pr says on Feb 12, 2005, 12:06:

"Then why are you so tired of Brazil"


To teach you something, I'm perfectly happy here : Sao Paulo shrines above all for the guy looking for social life, good music, late-night parties, high quality women, fine clubs, awesome nightlife, good food, ect ...... And that's not even counting with the nearby beach towns in the beautiful Litoral Norte like Camburi, Maresias or Ubatuba, or the mountain forests, caves, waterfalls, and other parks and natural reserves throughout the State.

Sorry to have found Medellin quite dull, but as this is a discussion board .....

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greenday says on Feb 12, 2005, 12:08:

thank you for proving my point have a great day in Brazil!!!! keep searching............

Just as a reminder, below is your quote from a post on 5/6/04:

"I've been many times in Brasil, but the country has lost some his charm for me : Colombia will be the next destination."

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greenday says on Feb 12, 2005, 13:20:

you calling me ignorant??? Now go2pr, you call me ignorant after writing the sentence below, a sentence that grammatically makes no sense (there are many in your portfolio of posts)...

"Too bad, I thought I could have come living there from what i've read on boards like this one."

when you can learn to write and communicate properly in English, then you can accuse others of being ignorant, until then you're just the pot calling the kettle black...


Now, since you are no longer interested in Colombia, please find another board to infest.

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ARMacleod says on Feb 12, 2005, 14:58:

I think I saw it. I saw a film about this place I think it was called 'Captain Pirellis Medellin' Don't think it was in Spanish though?


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go2pr says on Feb 13, 2005, 03:15:

Sorry "a sentence that grammatically makes no sense (there are many in your portfolio of posts)..."

Sorry to be a non native english speaker.

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greenday says on Feb 13, 2005, 05:14:

go2pr sorry, but in your earlier posts you stated you were a gringo...

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Gadianton says on May 29, 2005, 15:26:

Are You Serious Hunter? You said "I look over my shoulder less here than when I am in London"? Then how do you explain Medellin having a peak 6,804 murders in 1992 to London's average of 180 to 200 since that time? Even in 2002 Medellin had 4,933 murders - with it's populace gone from 2 million in '92 to 3 million during that period.

So your telling me that a city that's been 2.5 to 3.5 times larger and had 25 times to 40 times less murders, is more dangerous than Medellin? A remarkable coincidence! I guess it was just your personal experience eh?

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Gadianton says on May 29, 2005, 15:35:

London Is Not Medellin Hunter! You also said "I wouldn't walk around large parts of London at 8pm, without taking security precautions either" in reference to Medellin.

Personally, I think you'd find very few people who are unwilling to walk around the overwhelming majority of London at that time of the evening. And the worst you'd expect in London when you do get in trouble is a punch in the face, or merely intimidation by youths without coming to physical harm. At least in the vast majority of incidents. Medellin of course is rather different.

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greenday says on May 30, 2005, 05:07:

It's amazing what some guys will post here...
There is NO WAY Hunter is walking around Medellín as if it were cheery old London town!!

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Hunter says on May 30, 2005, 10:45:

Gadianton & greenday I suggest you go and live in London for 2.5 years and then Medellin for the same amount of time, then you will work it out for yourself which is far safer.

If you stay away from certain areas in Medellin, you are highly unlikely to encounter a problem, where as in London, you will encounter problems everywhere, I have been stabbed, attacked with a bottle, I can give you another dozen things, funny thing, I never go out to bars in London, this all happened during the daytime, while I am going about everyday activities. None of the places I had a problem were classed as bad areas, ordinary to good neighbourhoods.

Also I know Colombians who are living in London, they didn't come from dangerouse neighbourhoods in Colombia, but they say that they have NEVER had a problem in Colombia, but they have had several in London, the last trip in April, I was talking to a Mexican guy from Mexico City, he again did not come from a bad neighbourhood, but he said that he has had several problems there and found London a far worse place than Mexico City can go on and on.

I talk some Colombians in Colombia who have had big problems in Colombia, but the majority have no problems to the odd minor one.

Go and live there for 4 years, don't hang in bad areas, find out if the person you get any information on is an eternal optimist, or pessimist or preferably a realist before you listen to what they say. Then make up your own mind. Basing information on stats is a seriously flawed way of viewing things unless you know how they complied the stats and more importantly in this case who were the people killed, I personnaly have made a very good living by reading the information behind the stats.

Go and live in both places for a few years then decide, if I was alone in my view, I would think there was something wrong with me, but the majority of foreigners I know here have never had a problem or the odd minor one, they have been living here 2-37 years.

Hunter

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tommytoyz says on May 30, 2005, 19:27:

I would not rate Medellin as prettiest either Sorry,
Once I made the rounds in Medellin, I was very underwhelmed. Staying in just a small corner called Parque Lleras is silly - that's like calling central park representative of Manhattan.

I do find the Medellin women beautiful though - no doubt. I was in Rio 2 weeks before I went to Brazil and was not impressed with the women there at all. Though I have been told other areas, including Sao Paolo are much better in this regard. But yes, Medellin does have its charms....But let's be a little real. That's my 2cents

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Gadianton says on May 31, 2005, 01:23:

Hunter You're mistaken Hunter, I've been researching crime stats for many years and have lived in London. Your viewpoint is so off the wall that it can't possibly be taken seriously. I'm wondering wether you work for the Medellin tourist board or something? London has a negligable murder rate while Medellin had the worst murder stats of any city in the world for many years, only recently dislodged by the brutally violent Honduran metropolis of San Pedro Sula.

Medellin still has very few foreigners despite what you said. I also think you were being a bit selective with the truth when you mentioned Colombians and Mexicans living in London. London more dangerous than Medellin and Mexico City? Complete and utter nonsense.

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fosth says on May 31, 2005, 02:45:

I would have to agree with Hunter. I accept your point Gadianton about the Murder rate being higher in Medellin than London but i think you're missing Hunter's point.
The chances of being Murdered indiscriminatly in any city are pretty low. He's saying abount the threat of Robbery,Mugging etc. In London this can happen in some of the most expensive residential areas of London (Holland Park, Knightsbridge, Kennsington) and regularly happens to friends in areas such as Clapham and Islington.
This happens in Medellin as well but i doubt it would happen in the most affluent areas of the city. I felt perfectly safe in Sud-America after dark, however walking down Clapham high street in the evening that's a different matter!!

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Brians says on May 31, 2005, 05:00:

Medellin is Paradise I have been just about everywhere. I have experienced many cultures up close and personal. My Colombian friends always told me to visit Medellin and stay with their families. I was always apprehensive because of the warnings against Americans. However when I met a paisa in Rio I decided to visit. I was absolutely blown away. I would live there is a second if I was not concerned about saftey. I do plan to purchase a place in Poblado next year. Hopefully over time I will either become less concerned about safety. I hope it is not really an issue but it still is in my head. Maybe Medellin will continue to become a safer city as it has been becoming for the last 5 years. I never felt even close to threaten in the city and I traveled throughout the area. However I am concerned that all it takes is one incident to lose everything. In the US you get mugged etc. but usually don't lose your life. My fear is that in Medellin an incident has a lot higher fatality rate. Maybe I will be proven wrong.

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flaleo says on May 31, 2005, 05:51:

Hunter and I don't usually agree, but his point is so right on. Look at an extreme example to illustrate his point on your statistics... if there were a million murders in Medellin in the last 12 months, but all but one occurred in one neighborhood and all victims were known gang members, then how would that compare to a city with even 100 murders? Well, that city (London in this example) would be 100x more dangerous (murder risk).

If you wish for a more technical, professional explanation, then don't assume a statistic represents a probability without consideration for conditionality.

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Hunter says on May 31, 2005, 06:19:

fosth I am glad somebody gets it.

I pay attention to crime stats but I prefer to see what is going on around me, and see what happens to the people who are liveing there, I picked out the Colombians and the guy from Mexico City because this a Colombian board and I see Mexico City mentioned in posts regarding violence. They both have high murder rates, there was a guy there from Florence Italy on the same trip, who also said much the same, but I know nothing about Florence. The vast majority of people who get murdered is not random, in London the vast majority are low lifes, much the same in Colombia.

I worked in a office in the West end of London, also looked after quite a few rented properties, the rented properties generally short term lets and about 85% of the people staying in them are not British. The majority of the people who worked in the office were British, a great deal of both groups of people had problems, virtually none were ever reported to the Police, generally only if there was an insurance claim involved, none of them were murdered, just muggings and beatings, the worse beating was a guy who couldn't walk for 3 months after it.

A lot boils down to how you live, if you just get on the underground around the rush hour and head back and for to work or in a car, I found that people generally had few problems in London. BUT if they walked around/cycled a lot, the vast majority had a problem sooner or later, I unfortunately lived in London for 7.5 years, something might not happen for 2 years, then several in a few months, average was once every nine months.

For comparisons I lived in Strata 3 – 5 neighbourhoods in London, in Colombia Strata 3 – 6, I live much the same life except I go out to drinking in Medellin in the evenings, never once went out in London drinking, I would rather save my money then for 2 months of holidays a year and to get out of the shit hole. One interesting thing is that for about 3.5 years I lived in a town about 45 mins away from London, where I never had any problems, nor did the people I knew, I thought it was all a load of scaremongering about crime out of control in the UK, after moving to a City, then I realise they are half right crime is out of control in parts of the UK.

One thing that quite a few people don’t seem to count living in what I call target Cities, sooner or later a nuclear bomb is going to go off, personally I think it will only be a little one (won’t be on the scale of the Japanese ones) and in which target City/s is any ones guess, but I am 100% certain it will happen, I don’t class Medellin as a target City, but I sure do count London, then all the stats that people like quoting will be out the window.

Hunter

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Hunter says on May 31, 2005, 06:26:

Gadianton One correction the foreigners I know that have been living here for 2-37 years is not just in Medellin but Colombia.

Hunter

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viewpoint says on May 31, 2005, 07:26:

DITTO - HUNTER POSTS I know that Hunter's statements about Medellin ring true because he's walked the walk before he talked the talk (I have met him personally). He's a down-to-earth foreign person well educated in the art of survival (and living) in Medellin and elsewhere in Colombia. As he says there are many foreign persons living in Medellin but there not standing on the streets with a sign advertising that fact. The foreign people that I have met in Medellin are living there by their own choice for the quality of life, the beauty of the city, the culture and the quality people that accept you into their homes and lives.

I am certainly not a world traveler but I have traveled many parts of the Americas. I have never found a nicer city than Medellin for it's climate, it's peoples, it's modern infastructure and culture. Santiago, Chile is a great city but thousands of miles away from the area that I need to be located in (and many flying hours).

My only complaint with Colombia is that the laws and regulations of Colombia make doing business there (as a foreign person) extremely difficult and unrewarding (for the most part).

If there is a nicer city (than Medellin) in Mexico, Central America or the northern portion of South America I would appreciate someone stepping forward to share this information with me because I haven't been able to find it. Panama City is certainly another city of honorable mention for it's immigration friendly policies that are bringing foreign people from all over the world to their soil to live and invest.

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fosth says on May 31, 2005, 07:43:

Anyway Going back to Jelsaad's point. I would agree that Madellin is a great city with the nicest climate i've experienced anywhere.
Perhaps not on par with Buenos Aires or Munich but great anyway.

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fosth says on May 31, 2005, 07:43:

Anyway Going back to Jelsaad's point. I would agree that Madellin is a great city with the nicest climate i've experienced anywhere.
Perhaps not on par with Buenos Aires or Munich but great anyway.

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vladimiro says on May 31, 2005, 07:54:

Documentary About Foriegners in Medellin Theres a documentary tonight at 8:30 on TeleAntioquia about foriegners that have chosen to live in Medellin.

http://www.teleantioquia.com.co/Programas/TeleantioquiaGlobal/TeleantioquiaGlobal.htm

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Gadianton says on Jun 2, 2005, 07:24:

Hunter You have a very peculiar view of London there. Medellin has far more robberies, fights etc. Crime isn't out of control in the UK AT ALL. Murders do of course, happen over a large segment of Medellin. It is extraordinary what people post. I've walked all over London and in the worst parts at all hours.

I've also spoke to many Colombians and Mexicans, and while some clearly don't want to admit it, the ones who do talk about crime universally claim London is far, far safer from whence they came. Strange how our experiences differ isn't it? The statistics don't lie. You can fudge, twist and shape them how you want.

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timjjs says on Dec 21, 2008, 20:16:

There is no reason to be against someones opinion about Medellin because everybody is free to think and like whatever they want and i personally agree with this guy, Medellin is a beautiful and interesting city, it has some problems but what city doesn't? i was born in Medellin and i am very proud of my city and im completely in love with it.

The complete guide to the most beautiful city in South America www.thisismedellin.com

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Gringo Spy says on Dec 21, 2008, 20:51:

Can you say flaming troll?

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GringOrion says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:02:

no tropical banana you are the troll because you take a perfectly inane thread and jack with honest contributors to it. one word: troll

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Gringo Spy says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:03:

.

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goin_south says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:07:

or, .. Have you ever been to San Diego?
(yeah, California.. not Colombia)
I've been to Medellin, and don't get me wrong.
I just have fun goin to Colombia.
But, Medelllin or any other place there is hardly 'stunningly beautiful'.
Maybe Cartagena, ... where I have not been.
Jus talkin las ciudades.
Not talkin: las montanas, or the jungles.

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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GringOrion says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:11:

trollin trollin trollin
see that dipshit trollin
he'll be always trollinnnn - brown eye

if ya think he's a dirty rascal
oh no, he's just an asshole
just trollin foreverrrr - brown eye

trollin trollin trollin...

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Catfish35 says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:15:

Posts like this always seems to give some the chance to ooze their testosterone, and brag of jaunts and junkits, that may or may not have ever happened. People argue over who is going to star in the next Fight Club sequel...lets all just remember what the first rule of Fight Club was...por favor!
One man's beauty is anothers beast!
I personally think Detroit, Michican't happens to be the most beautiful city in da hole wide wierld !!!!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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GringOrion says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:15:

and col-x contributed to this thread - this is all messed up that this troll posted here disgracing col-x with his presence

where is col-x?

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GringOrion says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:19:

"But, Medelllin or any other place there is hardly 'stunningly beautiful'."

wrong - get around a bit

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goin_south says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:23:

"get around a bit?"

touchet.
(sorry, GO; I see you were born in Oh! Cana daaaaa!.. I'll cut you a lil slack)

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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GringOrion says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:25:

yeah see the country and then say that again

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GringOrion says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:25:

are you a troll? yup - case closed

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goin_south says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:39:

there are parts of Colombia that are in fact, stunningly beautiful.
in rank as cities go,... medellin?
It's a cool place to be.
as for stunning?
as compared to other cities??
NO. RESOUNDINGLY,... NO.

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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Gringo Spy says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:43:

Beauty is subjective and as the saying goes "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". No one here is right or wrong when it comes to their personal opinion of beauty. dos pesos!

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GringOrion says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:51:

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

exactamente y abrir sus ojos un momento a verla

for some - everything is physical, but not for me

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GringOrion says on Dec 21, 2008, 21:51:

a donde va col-x?

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goin_south says on Dec 21, 2008, 22:04:

okay, then.. jus tuma la mierda de sus ojos! jaajaja..

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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GringOrion says on Dec 21, 2008, 22:08:

wow. i'm so laughing now. that was brilliant. or.....

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goin_south says on Dec 22, 2008, 04:36:

not.

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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robi666 (Trustee board) says on Dec 22, 2008, 04:53:

Medellin was way better three years ago, when this thread was started.
We are literally dying of traffic.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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