I Know Many will not like this Information but here it is " Racismo En Cali"

august says on Aug 12, 2008, 12:09:

And this one as well. Resourceful as always, thanks.

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GregYohn says on Aug 12, 2008, 14:25:

Hola!

I know there is racial discrimination in Cali! My GF's sister said find me an American, but he need not apply if he is Black!

Their Aunt had an affair with a Black guy under 18 when she was married. It broke up that marriage and their Grandmother basically disowned her 2 children from that man!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

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RJQuilla says on Aug 12, 2008, 14:50:

I say.........Why is that?????

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GregYohn says on Aug 12, 2008, 14:56:

Hola!

My landlord spent $7,000 during his last trip to the Philippines.

He was from Jamaica, so he was not wanted.

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

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RJQuilla says on Aug 12, 2008, 15:04:

No love there either.......man I was thinking about going but the airfare is high. Would really be hating life to have that happen. I dont understand.......you know. I take a bath, shave and dress nice but in some cases it just doesnt matter!!!! Man!!!!!! lol

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rocinante says on Aug 12, 2008, 16:10:

RJ you look clean to me.

There's racism all over Colombia.

I can see someone having their preferences so there is a grey area or fine line in SOME cases. I have an American friend who ONLY dates Asian women - Chinese, Japanese, Korean.... He won't even give a second look to any Victoria's Secret model - I'm serious. He doesn't even see these hot women on the street if they aren't Asian.

Is he prejudice? If he were Asian himself is he prejudice? If he were African American is he prejudice?

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GregYohn says on Aug 12, 2008, 21:04:

Hola!

My GF said Swedish women are better looking than women from Colombia!

There are indigeneous and Black women in Colombia, but my GF's amiga is indigeneous and does not like White guys. interracial dating is more common in the USA.

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

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goin_south says on Aug 12, 2008, 22:37:

yep; I'm prejudiced.... admittedly,... to women of at least a little color...
The pink and pale stuff... jus don't do it for me, or to me.

RJ,... you look more like: The Bone Crusher... lol, maybe that's got something to do with it.

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la campiña says on Aug 12, 2008, 22:51:

I' ve just got back from ladrilleros my 6th time their, live in cali , tired now , bored, GET a LIFE listen to the howling english white man, of course shit happens here in colombia , thats why I am .................... why the uck should I explain to you , get out their touch and taste the gente, y la tiera oopphh this could be my last post ,,,,,,,,, soooooo bored with the same old shite, ahckahckahck chibchombianossssssssssss, colobichesssssssssss

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romy says on Aug 12, 2008, 22:59:

I had a wonderful surprise on my podcast today...

"When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" (http://www.juntosociety.com/hist_speeches/mlkihad.html)

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goin_south says on Aug 12, 2008, 23:16:

La_Camp; was that a 'mensaje de su salido'?
""te, y la tiera oopphh this could be my last post ,,,,,,,,, soooooo bored ""

Why Not Colombia?..........Stay Tuned, for more.... utterly worthless, self-indulgent gobbets of nonsense.

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tomtom33 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 13, 2008, 04:33:

GregYohn says on Aug 13, 2008, 08:40:

Hola!

I was speaking with my GF from Cali and she said many of the people from the rural villages come to the Agua Blanca section of Cali.The city has helped that section by providing electricity and other services. Sometimes poverty and a poor education is worsened by racism, but sometimes racism is thought to occur when poverty and a poor education affect getting a job.

In the USA white people do not rush into all Black neighborhoods. They called me a minority when I lived in N. Philly! I saw the Agua Blanca section to be about 100% Black, so I can understand the feeling of race being a problem there too!

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

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RJQuilla says on Aug 13, 2008, 16:12:

South, you think? LOL

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mimimimimi says on Aug 14, 2008, 12:11:

and i thought cali was black peoples haven, well because of the quantity...hahaha oh shit colombia is getting insane, never knew this thing was happening. thats why colombia has so much violence because of the high intolerance towards other human beings and i thank hell the rest of the world doesnt behave like that or else i would have real problems living here if people excluded me , Im glad in here they take the person and what you really are and not classify you according to skin or nationality...puff

AGAIN I HAVE TO REPEAT!!----*****theres no white people on colombiaaaaaaaa ,goddamn no way!!!!---**** they should have a trip up here and see who is the dark one so STUPID

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 14, 2008, 12:25:

And yet, Cali is the least racist Colombian city. There's a small upper class of the descendants of what used to be the former sugar barons and industrials bosses of the city that is pretty closed to everybody from outside (they love European people to death though, but look slightly down on gringos) and they may well be considered racist too, but they¨re more class-conscious than racist. Poor, uneducated white are shut outside and shunned just as much.

Otherwise, yes, there's racism in Cali like there's racism in all Colombia. There's sexism also, and agism. There's all kinds of discriminatory practices on the job market. Old habits die hard. The vices of the bygone generation are carried on. But it's getting better, it's changing, slowly but surely.

The video clip was from Distrito de Aguablanca. That's a problem by itself; with all the displaced people from the puerto, Buenaventura, most of them with minimal education and with the unemployment rates of Cali being what they are, its's a breeding ground for street gangs and criminality. Colombia needs to address the problem of its 4 million displaced people asap.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Monpirri says on Aug 14, 2008, 12:33:

Why do they love European people to death? Why do they love countries that are playing a major role in preventing peace in Colombia? I mean like underground support to guerrillas.

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tomtom33 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 14, 2008, 12:39:

romy says on Aug 14, 2008, 13:13:

actually thanks to the poor is that Uribe is president (you consider right wing, no?)... these people are easier to extort...

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2008, 15:04:

"they love European people to death though,"

I think you are trying to flatter yourself a little here LOL>

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 14, 2008, 15:30:

Nah, BillyB. I felt a little embarrassed with all that adoration.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 14, 2008, 15:33:

It's a well-known fact that...
the upper class in Colombia looks to Europe for inspiration, the middle class looks to USA and the low class to Mexico....

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2008, 15:47:

Nah Desi, it might just look that way to an outsider.

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romy says on Aug 14, 2008, 15:50:

yeah I'm not buying this overgeneralization either... I wouldn't fit into any class

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 14, 2008, 16:02:

Nah, Billyb...who's the outsider? You?

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 14, 2008, 16:03:

Romy....you don't have fit into any class. That's the benefit you get for not living in Colombia.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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romy says on Aug 14, 2008, 16:05:

My family lives there... same thing applies to them. we're nationalists if anything.

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webmanco says on Aug 14, 2008, 17:09:

Viva México, wait a minute Low Class, :-) I better switch to Europe

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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august says on Aug 14, 2008, 17:38:

Back to the original post and what was mentioned in the video, I've been thinking for a long time that simply passing and enforcing a law against the general requirement to attach a picture to CVs would do all kinds of good things for decreasing inequality in Colombia. Getting rid of the need to include an address on a CV would also be good, but more difficult.

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billyb says on Aug 14, 2008, 18:20:

Desi desi, just accept the fact that you were on the outside looking in. And you'll always be. Time to move on and be happy.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 15, 2008, 00:23:

They rolled out the red carpet for me, billyB. I don't know why it hurts you so much to hear it. I'm happy with it, never better.

August, yes, I was going to say the very same thing. Attaching a photo to a job application is discriminatory. As a matter of fact, the part they ask for personal information should be minimal. No picture, no age, race, no marital status.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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manINred says on Aug 15, 2008, 00:44:

It wouldn't surprise me to hear that Cali is the least racist city in Colombia.

But I don't believe that lower-class Colombians look up to Mexico. I've never heard a Colombian say anything good about Mexico. They'd sooner look up to Colombia, their own country.

Most Colombians will look up to US, and some of the more educated ones will look to places like Australia, Canada and Europe, but perhaps that's more to be different than anythign else, or perhaps they get tired of the obnoxious tia who thinks she's god's gift to Colombia just because she lives in Miami or New York, of which there are many.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 15, 2008, 01:01:

It's an old saying in Colombia about the countries and social classes, I don't know how much truth there is in it. It may well be one of those generation things...people of the barrios used to love Mexican movies, Cantinflas, Pedro Infante and Mexican music, especially rancheras at 3 a.m, when the guitars come out and everybody thinks they can sing El Rey or La Araña.

I heard a lot of talk about wanting to go to Europe last time, 2 years ago in Cali. People wanted to live in Spain, visit France and England. Everybody seemed to know somebody who was living in Spain.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2008, 04:44:

europe??????
these so called "wealthy" (indios habla mierda) colombians go to europe ONLY cus they got turned down dozens of times at the USA embassy, then they ask canada then mexico and the final choice is europe

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2008, 04:48:

if i may,
let me speak like the low life that i am
You have to beat me with a 2X4 upside the head for two hours straight before you get me to board a plane heading to london or spain, europe

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2008, 04:50:

putting my ass in london is like a fly landing in a bowl of milk

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2008, 04:54:

all these dominicans, ecuadorians colombians etc. end up in spain ONLY and ONLY cus they got rejected by USA , PUNTO!!!!!!!!
5 years ago my nephew got turned down by USA in bogota , they told him to try Spain.
He said 'FOK NO, PA ESO ME QUEDO EN BARRANQUILLA!" and he did

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 15, 2008, 05:03:

My dear Mr. DeFoque,
you cannot even pretend to speak for Colombians and their preferences. Your parents made the choice for you and you have turned that choice into a preference. Had youffather dragged your young ass to London instead or Paris, at that impressionable age, you'd be as French as Madame Betancourt now.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2008, 05:05:

there are great number of dominicans living in spain, EUROPE
we are talking DOMINICANS, these modefoques can't even point out europe on a fokin map all they know from is NUEVA YOLK.
You think they wanted to end up in SPAIN?
HELLLLLL FOKKINNNNNN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
the same goes for these indios colombianos y ecuatorianos

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2008, 05:14:

desi mi reina.
like most from the sunny warm part of colombia i hate rain, i hate dark cloudy days. if had ended up in europe i'll be all over the news as the first colombian who plundged to his death from the very top of the london bridge

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2008, 05:21:

could you imagine all them dominicans on their dirt floor, casa de madera planning their exodus to europe. me encanta las primaveras en europa, la lluvia me facina.
COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!eso es ridiCULO
before they ended up in europe their boat sank off the puerto rican coast tryin to enter USA illegaly half a dozen fokin times
al final and outta desperation they chose Spain
same goes for all them indios ecuatorianos y colombianos there

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on Aug 15, 2008, 05:40:

oh wait,maybe these are "wealthy" dominicans
every third world modefoque wants to live in america
except barranquilleros, most of them modefoques prefer to live in curramba
the very first broadway show i saw, west side story "I want to live in america"
thank you

I'll get there, when I get there!

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webmanco says on Aug 15, 2008, 06:00:

every third world modefoque wants to live in america


They already live in América, that is Central and South América

Elmo you would live whereever chucha tells you, period.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 15, 2008, 09:39:

My dear DeFoque,
if you had been brought to London at an early age you would have learned TO LOVE the rain that stays mainly on the plain and would be having a lovely cup of tea with another of your paisanos, Kat1 and your suegritos in Wales right now and loving every minute of it.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Aug 15, 2008, 09:41:

" the rain that stays mainly on the plain"

Wouldn't that be in Spain?

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 15, 2008, 09:50:

Yeah, I meant where they teach you to say it with a proper accent.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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kalder says on Aug 15, 2008, 17:33:

Come out to the sticks in Valle del Cauca and you'll hear a lot of racial jokes and off-hand remarks at the expense of black Colombians. A lot.

As I often retort: "Don't know why you're saying that chum- as far as I can see, I'm the only blanco in this town..."

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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billyb says on Aug 15, 2008, 18:00:

When I was growing up, it was the pastusos that got the brunt of the jokes.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 16, 2008, 00:54:

Colombians make fun of everybody....pereiranas, pastusos, costeños negros, indios, gordos, flacos, maricas, altos, flacos, bajitos....gringos, ecuatorianos...

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Aug 16, 2008, 01:08:

don't forget europeos ;)

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 16, 2008, 01:31:

Funny that you mention it...never have I heard or read Colombians joke about Europeans...

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Aug 16, 2008, 01:58:

That is because you were on the outside looking in:))

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 16, 2008, 02:13:

That's because I was lying by the pool while the ladies with dedo parado were doing my toe nails.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Aug 16, 2008, 02:23:

Desi desi, don't kid yourself, the ladies of el dedo parado that you have such resentment against, would not give you the time of day. But I am sure that if you ever made it back to Cali, you would be trying to kiss their...........

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 16, 2008, 02:48:

I have no resentment against the ladies of the dedo parado...as a matter of fact I spent considerable time with them during my last visit. One of them picked me up at the airport. I stayed at another one's home, went to pray the rosary with them, partied with them, went shopping with them....

Why wouldn't they "give me the time of the day?" I've always been rather well-connected in Cali, even if I know had I been born in Colombia and with a shade darker tan all those doors would have been closed for me.

It's just that I see myself different from them, I have friends in all social classes, don't share their political views (most of them have none, except their husband's) and because of my unpbringing cringe every time they speak despectively of their hired help.

My Colombian friends that I appreciate most are people from the Uni, my husband's solid middle class friends and family (not all), people I can talk with and be relaxed at the same time.

I have no further to contribute to this thread, until we start discussing racism in Cali again, instead of my class identity Cali. (I have none, being a foreigner, I enjoy the liberty of just being myself)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Aug 16, 2008, 02:50:

"I have no resentment against the ladies of the dedo parado..."

Why would you, if they were doing your toe nails?

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manINred says on Aug 16, 2008, 03:38:

I know a lot of Colombians who loathe the thought of goin to the US. They pick Australia/Canada and Europe as their prize destinations and then won't bother after that.

But I would say the majority would love to go to the US, in Latin America the US generally seems to be the equivalent of the holy land. That's not surprising, the US offers many fantastic opportunities.

Someone says that Colombians make fun of everything, nail hit on head. People from Antioquia will make fun of everything, that's a fact, and it's amusing to hear too.


" "Don't know why you're saying that chum- as far as I can see, I'm the only blanco in this town..."

lol, if you want to piss off a bigoted Colombian, just tell them that they're not white!!!

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