Immigration Protesters

rocinante says on Jan 6, 2006, 09:36:

Thanks Cal I know exact the locations in Union City, Bergen and West New York. The word is already out in those communities.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Not that the US president actually runs the US." Feb 5, 2008

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ws244 says on Jan 6, 2006, 11:40:

immigration Yes Dobbs and Oreilly are Americans who see a responsibility by informing the majority of the American population what is really going on with the costs and realities of illegal immigration from all of these 3rd world third rate countries.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 6, 2006, 11:53:

Sorry to disappoint you, WS244, but my neighbors and I still do not report illegals to La Migra. They don't come here to kill or harm anyone, merely to work in jobs that no one else wants. I would gladly trade them, even up, for many native US citizens.

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sen says on Jan 6, 2006, 11:57:

Third Rate Immigration (?) If they are third rate immigrants, then why US Americans employ them? The answer: they are as good as any western worker.
Besides, one reason why people from 'Third World' countries are immigrating is because the western countries have destroyed their jobs by exporting dirt cheap products -- so cheap because of unfair subsidies.

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platano says on Jan 6, 2006, 12:05:

Triumphalist retort Third rate immigrants? No way! The USA is the best, man, and has better immigrants than anyplace in the world. I hope more come... the more the merrier. I love diversity. And I thank the immigrants for all they contribute to the USA... and I know many Colombians, and work with Colombians, who are excellent human beings who contribute to make the USA great.

plátano

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ws244 says on Jan 6, 2006, 12:20:

third world They work at jobs no one else wants because of the ultra liberal U.S. welfare system to her own citizens, and immigration laws unlike anywhere else in the world. Cananda is a first world country of 30 million people with free healthcare, education, etc etc and yet even the educated Canadians come here in droves out of disgust from the lack of their own governments responsibility to their own people. It is always amazing how transplanted foreigners come to the States to further their own benefit, yet expounding the greatness of their own inept countries and blaming Americans in the same sentence for all the ills of the world.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 6, 2006, 13:15:

You need to talk to more illegals, WS244. You will find that very few of them talk bad about the US. Instead they are grateful for the opportunities. I doubt you even know a single illegal.

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ws244 says on Jan 6, 2006, 13:44:

immigration My previous posting was speaking of the immigrants who legally immigrated to the States, as in the thousands of legal Canadian immigrants here who still expound the greatness of Canada's Social Democracy and immigration policies. Amazing they do not stay in Canada and help their own open door immigrant policies, particularly the educated immigrants who will do their Canadian counterparts job for much less. But no the Canadians bail and come here and do the same to the Americans, which is hippocritical like a double talking used car salesman.

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cali373 says on Jan 6, 2006, 14:01:

ws244 please show me where I ws244, I would respond but it would be off topic.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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ws244 says on Jan 6, 2006, 14:12:

Canadians There are thousands of Canadians who have immigrated to the States. One illustrious legal minded poster on the happy board board, a defender of social equality and justice for all whether here legally or not in the U.S, himself though legally also bailed out of Utopia Socialist Canada to live here. Look in Immigration statistics.

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albertacanada says on Jan 6, 2006, 14:32:

I am an American Indian ,Do all of you know what you are talking about when you look down upon immigrants.Do you think you have the right to judge anybody , ws244 where are your ancestors from ?

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albertacanada says on Jan 6, 2006, 14:44:

I live in Canada , I have dual citizenship , and I am planning a trip to Colombia . Why can't everyone just enjoy life ! LOL.

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quindioman says on Jan 6, 2006, 14:48:

es bueno ver my racista favorito todavia participando en el foro Colombiano....oiga viejo esque una hembra Canadiense le puso los cachos a ud o que viejo?
Por si acaso no te has enterado este lugar se llama "Colombia Guide" y no "Estoy-desilusionado-con-la-manada-de-extranjeros-que-vienen-a-mi-pais-para-quitarnos-el-trabajo-a-nosotros-los-duenos-de-la-tarjeta-verde-guide"

By the way albertacanada is interested in your ancestry....a topic not too far from your interests I would imagine.

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ws244 says on Jan 6, 2006, 16:11:

indians As a subject in history, Congress gave American Indians the right to vote for national elections in 1924.
No one is looking down on legal immigrants, but rather on illegal immigrants. Unfortuneately stories that the U.S economy would be decimated if illegal workers were not here, racism, anti immigration Americans etc, are used to justify this uncontrolled illegal immigration. Fortuneately as more americans are made aware of this travestry by the media, postive changes are in the making much to the sojourn to many, but not all of the minority population.

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Lucia Rojas says on Jan 6, 2006, 16:25:

ws244 jejeje You must be old right? really old. How old are you ?

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platano says on Jan 6, 2006, 16:25:

No one is looking down on legal immigrants ws244, did your family ancestors receive a legal authorization to immigrate to Canada? Or did they just arrive from someplace like France or England and start killing the people who lived there? You have a lot of nerve to be talking about "illegal immigrants" who, by the way, don't arrive to steal your land from you or kill you.

plátano

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poco says on Jan 6, 2006, 16:44:

Who cares I believe the people who depend upon the welfare system are irritated that someone is cutting into THEIR benefits and the rich who pay for the system believe they'll need to pay even more,,

Net result

No one is happy.

Except folks in Texas,, where most of the illegals live,, the possibility is down right scary thinking you may be REQUIRED to mow your own yard.

I for one am grateful they manage to sneak over. Best of all,, NOT ONE MEXICAN has placed a squeegee on my windshield and asked me to pay him for a window wash,,, Speculation,, but I'd bet the Mexicans are too busy working to stand on a corner with a bucket all day.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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ws244 says on Jan 6, 2006, 16:57:

immigrants Illegals or any others would usually be violating city codes and be arrested for washing windshields on public street corners. Until 45 years ago there was no welfare system in the U.S. It is amazing generation after generation of previous immigrants did not even know the word welfare, but rather did it on their own. Unlike today where 95% of the immigrants are from 3rd world countries who can not survive without welfare.

Well lets just let the FARC kick the 20% of the population out of Colombia who are Spanish, along with anyone who is not of indigenous population out of Bolivia now with its new President Morales, including all foreign investment, military aid etc and then Colombia and Bolivia can have the same Utopian Cuban society which many one this board are really preaching for the degenerate U.S. and other first world European countries.

Illegal immigrants have free medical, public schooling, free legal services, pay little if any tax except for sales taxes, and supported by the American taxpayer. Unlike the European immigrant the 3rd world immigrants think it is their legal right. After 200 years in their respective third world country these people never have been able to become a first world country or get their act together. But it is all the Europeans and Americans fault for their ineptness, just ask.

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platano says on Jan 6, 2006, 16:59:

Do illegal immigrants receive welfare? Talking USA here. Illegal immigrants contribute, but benefits to them are restricted. Even legal immigrants are restricted in what benefits they can receive. Yet they keep coming over the border to contribute, God bless them... I hope more and more arrive.

"The Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act of 1996 restricted benefits for illegal immigrants, raised the income requirements for those who sponsor immigrants and doubled the number of Border Patrol agents. The 1996 welfare reform law also excluded legal immigrants from many federal benefits, such as food stamps and Supplemental Security Income for the disabled."

SOURCE: Public Agenda

plátano

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Lucia Rojas says on Jan 6, 2006, 16:59:

So how old are you? Just curious...

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platano says on Jan 6, 2006, 17:24:

On their own? It has indeed been a long sojourn... "The generation of previous immigrants did not even know the word welfare, but rather did it on their own"

The generation of previous immigrants arrived to steal the land from the previous inhabitants. Much worse than welfare... they engaged in murder.

All my relations! Plátano X

plátano

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ws244 says on Jan 6, 2006, 17:35:

immigrants Yes Tinto, better vocabulary should have been used. I was thinking "dwelling people." etc. You know how us "old mullet gringos" think at times, Thankyou.

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poco says on Jan 6, 2006, 17:37:

Illegal aliens cost tax payers Welfare and Immigrants 1996 Reform (Ha)

Welfare does not need to mean Official Programs handing out Money. Welfare can also be a term used to define assistance from the government.

The facts are,, California costs attributed to illegal aliens,, 10 Billion,, Texas 12 Billion and there are many other states.

Basically,, if you need assistance,, you get it, plus the costs of education, law enforcement etc. all require MORE money for illegal aliens,, so,, someone, some where needs to pay more money or someone somewhere gets less.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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platano says on Jan 6, 2006, 17:54:

Illegal immigrants contribute to the economy... $14 billion+ "Pinpointing a monetary value for the net contribution of illegal immigrants -- that takes into account their contribution to the labor force as well as their impacts on schools, health care and criminal justice -- has proven difficult for economists and researchers.

The Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas has made an attempt, though. A 2000 study found that immigrants contributed about $14 billion annually, or 1.8 percent, to the $11 trillion U.S. gross domestic product."

That is the NET CONTRIBUTION... i.e. they give much more than they receive...

"Also, illegal immigrants are more fiscally beneficial to the economy than legal immigrants because they pay most of the same taxes and don't have access to as many public services. In addition, illegal immigrant labor keeps the costs of goods and services down, which benefits the consumer."

SOURCE: Immigrants fill critical niche, employers say // Brady McCombs and Donna Gray // Greeley Tribune and Post Independent Staff // December 26, 2005

plátano

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 6, 2006, 22:12:

The racist anti-immigrant crowd always says something along these lines: "Illegal immigrants have free medical, public schooling, free legal services, pay little if any tax except for sales taxes, and supported by the American taxpayer." If they purchase anything, they pay sales tax as well as specialized taxes such as gasoline taxes. If they rent, they pay rent to their landlords who use a portion of the rent collected to pay their property taxes. They pay Social Security as well as federal income taxes. How do I know this? My wife works with several illegals and they envied her ability to some day collect Social Security and to file an income tax return as a green card holder. They pay the same taxes and they'll never see a dime. Some day in the not-too-distant future states like Texas will be controlled by Latinos. I can't wait to see how that's going to turn out for old white men who can't speak Spanish.

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ws244 says on Jan 7, 2006, 15:07:

immigrants There is a great difference between legal and illegal. The previous posters wife is legal. Illegals do not file income taxes unless they have a social security number under false pretenses. In any case they are at the bottom of the wage scale and would pay little or no tax anyway. Texas does not have a state income tax. The bottom line is these people are here against the law. I get so tired of all the taxes illegals pay, and it is flatly just not true, an outright lie in comparison to services received, and another excuse to justify open borders. Anyone self employed or having a business knows full well how to skirt tax laws with illegals, and if it were not so easy then thousands of employers would not have them working for them. Unfortuneately anyone who smells of the anti immigration crowd is branded everthing in the book.

People who went through all the paperwork, INS interviews themselves, or to bring a spouse relative with all the time, energy, expense to come here legally, and then these same people turning right around, defending, encouraging everyone else to come illegally, no problem, bring them in no matter what the law is, well this kind of thinking is hippocritical and one should be ashamed of themselves.

In the end it is always the same, "just wait until the latinos out vote the racist anglos" who do not speak Spanish. If anglo, one is a racist, and one is non anglo, well any wording is justified.

let 10 million gringos go to Colombia or Mexicio and refuse to learn spanish, demand english be taught in schools, free education, medical, no cedula required, etc etc and then watch the real fireworks of life. Of course the bright side is with 10 million gringos in their respective countries, they would then end up as first world countries.

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albertacanada says on Jan 7, 2006, 15:43:

ws244 what is your country of origin ? (ancestry )

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Rubiazo says on Jan 7, 2006, 16:00:

If 10 million gringoes went to MEX even if they were offered special privledges, most of them would never last a month there! USA people born here have no idea how spoiled they are.

If anybody thinks the USA has an open border today, they are seriously ignorant of the present situation and current immigration policies. The US is one of the hardest nations in the world to get into, legally or illegally.

Frankly, I think most of the people coming are wasting their time, this country ain't what it used to be and is in severe danger of deteriorating even further!

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ws244 says on Jan 7, 2006, 16:05:

country of orgin South Texas and hope "Kinky Friedman" is elected next governor and throws the rascals out!!

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stanmoonie says on Jan 7, 2006, 16:08:

Lets correct this !! So what you are saying is since you are a american indian the rest of us have no right to say anything? Got news for you champ your ancestors came here at one time too.

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ws244 says on Jan 7, 2006, 16:25:

immigrants Yes terribly difficult for legal immigration, and an insult to the foreigners who are trying to come here legally, let alone even obtain a tourst visa.
How can one say the borders are not wide open. Any weekday i go to the ice house for lunch and a 100 mexicans pile off their contractors pickups and buy their lunch. Anyone wanting a Mexican for work just has to go to certain places in any city (south texas) and and can get as many as one wants.

There are millions of them here and finally the news media is bringing the truth out. Why not just do away with the INS laws completely.

The country is not what is used to be for obvious resons, but then we can not speak of that due to political correctness.

I disagree all americans are spoiled. This country would not have acquired the wealth it has without industrious Americans. And yes many segments of our population are hopeless. Anyone who was in the army surely is not. I have an apartment in Bogota and will retire there if i live long enough, and will not come back. i have my health insurance there now as personal health insurance is several hundred dollars a month here.

I think the American Indian immigrated here to South Texas via asia, Canada, Alaska etc.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 7, 2006, 16:54:

What part of this don't you understand WS244? Social Security and federal income tax are withheld from their paychecks! It doesn't matter if they are legal or illegal - it gets taken out the same. They don't have to file to pay taxes. In fact they can't file because they are illegal. As a result they cannot even get back what federal income taxes they do pay. Maybe you should talk to some illegals instead of just ranting and raving. You might find that their lives are extremely difficult.

South Texas must be an awful place for you to live what with all the illegals here and the predominance of Hispanics. Then you've got all this intermarriage and race-mixing going on. You must be beserk 24x7.

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ws244 says on Jan 7, 2006, 19:58:

immigration Employers issue w2's with an employees SS number etc and mailing address as required by the IRs. So the employer is either issuing W2's with real or bogus SS numbers, and with real or bogus mailing addresses.

So basically what one here is saying, these illegals have their taxes taken out, but do not bother to file an income tax return as required by law as they are illegal.

So a way around this is they fill out their W2 and declare they have 10 dependents, and accordingly then the employer takes little if any tax out of their paycheck, or their employer is really issuing them 1099's which in this case no taxes are deducted.

After all the paperwork, expense, and ones effort and experience in to bringing a foreign woman and kids to the States from Colombia by law legally, then on the other hand ridicule the same immigration laws and support illegals on the other at U.S. taxpayers expense is hippocritical to say the least. So some posters on this board Basically are saying it is a right for illegals to be here illegally and is a right to violate the laws of the IRS and U.S.

Anglos outnumber mexicans in texas by still a good percentage, and will for quite a few more years. As i am from south texas and other posters on this board are not, i am somewhat familiar with the Texas politics with anglos, mexicans,and illegals.

Some posters on this board, not all, particularly minorities themselves as classified under U.S law, have the same story accusing anglos of anti everything. So this is understood in layman's terms, their preposition is to bring in all the minorities no matter what the law says, so in the end anglos will eventually be outvoted and then there will be equality and social justive for all.
But wait a minute, Lets see these same people for a 100 years now still have not managed to get their own countries straightened out with no equality laws, tort laws, employment laws, or most any laws for that matter, however on the other hand they are rather good at in house terrorism and revolutions. But then that is the anglos fault also.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 7, 2006, 21:23:

I know your type, WS244. You guys used to run the show back in the day but your time is over. On your facts, you are wrong as usual. As of July 2004, Texas is 50.2% minority, in other words minorities are now the majority in Texas. Old white men like you are now the minority. Read it and weep: http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=TEXAS-HISPANICS-08-11-05&cat=HR

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ws244 says on Jan 8, 2006, 08:33:

minority That includes all the races, they are not all 50.2% mexican.

But then why not look at the history of the other 3rd world countries and ask oneself why they continue to be 3rd world countries today and not first world. There is not one south or central american country who is first world. Yes anglos run the show, which is why the U.S. is still first world as the European countries. But once again history and the truth is being ignored, and the anglo being attacked as usual. Kind of interesting when the mexicans take over, their history has shown in their own country they are inept politically, so what the preachers on this board are really saying once the mexicans out vote the anglos here, Texas will then follow in the glorius footsteps of equality and fairness as mexico and all the other central and south american countries now practice and enjoy. This is really really something for Americans to look foward to, another little Mexico or Colombia full of terrorists, revolutionaires, and corruption.

In any case the subject was illegals working here and people supporting them, and i am still waiting for an explation on how they are paying all these taxes to the govt, and to discount my proposition on how employers and employees of those employers are breaking the law.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 8, 2006, 08:46:

No, they're not all Hispanic. A majority of the state's residents will not be Latino until 2030. Right now Latinos are 34.6, Blacks are 11.3, Asians are 3.1, Native American are 0.3 and mixed are 0.9.

I know you don't know any illegals. If you did you'd know how the law is evaded. Now I'm not sure whether you know any Mexican-Americans here. Many of them vote Republican, listen to country music, like to hunt and fish and drive trucks. They're Texans first and foremost so I doubt we're going to end up like any other Latin-American country.

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ws244 says on Jan 8, 2006, 08:59:

illegals I know about this whole issue as i am from here. Just sorry to see another American who complied with the law, spent untold money, time and effort to bring in a Colombian family legally, and then turn around and support and welcome people coming here illegally. Since one supports this activity, then i suppose the plan might be to bring the other members of an extended Colombian family across the border and avoid all the legal hassels. Either eat the whole cake or not. It is hippocritical to have it both ways.

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kernow62 says on Jan 8, 2006, 09:43:

I know Uncle Sam is really not interested in stemming the tide of illegals. Why because they will issue a tax id card to anyone for a few dollars, that person (illegal) can now pay taxes and the US government doesn't have to pay out. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

There is also a way the US will collect taxes on marijuana you grow, by law you have to buy a tax stamp but it is illegal to grow, so again hypocrisy. I really don't see much difference between these examples and corruption. Perhaps with the exception that corruption often benefits those on the lower end of the scale of income, the crooked cop etc.

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ws244 says on Jan 8, 2006, 09:58:

uncle sam The politicians are buying votes, whether demo's or rep's which is why it is not being stemmed. These illegals pay little if any taxes, and surely for what they pay in taxes in no way equals the benefits they receive. Three families living in one house does not exactly equal paying their fair share of property and school taxes. In Texas food at the grocery store is not taxable, and the liability insurance for autos is a joke. They buy auto insurance for one month to license their car, etc, and then it is canceled for lack of payment. So much for the giving licenses so they can drive legally, just typical rhetoric to justify their existance here.

The drug problem will not change as the good guys are making just as much as the bad guys by keeping everyone employed in the legal system.

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miamimike says on Jan 8, 2006, 11:03:

"Now I'm not sure whether you know.. "Now I'm not sure whether you know any Mexican-Americans here. Many of them vote "Republican", listen to country music, like to"

UTC-you make an interesting point on how Mexicans vote; albeit a perplexing one also because if you review the Political Parties and which Party has done what for Latinos, it SURE isn't the Republicans. Name ONE piece of legislation Passed by a Republican President/congress that has benefitted a Working Class Latino?! Any good benefits(SS, Medicare, FDIC insurance protecting savings accounts up to $100,000, GI Bill for Veterans, Cuban Freedom Act of 1967) Latinos are reciving today are because of Laws passed by Democrats. The Mexicans are finding out presently by Bush's support of that Humongous fence the US plans to build south of the Border ...

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Lucia Rojas says on Jan 8, 2006, 11:06:

WS244 "Yes anglos run the show, which is why the U.S. is still first world as the European countries. But once again history and the truth is being ignored, and the anglo being attacked as usual."
Come on say "White", you are dying to say white, say it! European countries are not anglos.Only England, so come on say it. You are old and probably racist and texan conservative and it shows, clearly. And we all know it! jejeje but being old, just means being closer to the end. If you know what I mean?;)

Anyways, as UTC, none of that changes the reality of the 50.2% minorities are in texas, and the numbers will probably increase. The same way that he number of immigrants in Europe has increased ( nOt only latins of course). The reactions tend to be the same everywhere in the first world: turning towards the right, a lot of fear of these immigrants who come to take jobs or who "bring violence and crime" Wanting to close borders. etc. Just remeber that freak Le Pen in france who claims "France is for the French"

But it is a logical consequence of colonization and empires, you cant expect to go colonize entire regions, bring them your culture, or your language and not eventually wanting them to come to that country. Colombinas, in Spain, Algerians, tunisians etc in France. Indians and Africans in England, Latins to the US ( different kind of colonization and advantage of vicinity)... Anyways, I think numbers will keep increasing and younger generations are not closed off to interrelating, like the old geezers, so It wont be that bad.

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miamimike says on Jan 8, 2006, 11:31:

On illegals or Politically correct, "Out of Status" haha I see some of the results here in Miami Daily. Recent "Out of Status" major players include Luis Pasado Carilles(cuban terrorist), Reynaldo Rapola(Rapist of several Miami women), 1000s of daily "out of status" drivers on miami streets without Auto Insurance,(any idea WHO pays when they rearend U-look in your mirror). All the Additional costs for extra police overtime, lost work time for victims of these uninsured drivers--all picked up by John Q Public. 1000s more without Health Insurance. The public trust hospital here in Miami, Jackson Memorial, is clogged by uninsured illegals; a case in point on Jackson, a few years back a Honduran Cuban came to Jackson extremely ill and he was put in Intensive care for several months-due to his Diagnosis, he ultimetely died and we the taxpayers in Miami got stuck with his Bill--$2.6 Million USD(he was out of status when he died). All the Miami politicians, including Jeb Bush, who was instumental in helping him get his initial Visa, scattered when this bill came. We have, only a few blocks away from this Hospital, US Military Veterans, living in cardboard boxes under Interstate 95 who would be denied this same level of treatment at this same Hospital. Anyone see why more then just a few americans are anti-illegal immigrant?? I ask anyone, What is wrong with a country having Immigration laws? If our Laws in the USA continue to be unenforced, then in time, this country will slide into the same abyss that these same immigrants are attempting to escape from. We cannot accept the whole world! Our style of Government is construed around Laws and Democracy here functions(more or less) because we obey these laws. In the 90s we had a Governor in Florida with Cojones; he sued the Federal Government to reimburse Florida for $$$ to house and care for Illegals, Sadly our current Governor will not pursue this same course of action. The Math doesn't work here in the Miami Area, we end paying much more then any benefits received! These are but a few glaring examples, one would need lots of time to document the other shortcomings!

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miamimike says on Jan 8, 2006, 11:41:

No Tinto, These were Laws that part of Congressional Record and are available for anyone to review. One can see WHO signed the Bill and the date of Signing. Very Transparent. One can see FD Roosevelt passed SS, GI Bill for Veterans, FDIC Savings acct insurance, LBJ(johnson) signed the Cuban Freedom Act of 1967 which grants Fast Track Residency to Cubans immigrating here(Permenent residency in one year, one day)Also Johnson signed Medicare in Law. Please, major pieces of Legislation passed by the Party of George W. Bush that enabled poor/working class latinos to improve their situation here in the USA...

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ws244 says on Jan 8, 2006, 11:43:

white and immigration Most European countries are still by far a majority "white". Except for the Japanese all the first world countries are of Anglo European heritage. This is a historical fact and yet people never end their rhetoric and excuses to the contrary. It is also a historical fact no South or Cenral American country is a first world country. Most European countries now are beginning to see the results of wide open immigration and the problems and overwhelming costs associated with it, as people in the States are realizing.

Instead of chastising "supposedly all racist white anglos" why not chastise ones fellow south and central americans in ones own respective current or prior country for their lack of equal rights, tort laws, corruption, etc. But then we can blame the gringos for that also.

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cali373 says on Jan 10, 2006, 12:37:

poco Let us not also forget the amount of money a business owner gets to pocket when they do not have to pay the employment tax. due to hiring of illegal aliens. Yes that's right I said it, The MOST IMPORTANT LATENT FUNCTION OF why illegal immigration continues to flourish. That means less tax revenue for unjust wars, schools, law enforcement, the community.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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cali373 says on Jan 10, 2006, 12:41:

"why not chastise ones fellow south and central americans in ones own respective current or prior country for their lack of equal rights, tort laws, corruption, etc. But then we can blame the gringos for that also."

No and Yes, you need to start doing some historical reading, or go on a fact finding mission. Turn off the idiot box because that's what it's turning you into.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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cali373 says on Jan 10, 2006, 12:55:

miamimike you are summing up issues so complex in just a couple of paragraphs, that its makes you sound like you are full of it. For the most part I think you need to do more research. Illegal immigration is a national issue, not just a florida issue. I know that in NJ or NY that person that racked up a $2.6 Million hospital bill could have doen so whether they were legal or illegal. Which is ok with me because I support universal healthcare. Perhaps you should look into the racket that enables a charge of 2.6 million to ocurr, so they can bill it. OOOHHHHHHHHHH

Smile if you are a thinker!

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ws244 says on Jan 10, 2006, 13:55:

immigration Yes if the Spanish had not invaded Colombia and Mexico, these respective countries would be first class countries today, or the Portugese in brazil, etc, or so the blame sayers say.

So let us keep updated with President Morales as president of Bolivia, and Chavez of Colombia with their socialist and communist ideals and see how well they do.

Universal healthcare in both the U.K. and in Canada are in dire straits and going broke. When The U.K. National Health insurance came in to being it was designed for basic medical procedures and the elderly. It was never designed to have a 7 month old premature baby receive a new liver etc at hundreds of thousands of costs, etc etc.

Maybe someone on this board can comment on the wonderful National healthcare system that Cuba affords to all her citizens. After 47 years of Cuban utopian society i understand many Cuban ex-pats have been lined up to return to Cuba, but they do not qualify as they have met the Cuban educational requirements of the art of socialism.

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miamimike says on Jan 10, 2006, 19:07:

Cali, your'e entitled to your opinion.. and I win't make comments as to if you are full of it or not. Happens too often here and threads disinigrate here on PBH into name calling, if thats your bag-Hey go for it!
Full of it--Well, that's your opinion, I've worked in US Healthcare since 1987, private and government, so I'll trust what I've seen with my own two eyes in the past two decades. Thank You. More Research on what??? Anyone who has been in the USA for more then 5 minutes is aware of the fact that Immigration is a Nationwide issue, not only an issue in Florida so that's a Moot Point! No News there. I am not aware of what hospitals you use, but this Hospital I mentioned(jackson memorial in miami)would not permit an Immigrant or a US Citizen, desiring Surgery of a Transplant Nature to come in and run up a Bill of $2.6 Million unless, UNLESS, he/she had very extensive coverage with a private health insurance plan. And you would have a hefty deductable to pay in this day and age. Lacking really good Insurance, this hospital requires a Pre-Operation Deposit of $250,000 Up Front --Cash. Feel free to explore this fact should you desire as its public info. That is to prevent exactly what happened in the post of mine you responded to. A US Military Veteran, without fronting this Money, would simply be turned away.It happens frequently at this Hospital(and Cedars hospital also-across the street from Jackson) that wealthy foreigners come to these two hospitals for Operations-call it medical Tourism for the wealthy--and their Operations are paid up front with cash. The Racket that allowed this to occur started with 2 Cuban American Congressmen/women here in Miami, a Illeana Ross Lehten and Lincoln Diaz Balart--they started the scam and then got Jeb Bush Involved and it went to Wash, DC where the final approval came to issue a Visa to his Cuban who had stopped off in Honduras on his journey to Miami. When the Scam blew open, all the Miami Politicians and Jeb Bush scattered-no one wanted to accept respnsability for what happened or offend the Latino voters here in Miami. FYI,. Cuban/americans are a Super powerful Republican Voting Bloc..Who do you think put GW Bush in the white House??? Typical Vote Pandering Politicians. And we got stuck for $2.6 million-the working Miami Taxpayers. Research this whole matter more, --No really its not needed as I have a handle on what is going on with the Medical Scams and Health insurance scams. I could wrte a Book on Medicare Scams in the USA LOL

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