I'm Tired

paisa29 says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:19:

Yo estoy cansada de que algunas personas esclavistas piensen que dañan la cultura
si pagan un salario decente a sus empleados, seguramente estas personas considerarían un insulto si alguien les ofrece algo así.

Entonces no hagas a los demás lo que no quieres que te hagan a tí!

Monita.. es un foro sobre Colombia... no gringo.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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Bill Turley (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:24:

johnny2008 says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:26:

Y a mi me cansa leer palabras cuales de acuerdo con la real academia española no existan.

http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=exclavista

si quieren que hablemos el español, hay que liderar por ejemplo

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Gringo Spy says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:27:

Monita Linda: Since when the fok did you become a Mod and make new rules for PBH? Personally, I think it's people like you who are the fokin' problem with this site because you can only see one foking point of view and if it's different than yours you come off as though your shit don't stink. Well... believe me baby your shit stinks worse than anyone's on this site.

(Monita Linda's comments were deleted after I posted the above) I guess the real Mod's took offense the her comments as did I)

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Tejeringo says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:27:

each time I jump on this site , I type WWW.poorbut....

World
Wide
Web

so I guess writing in Spanish should be as valid as writing in English.

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paisa29 says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:28:

Bill con todo respeto.. tengo mis razones que son muy válidas para mí.

Peter recientemente agregó una herramienta de traducción que puede encontrarla en la parate de abajo de la página, espero que les sea de utilidad.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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johnny2008 says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:32:

What gives Bill? I think people should be encouraged to write threads in Spanish, even if it is quite crappy like mine. The mods speak Spanish don't they?

Anyone looking for info can always start their own thread in English if they want to

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:35:

uhmm we have the Spanish section but nobody use it

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vicshere says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:39:

yea write in english god dam it

listo

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kenblanquito says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:42:

Is this really a "Gringo Forum", or is that the intention? I would have thought that anybody would have been permitted to write here, Europeans, Gringos, Australasians and others who are holidaying/staying/residing here etc, in fact anyone with an interest in Colombia at all, including Colombians living abroad.
I find the comment of alex rios somewhat rediculous over which language we should use however. Both English and Spanish should be acceptable but surely for many newcomers or those with limited Spanish, it would not be very fair! He is forgetting that many people here are trying/have tried to communicate in Spanish in most everyday situations and this is a site where many of us can relax, not worry whether we should use the subjunctive or imperfect forms of the verbs and feel a bit free!
OK Alex, there are times that we criticize your country mainly because many of us come from a country with a "more advanced" infra-structure, which has benefits and down-sides too. You have to understand that, as a result, some of us extranjeros do blow a fuse from time to time and we often vent our frustrations here. It does not mean that we spend all the time bitching about it because we would not be here for long. You too, living abroad, would feel similar frustrations to us and wherever you went you would find something wrong.
A perfect country indeed does not exist, whether it be the politics, customs, people, attitudes, weather, food etc. However, whatever you think, most of us do enjoy Colombia and admire the people who have seen the country ripped to shreds by the many problems but still manage to remain positive and happy; grateful for what they have!
I can see the potential for this topic to get out of hand, moderators step in!

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paisa29 says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:44:

Ya corregí mi error ortográfico johnny, gracias a veces lo olvido.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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johnny2008 says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:45:

Quoting Kenblanquito

"A perfect country indeed does not exist, whether it be the politics, customs, people, attitudes, weather, food etc."

Yes such a country does exist. It is called Switzerland

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:47:

Anyone should be able to write in whatever language they want. Others are free to ignore posts that they don't understand. It would be silly to disallow Spanish posts on a forum about Colombia.

The site owner's nationality has little bearing on the issue of language. If we were to follow that logic, posts should be in Dutch, French or German since he is from Belgium.

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kenblanquito says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:48:

Perfect for one person may not be perfect for another! Their music is not exactly inspiring!
Good at tennis though!

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Darloup (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:48:

pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2008, 14:59:

paisa29 says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:00:

Estoy de acuerdo con algunas cosas, no todas las que dice Alex.

Ya lo he dicho antes, aquí se quejan por todo, que por las puertas de un banco, por la comida que no es propia de nuestro país, por el agua, el clima,los zapatos, las mújeres,
el sistema de Gobierno, de salud, hasta porque una es amable y trata de ayudarles se quejan.

Si vinieron aquí es porque la mayoría no estaba feliz en sus paises de origen, entonces si no pueden ser felices aquí dificilmente lo seran en algún otro sitio, el problema son ellos no Colombia.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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Tejeringo says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:04:

La culpa no es del Gringo sino del que lo hace Compadre.

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paisa29 says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:07:

Pedro... recibiste la información?

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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johnny2008 says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:08:

De acuerdo Paisa29, hay gente que viajan sin vivir y miran sin ver nada. Pero seguro que la mayoría de la gente de esta página saben que cada problema tiene dos beneficios. Soy Ingles, me gusta quejarme de vicio, pero entiendo perfectamente bien que los problemas de los demás son las oportunidades mías.

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johnny2008 says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:12:

Jesus I don't half ramble a load of crap in Spanish, that's what comes of learning by listening to Shakira

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:17:

paisa29 says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:18:

I think people should be encouraged to write threads in Spanish, even if it is quite crappy like mine


Estoy de acuerdo con johnny... por que ústedes no pueden intentar escribir en español ?como lo hacemos muchos Colombianos en inglés aunque no sea perfecto como el mio que apenas estoy tomando clases, pero lo intento.

Ya veo que muchos de ustedes lo hacen bien, sigan intentando entonces.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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paisa29 says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:26:

Algunas veces cuando visito barrios de estrato 1 y 2 que no tiene mucho dinero se ve en los rostros de la gente que son verdaderamente felices y no estan quejandose todo el tiempo, como lo hacen las personas que tienen mas recursos pero menos amor.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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badboy says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:31:

"our women drool over the sight of anything foreign thinking VISA" "We do not need you here"

lol this won't exactly discourage those who like your women. better to say the women don't like gringos. lol

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turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:33:

turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:33:

johnny2008 says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:33:

Ser feliz y no tener nada es la solución o el problema?

Los colombianos merecen algo mejor, sin quejarse no mejorará nada.

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romy says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:35:

yo no veo problemas con tener mente critica. quizas es debido a mi fundamentacion. soy Orgullosamente Colombiano y no me molesta si alguien critica a Colombia pues cada persona tiene su opinion. Si uno se esconde de las criticas queda uno muy mediocre. Mas me molesta son foristas aqui que son extremamente defensivos y pierden perspectiva en los asuntos.

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Philly says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:36:

I am not sure what this is all about. I have trouble understanding English on this site. What did Monita do?

my2cents

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webmanco says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:37:

Los ricos también lloran, los pobres también sonreimos.

I don`t mind people writing in English or Spanish, or pointing out not so good things about Colombia, just remember if in Colombia rains, elsewhere too.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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paisa29 says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:40:

aqui que son extremamente defensivos.

Puede que esa sea una caracteristica paisa, defender lo que amamos.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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Chriscan says on Nov 13, 2008, 15:40:

The internet is a sfe place to say the things that you would not say to somebody's face. It makes things pretty uncivalized in forums like this. It's good in a way as you tend to get the real goods but the negativity can be a little depressing.

There is a culture gap too between the whities and Colombians as well. The biggest block between our cultures is comedy. Gringos like sarcasm and Colombians like to say,"Hey, that's not fair, your ripping me off."

One thing I would like people to understand about me is that I tend to be drawn towards those with different opinions than my own. It makes for better conversation.

************* WARNING ************* my words often come from my ass. www.independentbanff.com

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romy says on Nov 13, 2008, 16:35:

las cosas buenas no necesitan mucha defensa, es mas si uno verdaderamente quiere algo uno lucha por que mejore y eso comienza con la critica.

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jay007 says on Nov 13, 2008, 17:29:

i understand where your coming from....but dont be to mean saying "speak spanish" i dont know how to.. ill trymy best so just give me credit...thanks

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jay007 says on Nov 13, 2008, 17:30:

as far as while im in colombia....on here i dont give a damn and will speak english...sorry

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jonas says on Nov 13, 2008, 17:45:

I am not a native English speaker. My English is not perfect, neither is my Spanish and I do make mistakes. But I put a lot of effort in avoiding them. But some of you guys, native American speakers mostly, write in English in a way that I feel sorry for the Colombians reading it because they must assume your spelling is correct. I think some of you should really turn on spelling-check or learn how to write.

Thank you.

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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jonas says on Nov 13, 2008, 19:34:

I am not criticizing how you speak. It´s the spelling, dude. I believe quite a few Colombians use the site to practice their English and they deserve better teachers. Have you not noticed the hundreds of typos in just about every thread? You have no reason to call me a racist. I have lived in the US for a long time and have nothing against its people.

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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vicshere says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:02:

like i said
Я думаю что кто-нибудь которое пишет в другом языке за исключением английской языка простый. Если вы хотите поговорить в испанском языке, пойдите к испанскому проденьте нитку ясно и просто. Другое получает с моей задней части
and i will say it again
Я думаю что кто-нибудь которое пишет в другом языке за исключением английской языка простый Если вы хотите поговорить в испанском языке,пойдите к испанскому проденьте нитку ясно и просто. Другое получает с моей задней части

listo

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:09:

pilas pues johny 2008,

estamos en colombia... no todas palabras estan de acuerdo con la real academia, ni en la calle ni en la literatura y prenza colombiana

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:12:

There's a massive difference between writing some random language than writing in the language of COLOMBIA.. Spanish.

It's especially hilarious how people who actually LIVE in Colombia detest the idea of trying to read written spanish.

To all the snobs: quit whining and learn the fricken language. English and Spanish are acceptable on this site.

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johnny2008 says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:20:

manINred.

Solo estaba bromeando por ganas de escribir algo. Pero tú tienes toda la razón, los colombianos tendrán que aprender el español también!

(bromeo otra vez, no quiero que paisa29 me golpees al levantarse por la mañana)

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:24:

What does that have to do with anything? Nothing. Anyway, in terms of foreign travel, which nationality visits Colombia more than any other? ECUADOR!

Which means based on number of people who visit Colombia, Ecuadorians would get the last laugh... Spanish.

So what criteria do we base the language of a site? If it is based on the native language of the site owner, since he is from belgium, I would assume flemish or french (fine by me).

Since there is a massive diversity of people on this site, to say that this site is
american is incorrect. Lots of people on this site understand spanish fluently, Lots of Colombians here who know a shitload about Colombia speak spanish and can express their thoughts about the country better in their native language. And many here can understand. If you post a question about Colombia in ENglish, you'll get an english response, but don't whine when the response is posted in spanish, the central language of Colombia.

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:29:

jaja, yo tambien johnny2008 sino que estaba feliz que habia otro ingles (gringo?) que no se emputo cuando vio espanol en un foro sobre colombia ;)

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:30:

To add , I don't think alex rios was saying that we should only speak spanish on this site, in which case he would be wrong, since it is unrealistic to expect everyone to understand.

However, it is realistic to expect one to learn the language of the country they live in, that's just simply logic! Perhaps that's what he is alluding to.

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:31:

but it's about colombia and has a large population of colombians and indeed latinos using the site, which is why it's bombastic/arrogant to expect it to be solely in english.

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:33:

but why do i argue? i learned awhile ago that most gringos are too lazy/mongolico to be able to learn another language, even one as simple as spanish.

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:35:

agreed, but why say that the site should be exclusively be in english? that simply is not the case, nor should it be. Just ignore the comments that are in spanish if you don't wanna read them.

The thing is, from my experience, the proportion of useful spanish comments on this site vastly outnumber the english ones, which is why it would not be a good thing to be exclusive. It's not like we see much spanish on here anyway.

It's the whining that gets me.

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:48:

codyintl, i was talking about comments like these:

"You are right Monita, this is a English Language forum. The topic of this forum is Colombia but the owner of the forum is from Belgium, certainly not Colombian. Paisa why not write in the language of this forum whicn is English."

"yea write in english god dam it"

If those don't preach the type of exclusivity that this travelling forum creator probably derides, I don't know what does.

For example, I'm a french dude, and I write a post that says "J'ai 18 ans et je veux aller au colombie..." and I don't know how to say it in english, I shouldn't be told that I can't say it on the basis that this forum is exclusively english (which as we see it's not). As you said, the "forum market" will determine whether his question gets answered. If it does, then great, he'll probably promote the use of the forum to his french friends. If his question doesn't get answered, then that sucks for him, but no need to give him bullshit because he doesn't write english.

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2008, 21:00:

Thanks Raulph Kramden...

Case

In

Point

:)

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Mongo says on Nov 13, 2008, 21:19:

Napaykullayki yacu allichu riti-orko yusulipayki mayu ari mana mikiuy. Imainata nincha chaita? Chaipa'g sutin'ha....ua'manta niway. Maik'ata'g?

"Here in Colombia, it's about adding life to your years, not years to your life." Brian Andrews

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Mongo says on Nov 13, 2008, 21:23:

That's Quichua. Its a language spoken in Colombia. Its been spoken there for much longer than Spanish ever was.

I'm sure Manlred can understand it just perfectly, since he's not lazy, like most Gringos. He learned a while ago:

"that most gringos are too lazy/mongolico to be able to learn another language, even one as simple as spanish."

"Here in Colombia, it's about adding life to your years, not years to your life." Brian Andrews

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johnny2008 says on Nov 13, 2008, 21:25:

Anyway back to the OP, do they realise that for every Londoner like me in Colombia that occasionally has the odd moan about stuff, that there are 20 Colombians back in London that make a fecking career out of moaning?

The transport is too expensive, Londoners aren't friendly enough, it ain't fair that their families cannot come and live with them. They moan they cannot get a job which is partly because they are there illegally and partly because they simply cannot be fucked to learn English. And if they do get a job they moan that they don't earn enough (partly because they are working illegally and oh yes, because they cannot be fucked to learn English)

They make no effort whatsoever to integrate themselves into British society, they have colonised Elephant and Castle and even built a frigging ministry of salsa. They live in Colombian households in colombian areas, speak spanish, do their shopping at las amazonas in old kent road, which is exactly the same as a bogota mini centro commercial.

Admittedly they don't moan about British food but that is because they don't eat it, they queue up at punto roja for empanadas and arepas, built right next to a bus lane for that authentic bogota diesel flavour.

So on reflection, I reckon Colombia does alright in terms of its visitors, we might grumble every once in a while but most of us openly declare a love and a passion for Colombia

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Mongo says on Nov 13, 2008, 21:27:

Or I could continue on in Hungarian, since its show-off time. How about Arabic?

This site is an English site. There is a Spanish section. Entiendas?

"Here in Colombia, it's about adding life to your years, not years to your life." Brian Andrews

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jonas says on Nov 13, 2008, 21:44:

codyintl says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:16 (today): flag

"I agree people in colombia should make an effort to learn the language.
The thing is........this isn't Colombia. This is a website of information for foreign
travel to Colombia. If you were in the US would you start speaking english to fellow
Colombians? Of course not, you would speak the language you share, doesn't matter
where you are. We gringos talk gringo to each other, and other gringos come here for
information (surprisingly). When I go buy my arepa I speak spanish."


Sir, I guess you have not seen the proper plasticas at Andino yet? It´s the most annoying thing when you see 4 plasticas Colombianas with their little Prada purses, having spent some time in their narco mansions in Coral Gables, talking Spanglish to each other. ;P Welcome to Zona Rosa or better: the Pink Zone.

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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el torcido says on Nov 13, 2008, 22:07:

"I'm tired?" I can relate.

don't know much about phlebotomy, nor astronomy, either.

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PBHjon says on Nov 13, 2008, 22:58:

i want to produce the first porn movie in quechua.

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TheYoungEngineer says on Nov 13, 2008, 23:50:

I know im going to get flamed for this. But as a white guy in the USA right now I feel like a minority. I dont get why everyone in other countries complains about gringos etc. America was built off immigrants, given enough time and everyone feels like they belong.

Here is my life at my (at a publicly funded American university)
Wake up in morning. Open door in dorm - coed. See majority of asians/blacks/latinas/germans/french/etc.
(I love this by the way)

Go to class - sit in class with 80% chinese/indian students.

Go to next class - sit in class with maybe 50% white students - the rest are asian/ from south america/ or europe.

Go to next class - its a computer engineering class - so its almost entirely indian/asian. oh and did I mention that there are absolutely no female students in this class :(

Walk around campus - hear languages I that are not English about 60% of the time.

As a white male with a great gpa - can't get a scholarship from the college.
Any woman/black/latino/a is almost guaranteed funding unless they fail....

Now I'm not saying that this is typical america - but it is where money is highly invested by the government.

After going to a top 10 engineering school all I can say is....
Send your daughters to engineering school - you will not have to pay a dime - your kids can probably free ride off other female starved engineering students doing their homework- and your kids will make more money than you out of school - profit....

And when I come to colombia I will be speaking Spanish AND ENGLISH. Somehow I just get this feeling that giving people there some free english lessons will make some friends. (And I really want to get my 3 semesters of spanish classes to a point where I actually feel very comfortable speaking spanish)

So let me speak what I want when I visit your country - In the USA we let you speak whatever you want, study what you want, and even help you out when you get sick, go to the hospital, or generally screw up.

What is the worst is people like you go to different countries and then think that your culture is the best and should be preserved. I see so many people who live in their non native country who refuse to immerse themselves into a different culture, and then moan about not fitting in. When in Rome do as the romans do! I'm not against keeping your culture - just if you go somewhere else - expect to fit in or get your rear handed to you on the way back to where you came.
I expect the same of myself whenever I travel somewhere else.

With all that said - can't we just all get rid of this I'm better than you attitude. Great! you speak a different language, but you are welcome to - enjoy it. If you need to open a bank account or do business - follow the accepted standard. Be it english in english countries - or spanish in spanish speaking countries. Big whoop. Otherwise who cares?

With that said - I detest prejudiced against foreigners anywhere. You dont know how many times I have had to listen to people who mistake me for a redneck or something and start moaning about other people coming to steal jobs - misuse government services - etc.

As long as people play by the rules - who cares?
If americans take away the beautiful colombian women - I say colombian men should improve their game.
If Latinos come to work in the states and take jobs away from americans - then americans should get better skills/work ethic.
If foreigners speak to you in something you dont understand and dont want to be helpful - tell them you dont understand - its just as an effective turn off as telling them to get lost.

Now I should stop ranting and go to sleep to live another happy day with all my fellow Ecuadorian/Argentinian/Colombian/Chinese/Indian/American Friends.

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PBHjon says on Nov 14, 2008, 01:04:

A lot of what you have said is true, and I agree with it. But when you make these silly "you people" posts that address some unspecified, unclarified group of people you are mad at, its hard not to sound a bit like a blowhard.

"What is the worst is people like you go to different countries and then think that your culture is the best and should be preserved."

How dare you say this! I'm even whiter than you are, and I don't think my culture is superior. Hell, I think my culture is humiliating me because it produced high school musical 3. You, sir, don't know me at all. It almost sounds like you aren't really talking to me..........

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webmanco says on Nov 14, 2008, 03:24:

I don´t care what language do people write in PBH. What sometimes bothers me is spanish speakers mixing our language with anglisims or words in English, like a fitness instructor from IDR (Instituto Distrital de Recreacion y Deporte) telling the kids,

hagan como el Teacher hace.

Most words using on a spanish conversation

ok
bye
e-mail
teacher

there are a few more I forgot

Sometimes the google toobar comes handy when you do not undestand a word, it works for me by giving me the translation of a word when I point the mouse over the word, I guess it would word the same for spanish words.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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sloopskipper says on Nov 14, 2008, 04:29:

That's Spanglish.

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manINred says on Nov 14, 2008, 05:24:

"That's Quichua. Its a language spoken in Colombia. Its been spoken there for much longer than Spanish ever was.

I'm sure Manlred can understand it just perfectly, since he's not lazy, like most Gringos. He learned a while ago:

"that most gringos are too lazy/mongolico to be able to learn another language, even one as simple as spanish."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Very amusing. My tongue was placed firmly in cheek as I wrote that, obviouly most clearly arent' the latter description.

In any case, my point still stands. Write in whatever language you choose. This is not an english exclusive site.

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webmanco says on Nov 14, 2008, 05:30:

There is not way words are easier to say from a foreing language into our own language. People using anglisims or any other kind of foreign words in an spanish conversation is because the believe it is cool, or want to "impress". capice :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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dwmte7 says on Nov 14, 2008, 05:30:

i guess i'm the low achiever in the class....i speak spanish fine. read and write? well that's another story. without excuse, been there twenty years and just haven't learned. sure, i can scribble my thoughts in spanish and read and 'basically' understand what's conveyed. but that is not a command of the written word, by any means. am i gonna go to class? hell no. do i feel the less? again, hell no. where i've spent much time in colombia...out back. so many of the gente can't read nor write as well. so? what to do. i'm not looking for a copy of the wsj or nyt...i can pick through el colombiano and pretty much understand all within.

for me, i'm fine as an illiterate. works for me. my wife assists me in times of importance, but those are few. i don't know a lot of colombian expats here in the u.s. who blow you away with their ability to read and write english. some never get outta their own cultural surrounds and really don't care. that's me, back home in colombia. i don't need to read and write fluently.

at my age, politically correct is just a comment, means nothing. i just enjoy my life, talk with my friends and family in spanish and life goes on. if someone posts in spanish here, i can pick through and understand the issue...that's enough.

as for the original poster, ruiz, i didn't get the feeling that he wanted folks to post in spanish here on site, rather while in 'life' in colombia. claro! i learned to communicate twenty years ago by NEVER seeking english speaking company. by emersing myself in the spanish environment, i slowly picked it up. now i don't have all the verb tenses down...;nor will i ever. folks understand me and i understand them.....what else do we need. i'm sure not gonna enter a pissing match with any of you, or for that matter, anyone else.

i worked in iran for 13 yrs...i spoke enough farsi to do my research, get around, get along and get by...was i gonna take classes...not on your life. the same in the north of switzerland where the speak romanche...even the swiss don't understand that. sooooooo?

just write in the idiom you can and enjoy this wonderful flemish site.

dwmte

dwmte

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webmanco says on Nov 14, 2008, 05:54:

I mean people whose first language is Spanish

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2008, 05:57:

vicshere says on Nov 13, 2008, 20:02: flag

like i said
Я думаю что кто-нибудь которое пишет в другом языке за исключением английской языка простый. Если вы хотите поговорить в испанском языке, пойдите к испанскому проденьте нитку ясно и просто. Другое получает с моей задней части
and i will say it again
Я думаю что кто-нибудь которое пишет в другом языке за исключением английской языка простый Если вы хотите поговорить в испанском языке,пойдите к испанскому проденьте нитку ясно и просто. Другое получает с моей задней части




I totally agree! :)

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jonas says on Nov 14, 2008, 06:17:

1. *Cheese*
The teacher told Pepito to use the word cheese in a sentence. Pepito replies: Maria likes me, but cheese fat.

2. *Mushroom*
When all my family get in the car, there's not mushroom.

3. *Shoulder*
My fren wanted 2 become a citizen but she didn't know how to read so I
shoulder.

4. * Texas *
My fren always Texas me when I'm not home wondering where I'm at!

5. *Herpes*
Me and my fren ordered pizza. I got mine piece and she got herpes.

6. *July*
Ju told me ju were going to tha store and July to me! Julyer!

7. *Rectum*
I had 2 cars but my wife rectum!

8. *Chicken*
I was going to go to the store with my wife but chicken go herself.

9. *Wheelchair*
We only have one enchalada left, but don't worry wheelchair!

10. *Chicken* *wing*
My wife plays the lottery so chicken wing.

11. *Harassment*
My wife caught me in bed with another women and I told her honey harassment
nothing to me.

12. *Bishop*
My wife fell down the stair so I had to pick the bishop.

13. *Body wash*
*I want to go to the club but no body wash my kids.

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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webmanco says on Nov 14, 2008, 06:38:

Kat1 you should not only agreed but add something. Now don´t go coping and pasting.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2008, 07:00:

Dybia beth vischere wedi deud ydy i mewn 'n bwysig , dybia ni pawb ddylu areithia spanish

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johnny2008 says on Nov 14, 2008, 07:05:

I knew it was only a matter of time before some welsh pitched up

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2008, 07:05:

I'm with you web. I can't stand Spanglish. Aside from certain technical terms, there are very few words that don't have proper Spanish equivalents. I was born in the US, lived here most of my life and went to American schools. If I can speak and write Spanish without resorting to anglicisms, there is no excuse for native Spanish speakers to use them when speaking Spanish. It is nothing short of pathetic. Sadly, I have noticed a steady deterioration of the once proper Colombian Spanish. Bastardized, mangled English words have gradually made their way into the common Spanish spoken in Colombia. It is quite sad to witness this. Personally, I refuse to take part. On the rare occasion, that I don't know the proper word in Spanish, I will ask for a translation rather than use an anglicism.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2008, 07:07:

johnny2008 says on Nov 14, 2008, 07:05 (today): flag

I knew it was only a matter of time before some welsh pitched up

jejeje johnny, well what can you expect Welsh husband, Welsh kids :P ......

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dwmte7 says on Nov 14, 2008, 07:58:

i dunno, kat.....i think that last part of vic's comment is pure bull shit.

"i Я думаю что кто-нибудь которое пишет в другом языке за исключением английской языка простый Если вы хотите поговорить в испанском языке,пойдите к испанскому проденьте нитку ясно и просто. Другое получает с моей задней части "

dwmte

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dwmte7 says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:00:

damn, CG....you make me wanna go hide my head....i think i'm gonna cry. please excuse me.

dwmte

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webmanco says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:05:

Here is the translation for those who looks had forgotten the real words in spanish


esta bien

Se usa en lugar de OK se demoran un poquito màs pero suena mucho mejor sobre todo cuando se les habla en Español.

Bye,
es mucho mejor decir hasta luego.

no se dice escuchen al teacher

escuchen al profesor

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:08:

Doug, You aren't a native Spanish speaker. I am referring to Colombians that would rather use an anglicism than a proper Spanish word. I can understand someone who is not a native speaker resorting to using them.

I grew up in a Spanish speaking household, so I am effectively a native speaker. In fact, we were not allowed to speak English at home whether we were in the US or Colombia.

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kenblanquito says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:10:

I very much liked the post of johnny 2008, which gives a very clear view of the manner in which the majority of Colombians live in London; I too lived in that city for a long time!
When I first met the lady who eventually became my wife, she too was totally submerged in the Colombian/Latin culture, numbering 50,000 people in South East London alone and did not really mix with any Brits other than the ones who spoke Spanish, a situation that she shared with many of her Latin friends.
She had originally come to England to learn English in order to enhance her computer-orientated career in Colombia! After having lived in that "bubble" for 3 years, she met me and my foreign language skills only included some long-lost French and a spattering of German; the fault of the secondary school education system in my era, therefore she started to speak in English for the first time. When I met some of her Colombian friends, they too started to use a little English and they realized that not all Brits are as bad as they had originally thought and I have over the course of 11 years become really quite friendly with some of them. My wife gradually met my Brit friends and she became aware that I was not the only half-decent Brit on the planet; this further encouraged her to pursue her studies of English and eventually she took a diploma in an arty subject in English, obtaining grades better than most of the Brits in the class. This gave her further confidence when conversing in English and she has now attained a good level. She managed to break out of her "Latin bubble" and gained a lot of respect from her country folk in London.
She loved London and England for what it was; great cultural things to do, great architecture, better and more fair distribution of education and health for all classes, the cosmopolitan nature of London where you could find any race, culture, food, music etc etc. She was not so impressed with the weather among other things but she did not complain, she made jokes about them; she obtained and absorbed all the best things from my culture. Many of her friends did not integrate in the manner in which she achieved and eleven years on, they continue to speak in their language, work long hours in poor quality employment, live in the poorest parts of South East London and cook their Colombian food without trying any other of the enormous variety available and they moan because they are home-sick. Their children are the ones that are benefiting from the situation; they are bilingual and speak better English than most of us here speak Spanish, possess English/Asian friends, enjoy the culture for all its deficiencies and are the envy of their parents. The parents remain in order to provide to their children the opportunities that they never had, for that they gain my respect but it does make me feel sad that they need to take such drastic action in so far as they need to suffer so! Children adapt, adults less so, just like us!
To regress to the original post-I'm Tired-the majority of the moaning/bickering is a result of not being able to express ourselves well in our "enforced" second/third language. We moan because there is often nobody else to moan to, so we vent our frustrations here. When I first arrived here three years ago, I would have moaned a lot here if I had known about this wonderful site. Instead, my wife received the lot, suffered from the resulting stress and she understood why because she had spent 11 years living in my culture and knew only too well the deficiencies of her system. Her response was to tell me to make more effort to learn the language and I would not feel so helpless if I knew what was going on! At first, I did not share her confidence but with time and effort on my part, she was right: I am better able to question things, moan at the people directly when they wind me up (particularly over poor time-keeping and poor quality workmanship) and I no longer cause unnecessary stress to the person that I love. It has not been easy but I have accepted that I now live in a different culture, things are very often done in a different manner to back home and the system here does at times feel a little disorderly but I have made a choice and I am the one that needs to adapt, not the locals. I now try to be positive about my new environment; if not, why am I here-I would be the fool!
Living outside of a culture which I have "enjoyed" for 50 years has not been easy and that is part of the problem. At times, I wish I had arrived earlier in my lifetime, when I would have been more adaptable to new things and my ability to learn another language to a decent level would have been easier. However, I do think about what my wife achieved in the UK when she was no "spring chicken" at the age of forty upon arrival and I gain much inspiration from that! OK, she may be a star, perhaps she is more open-minded and intelligent than me but it does prove that adaptation is possible and in my darker moments, I consider all that!
The original post effectively says "if you do not like what goes on here, go home". I find that a little unfair because I am sure that a reasonable percentage of the people on this site have not been here for long and are going through their "cultural adjustment" period. Perhaps the writer does not like foreigners being here at all but some of us may even be of some benefit to the country, whether it is because we carry out volunteer-work, improve the amount of foreign currency entering the country, provide income and employment to the service industries or perhaps give the locals a little insight to the fact that there are other aspects to the world other than the Latin American one. We learn from each other; that can only be a good thing especially if we are willing/able to give back what we receive in terms of cultural exchange. I personally have grown to love the people here, I have Colombian friends and political family with whom I am proud to say I treat like brothers (and the situation is often mutual) and I try to help people when I can, whether it be by providing free English classes to children whose parents cannot afford to pay for same or providing various types of support to
people in troubled times. Do you want me to "clear off"? We came here to be close to my wife's parents to provide support to them in their older age, as my parents are long gone!
Yes, there are times when I will have a moan, as I would if I was back home. Nothing is perfect and I know that only too well! Me, far from it but I try bloody hard to be better than I am!! A bit like my ability to speak Spanish! As for writing this lot in Spanish, sorry but it would take me 10 hours to make a post like this and I would worry about its quality even after all that. At my age, a second language uses too much energy! I just use it when I NEED to and willingly at that!
Hope all this makes some sort of sense.

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LilaM says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:15:

Kat have you ever played that game mixing words to make it hard to understand?.... For example:

Espetopoy mupuypi prepepaparapadapa paparapa lospo quinpicepe apañospo depe mipi hipijapa espetepe finpi depe sepemapanapa, vapamospo apa tepenerpe upunapa fipiespetapa enpe lapa finpicapa alpa repedepedorpo depe lapa pispicipinapa.

uh???

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:18:

My mom and her sisters sometimes like to talk like that. They think we can't understand them.

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LilaM says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:19:

well so CG you already know jajajaj

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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johnny2008 says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:20:

My girlfriend speaks like that when she is trying to speak properly
Bless her and her rubber faced Bogota accent

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jonas says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:25:

Lila, are we all invited? Let´s jump into that pool!

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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jonas says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:25:

kenblanquito: Great post, thanks for taking the time to write this!

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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turnmeon (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:28:

kenblanquito says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:36:

Cheers Jonas, a pleasure to share it with whoever can be bothered to read it. A true story at that!
I guessed from your past posts that you may, as you appear to be one of the more "thoughtful" members on this site who does not "trash" everything and you consider people's viewpoints and place sensible responses.

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LilaM says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:48:

Jonas the party is completely sold out, for sure the next one you are... And if is a pool one I can show you how a brick swims!!

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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LilaM says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:56:

Ken thanks very nice post...

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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TheYoungEngineer says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:56:

Oops sorry - It was late when I was writing that post. "You people" comments are bad - and a terrible argumentative tool. I should have said. Persons of external origin who place themselves in a different culture without bothering, trying or wanting to assimilate themselves in said culture.

Take Chicago for example. Go to Cicero - there is a lot of bilingual business' - with Polish and English.
Go to Chinatown - bilingual Chinese - English.
Go to the western suburbs - bilingual Spanish - English.
etc.....

With all that said there are plenty of really inflexible people in the US. In my experience from the south especially. I went to Tennessee and got my car keyed because it had plates from a northern state.
I've had people spit in my food because I don't have a southern accent in texas and was considered an outsider.
With all that said - most people are perfectly decent. But even in one country there is still a lot of prejudice against people from different parts.

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jonas says on Nov 14, 2008, 08:59:

LilaM I hope your daughter has the time of her life! I cross my fingers for you that the weather will be nice.

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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LilaM says on Nov 14, 2008, 09:15:

Thanks Jonas for sure she will!!!

"You may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you don´t try" B. Sills

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2008, 10:10:

jaja dwmte if you say so :)))



jaja Lila my sister and I use to speak like thatso nobody knew what were talking about, we trained ourself to do it really fast because people were catching on on thigs, jejej

felicitaciones para tu hija y que la pasen rico!!!

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La_Huella says on Nov 14, 2008, 10:19:

The thing is the US is not Colombia. Colombia has an official language. The US doesn´t.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 14, 2008, 10:22:

we only speak spanish at home...the mrs. is to damn stubborn to learn and use english...even after these twenty years. pity. it's hard on the youngest with her friends and difficult with our personal friends or other children. she has a gigantic invencible ego and we all pay for it.

dwmte

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Mongo says on Nov 14, 2008, 11:27:

TheYoungEngineer, now your trashing the South?

"With all that said there are plenty of really inflexible people in the US. In my experience from the south especially. I went to Tennessee and got my car keyed because it had plates from a northern state."

Are you sure that's why they keyed your car? That sounds like a load of BS to me.

"I've had people spit in my food because I don't have a southern accent in texas and was considered an outsider."

How do you know they spit in your food, did you see them? How do you know it was because you didn't have a southern accent? Maybe you were just an asshole. Again, it sounds like another load of BS.

You get on your high-horse and write that long post about how "politically correct" you are and then you start talking about how inferior the South is. I guess trashing the South is the only trashing, besides trashing religion, and George Bush, that is still deemed politically correct.

"Here in Colombia, it's about adding life to your years, not years to your life." Brian Andrews

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La_Huella says on Nov 14, 2008, 11:31:

PBH also does not have an official language.

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Mongo says on Nov 14, 2008, 11:36:

Koszonom szepen bolondos chavo. Buzmeg!

"Here in Colombia, it's about adding life to your years, not years to your life." Brian Andrews

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paisa29 says on Nov 14, 2008, 14:03:

hmmm estoy perdida, ya no sé por que lados va esta "discusión"

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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Mononoke28 says on Nov 14, 2008, 14:40:

Es que estas discusiones nunca llegan a nada y terminan hablando de pendejadas.

Diana

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dwmte7 says on Nov 14, 2008, 15:14:

just curious, alex....did you think in your original post you'ld start an idiom riot?

dwmte

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