illegal immigration by country of origin, or where they're all coming from...

Leeroy says on Aug 31, 2007, 19:17:

Illegal immigrants from Canada?

I never knew there were such a thing...

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bufalo says on Aug 31, 2007, 19:23:

I take it you're talking about illegal in the US?

I was actually amazed at how many illegals FROM the US that were living in Barcelona, Spain when we lived there. Plenty of people right out of college, young professionals, they went there and just stayed illegally. My wife and I would do it if not for our daughter.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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Leeroy says on Aug 31, 2007, 19:25:

I too met a fair deal of "illegal" Americans in Madrid.

I knew one pair of guys who worked walking people's dogs. Rich people, obviously. They got 10 euros an hour for it.

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famsearch says on Aug 31, 2007, 19:25:

yup, those are illegals in the u.s., and yup we get them from canada too... lol

dan

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Leeroy says on Aug 31, 2007, 19:27:

Are there illegal Americans in Canada too?

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bufalo says on Aug 31, 2007, 19:52:

Ok, quick nitpick comment that's really meant as a joke....

Canada is in America! America is a hemisphere, not a country.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2007, 20:15:

Famsearch, where did you get those figures from? Can you post the source? Reason being is that I'm a little dubious about the number of Mexican illegals. Somehow I think that the real number is higher.

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famsearch says on Aug 31, 2007, 20:28:

here's the source: www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf

dan

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2007, 20:36:

Ok, thanks Dan, but you did notice also that the report is dated 1996, compiled in 1994, using figures from 1992 didn't you?

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famsearch says on Aug 31, 2007, 21:25:

ok, here's more up to date info, from the same source:

as of 01/06:
mexico: 6570000
el salvador: 510000
guatamala: 430000
phillippines: 280000
honduras: 280000
india: 270000
korea: 250000
brazil: 210000
china: 190000
viet nam: 160000
all others: 2410000

An estimated 8.4 million of the total 11.6 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States in 2006 were from the North America region,
including Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central America (see Figure 2). The next leading regions of origin were Asia (1.4 million) and South America (970,000). The 2000 unauthorized
immigrant population was similar in region of origin composition.
Mexico continues to be the leading source of unauthorized immigration to the United States (see Table 3). The estimated unauthorized immigrant
population from Mexico increased from 4.7 million in 2000 to 6.6 million in January 2006. The annual average increase in Mexican unauthorized
immigration to the United States was 315,000 during the 2000-2006 period. The next leading source countries for unauthorized immigrants in 2006 were El Salvador (510,000), Guatemala (430,000), the Philippines (280,000) and Honduras (280,000).
The top ten countries of origin represented 79 percent of the unauthorized immigrant population
in 2006. Although immigration from
Mexico continues to dominate unauthorized population growth, the greatest percentage
increases during 2000-2006 were among
immigrants from India (125 percent), Brazil
(110 percent), and Honduras (75 percent).

dan

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Robert Jorge says on Aug 31, 2007, 21:28:

I have never heard of the "American Hemisphere." I thought "America" was a continent, or two, depending on the perspective. And, the world generally perceives the word "American" as meaning a person from the United States of America. At least the Colombians, Mexicans, Germans, English, Irish, Russian, Belarussian, Ukranian. Persian, Israeli, French, Latvian, Japanese, and Australian people that I have encountered. Many more, but those were the first I could think of.

2.7 million illegals de Mexico. Please. Maybe in Florida or California. Best estimates are now 12 million (low end) to upwards of 20 million. I would believe the higher.

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Robert Jorge says on Aug 31, 2007, 21:30:

Sorry, a mistake in my last post. The illegal, "12 -20 million" number, is total illegal immigrants - not just Mexicans. I apologize.

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2007, 21:32:

Thanks Dan, that one makes more sense.

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john_stark says on Aug 31, 2007, 22:14:

"2.7 million illegals de Mexico. Please. Maybe in Florida or California."

Florida? You've got to be kidding me. I'm betting that there are more Mexican illegals in Texas than any other state. I doubt Florida is even close.

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gold digger says on Aug 31, 2007, 22:36:

There are a lot of Mexicans here in FL. I didn't get a job once because I didn't speak Spanish.
America will always mean the the USA. We are the only country that uses "America" in it's name. You never heard of United America of Colombia or Peru America. Latinos hate it when we say we're from America for some reason. Get over it!

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scotty says on Aug 31, 2007, 22:41:

another useless report, out dated, etc, zzzzzzzz

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Robert Jorge says on Aug 31, 2007, 23:05:

JS, I am not putting Florida up against Texas. I was trying to be funny. And to make a point, that there are far more than 2.7 million illegal Mexicans in the US. I am sure Texas has the most, followed probably by California. But Florida has a shitload.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2007, 23:07:

LA has 2.7 mill by itself.

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john_stark says on Aug 31, 2007, 23:22:

Geez, dude, I know this is PBsH where the actual facts count for little but let's make an effort for once.

Florida's population of Mexicans is only 196,000 or only 7.1% of the total immigrant population of 2,767,000. Texas is way ahead with 1,452,000 Mexicans or 59.4% of the total immigrant population of 2,443,000. California takes the prize with 3,785,000 or 43.1% of their total immigrant population of 8,781,000.

I don't know why so many immigrants choose California because Californians absolutely hate Mexicans.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 31, 2007, 23:27:

Its the weather in CA, and no Cowboys.....=)

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 1, 2007, 00:08:

Well JS, I purposely was vague and tried to qualify what I said (or is it a disclaimer) by using the words, "I think", "probably", "trying"; and not using the words, "as a matter of fact", etc. And we ended up basically agreeing.

But, I am astounded how there can be an accurate count of illegals, ie: undocumented, under the radar so to speak, aliens. Every statistic is a best guess.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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RAAAY says on Sep 1, 2007, 00:23:

Illegals in the US....?
Unless you are Native American Indian.....................EVERYBODY else is illegal..............where's my f at #kin tomahawk..??

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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scotty says on Sep 1, 2007, 00:39:

so if the Indeans were here first and everybody that followed are illegals then why the hell are the mexicans claiming its their land?

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RAAAY says on Sep 1, 2007, 00:56:

Ahhhhhh.........Scotty..........thats a slightly different issue.............I'm not an expert on this.........and I'm to lubricated at the moment to do the whole google thing...........but..............the Native American Indians lived on the land north and East of where the Mexicans lived...............at the time Mexico streched much further north.........into what is now California and parts of other South western States...............so they have a justifable claim also...................I'm sure someone more knowledgeable ......and indeed more sober will correct me on this...........................

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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RAAAY says on Sep 1, 2007, 01:07:

.Scotty...................aside altogether from the merits of the whole immigration thing........I used to go out with a girl from Oklahoma.............part Cherokee...........stunning looks......ahhhhhh......but anyway...........very smart girl etc etc..............a phychistrist by profession...............f at #k....
her and her family laugh ( and not in a nice way ) at people discussing illegal immigration......

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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goin_south says on Sep 1, 2007, 02:38:

hey RAAAy, you callin me an 'ILLEGALE'???

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Miguel_Clavo says on Sep 1, 2007, 02:43:

WTF is a "Indean"????

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Miguel_Clavo says on Sep 1, 2007, 02:45:

hate to burst everyones bubble, but stop watching cartoons, Jerry Springer, Survivor, and American Idol and broaden your horizons.....the "native American Indian" was not the first person on the continent.......

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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miamimike says on Sep 1, 2007, 03:29:

I worked at the Krome Detention Center in Miami for a better part of the 90s-I said here a few times unless one worked there in Immigration, you would be really surprised how many Canadians were Detained and eventually deported home. We had a fair share of Brits also. With the Exception of the Haitians(who almost always came by old unsafe boats)the Cubans who arrived via Fast Boats or from third countries in planes, the Central americans and Mexicans who crossed thru Ca, Az, Texas by foot and then made it to florida by Car or bus, the Rest of the Illegals simply overstayed their Tourist Visas. The US Government really needs to work upgrading US Tourist Visas with a smart Chip and Biometrics, a "Chipped" Visa could alert Immigration when the Visa Expired and whrther or not the Visitor absconded and stayed in the USA or if in fact they went home. That is a glaring deficiency in our Visa(tourisat) program and needs immediate attention.

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Leeroy says on Sep 1, 2007, 08:36:

I know they were illegal because they told me!

They came on tourist visas and overstayed them - so technically they are "illegal". It would be wrong, though, to categorise them in the same way as a mexican who risked a border crossing into the US - the contexts are indeed very different.

Nonetheless it highlights another facet of the "illegal immigration" issue - not all are illegal immigrants are dirt poor brown-skinned people seeking a better life in a country with better economic opportunities.

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 1, 2007, 10:14:

So as a US citizen, one needs to apply for and receive a tourist visa to Spain?

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Leeroy says on Sep 1, 2007, 10:15:

Either that, or they are issued a tourist visa on arrival.

Not sure which.

It is very difficult for a US citizen to get a work/residence visa anywhere in Europe.

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 1, 2007, 10:28:

Just did a quick search ... A US citizen doesn't need anything more than a passport to enter Spain, and stay up to 90 days. There are several visa options for a stay longer than 90. The requirements are pretty "normal" and straight forward. It actually looks like less hassle to study in Spain, than it does in Colombia. And in Spain, they will even tolerate the person on the student visa working, "as long as that doesn't interfer with their studies."

So, I guess there probably are lots of illegal immigrants, including US citizens in Spain. But at least for the US citizens, it appears that they are just lazy if they let their 90 days entry permit expire without getting a visa.

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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Leeroy says on Sep 1, 2007, 10:33:

Probably true - I wonder what the "punishment" is for leaving Spain when it becomes apparent that they have overstayed their visa? Probably not much.

In any case, the Spanish authorities are more concerned about African illegal immigrants than US ones - perhaps rightly so.

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static says on Sep 1, 2007, 16:11:

Overstaying the tourist visa in Europe is a common question, and the response is that the authorities don't want to know about it unless one is creating a problem. If you do, you can be deported and then banned from ever visiting any of the Schengen countries in the future.

On a side note, I take issue with the above statement from John Stark: "I don't know why so many immigrants choose California because Californians absolutely hate Mexicans."

As a lifelong resident of California, I have never heard this before. Nobody that I know thinks that is a good idea to put much stock into the opinions of persons who would hate other people because of their race, creed, color, religion or nationality.

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RAAAY says on Sep 1, 2007, 17:00:

Static............it's not for me to speak for J Stark....................his thought may be based on the fact that there are more Mexican people in California than any other ethnic group........
California passed Prop 187 by almost 60% of the voters.........this law,as I'm sure you are aware, went into effect immediately, although later thrown out by the courts, had so many anti immigrant provisions, including....but not limited to.........preventing access to public education....health care and social services..........
Apart alltogether from the provisions of the law................the tone of the campaign in support of the proposition was very nasty at times ........certainly leaving any outside observer with no doubt as to how many Californians feel about the Mexicans living among them ...........

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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john_stark says on Sep 1, 2007, 17:02:

Californians have a notorious hatred for Mexicans. It was they who came up with the infamous Proposition 187 which was later ruled unconstitutional.

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Atrevido (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 1, 2007, 18:14:

goin_south says on Sep 1, 2007, 21:00:

Imagina: swimming across the St.Lawrence River! burrrrh.

john_stark, about Californians notorious hate for Mexicans and Proposition 187.... I'm jus guessing, but not so sure you can 'blame that on the people of California', rather than jus a small faction lobbying for cause, as is so freakin common in the usa. Small powerful groups (those with the money!) can get passed in the usa, what they want.

I grew up in California...and there weren't so many mexicans there then (they stayed in Chula Vista...lol) but, I tend to agree with STATIC... that Californians are a more opened-minded people with their outlooks on life, than most of the rest of those in the USA.

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mranderson says on Sep 2, 2007, 09:09:

How do you count illegals? I never quite understood that. If I was an illegal I would hope that I wouldn't be counted.

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john_stark says on Sep 2, 2007, 09:13:

I disagree totally. Californians have been some of the most intolerant people that I've ever met. Both Texas and California have a 36% Hispanic population yet 42% of the total Latino political office holders are in Texas, an amount which dwarfs that of California. California politics have traditionally been very divisive. LA is proud of having a Latino mayor now but San Antonio had a Latino mayor over twenty years ago.

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bufalo says on Sep 3, 2007, 06:15:

I have to agree with RAAAY on this one. Most of the people in the USA (United States OF, that would be "of" as in a part of something bigger, America) are decendents of illegals, noone in the Pinta had a visa from what I can figure.

Just because people say americans are people from the US , doesn't mean it's right. wasn't the world once flat according to everyone? I understand what everyone is saying, but in a technical (and friendly) way, just pointing something out. People from the US (I included) tend to overstep our bondaries, this is one example. The US is only a country, not half the globe.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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goin_south says on Sep 3, 2007, 06:36:

doesn't mean it's right. but, it just IS.
It's just the way IT IS.

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vicshere says on Sep 3, 2007, 07:30:

actually as a Canadian I worked in the US some years back (1991 1997) illegally....I was working as construction manager....they finally got me going home for a trip in 1996 and my days where numbered ...I was flagged and never tried going back again

listo

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bufalo says on Sep 3, 2007, 08:40:

Damn you vicshere! you and your illegal cronies....can't you talk to them and tellthem all to stop taking away our jobs! (Oh wait, I don't live there anymore). Wow, you were flagged pre 9/11. They didn't even check my passport before then.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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vicshere says on Sep 3, 2007, 08:47:

well I was driving across at the time they asked some stupid questions which I didn't have any good answers to which I don't remember any more...they must have flagged me...cause the border agent told me that I have better stop coming down there to take US jobs away from their citizens..... then I started to fly but eventually the company went tits up in 1997....I could have probably contained ...but then got a job in my own country

listo

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bufalo says on Sep 3, 2007, 10:00:

Better off, look where you are now (if I remember right you have the hostel in Medellin?)

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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vicshere says on Sep 3, 2007, 10:04:

me no hostel i live in B/manga

listo

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bufalo says on Sep 3, 2007, 12:09:

oops, but you have a hostel? or adventure travel or something like that? not trying to get info, just thought I saw that on lhere

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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bufalo says on Sep 3, 2007, 19:34:

I imagine Gloria Estefan and the rest of the Miami Cubans are going to buy up half the island once Fidel goes...sucks....hello McDonald's, etc.

I only had a cuban sandwich once it cuba - horrible, I prefer the ones in the US or here in colombia, cuban sandwiches that is.

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gringolondinense says on Sep 11, 2007, 03:53:

One time I worked illegally in Canada of all places for about a month, on a building site. I never got paid though..it was so cold, I left before pay day.

I ended up wearing all of my clothes to work because it was that cold. They stunk, but there was no time to wash and dry them, so I kept wearing them.

To be honest, those eskimo guys working there were far stronger than I was and could lift twice the amount of plaster board up the stairs.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Sep 11, 2007, 10:17:

John Stark/UTC, you're totally full of mierda on the "Californians hate Mexicans" thing. There's 40 MILLION Californians. Pretty hard to speak for all of them. And if they, as a group, hate Mexicans, that doesn't go a long way toward explaining all the Mexican-American culture and traditions thriving in California.

You sound like a sour grapes TExan.

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RAAAY says on Sep 11, 2007, 11:26:

Hollywood...........it's not for me to speak for J Stark....................his thought may be based on the fact that there are more Mexican people in California than any other ethnic group........
California passed Prop 187 by almost 60% of the voters.........this law,as I'm sure you are aware, went into effect immediately, although later thrown out by the courts, had so many anti immigrant provisions, including....but not limited to.........preventing access to public education....health care and social services..........
Apart alltogether from the provisions of the law................the tone of the campaign in support of the proposition was very nasty at times ........certainly leaving any outside observer with no doubt as to how many Californians feel about the Mexicans living among them ...........

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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john_stark says on Sep 11, 2007, 22:00:

The only part I can't figure out is why there are so many Mexicans in California. I guess it's where the money is but it's gotta be rough being a Latino there. I know a few guys who went out there. When they came back they literally stopped the truck at the Texas line, got out and kissed the ground. Yep, they sure were glad to be back in Mexico, oops, I mean Texas.

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goin_south says on Sep 11, 2007, 22:15:

yep, I gotta agree. All the mexicans I know are quite comfortable in Texas. Yet, they all talk of 'going back home', eventually. jjjejee... maybe it's a metaphor

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RAAAY says on Sep 11, 2007, 22:59:

john_stark says on Tuesday September 11th, 2007 22:00:

..".The only part I can't figure out is why there are so many Mexicans in California."



J S .....take a quick look at an atlas or a map...........that should give you a hint.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Pixiesuperfly says on Sep 14, 2007, 13:20:

Ok i signed up for this forum just so i can say what an ignorant statement "all Californians hate Mexicans." Thats like saying all Germans hate jews or all white people hate black people. California used to be Mexico and as such it has a long standing cultural heritage there. Mexicans are integrated into society probably more than any other immigrant group in California. Ever heard of La Raza? Mecha?? There are countless non-profit organizations designed to help these groups, they are indeed allowed to attend schools and there are educational support systems for learning English (though admittedly not enough). And yeah prop 187 was a horrible law that was passed and then over turned. It isnt a great moment in California history but it was also supported by conservative rich assholes that want their Mexican maid to work harder for less pay (Im sure they also live in Texas). But as a Texan, George Bush puts an ugly stain on your state's history. So forgive and forget brother. Lets not make oversimplified generalizations of things we have no first hand experience with, okay.

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john_stark says on Sep 14, 2007, 23:29:

Unfortunately I have first hand experience and as far as I am concerned California is a boiling cauldron of hatred. Every group seems to hate every other group. Kinda reminds me of PBH actually.

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lpdiver says on Sep 27, 2007, 06:06:

Gold digger...."We are the only country that uses "America" in it's name. You never heard of United America of Colombia or Peru America. " WRONG...they were referring to themselves as "The United States of America several hundred years ago. It is even on some of their money.

t

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gold digger says on Sep 27, 2007, 22:28:

Ipdiver.. Who are you talking about? I like learning about history. It seems the United States was "Columbia" at one time.

From Wikipedia:
Common abbreviations of the United States of America include the United States, the U.S., and the U.S.A. Colloquial names for the country include the common America as well as the States. The term Americas, for the lands of the western hemisphere, was coined in the early sixteenth century after Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian explorer and cartographer. The full name of the country was first used officially in the Declaration of Independence, which was the "unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America" adopted by the "Representatives of the united States of America" on July 4, 1776.[9] The current name was finalized on November 15, 1777, when the Second Continental Congress adopted the Articles of Confederation, the first of which states, "The Stile of this Confederacy shall be 'The United States of America.'" Columbia, a once popular name for the Americas and the United States, was derived from Christopher Columbus. It appears in the name District of Columbia. A female personification of Columbia appears on some official documents, including certain prints of U.S. currency.

The standard way to refer to a citizen of the United States is as an American. Though United States is the formal adjective, American and U.S. are the most common adjectives used to refer to the country ("American values," "U.S. forces"). American is rarely used in English to refer to people not connected to the United States.

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lpdiver says on Oct 1, 2007, 22:38:

Gold digger I cannot recall. I looked at a lot of numismatic collections or it may have been at the museo in Bogota...but I distinctly recall seeing Estados Unidos on I want to think some metal money but it may have been paper currency. I want to think it was at the museo near the candaleria in Bogota.

t

"cook some rice!"

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