ID'ing Military Uniforms & Guns

el flaco says on Dec 6, 2007, 01:16:

I can't answer your questions but the army uses US uniforms as does the Thai army and who knows who else. So what happens when the US goes to war with these countries with everyone in the same uniform?

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 01:22:

I never saw the US army (or marine) digital camo pattern while there. I did see a camo pattern (like the one in my 2nd to the last picture) but the colors are more vibrant than the US pattern and a bit more like the German flecktarn pattern (in my opinion) than the American digital pattern.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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el flaco says on Dec 6, 2007, 01:29:

Both Thai and Colombian use jungle green but I assume this is not obsolete as they both fight in the jungle. I never saw camo there. I am no expert.

Another scenario would be Thais fighting Colombians. I wonder what the neighbouring countries use?

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 6, 2007, 01:33:

The weapons are Galil assault rifles, an Israeli made version of the AK-47

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 01:37:

Thanks, bartolo! I thought the magazine looked like an AK but wasn't sure if that was just all the war movies I watch influencing my judgement. ;)

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 01:47:

I forgot this photo. What's the guy carrying on the left? Some sort of shotgun?

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 6, 2007, 01:59:

the top 3 pics are Military Police, then I think tourist cops, next are marines, the guy in digi (does look like german digi) is regular army. The bottom guy is texting his girlfriend, while his comrade thinks about salchichan.

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 6, 2007, 02:04:

Looks like a twelve guage, and crappy body armour.

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 02:11:

Thanks again, Bartolo! You'd think an embassy would provide better body armor for the dude. Crazy limeys. hehe
Oh, and I loved your commentary about those bottom two guys.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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Gator says on Dec 6, 2007, 07:44:

Not all are military-about half are police. Much depends upon the assignment and the mission. Which embassy?? Picture six is the standard field uniform of the regular standing army.

The Gali is made in Bogotá. Of the Colombian version of the weapon, only the barrel is imported from Israel.

GIB is correct be VERY careful about taking pictures the presidents residence, and several other public buildings. If you are approached by a couple of men in all black uniforms stand still and smile.

"Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" .

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Dec 6, 2007, 08:28:

- check the INDUMIL website, I'm pretty sure the Galil uses 5.56 mm ammunition (same as the M16 and its derivatives) whereas the AK-47 is 7.62 mm.

- the Colombian Army until about a year ago used the woodland camo pattern uniform, the same one the U.S. started using in the early 1980s. As noted above, the US military has changed over to a couple of digital camo patterns. The Colombian Army has, too, but it's a local design - it's quite a bit different than the current US military digital camo. Trust me on this; the changeover has been a relief as I no longer shake in my boots as I pass through El Dorado customs with a bag full of U.S. ALICE equipment, ammunition pouches and woodland camo uniforms to give/sell to my friend in the Colombian Army. He can't use it anymore or sell it to his buddies.

- type "ejercito colombia" into Google and you'll get a website that includes a photo gallery and information about uniforms and insignia.

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nine inch nails says on Dec 6, 2007, 09:09:

Their web gear (ammo cases, green suspender belts etc.) is definetely U.S. Even saw the "U.S." stamp on them when in Medellin. M16s look authentic. Uniforms may or may not but made in U.S. but the styles looked similar de.

Nice photos!

get down, get down. are you afraid of the boogie monster?

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nine inch nails says on Dec 6, 2007, 09:11:

"I forgot this photo. What's the guy carrying on the left? Some sort of shotgun?"

Even the security in McDonalds Oveido Mall had a shot gun but sure was the friendliest shotgun toting security I ever met. Helped me empty my tray. Love the Colombian hospitality!!!

get down, get down. are you afraid of the boogie monster?

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 09:13:

Yes, the standard issue battle rifle is a Galil AR and ARM. Typically, they are issued in 5.56mm. This is very close to .223, but generally a military version. Slightly different measurement in casing, and pressures. Basically, a 5.56mm is generally a little higher pressure and typically is a more durable casing and bullet seating than a .223. In most weapons, they are interchangeable. The Galil is also manufactured in .308 Winchester, whos round is known outside of the US as 7.62 Nato. This should not be confused with the AK 7.62 round. Totally different. The .308 is MUCH more powerful than an AK round, which is actually 7.62 x 39. Technically, a .308 or 7.62 Nato round is 7.62 x 51.

Colombian police and military are also issued several other weapons of Israeli manufacture or design. Different models of UZIs are very common. A typical sidearm is an Isreali pistol. All of these are normally issued in 9mm. (Also known as 9mm Nato, 9mm Luger, 9mm ball, etc)

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 09:17:

By the way, the reason a lot of people mistake the Galil with the Kalashnikov (AK) is because Israel borrowed some of the AK's simple but ultra-reliable technology. They look very similar, and the Galil uses the same magazine design and mechanically is darn near identicle to a Kalishnikov. However, the gas system in the Galil is actually a close copy of the US AR15/M16/etc. One could accurately say the Galil is an AK47, M16 hybrid.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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britabroad says on Dec 6, 2007, 09:20:

The shotgun looks like a Mosberg 12 guage pump-action with a magazine extension, increasing the number of shells from 4 to 8. The shoulder stock is removed for easier covert carriage.
Issued to certain ejercito units for jungle warfare (covers a wider area when fired at a distance).

Leave the big stick at home...carry a cannon!

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 13:14:

Oh, it was the British embassy but there are other companies in the same building.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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Dan says on Dec 6, 2007, 13:18:

I've even seen M4's used by higher ranking officers in the Army but that was only a couple times.

God Bless America!

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coffee beaner says on Dec 6, 2007, 13:52:

I live next to the 4th Brigade in Medellin and the guys guarding my block have M4s and MP-5s. I think thats a hook up, when I was in Iraq in '03 we only got m16a2 then in '05 they upgraded all our rifles with m16a4 but never got M4s or MP-5s. Yea and I know an M4 is basically the same as a m16a4 but it just looks so much better and cooler. By the way the guys in the 5th picture are bachilleres, basically kids that just graduated High School.

Here is a picture of me with a galil we confiscated in Iraq

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 14:37:

That isn't a Galil. That is an FN/FAL type of rifle. It was originally made by the Belgians, and was also manufactured in Great Britian, Brazil, and many other countries.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 14:39:

"FN" stands for Fabrique National (sp?) which was a Belgian arms manufacturer.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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coffee beaner says on Dec 6, 2007, 15:01:

Thanks for clarifying RJ I wasn't sure but I just threw it out there and maybe nobody would have caught it LOL... anyways, it was a pretty cool rifle, also the rifle used by the Brits was really cool but they thought our M16s were nicer. Do you know the name of the one they use?

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 15:30:

The current British battle rifle isn't a rifle anymore. It is called the SA80 individual weapon. It is a "bullpup design, with the magazine housing behind the trigger group. The whole weapon is only about 20 inches long. It shoots 5.56 also (.223 basically). It is remarkably accurate, and the British actually had to toughen their marksmanship standards because of this weapon.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 15:36:

I appreciate everyone helping me with the guns and uniforms!

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 15:42:

No problem ... my favorite topic. Well, second favorite ....

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 15:47:

Do all men have to serve in the Colombian military? If so, how long? Two years? When they turn 18? Just curious.

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coffee beaner says on Dec 6, 2007, 15:49:

I remember all of the Brits having scopes... they looked like acogs but much smaller. Also the SA80 feels really nice and comfortable even with the trigger in the front part of the weapon.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 15:55:

Yep, the SA80s have scoped sights. But now that you mentioned that, I can't see them in the picture I posted. Those sights work the same way as the Acog you mentioned. Avoiding technical jargon, you look through a piece of glass that has little or no magnification, and there is a bright dot or shape floating in the middle of what you are looking at. That represents the bullet impact area if the sight is properly tuned. Great thing about those types of sights - there is no need to close "the other eye" when aiming and you can look through that sight at any angle you choose.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Dec 6, 2007, 15:56:

Note to self: Never try to break into Robert Jorge's house.

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 15:59:

Also, what kind of pistol do the officers get? Beretta? Glock? And while I'm on the subject with all you experts, any suggestions as to what kind of hangun I should get for myself (just to keep under the bed)? I thought the Walther P22's were cute (yes, I said cute) and you can get them in different colors, but someone told me it would just piss someone off instead of really hurting them. I fired a beretta while in Colombia and it felt fine... I have tried out a glock as well but it was a long time ago and I can't remember what the recoil was like. I don't need anything big and gangsta (like a Colt revolver) for lil' ole me. ;-)

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:03:

Here is a better picture of the SA80.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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coffee beaner says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:05:

In the marines all officers have beretta's, but i particularly don't like them.... I would go with the glock since its shorter, has a good punch and its cuter then the beretta LOL

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:23:

The Berettas are extremely high quality - as are Glocks. The negatives about Berettas: 1)They are a huge frame, many people can't properly hold them. 2) They shoot a mediocre round. (9mm is marginal at best as a man-stopper) Though Berettas are available in .40 SW, the military only gets the 9mm. 3) The early Berettas gave the current model a bad reputation. They are fine now, but very early - like back in 1985, they did have reliability issues.

The full size Glocks are not much smaller, if at all than a Beretta 92FS. But, they are much more ergonomic and lighter. They also can be bought in almost any auto cartridge on the market, including .45 ACP, 10mm auto, .40 SW, .357 Sig, etc. And, Glocks are virtually indestructable. I don't know why the US military stays with the 9mm Beretta? I would think a .45 Glock or a 10mm Glock would be a much more effective military sidearm. The answer probably can be traced to MONEY. Somebody made a lot of money of of the Beretta contract. And our Spec. Ops guys get issued the HK 23. It is huge for a handgun, but bad-ass. .45 caliber, threaded barrel for sound suppressor, impervious to any climate or condition, etc.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:31:

Last post of my hijacking. Israel has come out with a new line of weapons to replace the Galils, M16s, CAR15s, etc. Check out their latest standard issue battle rifle.

It is called a Tavor TAR. Someday, I imagine Colombia will get a batch of these too.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:32:

Thanks for the info! So I take it you both agree that the Walther P22 is a bit of a weenie? Sounds as though I might like the Glock better than a Beretta if it is lighter (and indestructable), although I have no plans on getting my permit to actually carry a gun anytime soon or running over a Glock with my car. ;-) Suggestions on which cartridge to get?

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:43:

With so many things for a person to carry by hand these days.... you might want to consider this Nokia, travelingirl:



You probably want to call 911, afterwards.

Colombia es

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msaucey says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:43:

Hey, RJ, you either have an extensive Military background, which I think you do... Or you grew in the "Happy Trigger South"... :-P Just pulling your leg, since I think this is one of the topics that is apparently right up your alley....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:43:

A Walther P22 is fine as a back-up gun, but is not recommended for home defense. People die from .22 gunshot wounds all the time. The problem is, if there is a bad guy in your house, and you shoot him with a .22 - even if you hit him COM (center of mass), there isn't much energy transfer, which means he won't be stopped in his tracks and it may take several minutes for him to bleed out and die. Meanwhile, he is even more pissed at you! For home defense, especially for a novice, a good ole' .38 caliber revolver is recommended. It is simple, pull the trigger, it shoots, period. No safety to have to look for in a panic situation while the adrenaline is flowing. The round is adequate. In my opinion, the best weapon for home defense is a 12 gauge shotgun. No need for fancy rounds or 00 buck, etc. Bird shot will almost chop an intruder in half at 15 feet.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:45:

Happy Trigger? Wasn't that possibly Roy Rogers' horse?

Colombia es

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:46:

youre thirst for weapons knowledge unerves me, ok i'm only a brit but bra size realy is a better avenue

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:46:

Actually raised in southern Indiana. I don't know why, but I have always had an interest in firearms and military stuff. I love history and geography too. I could talk all day about any of that stuff!

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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msaucey says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:46:

GS, that's before my time.... :-)

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:53:

reruns....

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:53:

Loved your post, Robert. While I'm sure a revolver and shotgun would do the trick, I'm just not a big fan of revolvers and I wanted something small instead of a shotgun. Actually, I've never shot a shotgun (only carried it to scare what I thought was a robber), but I have used a rifle in target practice. Would a shotgun throw me up against a wall and scare the crap out of me? Hmm, I might have to look in to the shotgun though if you can assure me they won't all bruise my shoulder.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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msaucey says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:55:

I like a nice 35mm... It can give you a bit of a push, but if your stance is cool you should be fine....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:55:

so when and where people got shot floates your boat, ha, joking, I also find history a facinating subject, especialy here in south america I also could rabbit on for hours on this subject, however Im in the dark on calibre and velocity, but I'm sure there will be a red neck with heaps of scarey stuff that will give me savage dreams brutal sweaty nights, ha !

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:56:

Were you refering to me, la campina? If so, sorry but yes, I'm interested in guns. The history and military channels are two of my favorites. And what all do you need to know about bra size? ;-)

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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msaucey says on Dec 6, 2007, 16:58:

travelingirl.... you're going to soooooooo start a whole new subject on this threat... And I'm sure the boys will love it.... next comment will probably be from GS.... lol

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:00:

I was tempted ;o)

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msaucey says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:02:

LOL.... Patito you didn't give into the temptation.... You must not be feeling well.... j/k....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:02:

but now, I know I don't want to make an errant comment//bad pun about travelin girl and her guns ;)... better stick to La_Camp and his bra sizes ..jejje

Colombia es

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:04:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Too funny, GS.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:05:

tgirl no, the original post was my point, I should make myself clearer, ha c'mon there are a few jokes their ! me make myself more transparent, ha! pero as my mom said if you cant laugh at yourself then you shouldnt laugh at anybody else, or something like that !

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:06:

but I think someone told me yesterday that 'Duck Season' jus closed...
at least the first split... so, ... es..es...est..SOY CON MUCHO SEGURIDAD

Colombia es

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:06:

Oh, trust me... I'm totally laughing at myself walking in to GS's guns comment.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:11:

No, a shotgun will not throw you up against a wall. A lot of people are intimidated by the thought of firing them. Why? Because they or somebody they knew nervously shot one once and had a bad experience. What I mean is they held the butt-stock an inch or two off their shoulder, closed their eyes, and pulled the trigger. Well, then the gun will hit like a pile-driver. If the weapon is shouldered tightly against the shoulder, it will recoil, but the body naturally absorbs the recoil and it isn't violent in the least. No matter what gun you choose, you MUST practice with it a lot so you get used to it, the mechanisms become second nature, and so you feel totally comfortable with it.

If you choose a handgun, and you insist on not getting a revolver, just make sure you get a good defensive caliber weapon. .22 is NOT a good defensive round. In autos, 9mm is the beginning of what is considered adequate. The two calibers that all experts agree are the best "one shot stoppers", are the .45 and the .357 magnum. And I am talking stictly for personal defense situations. There are more powerful rounds than these, but they over penetrate and do not spend all of their energy in a human size target. For a relatively mild recoil in an automatic, but with excellent ballistics, .40 SW is the current favorite. It is by far the most carried caliber by US police departments. Almost any manufacturer of handguns will have an assortment of models in .40SW to choose from. But remember, practice.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:14:

Thanks so much, Robert! I would most certainly practice with whichever one I decide to get.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:20:

oh no, here we go, when all was flirty and fun a nutter reals off intense informacion about gun stuff that realy fuels the argument against fire arms, I'm way ahead of this, next thing is , Its not the guns its the people, then " god bless america" rage on guys, or dudes.

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:22:

DONT choose guns.

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:22:

camp, get it right: 'Merica de Maravillosa!'

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:24:

Aw, come on... I was actually asking Robert about the guns. We can still be flirty AND talk about guns. :)

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:26:

A merica, ha, la verdad, the name of this site explains all !

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:27:

I'm wondering about all the MFM fotos above?

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:32:

La Camp - don't shut things down. When an attractive women asks me about guns, well, I get all nervous and excited. Don't rain on my parade.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:32:

Its like water off a ducks back, you rock and I wobble, ha, hablamos. Enjoy life or jitter, ha

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:37:

2 much temptation, here; better run por la cama!

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 17:38:

Aw come on, GS... you can't be scared of me!

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 6, 2007, 18:16:

Good grief travelingirl, your post has gone crazy since last night! LOL Good lookin woman asking about guns, set the board on fire!....For personal defense go for the H&K .40 compact. Perfect for a lady, light, accurate, plenty of stopping power, very little kick and superb manufacturing, I am sure RJ will concur.

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 18:28:

I know! I was thinking we might get a juicy conversation started especially after GS and Campina's posts, but I guess not.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 18:30:

Yep, I do. A Glock 23 (.40SW) also is another great choice. When you get into brands like HK and Glock, you can't go wrong really. They are extremely well built and reliable weapons.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 18:33:

Okay, so what's the price range for the HK and Glock? Do I have to buy it in the state I reside and where my drivers license was issued?

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 18:37:

Depends on the state. But generally, no, you do not have to buy in the state of your license issuance. Give me a second. I'll get specific info.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 18:39:

HOLY mother of lucifer, I've got it and man have I got it or hope to get it if you dont get it first, I get the same kind of rash on my palms when I see a hot chick playing the guitar regardless of her pentatonic scale knowledge or realy her general insight of music, get my drift, picture this, beach, gibson flying V ,scorching Caleña with all the chord structures, and rapid finger technique, cartagena with my guitar here I come!

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 18:42:

Ok, I just wanted to check first. You can purchase a long gun in any State you want. However, a handgun must be purchased in the State of your residence.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 18:51:

Ok, thanks for letting me know. Do you know if they make a note on your record every time the fbi or atf or whoever it is runs your background check thru at the store?

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billyb says on Dec 6, 2007, 18:59:

RJ, haven't seen you this excited since the bikini thread, jaja. GIB, not all the army is conscripts, most of the "elite" brigades are made up of professional soldiers. And lastly, if the soldiers you are looking at are wearing rubber boots, you are already fucked.

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lpdiver says on Dec 6, 2007, 19:04:

yeah I noticed that in the photos of the kidnap victims. Rubber boots...at least they issued them to the detainees as well.

t

"cook some rice!"

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billyb says on Dec 6, 2007, 19:06:

"Rubber boots...at least they issued them to the detainees as well."

Will the generosity of the FARC towards their fellow man never cease? :))

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lpdiver says on Dec 6, 2007, 19:09:

Hey maybe I'll follow in the footsteps of John Candy when he joined the army to lose weight.

Get FARC to kidnap me and whip me into shape and lose the pounds. Hey maybe that could be their ticket to future careers.

t

"cook some rice!"

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 19:17:

oh this is the last straw, I've just been caught red handed in my gas mask and wellington boots fumbling around in my speedo's and with a bow tie just thinking of long and short barrels.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 19:48:

There is a federal form you fill out. It is no big deal. As far as I know, there are no records kept when a background check is called in. Even if there were, so what? The data storage capacity needed to keep a record of all gun transferals in the US would be mind boggling. There are probably more guns in the US than people. As far as I know, the only records actually retained in a file by the BATF are title 2 and title 3 gun owners. (registered machine guns and destructive devices) Obviously this wouldn't pertain to you. I am curious why you would care though. When a background check is done, it actually just checks your record, or lack thereof. Unless you are a wanted felon or terrorist, etc., there would be no red flags, nothing put into your "record", no information retained, by the Feds.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 19:51:

I'm not a wanted felon or anything, haha. Just curious... I know someone with access to all sorts of top secret stuff and was wondering if he'd be able to see where I'd registered a gun (background check), went to Colombia (stamped passport), or anything government related. I mean, he knows what kind of cars people drive, where they live, student loans, etc. Sick.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 19:57:

this is the stuff espionage films are made of and me concerned why the pool is turning green, I think I need to re think my day to day curriculum and vanish to montana and raise me up a dental floss farm

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:18:

Campina, you made me laugh that time. :)

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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lpdiver says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:25:

nah camp just chlorinate the pool
t

"cook some rice!"

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john_stark says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:30:

It sounds like you are concerned about a specific individual.

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lpdiver says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:31:

me...nah don't worry be happy.

t

"cook some rice!"

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:33:

Eh, just wondering if he can find out every single thing I do.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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la campiña says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:34:

oh! so your all coming out of the sugar cane fields now, but where were you when I needed a shoulder to cry on .......... could of been the KORN fields , ha , rest easy tonight my offsprings, get the rok n' roll gig ?..............¿ aahh the upside down question mark, run for the hills, ( I could go on)

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:49:

The answer to what I think is your concern is "no", I don't think he would be able to access any information pertaining to a gun purchase. Electronically, no records are retained. The form you fill out is retained at the point of purchase, but that stays at the establishment. Nothing is sent to the BATF unless specifically asked for / audited by the BATF. If you are really concerned, it is perfectly legal to purchase a weapon from a private seller. No paperwork involved. It is totally legit, and you have every right to buy a used gun from a private person.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:52:

Yeah, I was wondering about that. If I buy a gun from a private person, how do you get it registered in your name? I mean, what if I pop a cap in some robber entering my house and then the authorities find out my gun isn't registered?

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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john_stark says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:52:

Damm, girl, sounds like an ex-husband or ex-boyfriend gone berserk. Are you planning to sleep with it under your pillow until he's breaking down the door? That's too much craziness, I'd get out of Dodge.

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 20:55:

HAHA! I'm not worried about my ex boyfriend coming after me at all. Just if he can find out my business thru his work. I just want the gun b/c I think it would be the smart thing to do, living by myself. Plus, I saw my first drive-by over the summer (not in my city) and slept with a butcher knife under my bed for a while... and I know, that wouldn't help me at all if I had an intruder.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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bartolo_colon says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:14:

Umm, a butcher knife? Good lord...might I suggest purchasing a kick ass dog? Pitbull or Rotweiller or some exotic Japanese fighting dog.

Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:15:

LOL. I'm over the butcher knife phase. That was just for a couple of nights. Although I was interested to see all the rotweillers in Bogota with the military/police. I saw a lot around the Univ. de los Andes area.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:23:

There is no such thing as "gun registration". You can't take a legitimately purchased weapon to an authority, and have it registered. Of course there are local laws all over the US that are exceptions to this rule, but federally, there is no registration of weapons outside of machine guns and other federally regulated weapons (short barreled shotguns, sound suppressors, etc.)

If you buy a used gun, shoot somebody, the authorities are not going to go after the person who sold it to you. Unless they sold it to you with the knowledge that you were a felon, legally couldn't own a gun, etc. In other words, if you are an honest, law abiding person buying a weapon from another honest, law abiding person, both of you are fine.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:24:

Ok. No idea why I thought all guns had to be "registered".

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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john_stark says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:31:

RJ is right. Depending on where you live there may be a local law requiring registration.

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:35:

All right, I'll just have to look in to it. Since I live in Dixie, I'm thinking there might not be a local registration. hehe I should surf the net...

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:39:

Sweet, the state I currently live in has no registration law nor does my home state.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:48:

It is very common for people to think that here in the US. If I comment further, it will get political, and I don't want to wake up that monster. The reason (perhaps) why you thought there was a such thing as a registered gun is that the term is used constantly in the media. For example: "The shooter had an unregistered weapon." It sounds more sinister. They should say, "He had an unregistered rifle, because there is no such thing as a 'registered rifle'."

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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john_stark says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:50:

Yeah, RJ, don't go there.

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 21:56:

Yeah, let's not go down the political route b/c I hate arguments. At least now I know that I won't be doing anything against the law.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 22:19:

Good to know your mind is at ease. By the way, if there is a certain handgun you are looking for, let me know. PM me. I have several sources for near wholesale prices. But, generally there is not a lot of mark-up in guns anyway. So it's not like you would save hundreds of dollars. But you might save a $100, or $75? If you have a Bass Pro Shop around you, they have a good selection and will help you out, without pressure.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 6, 2007, 22:26:

There is a Bass Pro but it is in another state, however there's another store very similar to Bass Pro in my state (huge building with all sorts of BubbaFlage)... can't remember the name of it. I'll probably just go there.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 22:40:

oh! jeeze! I have missed a small story here

Colombia es

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 22:44:

If you want JUICY CONVERSATION... you gotta wait up for El modefoque... en la manana. Me? Hey, I run myself right straight through to...............TROUBLE.

Colombia es

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 22:46:

CHORDS ON THE (MY) ORGAN:

HOLY mother of lucifer, I've got it and man have I got it or hope to get it if you dont get it first, I get the same kind of rash on my palms when I see a hot chick playing the guitar regardless of her pentatonic scale knowledge or realy her general insight of music, get my drift, picture this, beach, gibson flying V ,scorching Caleña with all the chord structures, and rapid finger technique, cartagena with my guitar here I come!

Campinñaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Colombia es

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 22:48:

ALMOST COMPLETELY DAMAGED MY KEYBOARD..........FOREVER:

oh this is the last straw, I've just been caught red handed in my gas mask and wellington boots fumbling around in my speedo's and with a bow tie just thinking of long and short barrels.

Colombia es

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 22:51:

run for the hills, ( I could go on)

PLEASE SPARE US!

Colombia es

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lpdiver says on Dec 6, 2007, 23:23:

goin_south...dammit man now you went and did it with your conversation about guitar playing girls. I had to go and watch Robert Palmers addicted to love. Man with those five girls all done up to match with the red lipstick and nails and black pumps and matching black dresses....A version with Colombianas would prolly kill me.

t

"cook some rice!"

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 23:34:

Colombia es

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 23:35:

my conversation about ............ guitar playin girls... tony???
that was La_Camp

Colombia es

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 23:39:

Palmer needs.................... todas colombianas... en su peliculas musicas!

Colombia es

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 6, 2007, 23:41:

He needs to be alive. He passed away two years ago. Heart attack.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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goin_south says on Dec 6, 2007, 23:44:

OH? To bad for him and us.

Colombia es

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miamimike says on Dec 7, 2007, 10:46:

Though not a Military Issue weapon, I have always been a fan of the Model 29 S&W ina 44 magnum, 8 inch barrel and that was Before Clint Eastwood popularized the Caliber and weapon. I waited 1 year to buy one in the Early 70s and payed retail $275 when it finally arrived.Not the "World's Most Powerful Handgun" of its era as he quipped but ONE of the Most Powerful. One Look at this massive Piece, Pyschologically, I still think it still holds that distiction! In his one movie where this Gun is immorialized in the Scene when he jokes with the Punk "Do you feel Lucky, well do you? Guys/Gals, they don't get any better then this!

Clint's Kodak Moments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-0BVT4cqGY&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqL7n55t-oE&feature=related

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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goin_south says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:02:

I have a hard time not shooting myself in the foot with a camera...
.... But As for Guns.....
... I always liked something a lil more comically romantic like... 'THE MEXICAN'.

Colombia es

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travelingirl says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:41:

I've actually never seen that movie.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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miamimike says on Dec 7, 2007, 21:40:

TG--Please see the Movie, its an American Icon or I should say, the phrase Clint used in the Movie has become an American Icon,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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billyb says on Dec 7, 2007, 21:51:

Mike, not only is that scene an icon, but the movie "dirty harry" is also an icon.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 7, 2007, 22:47:

Miamimike ... I think a .44 Mag might have been the most powerful handgun round back in the early 70s. I am dead tired, and can't think real good right now: but I don't think there was ever an "exclusively handgun round" made that was more powerful than the .44 magnum until the .50 Action Express a few years ago. Sure, a person could buy a bolt action pistol in hunting calibers like .308, 7mm Mag, .243, .30-06, etc., but those were single shot pistols with rifle type bolt actions that were made used exclusively for hunting. The rounds were originally rifle calibers, and the pistols that were chambered in such calibers were basically shortened rifles meant for hunting only.

By the way, the .44 Mag is sick, and ridiculously powerful. I love it.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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miamimike says on Dec 8, 2007, 06:37:

RJ-the AutoMag Pistol( a huge semi-auto) may have had a slightly larger caliber at the time. There were a few not in standard production pistols in bigger calibers. Thompson conternder(single shot break open pistols) offered the interchangeable barrels in many rifle calibers. His QUIP MAY HAVE BEEN CORRECT IF HE was referring to the most Powerful Standard Production Pistol(revolver) in manufacture and at the time, S&W may have clarified that point soon aftrwards. I still own its little brother, a Pre-War K-22 masterpiece in a 22 Cal. 44 Mag long gone!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 8, 2007, 09:03:

I was including the Thompson contender with "hunting handguns". You can drop a .300 Win Mag in one of those for Pete's sake. But that isn't a carry weapon. And the calibers aren't handgun calibers. They are generally high powered rifle rounds, meant for hunting large game.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 8, 2007, 09:10:

The "automag" was basically a rare handgun, made by 3 manufacturers, and shot a "wildcat" cartridge, which means it was homemade. And the power of the automag cartridge was identicle to a .44 Mag. I pulled the following info off a website:

The .44 Auto Mag cartridge was introduced in the ill-fated Auto Mag pistol in 1971. Its rimless, straight wall case was formed by reducing the length of the .308 Winchester case (or any other member of the .30-06 family) to 1.30 inches. The .44 Auto Mag was designed to shoot .429 inch bullets at about the same velocity as the .44 Magnum. No U.S. manufacturer has offered a factory loading for this cartridge, but cases were once available from a Mexican firm of Cartuchos Deportivos Mexico.

The gas operated Auto Mag featured a rotary bolt with locking lugs located at the front , much the same design as the later Wildey and Desert Eagle autoloader. Like those two, it was an extremely massive and heavy firearm designed to give handgun hunters .44 Magnum power from an autoloader. The cartridge was an excellent move in the right direction in the 70's, but the gun was short lived due to a variety of reasons.

Like its ballistic twin the .44 Magnum, the .44 Auto Mag is powerful enough to be used on game such as deer and black bear at woods ranges. Whether or not one should go to the trouble of doing so today is questionable. Forming the case requires a set of custom dies from RCBS, an inside neck reamer, and plenty of spare time. If not for the availability of dependable autoloaders in .44 Magnum and .45 Winchester Magnum, the .44 Auto Mag concept would probably still be a good idea.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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john_stark says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:29:

Excellent thread. You've got to love heavy duty weapon talk. It makes me want to start rubbing my gun.

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deathnova says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:30:

Someone made a comment about our woodland camo being replaced by digi. This is not entirely true, only for the Army and Marines. The Navy and Air Force still use "old school" camo.

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 8, 2007, 21:05:

Partially true deathnova. I live outside of the largest AFB in the world. I see plenty of the old woodland camo BDUs. But, I also see plenty of the digital fatigues too. More and more of them everyday. I know the spec ops guys at Hurlburt are issued the digis. Anyway, lots of Air force personnel are being issued the new uniforms. I guess it just isn't mandatory yet for them to be worn. Or maybe the new camo is being slowly implemented in the Air force while it was a rapid transition in the Army, etc???

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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deathnova says on Dec 8, 2007, 21:47:

Lackland?

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deathnova says on Dec 8, 2007, 21:47:

Lackland?

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 8, 2007, 21:51:

Nope. Eglin AFB, northwest Florida.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 8, 2007, 21:59:

Eglin reservation is 3/4s of Okaloosa County, 1/2 of Walton County, and 1/2 of Santa Rosa County. Their airspace is about 1/2 of the entire Gulf of Mexico. The bases on the reservation, or nearby, include: Hurlburt Field, home of the Airforce Special Forces, Eglin AFB, Duke Field, Pcola NAS - home of the Blue Angels, Tyndal AFB in Panama City - home of the Raptor, and a couple of others. Plus, Eglin now is home for the Army green berets and other spec ops. Eglin is where the infamous MOAB was first tested in 2002. Fort Rucker, Alabama is not too far either. Those guys are choppers up there. (Army)

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Robert Jorge says on Dec 8, 2007, 22:16:

101,000 square miles of airspace. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/eglin.htm

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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travelingirl says on Dec 9, 2007, 01:04:

Just as the Army and Marines have their own specific digital camo, the Air Force will have their own as well. I believe it has actually already made its debut but as usual, it won't be made mandatory for a few more years. To me, it resembles the old tiger stripe camo. The Navy is getting their own digital camo as well. It will be more blue/gray instead of green.

Around her hair she wore a yellow ribbon...

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deathnova says on Dec 9, 2007, 10:39:

travelingirl,

Navy special forces, security forces, Seabees, etc. will stay with "old school" camo.