Immigration scumbag in Miami

papiChulo says on Jun 1, 2008, 18:36:

what a douche bag.

you'll never go before your time

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Simon says on Jun 1, 2008, 18:37:

Things like that makes one miss Armenia even more.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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capt_j says on Jun 1, 2008, 18:47:

File a complaint. They are not supposed to act like this.

CBP has a few assholes on power trips, it's a hazard of travelling.

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Monpirri says on Jun 1, 2008, 19:03:

Bufalo next time get his name so we can get rid of him. We do not need assholes working at the airport.

MAC

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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adrimm says on Jun 1, 2008, 19:08:

I totally believe it and it sucks beyond belief. I would write a letter to the airport, whatever politicians & local officials are attached to it, and then politely mention something to the immigration person who helps you when you come through yourself.

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Atrevido says on Jun 1, 2008, 19:11:

Maybe his house was just repossessed.

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manINred says on Jun 1, 2008, 19:19:

Re: Pearson Airport... that is messed up! I thought it was officially "american soil" becase in passing into the States at Pearson and Trudeau (Montreal and Toronto) I was always bemused as to why I was 'leaving Canada' upon going up to the American immigration representatives in the canadian airports.

All of this story aside, the immigration officials I have encountered in the US have been extremely nice to me, very decent, and never given me any problems. The Canadian asses, on the other hand, I have wanted to tell to go to hell, the rude buggers.

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jinksmiester says on Jun 1, 2008, 19:40:

I don,t blame you for bieng pissed....i would be angry as well...the guy probably has no dick and therefore an inferiority complex.Id try and get his name and definitly complain...not sure if it would help or not but if he treated your wife like this no doubt he,s been the same way to others as well...

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

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miamimike says on Jun 1, 2008, 20:54:

When someone from Immigration/Customs treats you as they did, you need to get his Name, position, badge Number ect. Start a paper trail and see the Big Boss in the Airport. They also have Miami/dade Police Personnel stationed at MIA; Go and tell them. If you have a Cell Phone camera, snap a Picture with a Time/date stamp of the Perp! If you don't get satisfaction there, go to the next higher rung and if need be, go to your Congressman/woman or Senator. And maybe the Local Newspaper. They love news such as this. This worst thing you can do is "Nothing" as that allows them to do this to the next person. Immigration in MIA has a pretty spotty record over the years concerning passenger abuse and a Book could be filled with their Shenanigans.This is the same MIA where TIA personnel as well as Baggage personnel have been caught lifting items from Traveler's luggage. The same MIA where Immigration Officials have been caught selling Fake Visas and stamping the Holder's (scammers) Passport as they passed thru his line at MIA. And we won't even talk about what went on after Detainees from the MIA were taken to the Krome detention Center out in the Boonies,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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bufalo says on Jun 1, 2008, 21:00:

She was too freaked to get a name or stick around. Got out of there as soon as he told her to do so. I'll more than likely pass through the same airport and try to talk to someone. Maybe with her name and passport number, day and all the other info, they can track out who it was or something.

Funny, a buddy of mine got through Miami years ago illegally dealing with that inside guy.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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Catfish35 says on Jun 1, 2008, 21:21:

All you need is for her to remember what numbered cubicle. Actually you don't need that but it would help. Customs have an Internal affairs section just like all other depts. And although the chances of a federal officer getting into any hot water is slim., you really should file a complaint on the guy. Your complaint may just be the one that gets him fired. he may be sitting on the edge now, you never know. However, you really should complain. Each officer is assigned to those cubicles and each have a stamp with their own id numbers on them. He had to stamp her docs upon entering, its the declaration forms. These guys are tracked and recored wherever they are while working (for corruption reasons) anyway Supply Customs IAD with your wifes name and tell them you are asking for an investigation. They have to take it. Again, you never know, you may be able to do something, he may have a full file already..I urge you to do this for the sake of all of us!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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miamimike says on Jun 1, 2008, 22:50:

If your complaint is well documented with fact you may be surprised at how far it goes! These guys in Immigration actually get fired, quite a few of them the truth be told. You need hard facts though!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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bickerss says on Jun 1, 2008, 22:58:

What an asshole. I once saw an immigration officer acting like that to a Muslim Man with his wife and small child at Heathrow (yelling at them - asking them if they were stupid as they didnt understand)- made us all cringe. Was like a double personality as when the whites arrived at his desk, he was friendly as hell. Hope you complain!!

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jonas says on Jun 1, 2008, 23:24:

the nice guys never get to sit in a booth at the airport. They do select the very special characters for those positions. F#$#%G PRI$%S. Sorry for your wife but apparently "usual procedure".

What I have, I do not want to lose, but Where I am I do not want to stay, but those I love, I do not want to leave, but those I know I no longer want to see, but Where I die, I do not want to go;I want to stay where I have never been

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Peter (Moderator) says on Jun 1, 2008, 23:42:

Incredible. I totally can sympathize - US immigration are about the worst in the world. They just love to intimidate. I've learnt not to feel intimidated over the years, but I'm a white male from Europe. It's not an easy job but that's no excuse for behaviour like this.

Poor but snappy

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Buongone says on Jun 2, 2008, 00:23:

When i was in Panama. This guy I met said he drove across from Costa Rica. He said they had a lawless zone at the border. 1/2 mile on each side. No laws. Maybe Sloop could verify that.

As for problems with customs. Only had one bad case. In Seattle. Coming back from the Orient. Got searched 4 times. Had to drop my drawers and all that chit. When they wanted to do it a 5th time, I went balistic. They said they were just doing their job. I said Hogwash. They let me go. After being accused of being a smuggler. Up at the bar I was telling a waitress about the whole thing. I said after all that BS they did not even search my moneybelt. Real thorough a-holes.

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sloopskipper says on Jun 2, 2008, 01:07:

Damn, Buongone!

I have no experience with border control here, but little would surprise me.

My only experience with the law was when I had to bribe a cop $160 to keep two Colombians out of jail. Otherwise they probably would have been deported when they got out.

But this might reinforce what you say:

Five Bodies Near the Panama - Costa Rica Border
Wednesday, January 30 2008 at 06:30 PM EST
Contributed by: Don Winner
Views: 300

By DON WINNER for Panama-Guide.com - Authorities discovered five corpses near the international border between the Republic of Panama and Costa Rica close to the Paso Canoas checkpoint. All of the victims had gunshot wounds to the head and were apparently executed. Officials suspect the murders are related to drug trafficking, and are investigating. The bodies were found on the Costa Rican side of the border, and police officials there are calling them \\"foreigners\\" without specifying if they are Panamanians or from some other country. The ages of the victims are estimated to be between 35 and 50 years.

Copyright 2008 by Don Winner for Panama-Guide.com. Go ahead and use whatever you like as long as you credit the source. Salud.

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lpdiver says on Jun 2, 2008, 05:07:

Drop a dime and call 1-800-323-8603. This is USCIS's hotline for criminal activity and misconduct.

t

"cook some rice!"

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 2, 2008, 05:40:

I always said that Miami Airport have the most ignorant, rude, assh.. people working there.

i would complain Bufalo...

What a difference to the UK as soon as you step into any UK airports you see how polite everybody is.

I would have let him to treat me like that, specially in front of my daughter, i couldn't care less if he would have sent me back

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aztec says on Jun 2, 2008, 05:48:

Avoid MIA if at all possible. My wife has also been mistreated there. In fact she has been singled out for additional examination. Pulled out of the line and missed her connection. I was waiting in Atlanta for her arrival and when she didn't show up I had to go to the air line office to discover the problem.

Hasn't happened since she became a citizen.

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 05:54:

PLEASE do whatever you can, make as much noise as you can, about this.

Problem is, the guy gets fired? He's Miami-Dade cop the next day. ;)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 2, 2008, 05:54:

I have been in Miami Airport, New York, Newark, Houston, Atlanta, Lexington, Cincinnati and Orlando and out all of those, the best for me (polite people and very helpful) was Atlanta Airport.

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tomtom33 says on Jun 2, 2008, 05:56:

I would first write to my Congressmen.

"Things like that makes one miss Armenia even more." I hate to break it to you, Simon. There are official Colombian assholes as well. No country has a monopoly. I had novia who was searched by Colombian military in Cartagena. The search included crotch groping by male soldiers. In fact cultural treatment of women in general is much worse in Colombia than it is in the US.

By the way, Kat, I have never been treated with anything but the utmost kindness by every US immigration official that I have ever encountered. I realize that there are assholes. Call me crazy, but I'm guessing that there may be an asshole or two in the UK as well.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:12:

i have ever encounter an assh.. in UK airport neither my family, the are very respectful towards you,

i personally found the staff in Miami specially the latino ones the most ignorant and arrogant

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:13:

i haven't been treated badly but have seen how rude towards everybody they are, they treat people like cattle,

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:14:

"I have been in Miami Airport, New York, Newark, Houston, Atlanta, Lexington, Cincinnati and Orlando and out all of those, the best for me (polite people and very helpful) was Atlanta Airport."

No big surprise there, kat. Atlanta is, after all, a great southern city. :-)

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:16:

Populated by classy, kind, polite folk who speak very similarly to how God talks. ;)

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tomtom33 says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:33:

I agree with not letting anyone get away with crap. I certainly would not allow any US official to mistreat me. I speak the language and know the ropes. And I was a Fed. I do not condone mistreatment of non-US citizens, either.

I have been mistreated in Colombia and let it slide. But I am not fluent in Spanish and have no idea how anything works in Colombia.

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sanandressi says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:40:

US Customs ICE has every right to question anybody going through customs when we have up to 30 million illegals right now in this country and just under half got in on a legal visa with a time period on the visa and NEVER WENT HOME WHEN SAID VISA EXIRED. Got it?

Now, did this guy go to far? Yes! However, we were sent to a special room in Miami once and we saw some ICE guys yelling at immigrant passengers who somehow had problems with their papers. Why were they ever allowed onto the planes? Would you like 19 more Arab males into the country like the clowns on 9-11 in New York?

In our case they called Washington to verify the wife's visa and we were on our way. When dealing with ICE or the State Depaprtment you have to have EVERYTHING in order! What else can they do? Just let everybody in which is pretty much happening anyway. Sooner or later any immigrant to the US is getting in if they try hard enough. Legally or illegally. ILLEGALS have more rights then I do as a citizen in the courts. I have to pay the price and they get kicked lose!

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Monpirri says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:44:

The same rule applies to Colombia. If you find you or a family member mistreated by an asshole who works in a city or government office or anywhere, do not hesitate to file a complaint!
We do not need any more incompetent dudes or dudettes holding a public job.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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miamimike says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:53:

kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:12: flag

i have ever encounter an assh.. in UK airport neither my family, the are very respectful towards you,

i personally found the staff in Miami specially the latino ones the most ignorant and arrogant


kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:13: flag

i haven't been treated badly but have seen how rude towards everybody they are, they treat people like cattle,


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Kat,those Latinos in the Miami Airport talking down to you are the Miami Cubans mostly! Go to their Carreta Airport Restaurant and they act like they are doing you a Favor letting you spend your money on their overly greasy fat food. They act like they own the Airport! I agree 110% with your comments having experienced the same as you 10 times if I experienced it once! For me, best Airport experience was Tampa! Easy to get into from I-275, clean and once inside, the staff are polite/helpful and the airport is layed out very well like Star with Trains running out to all concourses leaving you with a very short walk!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 06:57:

sanandressi, you're so far off base, you can't even see the ballpark from where you stand.

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sanandressi says on Jun 2, 2008, 07:01:

Once in Guatemala an immigration official tried to get me to pay $10 that I knew I did not have to pay. When I asked to see his supervisor he waved me right on through. Only $10 but principle of the thing.

My wife's visa packet was stapled to the last page of her passport in Bogota. This packet was like 8 by 10 inches. When the customs guy in Miami took it off the passport he removed about a one inch tear off that last page of the passort. So a few years later, the gal at customs in Miami saw that little tear and hence we got sent to that special room I mention above. They called Washington to verify her visa. It was OK. Had that first customs guy removed the staple and the packet without tearing the actual Colombian passport page we would not have been sent to the room.

I have actually removed that last page which technically makes the passport invalid. It is just the last page for exit entry stamps. They have never noticed it gone and we have to renew next year. But my point is that everything has to be in order with papers. Especially at the Embassy when applying for any visa. Cross your T's and dot your I's well!

This immigration guy above just sounds like a ^%$# however but then I was not there either?

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Rikito says on Jun 2, 2008, 07:05:

If what you say is true, you should have asked for the duty supervisor and file a complaint. Also, you never (and I mean never) have to go through any kind of strip search without a witness present. You should have also contacted the polic and filed a charge. I know that people laugh about this, but you can fire back at these people. If you are in the right and not being a very arrogant person, which many people who enter the county are.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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Rikito says on Jun 2, 2008, 07:22:

When I first brought my wife to the U.S. we went through Atlanta, GA. The immigration official really looked over my wife's documents and thought she could do as she wants. She noticed that my wife was a) very attractive, b) much much younger than me and, c) obviously nervous. The woman kept us waiting for clearance for over an hour. We were the only people in the room being processed. She then started asking my wife quick questions all in English. At that time Marce's English was ok, but not great. When Marce had a hard time answering the questions she yelled at Marce and wanted to know what she was hiding. I got pisse3d and started doing my usual idiotic verbal attacks. The immigration reps then threaten to not let Marce in the country and have me arrested for obstruction. I then told Marce that I needed to make a phone call. The immigration rep wanted to know who I was calling. I told her I was calling the FBI and the Atlanta police and tell them that my wife is being attacked. I then demanded to see her supervisor. When the supervisor came I quickly gleamed that he was no better than his employee was so I immediately asked for his supervisor. They then started to give me crap and I interrupted them. I told them that my wife had an entry visa, all of her papers where in order and that they had past scrutiny in Bogotá. Unless they had a provable reason to reject my wife, they had no other option but to allow her in the U.S. I warned them that I would never let up filing personal charges against them until they were dismissed.

My point to this is, do not be afraid to stand up to these people. Most of them have low intelligence and think the world revolves around them. Get their names and badge numbers, demand to see their supervisors, call other law enforcement officials, and last, don’t be afraid to call the State Department and make an official complaint. When you do, the burden of proof them shifts to them.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 07:33:

"I told them that my wife had an entry visa, all of her papers where in order and that they had past scrutiny in Bogotá. Unless they had a provable reason to reject my wife, they had no other option but to allow her in the U.S."

You got lucky. You were dead wrong. The ultimate decision on entering the country lies with the immigration officer, not the embassy. All due respect, I'm surprised they didn't make it harder on you, just for your uninformed arrogance.

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bufalo says on Jun 2, 2008, 07:39:

Glad to know they can identify this guy by the stamp. I'm going to file, or actually my wife should since it happened to her. Like I said, I'll ask around on my layover in Miami.

I had something similar in the consulate in Bogota. We handed in the papers for our newborn's passport and US citizen cert. While waiting my wife went outside to breastfeed. The papers came and the guy said he needed to see the baby, again. I told him where she was and he said he'd put her file on the bottom and when he gets to everyone else then come the end of the day she'll get hers.

I told him he didn't have to be such a Fing A-hole in front of everyone and he just went back somewhere behind that glass. Five minutes later, when my wife was finished and we came back in, he waved me over, handed me the forms and even tried to be all chummy with me.

I had the trouble with the same guy months before and told him off then as well, but no so hotly and he responded equally.

Amazing how they think there kings of the world. (but then again if I had their job, would I become a dick too?)

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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tomtom33 says on Jun 2, 2008, 07:42:

There is a difference between standing up and being a dork. If you are being a dork, you will be treated like one. And you have it coming.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 2, 2008, 07:52:

sanandressi says on Jun 2, 2008, 07:01: flag

Once in Guatemala an immigration official tried to get me to pay $10 that I knew I did not have to pay. When I asked to see his supervisor he waved me right on through. Only $10 but principle of the thing.






This bit reminded me when my mum went to the Honduras embassy to asked for a visa to see my sister, who at the time was living in Honduras, my really didn't want to go to Honduras but my sister insisted.

When she went for her appointment the lady a very rude and arrogant started to ask question, what are you going to do there, how much money are you taking , how long my sister was living there, and it was trying to make it sound like if my mother was really going to stay there for good. My mother lost her cool and got really pi** off and told the lady..... Look Mrs, i just going to Honduras to see my daughter because she is so bore in your country nothing else, i am not living Colombia to live there what? as we say salir de guatemala para guatepior.... she told her if you don't want to give me the visa so be it i think you should be ones paying us to go and see your country...

needless to say. Visa denied :)))

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Rikito says on Jun 2, 2008, 07:59:

slguy, you are the one who is wrong. If your 'entry' papers are in order they must let you in. Try reading the State Department's regulations. The immigration people have the defined duty to assess whether or not you have the correct papers and documentation... that's all. They are not given the option of playing god and they are not allowed to make arbitrary decisions. I worked for the Dept. of Commerce and the State Department for many years and I know how these low level people think they can intimidate. I have seen many of these people disciplined for poor conduct towards immigrants. There are uniformed and well explained guidelines on visa's and entry to the U.S. There are also many stories (most of them bogus) like this one. 99% of the immigration representatives are excellent employees and do their jobs well. It is extremely unlikely they would take an adverse action unless absolutely warranted. They do enjoy challenging people to get a reaction which is also against the uniform guidelines. These employees also know they can receive and adverse action from a three day suspension to discharge from the Federal service. Again, if your papers are in order they are required to let you in. And if your papers are not in order you are allowed to have a hearing.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 08:03:

jajajajajajajajajajjaja "needless to say. Visa denied :)))"

gotta love your mom, no?

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sanandressi says on Jun 2, 2008, 08:15:

slguy....why am I so off base? There are an estimated 12 to 30 million illegals in this country. Just under half never crossed any Mexican border but arrived on a valid type of visa with a time limit and they never left and are awaiting amnesty.

Where I live, ILLEGALS, get arrested for things like DUI and they get lighter sentences and in many cases just never show up for trial. The American citizen gets the book thrown at them. Maybe it is different where you live?

Both the State Department officials and the ICE officials at the airports have a lot of authority as to how the handle cases. There seems to be lots of inconsistencies as to who gets a visa and who does not. They are looking for marriage fraud as well. So, if any red flags are present, like mistakes on visa applications, then they can be tough on applicants.

It may not seem fair but that ICE agent does not know who you are? Terrorist? Drug trafficker? Criminal?

So have your papers in order and "be nice says the monkey!" to the aduanejro (a)

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rjstuff says on Jun 2, 2008, 08:39:

My wife's friend came through Miami on labor day - it seems they busted a pilot and an employee at the Miami airport for drug smuggling - it caused a lot of commotion and she was questioned for about an hour in Immigration - most times they just spend a few minutes but I think they were trying to be extra cautious that day and perhaps everyone was questioned thoroughly. As a result of the semi-shut-down at the airport, her flight to New York was canceled till after midnight.
If this happened the same day My 26th, then I understand why everyone might have been pissy. That said, I always act cordial but notice people' names and write them down later for follow up - I believe a sufficient number of complaints will get his boss to put him on notice. We need to do this with cops, immigration, govt. employees and yes even private employees.

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larryrn says on Jun 2, 2008, 08:46:

I get a major hassle once a month when I go to Miami. Where do you stay, who do you stay with, where did you meet her, what did you do, what do you do for work, do you have any work id, where do you bank, over and over. Last month they stopped everyone from the flight as we walked off the plane and in the middle of the hall at MIA before the moving walkway. They guy wanted to look through my bag and had me take the battery out of my laptop and he smelled it like a dog. He then looked at my password (with bi-weekly trips from MIA-MDE) and then wrote some stuff on the palm of his hand. Then I make it though the line (where one in 5 people were walked off with immigration to the "other room" and the lines were moving so slow that the baggage was off the plane and waiting on the other side) then they guy looked at my passport and declariation form and told me to follow her and pointed to the walk around the back to the scanners and inspection. Then they take the password and look at me and type a bunch of stuff in the computer. After another hour I am out of there. This happens to me on a regular basis. I am guilty for coming to Colombia!! Maybe I should check my residence country was being Colombia since I live here more than in Florida?? I hate to say it, but coming to the states is a big hassle. When the flight leaves Miami for Colombia I feel like I am coming home. When the flight leaves Colombia for Miami I know I will be have a problem. I hope I can rent my house out completely -- that way I can stay here and maybe only come back to Florida once every 2 months or so.. Larry

--- Larry Snyder - http://www.rn.org - Your Source for Online Nursing Education!

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 08:58:

sanandressi, you're offbase because our goverment employees have NO excuse for not conducting themselves in a professional manner. Rudeness in a government employee is simply not acceptable, under any circumstances. Doesn't make foqall difference how many visa overstays there are- professionalism is the minimum that anyone ought to expect from representatives of our government.

I'm surprised at your story, larry. I've never once gotten hassle when returning from anywhere. Never even searched baggage - which somewhat disappoints me in our system..;)

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Simon says on Jun 2, 2008, 09:31:

"I'm surprised at your story, larry. I've never once gotten hassle when returning from anywhere."


Of course not.....you're white!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 09:42:

yea - but I'm ugly.

plus, based on his avatar, so is larry - white, I mean.

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 09:45:

simon? you're a black man?

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jorgegdiaz says on Jun 2, 2008, 09:53:

When and ICE officer stamps one´s passport it comes with a number (2 in one side, 4 in the other side). Aren´t those a way to identify which agent stamped that passport?

"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so."Robert Orben

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Mononoke28 says on Jun 2, 2008, 09:56:

I went through Miami last year with my husband and had very nice Immigration officers take care of us, they were really wonderful. I'm sure there's a little bit of everything at each POE and they seem to take advantage of the new people coming in. My mom did have a horrible time coming in through Houston last year though, the guy was ruuuuuuuuude and a total asshole and she's not only a US citizen but speaks very good English. The guy was horrible.

Diana

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:05:

I'm sorry to hear about that, Bufalo.

My passport stamp pages look like a "who's who" of international troublespots yet I've been so lucky as to never be hassled coming into the US.

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Simon says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:06:

"simon? you're a black man?"

No, but I do have dark features.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Mononoke28 says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:09:

So you're black then. =D

Diana

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:19:

It amazes me that many white Americans just don't get what it's like to be a minority in this country. Many entertain the false assumption that racism and discrimination are no longer a problem and that anyone who complains about such issues is just "playing the race card".

I am a very well educated, well spoken professional person with a large income. I grew up in a wealthy white suburb so I don't sound anything remotely like an urban, barrio type. Even so, I have experienced racism and prejudice so many times in life that I couldn't even begin to count them. Regardless of what my family and I have accomplished in this country, to many people we are nothing more than wetbacks good for nothing besides mowing lawns. This is especially true in the good ole South were people are supposedly so friendly and hospitable.

Even at work where one would expect professionalism and some semblance of decorum, I have had to put up with wetback jokes and Colombian narco jokes. At my current job, I had to call a meeting of the executives and tell them in no uncertain terms that I was not going to put up with such shit and that I would sue the company and every one of them personally if I ever heard another joke of that nature. I am not a litigious person and prefer to handle my problems on a personal level. Otherwise, I would have brought more than one company to their knees as a result of this type of bullshit.

The fact is that as a caucasian person simply can't understand or appreciate what it is like to be a minority regardless of how many minorities they may know or what they have seen or heard.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:24:

CG, not to pick a nit, but non-afro or indio Colombians are also caucasian, as are Arabs, Turks and all sorts of other people who get singled out for racism.

I agree with you on the larger point that it's hard to understand racism unless one has experienced it first hand.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:27:

You're absolutely right MH. From what I remember from biology class, there are supposedly only three scientific race designations. I believe they were caucasoid, mongoloid and negroid. However, the common use of the word caucasian is usually to designate white or "ango-saxon". Of course, that definition is even more blurred as many Mediterranean ethnic groups such as Italian or Greek are often considered "white".

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lpdiver says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:29:

And Hispanic can be considered as a different race or simply an entnicity depending on which agency you are being catagorized by.

t

"cook some rice!"

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morphus says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:34:

It depends on where the caucasion lives. I remember they used to have "Kill Whiteboy Day" in the Bronx years ago :)

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toneloc24 says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:37:

For once, I have to agree with Simon.

Last week coming into Atlanta, we witnessed the complete change in demeanor from an ICE agent towards two passengers coming off the same plane. We watched it entirely. Made no sense at all, except..... My buddy ended up getting the secondary search (ICE agent discretion) after the interrogation by this chick. Oh yeah, my buddy has no record, and numerous passport stamps from working 10 yrs for an airline.

Then there's my past experience with ICE profiling me 14x in a row coming back into the country (USA) through Atlanta. Once, I had to call for a supervisor right in the customs area to formally complain about a particular agent. He went past professionalism and was downright insulting, then tried to drag people who I met on the plane into it. I called his ass out to the supervisor, pointed him out, had a couple of witnesses confirm it. He did get puled from his station. Not sure what happened to the bastard, but I'd had enough. Haven't seen him since. Good riddance!!!

I had to contact both of my senators to have some action done with ICE, since ICE wouldn't tell me what was on my record. A month later, I received correspondence from my senator's office and all was recitified. They haven't messed with me since. To this day, I have no idea what the issue was, except that it was all BS. I got some kind of record based on these ass clowns.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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gorgonabob says on Jun 2, 2008, 10:52:

Once, I, New Zealand citizen, went to the states for the tenth time in about five years,,, all visits off 1 week to a month from different places around the world to different cities in the States and on the tenth time arriving in DC transfering to Miami to visit my American brother in Key Largo I was interrogated by some huge women who didnt like the fact that i had a passport filled with 40 pages of stamps and had travelled around so much so heh presto she took my belt, shoelaces, handcuffed me and put me in the Arlington National Detention center for the night. The next day I was escorted onto a plane in handcuffs, by two agents in front of everyone, my passport handed to the pilot and kicked out of the country.. Go figure. That was in 2002. I got a ten year visa for the States finally last year in Bogota.

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bufalo says on Jun 2, 2008, 11:03:

In the 80's and 90's I always got pulled out of line when I got back to the states, not too many gringos going a lot to Colombia back then.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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slguy says on Jun 2, 2008, 11:06:

sorry, gorgona. I just don't buy that a kiwi got deported over passport stamp envy. gotta be a lot more to that story.;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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gorgonabob says on Jun 2, 2008, 11:24:

afraid not... there is no more to it. what can i say. id been a lot of times before and nothing had changed... i just got the lady on a bad day. i probably won't be able to convince you that thats it but well that was it..

last year i went to the US embassy in Bogota to get a ten year visa.. because after being thrown out of the country you need a visa...Needless to say the embassy people were quite confused by the whole situation.. a new zealander applying for a visa to enter the states when they dont need one. The first time i went they told me i did not need a visa and to just go to the states.. Then the funny thing is they rang me up a month before i was due to fly out and said you better get back to the embassy we've decided you do need a visa.. So i lined up again.. My name was the last called out pretty much and funnily enough i got the same guy at the window as i had six months back at which time he had told me i did not need a visa. When i got called back he said we're not sure what to do. He goes... i'm sorry it does'nt look to good for you.. i'm like whats the problem. He said there was an FBI report out on me. Im like well that aint going to say too much. He said well if you want to leave your passport here and pay the courier fee maybe youll get it if you dont well send it back. Thankgod i did get the visa a couple of weeks later.. The FBI just had a report that i had spent a night in jail with no charge clearly..

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gorgonabob says on Jun 2, 2008, 11:36:

and thats not mentioning the fact that my girlfriends got a problem with her fingerprints.. ie.. she does not have any.. that has caused quite a few problems on our visits to the states this year

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sanandressi says on Jun 2, 2008, 11:41:

Colombian Gringo, do you have a victim mentality? You had to call a meeting and threaten everyone with a lawsuit? So everyone there was a potential racist but you could never be a racist right?

So you can use your race to get what you want when you perceive any type of slant against your person?


This is called victim mentality and is why I will never vote for OBAMA. His IVY league educated wife has this attitude as does the Reverend Wright. Never will I vote for that attitude! We are all dealt a certain hand in life and you go from there. I have had lots of doors slammed in my face but alas at least I donn't pick cardboard out of the trash bins like the poor boys do a block from the US embassy in Bogota. I have no use for your political correctness Coolombian gringo and yeah you scared the daylights out of everybody with the lawsuit threat but you lowered yourself that day by generalizing against all present. Jolly good show and good day! I don't care about your perceived racism. Get over it already!

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 2, 2008, 11:50:

The very last thing I am is a "victim", The COO/President of the company had jokingly asked me to bring him back some good cocaine from Colombia on more than one occasion. Also, I had complained to several of the top executives on many occasions about racist jokes being told throughout the company by various employees. It is their legal responsibility to control these sorts of issues and they were not living up to that responsibility. Consequently, I was perfectly justified in calling this meeting. I simply was not going to put up with that shit any longer. I could have easily just filed a complaint with EEOC or simply filed a lawsuit without warning them. If anything, I took the high road in this situation.

I hardly consider that a victim mentality. I have never availed myself of any kind of affirmative action nor have I ever used my ethnicity to get some kind of advantage. Still, thanks for displaying your incredible level of ignorance.

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Simon says on Jun 2, 2008, 11:57:

"The COO/President of the company had jokingly asked me to bring him back some good cocaine from Colombia on more than one occasion."


I'm sure most Colombians who live abroad have had to put up with these kinds of ignorant comments. I know I have and I'm always ready to reply to them something like, "Can't you people just say no to drugs?" I'm not taking shit from anybody anymore!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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miamimike says on Jun 2, 2008, 12:08:

Simon, btw, what Miami neighborhood do you live in? Didn't catch it the other night,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Simon says on Jun 2, 2008, 12:12:

Kendall.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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toneloc24 says on Jun 2, 2008, 12:17:

Simon, CG - Some people will never get it....until it happens to them in Japan or China or Korea or someplace like that.

"Victim mentality???" Hilarious!!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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miamimike says on Jun 2, 2008, 12:26:

Rikito--just because your Documents (passport, visa)are all in order, in fact a US Immigration DOES have the power arbitrarily to turn a foreign pasenger away from our Country (airport,seaport, border crossing).One sharp Immigration officer in the Orlando Airport caught a Terrorist just in this manner, checking everything carefully but on his Gut Instinct he didn't allow the visitor into the US. Turned out he was an international terrorist on Interpol's list connected to the 9/11 Gang.. Visitors are under the mistaken impression a valid US Visa and Passport of their country guarantees them Admission into the US and this simply isn't true. It doesn't happen often a Visitor is turned back but on the gut instinct, it does happen. Justified at times and other times it is not. Humans do make errors after all! Ultimately, its an Immigration Officer's decision to admit or not admit you into the USA. Believe that is the way it is in other countries also. Last year in Miami, a Woman from South America, holding a valid Fiancee Visa, was turned back to her country, by Immigration, on the next flight. If I recall, she never did get into the USA.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 2, 2008, 13:51:

Simon. I thought you lived in Philly.

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Simon says on Jun 2, 2008, 13:56:

That was when I was Rocky. lol

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 2, 2008, 13:58:

Oh boy! Simon is displaying signs of multiple personality disorder. Ha Ha.

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bufalo says on Jun 2, 2008, 14:31:

Agreeing with CG, but I have to also say that I constantly get "gringo" remarks while down here in Colombia. Everywhere I lived in the world I was also treated with the "gringo" mentality. It's part of the way the world is. To a small degree I also see sanandressi's point, not being applied to anyone here, but one thing I do see in the states is the constant vicitm mentality. One thing I was glad not to have anymore when I left, and one thing I don't look forward to seeing when I go back.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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tomtom33 says on Jun 2, 2008, 14:57:

I am looking very forward to touching US soil again tomorrow after an 8-month absence. I love both countries. And there are things that I don't like about either. No place is perfect.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 2, 2008, 14:59:

Very true Tom. There are things that I love and hate about both countries. I certainly love Colombia and its people, but I gladly give credit to the US for its innumerable positive qualities.

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 2, 2008, 15:01:

I was going to add that I also love the USA.

Peter, For some reason, I clicked the edit button less than 10 seconds after submitting the original comment and i got a screen saying that I could not edit the comment any more. Now the edit link is gone completely.

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Simon says on Jun 2, 2008, 15:06:

"There are things that I love and hate about both countries. I certainly love Colombia and its people, but I gladly give credit to the US for its innumerable positive qualities."

Same here!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Mononoke28 says on Jun 2, 2008, 15:28:

CG,
I get the same thing, I go back sometimes and all I get is the "flag" option.

P.S.
Both countries rock.

Diana

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bradenmiami says on Jun 2, 2008, 17:01:

You TOTALLY must have had the same one as me in Miami from a few years back - wish I could remember the guy's name. EXACT same scenario, almost some of the same words! Always hoped I would run into him conveniently not hiding behind his desk and badge....fate didn't deal me a good one there though.

The "lovemedellin website" is a piece of crap made by some moron who has only been to Medellin once...you'd be better off reading the Lonely Planet advice from a guy who never even came here!

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beisbollover says on Jun 2, 2008, 20:02:

Back to the original first comment.....what a scumbag.

Let's all pray he gets his balls caught in weed whacker.

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lpdiver says on Jun 3, 2008, 04:57:

Hoping is not going to make it happen. I wonder if the OP ever called 1-800-323-8603 and registered a FORMAL complaint?

t

"cook some rice!"

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Rikito says on Jun 3, 2008, 07:32:

slguy, there is nothing in anything that buffalo wrote that said the visa was denied. I also have some doubts as to how much of what he said was manufactured to make a point. Too many holes in his story.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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Rikito says on Jun 3, 2008, 07:35:

AQgain, the immigration people can only deny a visa if there is something wrong with the documents that the individual presents. If the documents are in order and nothing negative has happened since they were approved for a visa Colombia, the immigration officials are required by law to let them in the country. Nothing less.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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lpdiver says on Jun 3, 2008, 08:17:

Rikito...

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

Passports, Visas and the I-94 Card

What is a visa?
Who needs a visa?
Is there a specific period of time for which a passport must be valid?
How does an individual obtain a visa for entry into the U.S.?
Does a visa guarantee entry into the U.S.?
What is an I-94 Card?
Does an individual need a new visa every time he or she travels outside of the U.S.?
How may an individual in a valid nonimmigrant status obtain or extend the validity of the visa in his or her passport?
What determines the length of validity of a visa?
What determines the length of validity of my stay in the U.S.?
If a visa has expired and an immigration status extension is in process, may an individual leave the country?
What happens if a valid visa is in an expired passport?
May an individual travel to the U.S. on a business trip while awaiting a USCIS approval notice for a visa that allows employment in the U.S.?
Q. What is a visa?

A. A visa is a permit to apply to enter the United States. Visas are different from "status," which is the length of time an individual may stay in the U.S. after admission. There are two types of visas, nonimmigrant and immigrant. The nonimmigrant visa is issued to individuals who intend to come into the U.S. for a temporary period of stay for a specific purpose. The immigrant visa is issued to individuals who intend to live and work permanently in the U.S. Such individuals obtain "green cards" after arrival and are called permanent residents.

Q. Who needs a visa?

A. Most individuals coming into the U.S. for a temporary period of stay must obtain a visa. There is an exception for individuals who are nationals of countries which are included in the Visa Waiver Program. Such nonimmigrants are not required to obtain a visa to apply to enter the U.S. as a visitor for business or pleasure (B-1 and/or B-2 visa categories), if they are staying for no more than 90 days. In addition, citizens of Canada do not generally require a nonimmigrant visa unless they are coming to the U.S. as a Treaty Trader or Treaty Investor.

Q. Is there a specific period of time for which a passport must be valid?

A. The length of the visa may be limited to the expiration date of the passport. In addition, U.S. immigration law requires that a foreign national’s passport be valid during all periods of time spent in the U.S., including the time during an extension of stay, so a person’s status may be limited to the validity of their passport.

Q. How does an individual obtain a visa for entry into the U.S.?

A. If an individual is planning to travel to the U.S., he or she (and family members) should apply for their nonimmigrant visa(s) at the nearest U.S. embassy or consular post. Prior to applying for the visa, the applicant must obtain the necessary supporting documentation, which may include notice of the approval of a nonimmigrant visa petition by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS).

Q. Does a visa guarantee entry into the U.S.?

A. No. A visa is issued to an individual by a consular officer outside of the U.S. Having a valid visa does not necessarily guarantee a smooth entry into the U.S. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has the authority to grant or deny admission to the U.S. In addition, CBP will determine how long an individual may remain in the U.S. This information is recorded on the I-94 card at the port of entry.


t

"cook some rice!"

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 3, 2008, 08:34:

Rikito, i beg to differ. Immigration officers can deny entry even if the visitor has a visa on the grounds of suspicion of drug trafficking, forced marriages or potential overstaying. If you apply for a visa to any country small print say visa on its own is not a guarantee that you will be allowed in the country

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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bradenmiami says on Jun 3, 2008, 08:57:

"Hoping is not going to make it happen. I wonder if the OP ever called 1-800-323-8603 and registered a FORMAL complaint?"

I thought about it, but knowing the internal workings of law enforcement agencies quite well has proven to me that a minor complaint about how you were treated, based on a he-said, she-said problem, will go N-O-W-H-E-R-E!

The "lovemedellin website" is a piece of crap made by some moron who has only been to Medellin once...you'd be better off reading the Lonely Planet advice from a guy who never even came here!

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toneloc24 says on Jun 3, 2008, 09:23:

""Hoping is not going to make it happen. I wonder if the OP ever called 1-800-323-8603 and registered a FORMAL complaint?"

I thought about it, but knowing the internal workings of law enforcement agencies quite well has proven to me that a minor complaint about how you were treated, based on a he-said, she-said problem, will go N-O-W-H-E-R-E!"

Constant victim mentality??? Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Some people would rather bitch and moan on a public forum, than take real action. It is, what it is.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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seabass says on Jun 3, 2008, 09:35:

Now I'm always ripping on MIA but I was there last month for the first time in about 2 1/2 years and I was pleasantly surprised. They did a great job with remodeling and now the place looks like a first rate airport. Nice, cool and comfortable. Everything seems more open with space to breath.
Feel sorry for the person that was ragged on but that a crapshoot. Sometimes it's a breeze other time a real hassle.
TIP: If you're a gringo ALWAYS pick a Latino officer to go thru at MIA. Chances are they only know about 5 words of English and they aren't about to try and converse and ask questions in a foreign language if they don't have to.

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slguy says on Jun 3, 2008, 09:37:

learn something today, rikito? ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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huskie says on Jun 3, 2008, 10:23:

Seabass says:

"TIP: If you're a gringo ALWAYS pick a Latino officer to go thru at MIA. Chances are they only know about 5 words of English and they aren't about to try and converse and ask questions in a foreign language if they don't have to."

The problem with that is: you don't pick them, they pick you!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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lpdiver says on Jun 3, 2008, 10:25:

I always choose my line.

Not that I have much of any rhyme or reason for my choices. Colombia did offer an express line for people travelling with small children.
t

"cook some rice!"

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 3, 2008, 10:26:

"The problem with that is: you don't pick them, they pick you!"

This is not the case at MIA, FLL or IAH. As with lp, I always choose my line for immigration.

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huskie says on Jun 3, 2008, 10:54:

if you are in line for US citizens they call as an agent becomes available. That is what I recall the last time I went through Miami, which was 2 years ago, At Dulles airport in DC it is the same, you are in the US Citizens line, and the next agent available is who you go with. Last time I was at Dulles...Nov 2007.
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 3, 2008, 11:12:

I have gone from BOG to MIA twice this year and I just picked the shortest US citizen line out of the ones available.

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huskie says on Jun 3, 2008, 11:27:

good for you
cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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ColombianoGringo says on Jun 3, 2008, 11:35:

Just correcting the outdated information you provided.

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Mononoke28 says on Jun 3, 2008, 13:12:

ColombianoGringo says on Jun 3, 2008, 11:12: flag
I have gone from BOG to MIA twice this year and I just picked the shortest US citizen line out of the ones available.


Ditto. I've done the same thing, even when I came with my husband after he received his CR1 visa in Bogotá. They were very, very nice to us and even spoke in Spanish to my hubby.

Diana

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bufalo says on Jun 3, 2008, 13:36:

I wrote that I was going to inquire when I get to Miami in 2 weeks. I am still in Colombia, so how much would that call cost me? Talking to someone in Miami will actually be a bit more personal (not that it will definitely help) and I'd have a name of someone in charge to give when I do call from the states. Also since it happened to my wife, it would be better for her to call or be with me if they have any questions. I can't tell them to wait until I speak to her again.

Rikkito - holes? so I guess you say I'm lying then??? I guess you misunderstood something and it was partly because I wasn't specific in the OP. It happened to my wife and daughter, I never said I was there. No way in hell I would have let some A-hole talk to my wife that way. Guess you missed it.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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seabass says on Jun 3, 2008, 13:38:

I was referring to that first wave of officers that look at your passport when you first get off the plane. There was some young black dude from San Salvador in front of me holding a Panamanian passport. Man, they grilled his ass with questions...poor modefoque.

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Lchiwawa says on Jun 3, 2008, 14:07:

when my sis was going back to the states the miami immigration folk had detained her for almost 3 hours because she looked a bit more chub on her resident card than she currently was and was accused of identity theft and a bunch of other crazyness.

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huskie says on Jun 4, 2008, 05:30:

I try to avoid Miami airport like the plague...
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

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Rikito says on Jun 4, 2008, 06:50:

Cerealkiller, where do you read anything that says, "Immigration officers can deny entry even if the visitor has a visa on the grounds of suspicion of drug trafficking, forced marriages or potential overstaying." Is slguy helping you make things up?

There are a lot of people who think that they know all of the answers because they read or heard something that someone else said. But, there must be more than suspicion. Immigration has the right (and obligation) to have suspicions, ask questions, interrogate, ask for proof, etc. But once again (and I am not going to keep on with this because the attention span is waning) they just can't say to someone, "Hey amigo, I suspect that you are a drug dealer and I am not going to allow you in the country." Do you realize how stupid that sounds? There must be more than suspicion and the immigrant has a right to be heard.

Suppose someone travels from 'BFE Anywhere' with the intent and approval by the U.S. Embassy to go to the U.S. and get an entry visa. This person has with him his wife and two children. He has paid a one way ticket for his family of $7,000. He also has with him all of his luggage. Now an immigration official says you can't come in because we have a suspicion. Based on what? The suspicion must be reliable and have a content of validity...and according to the Federal regulations. "more likely to be true than to not be true." Also, in such a case, if this were to happen one immigration person is not allowed to make that determination. The supervisor and several other people will be involved to make a final determination. A simple arbitrary action by one immigration official will not happen.

And who is going to pay the $7,000 for the return trip? The immigrants? No they have no money at present? Where do you keep them in the meantime…in jail? Can’t, they have not done anything criminal. It is not that easy.

The beginning of this thread indicated that one person is making an arbitrary decision, which is not true. Yes, they can deny entry, but as I said before there must be a valid reason and suspicion is not a valid reason no matter what you think.

Stop making things up to give some semblance of intelligence. Think this through and you will see that 1) things like this seldom, if ever, happen. 2) if it does happen, everything possible is done to validate the suspicion, and 3) a decision to deny is not made lightly. An in-depth investigation is made and the immigrant has a right to be heard.

There must be more that a simple suspicion.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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