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If anyone asks where I am, I'm having coffee with Don Gringo.

I would never normally associate myself with people who think developing countries are nothing more than their sexual playground.

This is the attitude of men and women around the world who leverage their relative wealth - or perception of it - to get some sort of sexual dividend. They are sex tourists who share this reasoning with other kinds of sex-tourists that enage in illegal activities. While the two types of sex tourists are not the same, they are nonetheless sharing (in part) a reasoning and a mentality, and are thus morally wrong. It causes social harm, damages economic development, and feeds into an evil system which abuses large numbers of Colombian women and children.

I love Colombia. My life here is hard work. I work hard, and I don't mix with foreigners. You guys have made me realise what a great idea it is to continue.

This site is NOT for sex-tourists to compare notes, so I objected, with the reasoning shown above. I have always stuck to this reasoning (as explained above) I have not deviated from it or changed it. As it was in the begining, so it is now.

At no point did I call anyone a paedophile, nor imply that "all" foreign men are evil. I asked about the size of someone's body parts to illustrate a point about offensive references he was making. He got offended. Good. I hope he realises how offensive he has been.

At no point did I espouse or quote leftist or feminist ideology. In fact, I said the opposite. At no point did I say I disapproved of cross cultural dating, marriage or children. In fact I said the opposite. The words you use have ordinary meanings. You can't just apply labels without backing it up, and certainly not to avoid tackling the issue to hand.

What was especially interesting was the level and bitterness and lack of logic - and yes - the emotion in the attacks - and several men came out at I once. Attacks were often made centering on the fact I was a woman, and ignoring the substance of what I had said. Pod and Rubito at least were logical once they had got past their initial (wrong) assumptions, and I offered the olive branch to them, though I doubt we will ever agree, I had hoped that we could find common ground because in spite of our differences I can see they are men of reason.

As for the rest of you. Well. I must really have got under your skin, right. How dare anyone - least of all a girl - challange your motivations?

So, lets call her feminazi, a leftist, imply she is a whore, bitter, fat, jealous - damn, she's pre-empted the lesbian and bra burner labels - repeat the other ones, and repeat them louder. Anything, anything to avoid answering her questions or dealing with her points. The only thing you were right about is that, yes. I am a bitch: but I only at unreasonable bullies and sex-tourists. Otherwise, I am a real sweetheart.

Now, I have a great life here - simple, but great. But life for me is very different from you. Traveling as a solo female and working in the communities I work means that there are no parties, no clubbing, security rules preempt much travel, so what I just hard work, my studies, my freedom of thought, my poetry, my songs, the music, the family and community in Barranquilla I belong to, a glorious country, and a glorious sky. But I knew this before I came here. I am not a tourist - of any kind. I will not talk about my work or about my research here. You cannot be trusted with even getting simple terms right. You are only interest in living silly lives with as little accountability as possible. I can only speak of my experiences, good or bad, and my impressions of this place, and I can't write about all of them, the main one being of course, that you will abuse me or accuse me if I do.

I'd like to point out that any accusation of belonging to political extremes for me, could have ramifications for those I work with, not to mention myself, and so for my own safety, and those around me, I am bowing out. You didn't win, but I have othe r considerations. Colombia is not an escape for me you see. Its real.

I'll post photos of my journey here when I am done, but you can be sure boys, that I won't trouble your delicate sensibilities for while.

I need to rest. I am after all, only one woman. You are a gang.

By all means, continue, but without me.

But I am still right:

Colombia no existe para servir tu placer.

By CaritadeAngel on May 23, 2007, 23:26 in Friendly Talkzone.

chrispej says on May 24, 2007, 00:33:

Girl... Find someone to love....OK?

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morphus says on May 24, 2007, 01:17:

. "Colombia no existe para servir tu placer"

Ha ha, so what are we suppose to do, go there to be miserable? Only Colombians are allowed to have fun? Its sounds you are going to Colombia for some kind of self-gratification yourself. Whats with this "research" and "working in the communities" you are doing? Thats an obvious sign that you think you are superior to the Colombian people and you think they need you to show them what to do.

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lochdhu says on May 24, 2007, 01:20:

Gesh CA, seems like every thread I look in, there you are ranting and raving, finding your posts and rants are becoming quite redundant, Don't you have a job or a life? and can we get back on the wonderful subject of Colombia and the things that make it so beautiful? or better yet go start your own site.

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tomtom33 says on May 24, 2007, 01:23:

Try writing less. It can say more.

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goin_south says on May 24, 2007, 01:24:

DG was quite narcisstic; and, you're wondering why "she's having coffee with himself"??? lol
And, only DG could/would carry on as CA has.
And, can't stop.
Helpless.
Hopeless.
At least as a woman.

I thought (s)he was pretty good, as GIB.

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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goin_south says on May 24, 2007, 01:28:

C there; Confuscious (tomtom) say: Paint a freakin pintura, por que
es igual un mil palabras.

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Aji1 says on May 24, 2007, 05:23:

Reality Check Look around you. Colombian men exploit Colombian women for sex a million times more than all the extranjeros in the entire country ever thought about. It has become part of the culture. I see it with my own suegro. It will continue to go on even if another extranjero never enters Colombia. Get off your holier than thou self righteousness kick and come back to reality.

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billyb says on May 24, 2007, 06:03:

Somebody please pull the plug on her already... blah, blah, blah.....She's lucky she has a foreign BF already, 'cause no colombian worth his salt would put up with all that blabbering at the dinner table every efen night, night after bloody night....somebody shoot me please...

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pedro says on May 24, 2007, 07:53:

Enjoy the coffee It's been a while since Don Gringo posted here. He left in mysterious circumstances.

Last I heard, he can be found out front of the Exito in Salitre each day, protesting the price of bananas.

que nota!

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kalder says on May 24, 2007, 08:34:

I doubt CaritadeAngel would ever get a job in the Diplomatic Corps and, for what it's worth, I totally disagree with her contentions about prostitution, relationships et al. Nevertheless, I'm really enjoying her being around here. So what if she comes at us like a Sherman tank? You know what it's like when someone takes a dig at you here: You hit back and before you know it, it's all about who's the most articulate, who's the biggest smartarse, who can 'win' the discussion etc. If she's guilty of that, well...who here isn't?

What I like about her is that she's interesting, tells stories, is empassioned, posts in good faith. Is serious. I may think much of her worldview is naive and wrong-headed. But it seems to me that her contributions, being different to mine and others', can only enrich and widen the debate.

She brings another colour (a sort of fuschia, perhaps) to the PBH spectrum and I hope she stays.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Miguel says on May 24, 2007, 09:02:

She could write, I agree Yet a little too verbose, IMHO.

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 09:28:

I predict a Second Reincarnation....she is lettting some posters tend to their wounds, put Preparation H on their hemorroids, and prepare for another ass-whuppinnnnnnnnnnnnnn....but then again, i always enjoy watching or giving a good bitch-slappin', or intellectual hiding....which ever term one uses...its all good.....=)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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calikitty1 says on May 24, 2007, 09:34:

In the first place. No one asked

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 24, 2007, 09:44:

It would be her third incarnation on PBH, because this lass has been here already at least once before, perhaps two years ago, with her spirited prose, her serious and passionate approach to issues that have to do with sexuality and society, her self-distance and her wit. I remember her well; even the handle she used at that time.

It takes a lot of guts to come here and say what she had to say and then hang on through the initial months of battle with the hard-line misogynists, guys stuck in a time warp, twilight zone, with extremely conservative attitudes that descend like vultures on every American/European female who dares to defend the ideals that we are raised up with.

I've been accused of the very same things as her and yet just like Carita, am neither a feminist nor a commie. I don't get involved in these battles any longer, I did, when I first started here, but it's an uphill battle and goes on ad nauseaum and to change the things that we have hard time to live with we'd need to take this discussion to other places, other levels, other institutions.

I'm glad, however, that there are plenty of reasonable, rational people to balance off the mindless hate-campaigns and pointless arguments.

Carita de Angel, we'll be waiting for your next incarnation. We desperately need people like you here in this board.

Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Robert Jorge says on May 24, 2007, 09:49:

I agree Kalder. 100% my take also. Unfortunately, she took some things so serious, she is dipping out for a while. I am surprised she took things so personal and serious, living in Colombia. For me personally, Colombia taught me patience I never knew was possible, and to relax and just go with the flow. My guess, is that she might be working or volunteering with women and or kids that have been abused, or are trying to get out of the sex trade, or something related. Perhaps that was why she was so passionate in her views. Anyway, this all speculation and it doesn't matter anyway.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 10:05:

Private Note to Desi: it is a break in the action....its called reupping her ammo...but dont worry, she doesnt appear the type to run and hide under other aliases like some of the childish cowards (girlymen?) here who call themselves "men"..jajajja......my money is on you will be seeing the same moniker used......and to be honest, only Pod was able to keep up with her intellectually.....everyone else crashed and burned like Tom Cruise! jajjajaj.....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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billyb says on May 24, 2007, 10:16:

I don't know MC, maybe like DG, after... staying up for days writing innumerable and endless posts about how brilliant they are, Carita has also crashed and burned and needs to go to a place to get well again?? I write this with tongue firmly planted in cheek of course ;)

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Miguel says on May 24, 2007, 10:19:

Gimme a break She was fuller of shit than a Christmas turkey.

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CaritadeAngel says on May 24, 2007, 10:32:

Parting Shot No, Desi is right. She remembers my alias, I got spammed to buggery and had to close that it down, then I forgot. It doesn't matter - I didn't leave then because of bullying, then, I just got really busy. I will not post here again under another alias - I like this one, anyway, you'll know its me and I don't run and hide behind multiple ones in order to enage in cyberbullying, like some do here.

I'm so flattered some of you thought I was Colombian. That's very sweet of you. Incidentally, one of the reasons why I love Colombia is because of the lack of bullying which has become such a feature now of British and American culture these days, and I have to say, one of the more unattractive features of many modern western men. If you wanna fight, come out and fight me like a man.

There men here are some who are men of reason if they disagree with me, well, feminists and commies disagree with me too, so, I guess I'm Ms Popular right?

I am resting. I never said I wouldn't post again, I want to take break for now. You're right Kalder - the way to deal with Cyberbullying is not to reason with them. For those interested in how to make web-forums safer places you can go to

http://www.urban75.org/info/bullying.html

But yeah, don't worry lads, I'll be back. Me and my fat/commie/feminazi gringa ass.

My ass will eventually shrink from all that time in the pool though. You, you'll all still be tiny.

Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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gringoloid says on May 24, 2007, 10:36:

Breaking News Story......

CARTAGENA 5/24: An arrest was made in the Old City of a Mr. Gringoloid, a vacationing tourist from Bogota. The citizens arrest was conducted by two gringas, Kari Angela Frump and Deisy Arnaz of New York City. Security cameras captured this picture of Mr. Gringoloid, according to the two gringas, alledgedly in an act of ‘sexual tourism.’ It appears that according to the gringas, Mr. Gringoloid used his massive economic power and had pulled a wad of COP’s out of his pocket and bought some fruit, and then put his arms around the two ladies and copped a cheap, meaningless feel.

The two victims, who were totally baffled, refused to press charges, stating that, “this is the way we make our living!�?

When told that Mr. Gringoloid had been held and then released, Miss Frump added: “I’m smarter than anyone here, and I’ve had law training, so I will file a legal doctrine,
Iamic Pendejaum Questic Enfermic.�?

Miss Frump further added that, “ we finally got gringoloid off the streets, and when I’m done giving him an American Express Card Vasectomy, gringoloid will never put his arms around another woman in a third world country again.�?

When contacted, the chief of police, through his mistress with a 30 year age difference, replied that he couldn’t come to the phone as he is, “busy.�?

Tourist officials as well as prosecutors were baffled by the charges.

Hilton officials confirmed earlier that the two gringas are staying at the hotel in Laquito, and are attending a conference called, “Symposium on Why Are Colombianas Happier than Gringas�?.

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 10:37:

Just like McDonalds new slogan (slightly modified, though): "I'm f at cking lovin' it!" jajajja...

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 10:40:

G..if that is a photo of you, i feel sorry for you.....no wonder those two are all you can get....jajajaja..and you probably did have to pay them too.....funny post though...

but that gringo looks almost identical to this gringo:

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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slguy says on May 24, 2007, 10:46:

Tough crowd, here. I'm at a loss to understand why supposed adults can't debate an issue without falling into juvenile name calling - except when juvenile name calling is the only arsenal left to them. I think Mark Twain said - it's better to stay silent and have people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt...

Yes- CA has very outspoken opinions on many issues, and is not afraid to express her viewpoint. I agree with her very little on social issues - but I sure do love seeing intellect at work, no matter the viewpoint. Intellect combined with a talent for prose is a gift more of us should pray for - and she has them, no matter how different from typical PBH opinions hers are.

I'd encourage some of you to review some of the nasty crap you wrote, and think about it. But it wouldn't change anything. If you were smart enough to be embarrassed in hindsight, you'd be smart enough not to have written such drivel in the first place.
slguy
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Now I don't have to tell you good folks what's been happening in our beloved little town. Sheriff murdered, crops burned, stores looted, people stampeded, and cattle raped. The time has come to act, and act fast. I'm leaving.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 24, 2007, 11:06:

Is that you gringoloid? Sheeet...we got a wrong guy thrown into a Colombian jail for unlawful lifestyle.

I have a picture of myself posing with some Guambianos wearing hats, skirts, blue ponchos and beads. Perhaps I should publish it too just to show what a nice person I am and how well I get along with the natives. (I offered those people money for posing with me and they were almost insulted)

Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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gringoloid says on May 24, 2007, 11:11:

yea, it's me..... the new gringoloid, only comico from now on! Life is too short!

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 11:16:

i was only teasing you, G.....btw....careful with posting fotos of you ...ask Mario about his experience with that..

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 11:18:

was that photo near Plaza de Santo Domingo? San Pedro? Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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fugdis says on May 24, 2007, 11:21:

who Is that gringoloid or gordon ramsay?

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 11:26:

i tried to answer the Why are Colombianas Happier question, but then i came across a simpler question with answers....Why are Men happier???? continue reading....

Men Are Just Happier People:
-- What do you expect from such simple creatures?

* Your last name stays put.

* The garage is all yours.

* Wedding plans take care of themselves.

* Chocolate is just another snack.

* You can be President.

* You can never be pregnant.

* You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park.

* You can wear NO shirt to a water park.

* Car mechanics tell you the truth.

* The world is your urinal.

* You never have to drive to another gas station restroom because
this one is just too icky.

* You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a
bolt.

* Same work, more pay.

* Wrinkles add character.

* Her Wedding dress - $5000. Your Tux rental - $100.

* People never stare at your chest when you're talking to them.

* The occasional well-rendered belch is practically expected.

* New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet.

* One mood all the time.

* Phone conversations are over in 30 seconds flat. (There are
exceptions)

* You know stuff about tanks.

* A five-day vacation requires only one suitcase.

* You can open all your own jars.

* You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness.

* If someone forgets to invite you, he or she can still be your
friend.

* Your underwear is $8.95 for a three-pack.

* Three pairs of shoes are more than enough.

* You almost never have strap problems in public.

* You are unable to see wrinkles in your clothes.

* Everything on your face stays its original color.

* The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades.

* You only have to shave your face and neck.

* You can play with toys all your life.

* Your belly usually hides your big hips.

* One wallet and one color for all seasons.

* You can wear shorts no matter how your legs look.

* You can "do" your nails with a pocket knife.

* You have freedom of choice concerning growing a mustache.

* You can do Christmas shopping for 25 relatives on December 24 in
25 minutes.

No wonder men are happier.

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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gringoloid says on May 24, 2007, 11:41:

women don't belch, burp, or fart and are holding in all those dangerous gases!
Men never let these gases build up, therefore much happier.

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houstongal says on May 24, 2007, 14:55:

Why Women Are Happier Than Men And since MC didn't post the retort to the "Why Men Are Happier" list, here it is. I didn't write these, but found them on the web.

Women...

* ...Aren't forced to compensate for their fathers' lack of childhood sports skills every Saturday morning throughout their formative years.

* ...Can sit and read every time they go to the bathroom.

* ...Can spend time alone with Catholic priests, Boy Scout leaders, and Baptist Youth ministers without feeling sexually threatened

* ...Don't worry about going bald

* ...Never have to rearrange their testicles while wearing tight pants

* ...Never get their sex organs caught in their zippers while drunk

* ...Don't have to constantly answer "What are you gonna be when you grow up?" shortly after their third birthday.

* ...Don't have to run a super-sharp piece of metal over their facial epidermal layer each and every morning of their adult lives.

* ...Can bludgeon someone to death with a baseball bat and then get off scot-free by claiming a "hormonal imbalance"

* ...Can commit cold-blooded murder and not only get off scot-free, but end up with a book deal and an appearance on Oprah merely by mentioning "years of violent spousal abuse"

* ...Don't have to go in a pubic women's restroom and worry about some previous occupant pissing and shitting on the seat, the floor, and the surrounding walls.

* ...ALWAYS outlive their husbands.

* ...Have a wide variety of commercial, sweet smelling deodorants for their sex organ.

* ...In a moment of anger, can call someone a "cunt" without being exiled and excommunicated from the community of humankind.

* ...know exactly what to do when a child is sick.

* ...don't have a freaky, semi-oedipal relationship with their overbearing mothers

* ...don't ever have to spit

* ...don't ever have to hold one nostril shut while blowing a huge loogie out the other

* ...have an astute, innate sense of when to change underwear before it becomes a Petri Dish for bacteria development

* ...never pull a back muscle screaming at the television during a sports event.

* ...don't have to worry about which family member will inherit and care for their collection of baseball caps

* ...never lose six hours on a Saturday morning watching fishing shows on OLN

* ...can terminate a bladder emptying event without waiting for 'the shake'

* ...can tell their doctors anything

* ...Can simulate a perfect, entire sex act with nothing more than ten idle minutes and a zucchini.

Oh, and the best one of all:

* ...MULTIPLE ORGASMS

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 14:59:

Uh Oh!! i think we have created a monster within this thread, HG =)..wait til the after school recess crowds comes out to playyyyyy!!!!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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houstongal says on May 24, 2007, 15:10:

I didn't start it! MC - you knew the women on PBH wouldn't allow you to post your list without a retort. I just want to make it clear that I didn't create the list (just like you didn't create your list). I would like to add to your list...men are happier because they don't have to wear a thong to avoid panty lines!

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 15:18:

Hey, lets blame in on Gringoloid, he asked why colombianas are happier! jajajja....Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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billyb says on May 24, 2007, 15:49:

H'gal, would that be multiple real... orgasms, or multiple fake ones? ;)

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 24, 2007, 16:58:

or a combination, thereof.....?? Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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gringoloid says on May 24, 2007, 19:06:

hey, don't blame me.... I'm in enough trouble already.....but I'm in a 12 step program called "Tourists Anonymous" to deal with the problem....

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elreydelostrolls says on May 24, 2007, 19:39:

"You are only interest in living silly lives with as little accountability as possible."

Well, it sure beats being a nattering self-righteous prig. I still think you're just another one of UTC's wanker buddies.

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houstongal says on May 24, 2007, 20:17:

Real of course! But then you guys really can't tell when we're faking now can you???

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

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elreydelostrolls says on May 24, 2007, 20:22:

"But then you guys really can't tell when we're faking now can you???"

No, but then the only orgasm we care about is our own. If that one's real who the hell cares about anything else?

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lochdhu says on May 24, 2007, 20:32:

True, But then again any pleasure you get out of it is totally coincidental.

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arfgoblue says on May 24, 2007, 21:39:

One thing i don´t understand... assuming CA is some high-witted, shakespeare-quoting scottish broad living in BBQ, how could she possibly be having coffee with dongringo, who supposedly lives in Bogota?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 24, 2007, 21:50:

arfgoblue, I think she meant it as a metaphor for taking a break from PBH.

Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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arfgoblue says on May 24, 2007, 22:13:

desi... i understood the metaphor and was kidding, but thanks for the clarification... =)

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goin_south says on May 25, 2007, 01:18:

They're having ... a Virtual Valdez

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goin_south says on May 25, 2007, 01:19:

and, I don't mean... ship-wreck

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kalder says on May 25, 2007, 04:17:

M_C "The world is your urinal"

For that reason alone, I thank the Almighty for making me male.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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billyb says on May 25, 2007, 06:55:

Maybe they'r having coffee together at the... place they both went to get well.

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 25, 2007, 10:38:

the trick is, K, not to piss/shit where one sleeps/eats...=) i spent the first 10 years in patrol working midnights, and thank God for darkness and having the world as a urinal....jajajja....with all that gear, i felt sorry for the female cops......

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Lostgringo says on May 25, 2007, 10:51:

Long winded or what I left North America to get away from these kind of women lol.

Your Home Away from Home:http://www.welovebogota.com http://www.apartmentinbogota.com "Luxury apartment and rooms Cheap" Only 2 blocks from the American Embassy!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 25, 2007, 11:02:

Poor lost, You left your country to get away from the female equivalent of yourself, the woman raised up with the same values and priorities as yourself. You can run, but you can't hide...from yourself. Perhaps you should've been born in another country, another time.

Cheers,
Desi
(try to think of us women as your friends, not your enemies)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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gringoloid says on May 25, 2007, 19:04:

Even though it is a metaphor..... I know DonGringo pretty good; and if he ever met C/Angel she would be having that coffee in her face!

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flatworld says on May 26, 2007, 09:16:

Thanks to CA My dive buddy and I are planning a trip to Cartagena in November. I've heard scuba sort of sucks in Colombia (unless you get out to Malpelo and Cocos, maybe in 08) so we we're questioning the trip. But last night while bumming out over all of the chubby chicks in the states I had an inspirational though brought on by CA. We're going to have tee-shirt made up with "Sex Tourist" on the front. "Once You go Down with a Dive Master You'll Never go Down With Anyone Else" on the back. Then we'll walk around with copies of our passports pasted to our foreheads and our peckers hanging out of our shorts...

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Cerealkiller says on May 26, 2007, 09:30:

The world is my urinal too, i can do it anywhere i please. I can usually hold it, I have a hollow leg to compensate for my small bladder. But if I reeeeally need to pee, I will freaking drop my cucos and pee, I dont care if people are watching or not. You gotta do what you gotta do.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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CaritadeAngel says on May 26, 2007, 15:07:

Flatworld: Do you know, that was rather amusing. Tell me, have you been practising? Well, I certainly wouldn't argue with the factual accuracy of either of those T-shirt slogans.

Don't just print two – print many, except for the non-scoobies, place a target on the reverse with the legend “Aim here�?. Then sell them at the airport this weekend as the sex-pests of America board the flights to Medellin for their annual Memorial weekend convention. You'll make a mint. Then you can spend that mint on all the prepagos you can lay your hands on.

I was going to CG this weekend but I didn't have my t-shirt printed yet. It says “once he's done white, he's done it right�? in English on one side and “before you date a gringo, ask a gringa�? in Spanish, on the other side.

Happy diving.

“It's a common misconception that black men are bigger than latin men, and latin men are bigger than white men. This is untrue; a shameful prejudice. A****holes, however, are the same everywhere.�?

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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flatworld says on May 26, 2007, 16:21:

You go girl!! “It's a common misconception that black men are bigger than latin men, and latin men are bigger than white men. This is untrue; a shameful prejudice. . . �?

Wow CA you certainly had me fooled!! You must have been around the block a few times to have those stats nailed down like that, but as long as it was for free I guess it's ok.

I'm not sure you if realize it but your postings are easily viewed as derogatory toward Colombian women. They scream of, "come to Colombia where the women are cheep and easily had. Flash them your money, your passport, and your wallet and take them any way you will." Just because you sprinkle them with, "It's all your fault you American swine" doesn't make it less of an insult.

But then again, maybe that's what you're really aiming for.

Hey, my friend plays a wicked guitar. Maybe we can do a few gigs while we're there. Muchachos y muchachas, "The Sex Tourists!!" . . . Will the women in Colombia throw themselves at rock stars too, or only for greencards and greenbacks?

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 26, 2007, 16:30:

Flatworld...are you sure you meant to type this as such?? You wrote: ""Once You go Down with a Dive Master You'll Never go Down With Anyone Else" on the back."

Instead of "with" dont you mean "on"?? When you write "with" as in "once you go down with" instead of "once you go down on" it reads as if you and the other person are going down "on" a divemaster together???!! not sure if that was what you meant or not...same with the second "with", shouldnt it read "on anyone else"?? Completely different scenarios depending on whether one uses "with" or "on"....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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billyb says on May 26, 2007, 16:32:

Flatworld, as long as those black and latin men.... she was sampling (and measuring??)had more economic resources than Carita, she couldn't be considered guilty of either sex tourism or hypocracy. Were they wealthier than you Carita??

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flatworld says on May 26, 2007, 17:20:

MC thanks for the correction, could have killed the t-shirt sales.

I'm sure you're right, but when trying to mix metaphors with seething sarcasm it can become convoluted. ie, you wouldn't really go "down on" a Divemaster if the intent was to have him/her guide you on a SCUBA tour (sort of like a sex tour but with a regulator, BCD, fins . . . ) I did meet a Divemaster in Bonaire I would have gladly gone down on/with, semantics aside. She was hot! Unfortunately, I think she was just after passage to the states so I had to say no. Else risk being accused of sex tourism.

bb - I wouldn't hold it against her. Unless she has her own money / visa . . .

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 26, 2007, 17:36:

i totally understand...it just sounded weird, thats all.. i got diving certified in Cancun, with a very hot lady instructor.....that weeklong PADI certification course probably is not like the more intense ones given in the US..(my sister, who is really into diving, had like a 12 week course....)..sure is a wonderful world under the sea....one day i will further that hobby....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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CaritadeAngel says on May 26, 2007, 17:56:

Course they were richer. I'm a penniless academic. But before God and the Holy Virgin, I swear it was True Love, every time!

I'm still looking for my sugar daddy who will pay for the liposuction on my big gringa ass, fortunately boob implants are not required in my case. Remember that according to some gentlemen who post here, all gringas are "golddiggers" which is why, they as come to Colombia to avoid ladies such as myself. What a stroke of bloody genius!

Incidentally, I've just found the website where El Rey (in his many incarnations) and sundry others have placed their profiles in a bid to end their pathetic solitude.

If you want to see what these guys REALLY look like, girls, just go to:

www.mailorderhusbands.net, and click for luuuuuuuuuuuuuurve!

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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flatworld says on May 26, 2007, 18:39:

Cancun rocks for party life but Cozumel has much better diving. I've taken PADI courses up through Divemaster. The rescue class was the most fun. If you continue MC (and I hope you will) don't forget about the world of shipwrecks. So have I been misinformed, is the scuba in Cartagena that bad?

Those hot dive instructor are something. It must be the sense of adventure mixed with their work attire . . . considered throwing away my 'fortunes' to spend the rest of my life kicking around the Carib with her ;-) Hey CA, what sort a tourist would that have made me?

CA Careful, that comment was leaning toward funny. On a serious note, you're not a woman scorned are you? Not enough men tooting their horns your way maybe....

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 26, 2007, 19:31:

Once i am settled in completely, then i will be able to explore all that South America has to offer...i am looking forward to that day...wont be long though.....if all goes well....=)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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CaritadeAngel says on May 26, 2007, 20:54:

No Flatworld, I am a woman scorning Don't you know its really "hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn?"

I've posted before about all the wonderful old men who love to blow their horns and make hissy noises at me in the street at me. Its lovely to be appriciated, for sure, but my heart lies elsewhere.

The man in my life is a hot gringo scuba diver, just like you.

Which is why I agree with your t-shirt slogans.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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flatworld says on May 26, 2007, 21:35:

You're bright and feisty I'll give you that. But I don't date unless I see pictures :-)

Besides, I'm a one womanizer man. Maybe if things don't work out I'll ring you up or blow my horn . . .

I'm glad you've warmed up to the t-shirts. I think they're going to be a big hit.

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billyb says on May 26, 2007, 22:55:

Carita, you have also posted on another thread... how only old men and young children oogle at you (the great white whale, to use your own words) at the "pool" where you hang out, then on another thread you elevate those children to " hot young bucks" (to use your own words again), so what really are they? And by extension, what are you?

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CaritadeAngel says on May 26, 2007, 23:10:

The kids got used to me They aren't used to foreigners.

The twenty and thirty somethings have all shown up in the last 2-3 weeks. They are used to foreigners, and everyone knows me now, so I'm just "Carita" and not "the gringa". But you are making a spirited effort to troll me billyb, sitting all grizzly under that bridge of yours.

But of course, you are just jealous. You would like to have a lot of hot young men oogle you, wouldn't you?

“It's a common misconception that black men are bigger than latin men, and latin men are bigger than white men. This is untrue; a shameful prejudice. A****holes, however, are the same everywhere.�?

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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billyb says on May 26, 2007, 23:34:

I'm disappointed Carita, I would have expected a more... intelligent retort from you. Is that the best you can do? Insinuate that I'm gay? Weren't you railing against the "boys" for accusing you of being a lesbian? Don't you get tired of being a hypocrite???? As tiresome as you have become, I did use to appreciate your woebegone wit. BTW, convenient for your argument that the 20 and 30some yearolds have shown up at the pool lately, is it not? And that little bridge of mine is quite comfortable ;)

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CaritadeAngel says on May 27, 2007, 19:08:

Sorry Billy Was tired. I can't be the mirror of wit all the time. You know that was a nasty blow that you posted, and I really expected better of you too.

what I find perpetually funny is that you guys wax positively lyrical about Colombianas, their beauty and worth etc etc. (while all the while having a good ol' bitch about gringas) but you all get distinctly uncomfortable if a gringa says that she thinks colombianos are more attractive than gringos, or even that colombian guys are attractive. This is funny, because however much you hate gringas, you hate the thought of "your" women dating, or prefering "their" men. This is the fear which rules all that anti-Mexican feeling in the USA.

Hipocracy? Moi? I don't think so. Deep down in the leather armchairs of your souls, is the terrible fear "those brown guys might have bigger manhoods than us". Still thinking with Mr Winky?

Of course, I do not date here, even if I meet guys I find attractive. I'm not blind and am not made of stone. I appriciate a admiring glance as much as the next girl. I always meet piropos with a smile, unless they are obscene (which they never are in Colombia): Pod would be proud of me. But that doesn't mean that I am here for the men, and it doesn't mean that I sleep with them, or chasing them, or "playing" them.

The reason why I don't of course, that once you grow up and embrace the necessary joys of adulthood a woman realises how little looks matter compared with the quality of the man. Compassion wit intelligence and so-forth. Many of these silly muchachos are all brawn and no brain. They could never pose a serious threat to my heart, or even turn me on.

If I slept with every guy I found attractive, or every guy who made a charming play, I would be very tired. And possibly very rich. As it is, I am just a happy gringa livin' my life and counting the days til I see my love again.

But I do love PBH. Its the only forum in the world where a woman can be called a bitch, slut, whore, frigid virgin, communist, neocon religious fundamentalist, lesbian, and bra-burner all in the same thread. Logic rules!

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Lostgringo says on May 28, 2007, 07:01:

Desidera what are you talking about???

"You left your country to get away from the female equivalent of yourself," What are you saying???? Do you know my values? How do you know this? I left because my values "WERE DIFFERENT," not the same as North American women. I value my experience in my country and my income allows me to enjoy Colombia. I am neither running away from nor running to Colombia. I have chosen Colombia as a place to retire and to enjoy the Colombian culture, people and weather. I am sorry if I offended you but I truly have little use for North American women, especially when it comes to relationships.

If that offends you I am sorry.

It is nice to have her around but CartidadeAngel is still one long winded Gringa in IMHO.

Your Home Away from Home:http://www.welovebogota.com http://www.apartmentinbogota.com "Luxury apartment and rooms Cheap" Only 2 blocks from the American Embassy!

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Wastelandlive says on May 28, 2007, 10:17:

Huh??? C(A): "But you all get distinctly uncomfortable if a gringa says that she thinks colombianos are more attractive than gringos, or even that colombian guys are attractive. This is funny, because however much you hate gringas, you hate the thought of "your" women dating, or prefering "their" men."

I personally would be willing to contribute funds to send your naive, pretentious, and marginally educated young ass on an extended field trip to Colombia with great hopes that you would fall in love with a Colombiano and get a chance to savor that experience to the absolute fullest.

C: "This is the fear which rules all that anti-Mexican feeling in the USA."

Ya.

R/

Waste.

Wasteland

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 28, 2007, 11:02:

Lostgringo perhaps I was wrong and you really are different from your female equivalent. Granted, I don't know you and I have never discussed the matter with you, but I would guess that you were born and educated in USA, lived a great portion of your life there, speak preferably English and have not gone over the wall and live like an average Colombian. How COULD you possibly have a totally different set of morals, values,priorities than other people of your immediate surroundings, from the place you grew up? We do not invent ourselves, or even RE-invent, like some people pretend to do, because this re-invention is only skin deep, just like an extra layer on an onion.

To affirm that you do not share the values and priorities of your fellow gringos (male and female alike ( I do NOT believe that guys are raised up with different paradigms and social codes than girls in your country; they are two sides of the same coin) you'd have have adopted a totally foreign culture and lifestyle, values and priorities that differ drastically from US. ideals, like for example, the basic concept of fidelity in marriage that most western societies still consider the norm, perhaps embrace a different religion, political world-view or economical philosophy.

Have you fully embraced a foreign culture and lifestyle giving up your gringo values and priorities then I would say that yes, I am very, very wrong about you.

Oh there was no offense, neither received or intented. I just found that concept about having different values than the women you grew up with rather odd. How did that happen?

Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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billyb says on May 28, 2007, 11:52:

Carita, We do agree on one thing, Colombianos... are very good looking, as I am Colombian, not griongo ;) And BTW, I don't hate gringas, as a matter of fact I love them, as I do every other kind of woman. Well, maybe except longwinded knowitalls that spend all day telling you how smart and tough they are ;)

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CaritadeAngel says on May 28, 2007, 12:29:

Yeah, Waste, whatever. Men who have never even reached disillusionment (because they never have fine feelings to begin with) call others naïve because they have standards and ideals. It is possible to have those ideals and still be realistic about life. But by all means, show me the money. I need the cash. Tell you what, let me play you for it first - let you believe I am the answer to all your dreams, and then make sure I've got my sweet papacito on the side. I'd hate to be the one to break the PBH tradition.

My experience is much broader than you think, Waste, I have been in a relationship with a Colombian man, in my country. We met by chance and it was the best and worst of times. I still respect him as a man, but we weren't right for each other. He left me with a love of cumbia and the Spanish language, but it was not To Be. Better things were just around the corner. I saw the man – not a cultural stereotype, which is why perhaps - I am here with a level head on my shoulders. Oh yeah, and he wasn't a "dog".

Billyb: You are good looking. Great. We can all be gorgeous together then. I am smart, and educated, and tough, and beautiful. I don't apologise for it, and to my recollection stated this once, to Gringoloid, because he was so obviously threatened. I don't believe in putting myself down. Put-downs, though, are the way in the West. I hope this is one nasty bitchy North American habit you are not on the point of acquiring.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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billyb says on May 28, 2007, 15:35:

Carita, I'm sorry that you automatically assumed... I was referring to you when I stated that I didn't like longwinded knowitalls etc...but if the shoe fits... Btw, you can now add insecure and overly defensive to that list ;)

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CaritadeAngel says on May 28, 2007, 17:03:

Billy, if you were chocolate, you'd eat yourself. I extrapolated from first principles. I am the only woman you have called long winded and insufferable here, in a previous post. Directly.

But if its easier for you to think of me as defensive and insecure, all the more power to me. Therefore, it was a reasonable assumption to make that you were being consistent (and not very original). But you get points for trying.

Tell me, do you see much action with that charm of yours? Or are you just pleased to read me?

Oh, I forgot, "negging" is in the players guide, right? Are you trying to pick me up?

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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billyb says on May 28, 2007, 17:45:

Never called you insufferable, but... we can add that to the list as well. Let me know if you think of any of your other endearing qualities. Did we list defensive yet??

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CaritadeAngel says on May 28, 2007, 19:09:

Oh, sorry
That must have been another drone.

If you do not defend yourself when attacked, you are stupid. No?

But Billyboy, I'm not your enemy.

Tell me, do you feel threatened?

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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arfgoblue says on May 29, 2007, 08:42:

ca i thought you were leaving us to have coffee with don gringo. looks like dg takes his bitters pretty fast....

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