I Smell A Rat

isaactraveler says on Jan 13, 2005, 19:08:

IF you really want to meet some lovely ladies Join Amigos.com or Matchlatino, and seek them out there. Try being honest, and say that you are looking for penpals and friends, and someone to be a guide/friend while you are visiting.

That is how I met my wife to be. We met as friends first, and she knew I had planned to travel to other places as well (never made it). The women there arent dumb. But you will meet exactly who you deserve, if your intentions arent honest.

peace out.
Ringo

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calipro says on Jan 13, 2005, 19:27:

I smell a rat also...... Where do you get the $150 for a phone number?

For $450 you can get a yearly membership and meet every woman in the agency if you have time and that is the best deal in Cali bar done.

As far as my impassioned defense of the "Gringos Dating Caleñas Phenomenon", I have to tell you that I don't believe your Cali experiance will be anything like mine but then again I don't know how it could be. I have been traveling regularly to Cali for over ten years.

I'll be taking a guy down to Cali March 10th. He doesn't want to even date the women. He just wants to take pictures of them. It takes all kinds I guess.

What are you looking for? Better yet if I gave you a phone number for free what would you say to the woman?

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dragonhf says on Jan 13, 2005, 19:46:

I don´t see anything wrong with that biz I agree with both of you. Everything depends on what you are looking for. Like I said in my post, both part is using each other. And it don´t necesary have to be a bad thing.
Calipro, if you have a number or email to much, send it over man, :-)

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caslug says on Jan 13, 2005, 19:51:

albatross, why don't you.. joing a internet dating site as issac suggested. Put you profile up, w/ pics and send email out. It's a lot cheaper than paying $450/yr for memebersip. Or you can do what some guys do with great succcess, go to cali, hang out in public places and talk english to someone or on the mobile. You'll be suprise at how many smile you'll get.

But since CP is giving you numbers for free, just get it from him. At least you know from his pics his taste in women is OK. YOu can date em AND take pics! Make sure to post it like CP, for the rest of us guys that can't make it to Cali yet. LOL. BTW, unless your spanish is decent, it'll be difficult to hook up.

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adela says on Jan 13, 2005, 20:34:

Albatross: just some advi
Albatross: just some advices from a caleña who used to match friends for fun(now I am thinking to have that as a agency..not sure).

Yeah, Caslug and Isaac are right. You just sing in in those sites for penpal or saying clearly that you look for a guide in your visit to Cali.If you are looking for more than hot days in good company or are considering honest friendship/before choose the girl(s) you liked more:

Pay attention:
1. What kind of pictures she is able to send you (almost nacked? ); with family?

2. If your spanish is not enough for a understandable conversation, try to contact someone bilingüal girl as possible.

3. Try to have her family phone and office phone as possible

4. Is the girl talking about some former boyfriend often? (She probably did not break with him and are still in love, so you can forget about her)

5. Does she knows most salsa night clubes here? She probably dated very often and drinks with company...

oh..I got to go...

Màs fe, màs abrazos, màs besos, màs disculpas, màs visitas a nuestros amigos antiguos nos haràn màs plenos cada vez.

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lpdiver says on Jan 14, 2005, 03:41:

I met my wife I wasn't looking for love or companionship either. We couldn't speak twenty words between us. We are married with a baby on the way three years later.

Just go relax and enjoy life. I am sure you will be happy with your vacation if you have this attitude.

Tony

"cook some rice!"

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Albatross says on Jan 14, 2005, 04:27:

I Smell A Rat Also ...? The $150.00 is listed right in the website, it allows you six phone numbers (or addresses, I guess). Anyway, it's not about the money... I just don't like pimps.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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isaactraveler says on Jan 14, 2005, 04:38:

pimps gotta eat too how do you make your money? Just curious. I am in sales. some people think that because I make a commission on transactions, I am also a pimp. It seems that I should give my 15 years of real estate knowlege and my training expenses for free everytime someone wants "a deal"

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umm says on Jan 14, 2005, 04:39:

I dont know, actually there are not so many rats to smell in Cali.
But in Buenaventura there are a lot of rats.

UMM

My Forum

viewpoint says on Jan 14, 2005, 04:49:

Albatross You need to appreciate the fact that they are running a "for profit" business which doesn't make them pimps. They shouldn't expect an Albatross around their neck expecting everything for nothing. Recently there was a poster (gringo) visiting Medellin complaining about the difficulty in meeting women when he could have invested US$100 with an introduction service and been personally introduced to 10 women of his choice (picking from several hundred).

You can join amigos.com but you need to realize that a solid 15-20% of the great looking women are looking for other women (not men), and of the remainder they are looking primarily for hispanic men. The women on that site are not just parked there waiting for a gringo to email them a message in english (or spanish).

At least the introduction services bring women that want to meet gringos together with the target of their interest. Many will debate the quality of the different processes and women but I for one think it makes no difference if you are a good judge of character.

I don't mind smelling a rat once in awhile as part of my defenses but I just don't want to taste one. jajajaja

As I have said before in posts, knowing what I know now I would never look for a Colombian woman that didn't have a USA tourist visa, totally fluent in english and educated in a english speaking university. Having said that, the chances of those women having any interest in me is slim to none. Anyway, too late for me to employ that wisdom.

As you will learn the greatest problem is not meeting women in Colombia but rather what to do after you have met the one you can't live without. Bridging the cutural and language divide is easier said than done.

Take a closer look at that brown eyed black haired girl or woman you met last week that speaks spanish and english living in your country as the chances of a relationship with her succeeding are better than someone from a different culture and language. It's like opening a restaurant nine out of ten of them fail or you wish you hadn't opened them in the first place.

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calipro says on Jan 14, 2005, 05:27:

Lost in space... The $150 is for a personal listing. The agency advertises "you" so women can write you first. It also comes with six e-mail addresses of women from the agency.

Personally I don't reccmmend the service. The women that would write a complete sranger aren't exactly what I would call the cream of the crop. But, if you have a fear of rejection, it's an option.

"Anyway, it's not about the money... I just don't like pimps."

That's Ok. I don't like whores.

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Albatross says on Jan 14, 2005, 05:53:

Frustrated Gringo I'm an Airframe Engineer. And I know you can't expect something for nothing... I certainly don't work for free. Maybe I'm overreacting slightly, I'm just tired of being treated like a stupid Gringo - last August in the Dominican Republic, a taxi driver charged me TEN TIMES the normal rate to take me to the emergency room, but I was bleeding like a stuck pig so what could I do...?

I know that the word "pimp" is less than perfect, but it's not too far off either. But I suppose the truth is that if I thought there was a decent chance of meeting someone special, I'd go ahead and pay the "agency".

Calipro, since you did in fact mention this site to illustrate "two real life examples", I assumed that you were tacitly recommending it. (And yea, $150 for 6 addresses... thats what I said.. so whats with the "Lost In Space"...?)

P.S. Whores gotta eat too...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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viewpoint says on Jan 14, 2005, 06:39:

Albatross Being treated like a stupid gringo goes with the territory when you are exisiting outside your element. Just grin, bear it and more importantly learn from it. It makes you stronger and smarter as you move forward. Anything that doesn't kill you will make your stronger.

I once took the ex-wife of a pro basketball player (high maintenance) out to dinner in Seattle and the bill (including tip) was $580. From then on I learned to control the wine list as some bottles of wine can cost $180 each (or more). The next time we went to dinner and the wine steward started to hand her the wine list I told him that he better give the wine list to me or I would break every bone in his body. We then proceeded to discover the quality of $40 bottles of wine. jajaja

You wouldn't think twice about taking a woman to dinner in the USA and spending $100 (or more) but we hesitate at spending the same amount to meet 10 women in person that have no material or financial expectations from that meeting other than meeting you. People will take issue with this post but (in my experience) I have never seen any difference in quality (inside and outside) between women frequenting the introduction services to meet a gringo and the websites like amigos.com or someone casually introduced to me. I have met dozens from both and they are the same only the introduction services focuses their interest directly to the foreign men. Writing an email to an amigos.com woman will more than likely not even get a response unless you live in their country and speak their language.

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calipro says on Jan 14, 2005, 06:51:

I feel like I'm beating this into the ground.... The $150 is for a personal listing. You know advertising your personal data and contact information so women can write you first. The 6 addresses are just an added bonus.

I do recommend joining allcolombiangirls. It is actually the most economical and best agency in Cali, IMHO. I just don't recommend the personal listing unless you can't just pick out women you would like to meet from the agency profiles without fear of rejection. With the personal listing, women contact you first. You know women that don't have anything better to do then contact a perfect stranger in hopes of some how developing a serious relationship. The whole thing just sounds scary to me.

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Albatross says on Jan 14, 2005, 07:57:

... Well, thanks to all for the advise... and I liked the wine anecdote, Viewpoint; It reminded me of a similar occurance in Budapest a few years ago. After two drinks with a lady, I was presented with a $200 bill (about $50 for a bad gin & tonic). I protested to the goon squad running the place and ended up paying only about $150. I read later that the Hungarian Government had begun to crack down on these tourist traps; apparently some tourists actually had gotten beaten up when they resisted paying... not exactly the best thing for tourism.

In Retrospect, "I Smell A Rat" probably wasn't really the best way to begin this forum...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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tzion says on Jan 14, 2005, 08:31:

CALIPRO: "...women contact you first. You know women that don't have anything
better to do then contact a perfect stranger in hopes of some how developing
a serious relationship. The whole thing just sounds scary to me."

And why is it perfectly fine for men to do that exact thing?

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cremaster says on Jan 14, 2005, 09:10:

Adela If you open an agency in Cali, allow me to be your first customer!

Patrick

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adela says on Jan 14, 2005, 11:26:

Cremaster jaja...hopefuly! My idea of an agency it is because I love to match people, no matter if the person is not asking me for that. My brothers, cousins and friends have realized what I mean.

The other hand is how to start? Could I use my 6th sense in an interview asking the propect girls for that kind of secret questions in psichoanlytical way? Oh..My dear Sigmund Freud could be my partner jaja

Màs fe, màs abrazos, màs besos, màs disculpas, màs visitas a nuestros amigos antiguos nos haràn màs plenos cada vez.

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isaactraveler says on Jan 14, 2005, 11:37:

steal info from other agencies adela

as long as you take a personal interest in matching and qualifying on BOTH sides, I think you will be a success. I see your interest and the fact that you can speak english will really help.

make sure you send any naked photos my way for proofing.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 11:41:

ha ha adela You'll fix'em up and I'll take their greenbacks...how's that for a business proposal?
Calipro can take the pics, and isaac could scan them.
webman arranges the meetups.
Are you game?
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 11:55:

I think some guy already does this... Walter Mora, I believe is his name and I think he has a website.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:01:

who is walter mora?
Cheers,
Desi
(I can't believe I'm actually talking to people who call themselves cochino666...but the question is for tinto)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:06:

I think Walter Mora is a guy whose name came up on Cali Gringo a long time ago. Apparently, he sells his time and just walks around shopping malls in Cali trying to pick up women for Gringos.

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isaactraveler says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:08:

hey adela that is a great idea. Desi has a house that would be pretty good for this kind of thing, if she has her bed-n-breakfast set up. The hardest thing for a visiting gringo to find is a good (non-hotel) place to stay that is more homey and private.

talk more to desi ( I think she is making overtures towards this)

and yes, I will scan all naked photos.

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:08:

HA! What a loser, I bet he makes good money though... I apologise in advance if he has any friends in this forum...

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:10:

What about me? Can I be the girl with the hairy armpits cursing at any gringo that goes in the agency? Auto-Ouch...

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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Albatross says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:10:

:( He's my dad...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:13:

maybe we ought to look him up...with the pig selling the fat ones to FARC and me housing them bed and breakfast we should need all the help we can get with the 2-5 gringos that roam the malls of Cali...
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:15:

lauthra why don't we post our armpits in our personal gallery? Just to make a point?
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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nanis says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:16:

and my uncle he introduced me to my gringo husband and albatros is my long lost cousin

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:17:

Desi I'd take about a month to make them hairy and Barry would dump me...EEEWW

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:18:

yes nato but don't they sell those artificial hairpieces in Colombia too?
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:19:

Hmmm.... I'll look into them. But enough of my armpits its making me cringe way to much.
Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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stanmoonie says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:28:

Is this not your business? I was wondering don't you own this business you are pushing?

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:29:

Feckin hell... From the page 2 on there's nothing but a bunch of pigs!
Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 12:36:

Calipro Isnt the girl on the picture in the far right one of your 'girls', with another bloke?
http://www.personalmeetings.com/testimony.html
Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 13:25:

or is it you in the one of the pictures in the middle? (calipro) Hard to tell...
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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caslug says on Jan 14, 2005, 13:49:

oink, oink! What's the PIG deal, so what if some overweight old guy is hooking up w/ chicas in Cali. The way i look at it, everyone benefit except posters who complain. Come-on, the girls get free/fun night out on the town, the old dude, gets fun time, and walter makes some dinero, heck even the clubs & restaurant are making money. So who loose in this exchange? And if some true love comes out of it, that's a bonus. You gotta meet people someone, they certainly don't just show up at your door. Of course maybe Walter offer that as a service. LOL!

In the US, they have a service like this. There was a story about this company that provides you with a "wingman/wingwomen" for a fee. That person goes with you to a event, talks to women/guys you you like, then introduces you to them. No one in the US, even bat an eyebrow over this new service.

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 14, 2005, 13:52:

What's the problem with these web sites?? You can buy everything else on line---why shouldn't you be able to by a spouse? I mean, men in this country (US) are buying spouses everyday aren't they? You never heard of good looking women dating and marry men (good looking and ugly) just to reap the rewards of marrying a mean that is "well-off"?

Really, what the hell difference does it make. In fact marrying on line is even better. If things don't work out within a short period of time, he can just send her back to Colombia and not be financialy liable for a thing. So there

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 13:57:

Like thousands of others, I bought my car on eBay, sight unseen. Flew down to Houston and drove it home. They need to put potential spouses on eBay, too. ;-)

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 13:58:

PIGS I was refering to the girls...Not fat, just plain ugly, of course in the first page most of them claim to be 'models', and some are quite cute but it's all down hill from there...

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 14:00:

Tinto They had online girlfriends for a bit and banned it before Barry and I were able to make a few quid with it...

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 14:07:

but then again every 18-year-old with artificially enhanced figure in Cali claims to be a model. Some of them are, for sure. Some of them would like to be.
Most of these girls (now I'm going to be hit hard) look like the girls who used to work in my kitchen. Nothing's basically wrong with that; I used to have some fairly attractive maids, especially on Sunday mornings when they dressed up to go meet their friends on their day off. I could have gotten some fashion tips from them. I am totally convinced that my employees were more fashion-conscious than me.

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Lauthra says on Jan 14, 2005, 14:14:

I know What in school we used to call 'guisas', not a nice thing to be called in Cali... I have to agree with Desi, but that's exotic for a foreign eye.

Nato ;)

Nato (='.'=)

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Albatross says on Jan 14, 2005, 14:15:

:o I wish I had a Colombiana "maid" right now...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Lionheart says on Jan 14, 2005, 14:23:

online dating I really don't understand what the big issue is. Do a search for dating services/agencies and you will see that there are more online dating services and agencies in the USA than in all Latin America together. Plenty of gringas and gringos there looking for their dreampartners. You get videos, webcam conferences, and more, for just a few bucks per year, with or without matchmakers.

So why shouldn't Colombians and Colombianas also use the internet or agencies to find a potential partner? Be careful when you throw rocks when you sit in a glass house.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 14, 2005, 14:50:

my house has been shattered a thousand times over. I don't mind. Just gives me a chance to build a new one. I'm not against on-line dating; have no issues there. I think it's just peachy if people who otherwise don't find their soul mates have a chance finding them on-line.
I only have issues with people who take advantage of other people; emotionally, economically or morally. You're not one of them, so don't care.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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YEP says on Jan 14, 2005, 15:34:

Rat's make nice pets actually ;-)
How's that for a "rebound" on the original headline of this thread :D


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Gomezman5 says on Jan 14, 2005, 16:33:

Lionheart.......exactly Good God!! Has anyone heard of Match.com or Yahoo personals???
These two, alone have more people signed up as members than all the Latin dating services together.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 14, 2005, 18:33:

Colombians do use the internet services. If you go to the sites like date.com, match.com, amigos.com you'll find more Colombianas than any gringo loser could imagine. You have a gringo husband, Mrs. Gomez? No, you're teasing. You don't need one of those losers.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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lpdiver says on Jan 15, 2005, 04:16:

Tinto,,,, Actually some butt ugly (but not as ugly as me) gringo did that a few years back and got quite a few responses. E-bay has a policy against it though. It made national news for his 15 minutes of fame.

"cook some rice!"

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