I hope Ingrid will be the last one being released.

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 02:42:

http://www.eltiempo.com/politica/2008-03-06/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR...

In other words: release Ingrid and you'll be out the terrrorist list, and que los otros secuestrados se PUTRAN EN LA SELVA.

Like always, pure Colombian elite at work. So typical.
Thanks but no to Sarkozy. I am tired of this constant talking about Ingrid and constant forgetting of the others.
QUE FALTA DE RESPECTO, POR DIOS!

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Medellin Traveler says on Mar 6, 2008, 03:15:

I AGREE!

This chit happens all the time, some people are revered as saints, and the others... what others?

Medellin Es Una Chimba! - www.medellintraveler.com

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 06:17:

and he said according to Caracol news "Sarkozy le advierte a "Tirofijo" que si deja morir a Ingrid sería visto por el mundo como un "asesino"


JESUSCHRIST!!!! he is a F*&^% killer.!!!!!.. pardon my french :)))
IN WHAT PLANET THOSE FRENCH LIVES

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 06:17:

THAT'S IT NOT MORE FRENCH FRIES NOR FRENCH BREAD IN MY DIET !!!!

droble77 says on Mar 6, 2008, 06:26:

She's too valuable to just let go of, so I don't think she's ever getting out. Unless she's dying already, or the FARC get a fantastic deal out of it.

billyb says on Mar 6, 2008, 06:26:

Ok KAT, the real test for you will be no more french wine?????? BTW, I agree totally , robi. It just proves once again the france only cares about ingrid. According to them if they hold ingrid=terrorist, if they release ingrid=not terrorists, even if they are still torturing 700 other hostages, but for the frogs, those don't exist.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 06:42:

wait billy.. i know my limits :))))

billyb says on Mar 6, 2008, 06:44:

It's ok, just call it "freedom wine".

vicshere says on Mar 6, 2008, 07:26:

I think everyone is missing the point.Ingrid represents everyone who being held by the FRAC..plain and simple...I don't think anyone who mentions Ingrid actually only refers to her alone

listo

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 07:39:

Vic, I bet that if Ingrid will be released, Sarkozy will begin to talk about taking FARC out the list.
Wanna bet?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 07:43:

this post is totally stupidity and I am wondering why it is allowed to fester

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

vicshere says on Mar 6, 2008, 07:43:

off the list you mean....probably...but Sarkozy only has an interest in Ingrid...but for most other people she represents all captives

listo

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 07:45:

Ok, then we agree on something important, let Ingrid be the last.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

vicshere says on Mar 6, 2008, 07:46:

no.....i say let them all go NOW...and stop this silly war

listo

vicshere says on Mar 6, 2008, 07:49:

sorry change silly to stuipd

listo

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 07:51:

Now, if FARC wanna do what the Paracos didn't tonight, and kidnapp RAAAY...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:05:

My experiences up the barrio were a little interesting....................

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:07:

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:13:

RAYYY uhmm what did you do to your wife..:))))

RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:15:

kAT...I just had to let Robi see that........but he appears to be MIA.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:20:

MIA? or was robi66 who did that!!! told you not to get near him :)))

RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:24:

he could'nt reach up high enough to punch me............

Anyway...............best get that shit off ........

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:31:

what's with my pic? or you're dressing up now like me>>:)))

RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:46:

WHAT.......that's your pic..........it's just a random one I picked off the Mensa site.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:52:

Rayyy in Spanish... mensa means stupid, duh!

wikipedia

Mensa, a Hispanic-American idiom that indicates a person boba.

RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 09:00:

But you know what it is in English.....no ?

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 6, 2008, 09:20:

off course

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 6, 2008, 09:22:

I know this may piss some people off, but she put herself in a position to be captured. When she went off to campaign in farc territory, she was repeatedly warned that she would be in danger and unprotected. She chose to ignore the warnings and went anyway and was captured along with Clara. This by no means justifies her kidnapping, but she put herself in that situation. On the other hand, most of the other hostages were either hunted down by the farc or captured while serving the country in the militarty or police. Sarkozy can go to hell if he agrees to take the farc of the terrorist list for handing over Ingrid only.

durito says on Mar 6, 2008, 09:32:

Several soldiers and police officers just completed 10 years in captivity, but you don't hear nearly as much about them.

buggy says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:24:

I do not think there are 16 Ingrid hostages ...



Francia pidió a Evo interceder ante las FARC por la liberación de 16 rehenes

El portavoz de la Presidencia de Bolivia, Alex Contreras, informó que el presidente de Francia, Nicolás Sarkozy solicitó al mandatario boliviano, Evo Morales, interceder en la liberación de los retenidos por las FARC, entre ellos la franco-colombiana Ingrid Betancourt.

Tal afirmación se produjo este miércoles como un desmentido a una campaña mediática iniciada en su país contra el jefe de Estado boliviano, que pretendía acusarlo de un presunto acercamiento con miembros de las Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC) para que junto a presidentes de Venezuela, Ecuador, Nicaragua se concrete una reunión que permita ver una "estrategia geopolítica común".

En tal sentido, Contreras aclaró que "no se trata de un acercamiento como lo dicen algunos medios de comunicación, sino de una respuesta a este pedido humanitario que hizo Nicolás Zarkozy, no sólo al presidente Morales sino a varios presidentes del mundo que están interesados en lograr una paz social en Colombia".

La nota de ABI señala que el vocero dejó en claro que Bolivia no ha gestado ningún acercamiento, más allá de haber nombrado al viceministro de Coordinación con los Movimientos Sociales, Sacha Llorenti, para que participe de la primer intento de liberación de la ex candidata a la vicepresidencia Clara Rojas y la ex congresista Consuelo González Perdomo, pero que resultó fallida.

De acuerdo con el funcionario, el presidente Sarkozy, en una misiva dirigida a Morales en noviembre de 2007, le hace conocer la profunda preocupación por el estado de los rehenes que retienen las FARC y en particular en Francia, a causa del grave y manifiesto deterioro de salud de la señora Ingrid Betancourt detenida desde el 23 de febrero de 2002.

"Esta iniciativa confirma mi compromiso en que Francia contribuya a la liberación de todos los rehenes para dar un primer paso a una paz duradera en Colombia. Para lograr este objetivo tengo el apoyo de los franceses, también necesito su apoyo tal como todos mis compatriotas se lo agradecerían", señala la misiva.

Contreras indicó que el primer mandatario le contestó de inmediato a su homólogo a través de una carta fechada el 6 de noviembre de 2007, donde expresa: "Conscientes de la posible influencia positiva que podríamos ejercer sobre este problema, le informo que nos propusimos evaluar una prudente aproximación a las FARC para promover la posibilidad de una solución humanitaria a la crisis de los rehenes como una solución política al colombiano".

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:41:

I don't think there are only 16 hostages.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

DodgerDogs says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:54:

Here is a sample of more than 700 being held


Name Date Captured Place Captured Position Held Prior to Capture
Libio José Martinez Estrada 1997-12-20 Patascoy, Nariño Corporal Second Class
Pablo Emilio Moncayo Cabrera 1997-12-20 Patascoy, Nariño Corporal First Class
José Ricardo Marulanda Valencia 1998-03-03 El Villar, Caquetá Vice First Sergeant
Luís Arturo Garcia 1998-03-03 El Villar, Caquetá Corporal First Class
Luís Alfonso Beltrán Franco 1998-03-03 El Villar, Caquetá Corporal First Class
José Miguel Arteaga 1998-03-03 El Villar, Caquetá Corporal Second Class
William Humberto Pérez Medina 1998-03-03 El Villar, Caquetá Corporal Second Class
William Donato Gómez 1998-08-03 Miraflores, Guaviare Lieutenant
John Jairo Durán Tuay 1998-08-03 Miraflores, Guaviare Corporal First Class
Julio Cesar Buitrago Cuesta 1998-08-03 Miraflores, Guaviare Corporal First Class
Juan Carlos Bermeo Cobardea 1998-08-03 Miraflores, Guaviare Lieutenant
Arbey Delgado Argote 1998-08-03 Miraflores, Guaviare Staff Sergeant
Erasmo Romero Rodríguez 1998-08-03 Miraflores, Guaviare Staff Sergeant
Amón Flórez Pantoja 1998-08-03 Miraflores, Guaviare Corporal First Class
Luís Alfredo Moreno Chagueza 1998-08-03 Miraflores, Guaviare Corporal First Class
Róbinson Salcedo Guarín 1998-08-03 Miraflores, Guaviare Corporal First Class
Raimundo Castellanos Malagón 1998-08-04 La Uribe, Meta Sub-Lieutenant
Edgar Yesid Duarte Valero 1998-10-14 El Paujil, Caquetá Captain
Elkin Hernández Rivas 1998-10-14 El Paujil, Caquetá Sub-Lieutenant
Luis Herlindo Mendieta Ovalle 1998-11-01 Mitú, Vaupés Lieutenant Colonel
Enrique Murillo Sánchez 1998-11-01 Mitú, Vaupés Captain
Vianey Javier Rodríguez Porras 1998-11-01 Mitú, Vaupés Sub-Lieutenant
César Augusto Lasso Monsalve 1998-11-01 Mitú, Vaupés Staff Sergeant
Luis Hernando Peña Bonilla1 1998-11-01 Mitú, Vaupés Sub-Intendant
Jorge Trujillo Solarte 1999-07-10 Puerto Rico, Meta Sub-Intendant
José Libardo Forero Carrero 1999-07-10 Puerto Rico, Meta Corporal First Class
Wilson Rojas Medina 1999-07-10 Puerto Rico, Meta Sub-Intendant
Carlos José Duarte 1999-07-10 Puerto Rico, Meta Sub-Intendant
Jorge Humberto Romero 1999-07-10 Puerto Rico, Meta Sub-Intendant
Armando Castellanos Gaona 1999-11-16 La Arada, Tolima Sub-Intendant
Luis Alberto Erazo Maya 1999-12-09 Curillo, Caquetá Staff Sergeant
�lvaro Moreno 1999-12-09 Curillo, Caquetá Sub-Intendant
Oscar Tulio Lizcano 2000-08-05 Riosucio, Caldas Representative
Alan Jara 2001-07-15 Lejanías, Meta Ex-Governor of Meta
�ngrid Betancourt Pulecio 2002-02-23 Montañitas, Caquetá Presidential Candidate
Sigifredo López Tobón 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy
Keith Stansell 2003-02-13 Caquetá Jungle US American Contractor
Thomas Howes 2003-02-13 Caquetá Jungle US American Contractor
Marc Gonsalves 2003-02-13 Caquetá Jungle US American Contractor
William Johany Domínguez2 2007-01-20 Caquetá Jungle Professional Soldier
Guillermo Javier Solórzano 2007-07-04 Florida, Valle del Cauca Captain

1: It should be noted that there has been no proof of life in regards to Luis Hernando Peña Bonilla since 2001, but he has not yet been removed from the list. He was separated from the other hostages due to mental problems. [1]
2: Not on the official Associated Press hostage list, but appeared on a proof of life video along with other hostages on the list. [2] [3]


[edit] Former hostages
Name Date Captured Place Captured Position Held Prior to Capture Date Kidnapping Ended Reason
Wagner Tapias Torres 1997-07-14 Urrao, Antioquia Lieutenant 2003-05-05 Killed
Pedro José Guarnizo Obando 1997-07-14 Urabá, Antioquia Vice First Sergeant 2003-05-05 Rescued
Francisco Manuel Negrete Mendoza 1998-07-14 Urrao, Antioquia Corporal First Class 2003-05-05 Killed
Ernesto Cotes Samuel 1998-07-14 Urrao, Antioquia Corporal First Class 2003-05-05 Killed
Jairsinio Navarrete 1998-11-14 Urrao, Antioquia Corporal First Class 2003-05-05 Killed
Mario Alberto Marín Franco 1998-08-13 Pavarandó, Antioquia Corporal First Class 2003-05-05 Killed
Héctor Duván Segura 1998-08-14 Pavarandó, Antioquia Vice First Sergeant 2003-05-05 Killed
Julián Guevara Castro 1998-11-01 Mitú, Vaupés Major 2006-03-28 Died in captivity
Jhon Frank Pinchao Blanco 1998-11-01 Mitú, Vaupés Sub-Intendant 2007-05-16 Escaped
Heriberto Aranguren González 1999-06-22 Tierradentro, Córdoba Corporal 2003-05-05 Rescued
Alejandro Ledesma Ortiz 1999-12-12 Juradó, Chocó Lieutenant 2003-05-05 Killed
José Gregorio Peña Guarín 1999-12-12 Juradó, Chocó Corporal Second Class 2003-05-05 Killed
Fernando Araújo Perdomo 2000-12-04 Cartagena, Bolívar Minister 2007-01-05 Escaped
Luis Eladio Pérez Bonilla 2001-06-10 Ipiales, Nariño Senator 2008-02-27 Released
Gloria Polanco de Lozada 2001-06-26 Neiva, Huila Representative 2008-02-27 Released
Orlando Beltrán Cuellar 2001-08-28 Gigante, Huila Representative 2008-02-27 Released
Consuelo González de Perdomo 2001-09-10 Highway in Huila Representative 2008-01-10 Released
Jorge Eduardo Géchem Turbay 2002-02-20 Flight towards Hobo, Huila Senator 2008-02-27 Released
Clara Leticia Rojas 2002-02-23 Montañitas, Caquetá Vice-Presidential Candidate 2008-01-10 Released
Francisco Javier Giraldo Cadavid 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Juan Carlos Narváez Reyes 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Carlos Alberto Barragán López 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Carlos Alberto Charry Quiroga 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Jairo Javier Hoyos Salcedo 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Edinson Pérez Núñez 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Nacianceno Orozco Grisales 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Rufino Varela 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Alberto Quintero Herrera 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Héctor Fabio Arizmendi Ospina 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Ramiro Echeverri Sánchez 2002-04-11 Cali, Valle del Cauca Valle del Cauca Deputy 2007-06-18 Killed
Guillermo Gaviria Correa 2002-04-21 Caicedo, Antioquia Governor of Antioquia 2005-05-05 Killed
Gilberto Echeverri Mejía 2002-04-21 Caicedo, Antioquia Ex-Minister 2003-05-05 Killed
Emmanuel Rojas Born 2004-04-16 Born in captivity Sent to Bogotá in June 2005. Found in December 2007. Found in foster care in Bogotá
Antenor Biella Hernández Non-Commissioned Officer 2003-05-05 Rescued

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

buggy says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:55:

16 is better than 0, no?

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:55:

So, I hope that 16 France is talking about will be the last being released.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

buggy says on Mar 6, 2008, 13:57:

.....

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

poco says on Mar 6, 2008, 14:05:

Quote: I don't think there are only 16 hostages.

Your thinking is right. Haven’t checked lately but the number is about 700. I have heard numbers ranging up to 2,500. Haven't found a list.

I think an attempt is being made to put up a smoke screen about the totals. The FARC do not KIDNAP They are simply keeping these OTHER people until their families “PAY the FARC their (back taxes)

The following list of hostages are what the FARC call "canjeables" (exchangeable), as they only offer their freedom in return for the liberty of over 500 FARC members held in Colombian prisons.

Humm,, 38 people,, I’d imagine we’ll see headlines stating “FARC releases all Hostages". Then a footnote that the 3 americans aren’t among them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_hostages_held_by_FARC

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

robi666 says on Mar 6, 2008, 14:07:

Listen buggy, I am far from being against France, I absolutely love France, it is just that I am tired of the media attention on the rich ones, and the continue talking and promising to FARC if they release the rich ones.
I am sure that you can understand it.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 15:01:

Robi....I don't understand why you hate France so much.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

la campiña says on Mar 6, 2008, 15:07:

700 others, same old story privelidged rich jump to the front of the queue stomping on the less fortunate, i'll stop now

Rikito says on Mar 6, 2008, 16:35:

France is easy to dislike. The French people outside of Paris are great. Inside Paris they all pretty much suck. The government of France really sucks. Since WW1 France has made absolutely no benficial contributions to mankind except Doctors Without Boarders." But again these were private citizens.

I could go on and on about how France ssucks, but for now...France sucks.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

la campiña says on Mar 6, 2008, 17:03:

sweeping generalisations and painting all with the same brush is disturbingly archaic, there is bad washing in all laundry, never judge a book by its cover and always form your own opinion, preconcieved ideas bias your experience with others you have been programed to suspect. Rise above the media quagmire, I'm english and so I've been told I should hate the french, I can only laugh at such narrow minded merde

ColombianoGringo says on Mar 6, 2008, 19:32:

I've never really thought that French people in Paris were all that bad, although those from the eastern and southern provinces seemed friendlier and more cooperative.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 6, 2008, 19:44:

god is in your head

la campiña says on Mar 6, 2008, 21:27:

amusing

goin_south says on Mar 6, 2008, 21:43:

Camp.... can we swap hillary for ingrid, yet?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

buggy says on Mar 6, 2008, 22:40:

"I could go on and on about how France ssucks, but for now...France sucks."

USA made a great contribution to the mankind: atom bomb and its experimentation about living people in Japan

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

DodgerDogs says on Mar 6, 2008, 23:12:

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

huskie says on Mar 7, 2008, 04:04:

comment pouvez-vous signaler ici que vous êtes français ? Si êtes vous ce qu'un déshonneur pour le Français, je pensent vous êtes un bâtard du Venezuela!
Peut-être vous êtes famille à Betancourt,parce que vous amour sûr ces communistes au Venezuela, et pensez en attaquant la Colombie placerez son libre, Haha
À la votre

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

buggy says on Mar 7, 2008, 04:18:

No comment.

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

huskie says on Mar 7, 2008, 04:28:

à la votre

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

Rikito says on Mar 7, 2008, 06:57:

buggy...you still have no clue of what you talk about. You need to go back to your first grade reader to get an update on history my friend.

And France still sucks...just look at the women.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 2008, 07:02:

you mean french women like this, rikito?

god is in your head

billyb says on Mar 7, 2008, 07:08:

Tejas, is that not Miss France 2003??

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 2008, 07:09:

stunner, huh?

god is in your head

billyb says on Mar 7, 2008, 07:11:

You have to love the cleavage she's sporting :)

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 2008, 07:12:

yeah, it fits right in with the folds of her neck!

how much are tickets to france these days anyways? i'm waaaaay motivated!

god is in your head

tejasmarcos says on Mar 7, 2008, 07:16:

reminds me of pink floyd "the wall" video.

god is in your head

huskie says on Mar 7, 2008, 07:48:

Don't get me wrong, I love everything about France, except for sticky buggers......YUCK!!!
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

huskie says on Mar 7, 2008, 07:49:

United is offering good fares, check them out
Cheers

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds-"

msaucey says on Mar 7, 2008, 07:52:

"....except for sticky buggers..." classic Huskie.... LOL.... I think the majority of people would agree...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

cali373 says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:27:

robi666 and billyb, actually it is not that easy as you say. France alone does not maintain a list of terrorist organizations. It is an EU list and while France may not want the FARC listed as terrorists if they release Ingrid, does not mean other EU countires want them delisted.

I actually interpreted the statement as: if the FARC wants to have any chance of being de-listed ,then they must release Ingrid.

It also does not make sense to call an insurgency a terrorist group because no matter what you think their aim is to overthrow the government of colombia and if civilians are killed or injured, well that is part of war (And that I got from the former US defense secretary Don Rumsfeld). If we re-call that during the U.S. revolution, the revolutionaries were called rebels NOT terrorists (grant it, the word terrorist was not sexy back then and they was no culture of fear). Were they terrorists? Yes indeed by today's standards, our founding fathers were supporters of terrorism. I dont think of them as terrorists but as insurgents just like the FARC with different ideology of course. But they did commit acts of terrorism ambushing British troops.

So what is the difference, well the word terrorism is now the term to use to instill fear into people and justify war.

Smile if you are a thinker!

goin_south says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:32:

nor, is the word 'terrorist' sexy NOW.
It's more like: horrifying.

(let's see.. have I ever had 'horrific' sex.. uh, well, there was one moment or two.. when I first landed in Cali... ajj)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:36:

"It also does not make sense to call an insurgency a terrorist group"
Well, Cali373... it makes SIMPLE SENSE to call THIS GROUP... terroristas.

After today/this week, it might make MORE SENSE to call them:
.........FRAGMENTED AND FALLING.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

billyb says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:37:

France is great. great food, great wine, great countryside, great archictecture.....as a matter of fact, the only problem is that it's too good for the french.

goin_south says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:39:

How good is the wine?
Or, did you mean: whine?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

billyb says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:41:

You do know the most expensive wine/whine in the world don't you/ "i don't haaave a thiing to wear"

DodgerDogs says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:42:

The only two french fries I know, live in Burlytown,Ca and Loserette ,La.

Dont push the duck !!!!

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

billyb says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:45:

you must mean pommes frites?

DodgerDogs says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:48:

Those 2 need to lay off the french food, and learn to eat arepas and sopa.

But Burrlytown and Loserette only got them fast food joints.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

DodgerDogs says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:53:

But this Colombiana still loves you dudes.

Donde abuela ????

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

goin_south says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:59:

. .Thought for the day






. Handle every stressful situation like a dog.

. If you can't eat it or hump it.

. Piss on it and walk away.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

billyb says on Mar 7, 2008, 22:59:

DD, please remove the pic of my granny right away. Or i'll sue you like medoblado, jajaja.

goin_south says on Mar 7, 2008, 23:02:

Creepy Cayenne Cajun Crawfish

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

billyb says on Mar 7, 2008, 23:04:

jajaj, GS, nothing like a dog's life.

DodgerDogs says on Mar 7, 2008, 23:06:

bb and gs , stay cool and remeber life is too short to kiss ugly women.
Buenos noches.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

billyb says on Mar 7, 2008, 23:10:

buenas noches Dodger. BTW, when was the last time you caught a game at Chavez (god, i hate that name, jaja) Ravine?

Ctg Bound says on Mar 8, 2008, 09:25:

cali373,

To be classed as a rebel, you need to have a large support base in the Country you are fighting.

Picking the American War of Independance, becuase you did, the colonials who were fighting the English and Royalist supporting colonials were called rebels. There were no polls taken then, but approx 1/3 of people supported the Royalist, 1/3 supported the independance cause and 1/3 didn't care.

With numbers like the above they can can be classed as rebels, FARC has a support base in Colombia of 1-3%, so 97-99% of the population don't support them, so they can't be rebels.

You will get some FARC supporters to say the polls are fixed, yet they NEVER publish any polls differant to the above, quite simply because FARC has no real support base in Colombia.

cali373 says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:16:

goin_south

it would be nice if you were correct, but you are wrong.

I had a great time in France and Colombia, and the U.S. Americans talk so much shit, imports from France to the U.S. have increased sinc 9-11. The rhetoric is amusing sometimes but not when it affects rich people.

Smile if you are a thinker!

cali373 says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:18:

Ctg Bound

Their is nobody in the world that really knows how much support the FARC has. So they have practically no support huh, We are going to have this debate again in 4 years and the FARC will still be around. I really wish I am wrong though, and they would just lay down their weapons.

Smile if you are a thinker!

podborski says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:22:

I don't care how much support they have or don't have, they have the choice to protest peacefully, and they don't.

They know they will not win in any democratic election, so they resort to the time tested policy of terror, which causes the ruling government to crack down severely, which then gives a bunch of naiive european pseudo-intellectuals grounds to claim the ruling authority is fascist/authoritarian etc.

It works every time, which is why we still have terrorists.

Ctg Bound says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:29:

cali373,

I disagree, the FARC have virtually NO support within Colombia, the left like to talk as they have a support base, but they don't, its up to the left to proove that they do, with non doctred polls, they never even attempt it as they know there is no support here.

There could be supporters of FARC 60 years in the future as there is of Hitler, means nothing.

Ctg Bound says on Mar 8, 2008, 10:31:

podborski,

Exactly, they could NEVER win a democratic election, they have no real support.

billyb says on Mar 8, 2008, 12:45:

The very heart of the problem is that the FARC would never want elections, unless they are the kind that give castro victory margins of 99.99%

Mr. Hollywood says on Mar 8, 2008, 14:59:

Back to Ingrid, I think the saddest irony is that her "value" to the FARC is actually only a byproduct of the massive international attention that's been focussed on her captivity. Remind me to leave strict instructions that if I'm kidnapped NEVER allow me to because a "cause célébre" (as Pres Sarkozy would say). Please denigrate my standing and value until the FARC is ready to pay my family to take me back.

robi666 says on Mar 8, 2008, 16:18:

Ok, we'll do it mrH. :)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

billyb says on Mar 8, 2008, 21:22:

For Ingrid's sake i think the FARC has realized that her value has been overplayed and that Uribe and Colombia will not be held hostage for one high profile/value hostage and they must know that they are not going to get any special consideration for releasing her. Her family, chavez, france and the FARC overestimated her value, and now realize that the majority of Colombians have very little sympathy for plight in as much as it overshadows the hundreds of other hostages. So i think that the FARC will release her soon because the consequences of her dying in FARC captivity will greatly outweigh any benefits that they thought they could attain from holding her.

Alma del Norte says on Mar 8, 2008, 21:25:

Agreed

robi666 says on Apr 3, 2008, 08:02:

The annoying stupid commentary about Ingrid Betancourt goes on.. like the actions that show that a rich is worth more than a poor.

Yesterday, her son publicly asked to Manuel Marulanda release his mother so "he won't be remembered on the history books as an assassin of women".
http://www.eltiempo.com/politica/2008-04-03/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR...

So, again, why don't they stop making such stupid commentary. Offending the other hostages and the memory of thousands of Colombians?
I know, he is her son, but it really does not help the cause.

This is a comment from El Tiempo forum on this news:
Dice en el artículo "que no quede en los libros de historia como un criminal de guerra que dejó morir a una mujer en la selva." refiriendode al caballero marulanda, osea que si ingrid no muere no él es asesino, y si ella muere es asesino pero por ingrid. el resto de colombianos "eliminados" por las farc se pueden clasificar cono sub-humanos que no vale la pena anotar como victimas de asesinato! viva francia! seguramente si los independentistas del frente nacional de liberación de córcega (fnlc) secuestraran a una candidata presidencial sarkosy sera asi de "benevolo"

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

tejasmarcos says on Apr 3, 2008, 08:05:

in recent discussions with locals, alot of them think ingrid was kidnapped as a ploy to gain public sentiment. this was to be used to capture the hearts of colombians in a presidential bid. it seems to have gone terribly afoul.

god is in your head

robi666 says on Apr 3, 2008, 08:09:

That's obviously stupid talking.
But, that's what the mediatic show of Sarkozy and Betancourt family is gaining among Colombians.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 3, 2008, 10:29:

I wonder if Ingrid's son really thinks Tirofijo isn't already seen as a killer of women, children and men.

I'm sympathetic to his pain, but this is really stupid rhetoric.