I have three main questions for you! (Monpirri's Thread)

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 2, 2008, 21:30:

Sorry I had to butcher Monpirri's thread but I tried to save the main on-topic part of it, before it degenerated into an ad hominem attack

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

SiV says on Mar 2, 2008, 21:32:

and then it got nasty. . . .

Can we not have a bit more courtesy on the site? Disagreeing with someone's PoV doesn't necessarily entail insulting them or using foul language.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Mahatma Gandhi

rocinante says on Mar 2, 2008, 21:46:

Desi I concur. I didn't read the cut and pasted threads but your main topic is something I wish I had the eloquence to express and the respect to comand a real response.

I sparred a good with the Chavez obsessed sesnationalist CatherineB and her endless cut and past articles (2-3 a day) and could never get an answer to this, or more sepcifically, what the real problem with Chavez was other than "he is meddling in Colombia's politics"

"yea, but Chevez is news, and Chavez is directly connected to Colombia at this time."

Agreed and be that as it may - lets talk about Chavez - You know our own opinions, not cut an paste article after article. Since when is PBH a news content site? Make a post, give an opinion, something to think about and support is with a few quotes from the article and the link to the article.

Don't just paste an article and run.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

miamimike says on Mar 2, 2008, 21:52:

Desi, I couldn't agree more with you on this! Why the Obession with some Tinhorn Dictator? Man, I would hate to see the Responses on Some Prime Time BigTime Player/Dictator! LOL

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush,

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 22:38:

""I had to butcher Monpirri's..."

monpirri... I feel... your pain. jaj

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

manINred says on Mar 2, 2008, 22:40:

Yes well, I have received several correspondences from upset Colombian friends/family tonight over one Hugo Chavez. He's not Mr. Popularity in Colombia at the moment, so I don't blame any Colombian for being a touch irked at him right now.

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 22:41:

hey, Desi... maybe you should 'dull' that knife , lol

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 2, 2008, 22:42:

Not wanting to gain indulgencies with a borrowed rosary I just want to point out that the OP is monpirri:) I've just re.posted his thread.

But I agree, I'm getting pretty tired of all this Chavez talk too.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 22:44:

Desi...
give me a few moments... and then check your pm.
It's been awhile.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

DodgerDogs says on Mar 2, 2008, 22:52:

Chavez , is a hot headed idiot we all know that. I believe his troop build up is all for show.
I do not support the FARC, but one has to wander why with the recent release of hostages,
and knowing the state of Ingrid Betancourts failing health, why Uribe would take this time to cross the border and risk the fate of her and the other hostages.
I am no Farc fan, but no Uribe fan either. It is good a bad man was taken out, but was it a good time to take him out ? And why did Uribe never pursue Rodrigo Tovar and other para
jefes with as much zeal ?
If and when the Farc is defeated, will Uribe put forth a effort to restore what the real victims of the violence the homeless displaced and the Indians like the Wayu and others have lost.
I think Uribe has hidden motives.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

DodgerDogs says on Mar 2, 2008, 22:55:

From todays paper.

Indígena Guajira denuncia en Suiza:
“Paramilitares han asesinado mas de 250 Wayúu y aún están actuando‿

Por Marcos Sánchez Castellón, Ginebra, Suiza.

Por lo menos 250 Indígenas Wayúu en el departamento de La Guajira, en el norte de Colombia han sido asesinados por los grupos paramilitares mientras que otros 700 se han desplazado hacia territorios como El Zulia en Venezuela, el interior de Colombia, Aruba y Panamá, en los últimos cinco años, denuncio en Suiza, la líder de esa etnia Karmen Ramírez Boscan.

Las amenazas y el miedo hoy continúan porque estas bandas cambiaron de nombre y de jefes, agregó la líder.

‘Wayunkerra’ como la conocen en su comunidad asentada en Maicao, llegó invitada por la ONU a Ginebra, Suiza, con el fin de hacerles seguimientos a las políticas étnicas a nivel mundial y aprovechó para ratificar y ampliar las denuncias que desde hace varios meses vienen efectuando desde su organización en formación y crecimiento ‘Fuerza de Mujeres Wayúu’, básicamente compuesta por familiares de las víctimas de la violencia paramilitar en la media Guajira.

Ataviada con su tradicional manta Wayúu, a pesar del frió que azota esta época del año a Europa, mostrando su mochila, sus collares y con la palabra firme y la convicción de que en cada denuncia se juega la vida y la de sus familiares, esta líder Wayúu vino a contarles al hombre blanco (‘arijuna’) europeo lo que sucede en su territorio ancestral. Fue escuchada por decenas de personas de diferentes nacionalidades que quedaron atónitos al sentir el dolor de sus relatos y leer hasta los nombres de cada uno de sus hermanos asesinados.

Expresa que “hoy no hay lugar para el miedo, después de saber que los paramilitares han asesinado mas de 250 Wayúu y que lo peor es que los asesinatos y amenazas continúan ya que desde Maracaibo, en el estado del Zulia esta operando alias ‘Salomón’, quien es el nuevo jefe de los paramilitares que actúan en la península Guajira, con potentes armas largas, camionetas aptas para desplazarse en este territorio árido y agreste y que a pesar de las denuncias hechas ante el estado Colombiano, este se hace el ciego y sordo‿.

Karmen Ramírez Boscan, quien a pesar de habérsele ofrecido medidas cautelares de protección por parte del Estado colombiano debido a las múltiples amenazas recibidas a manos de los ‘paras’, las rechazó, ya que no confía en los miembros del DAS y prefiere que la cuiden ‘Mareiwa’ su Dios y sus hermanos de sangre.

La líder quien ha estado en varios escenarios europeos denunciando las atrocidades de los grupos paramilitares los cuales también han copado algunos puestos de los gobiernos locales y regionales debido a la alianza entre algunos políticos y las bandas armadas, aprovechó para lanzar su libro ‘Desde el Desierto’.

En este escrito donde recoge muchos testimonios, así como documentos, también narra de manera detallada y clara todas las atrocidades y masacres cometidas por estas bandas que en su lucha por controlar el territorio, el comercio tanto legal como ilegal (gasolina, narcotráfico, contrabando etc) no han escatimado esfuerzos en asesinar, desplazar y sembrar el miedo en esta etnia.

“Al principio no entendíamos lo que sucedía y creyendo que se trataba de una ‘guerra intraclanil’ procuramos armarnos y enviamos la palabra pero nuestros códigos de guerra fueron violados, después de muchas masacres entendimos que eran hombres blancos ‘arijunas’ los que nos estaban acabando con el apoyo y complicidad del propio Estado colombiano, e incluso matando las mujeres algo que en la guerra entre los Wayúu no se da, por respeto.‿

“La desmovilización de los ‘paras’ ha sido una farsa, y un engaño tanto de los asesinos, como del gobierno‿, asegura Karmen. Agrega que “ellos están actuando en nuestro territorio, cambiaron de nombre y de jefe, siguen controlando todo y tampoco confiamos en la denominada política de seguridad democrática de Uribe, quien fue el creador de las Convivir, que se fortalecieron y cambiaron de nombre por las Auc, los cuales en alianza con muchos políticos arribistas están en el gobierno, en el Congreso y otros organismos de seguridad‿.

Asegura que “preferimos buscar a la comunidad internacional para que sea ella las que nos ayude, vayan a nuestro territorio, nos den la mano, se conozcan lo mas que se pueda nuestras denuncias, en todos los idiomas, ante los demás ‘arijunas’ y Wayúu del mundo (los otros indígnenas) y ojalá sea pronto, antes que acaben con nuestro pueblo ancestral‿, concluyó Wayunkerra.
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Colombian prosecutor general Mario Iguarán confirmed that several foreigners, at least three from Ecuador, are among the 105 presumed paramilitary victims whose bodies were exhumed from a mass grave near La Hormiga, Putumayo department, May 5. Another 106 bodies were exhumed from 65 common graves in the area over the past ten months. Ecuadoran families had been inquiring about loved ones who had disappeared across the border. Most of the victims, who investigators believe were killed between 1999 and 2001, had been dismembered before burial. With these finds, the number of bodies of presumed paramilitary victims exhumed nationwide since the beginning of 2006 to 900. Iguaran’s office estimates 10,000 Colombians lie in unmarked graves across the country, now in its fifth decade of civil war. "It has surprised us, despite the fact that we are in the middle of a conflict," said Iguarán, adding that his office has reports of 3,000 common graves from victims' families and other sources. The investigation is being carried out by the Judicial and Investigative Police Directorate (DIJIIN). Radio Caracol cited an internal report it said identified those responsible for the Putumayo graves as Carlos Mario Jiménez, alias "Macaco," leader of the Central Bolívar Bloc of the United Colombian Self-Defense Forces (AUC), and his second-in-command Arnolfo Santamaría Galindo, alias "Pipa."

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 23:07:

"" is good a bad man was taken out, but was it a good time to take him out ? ""

I think most colombians (and me and alot of gringos' {who don't count, you say}) opinion is that ANY TIME IS A GOOD TIME.

I don't think this has anything to do with it all, BUT MAYBE: This was Uribe's time to do it, before this other march gets underway.... on March 6. Which, btw, I don't think will have anywhere near the numbers of participants that the Feb 4 No Mas Farc March had.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 23:09:

(better check yer pm, before replyin! jaj)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

DodgerDogs says on Mar 2, 2008, 23:22:

Duck, my pm is turned off. The other march on 6 de Marzo is for the victims of the worst
bunch of murdering scum Colombia has ever seen.. The FARC and the AUC both scum, but to compare the two would be like comparing Hitler and Saddam..
Duck I know if you was in Colombia on 6 de Marzo you would be walking down the calles with the other marchers. Cause your a good man, it aint your fault you live amongst the french in cajun country.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 23:35:

Hey DD, actually! It IS MY FAULT... or, my blame, o mi credito!
It was 'by choice'.

I take it you mean: Farc being equal to ....
Man, what kind of equazion is that?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Mar 2, 2008, 23:35:

you (and, I) need to "Go Fishin''.. again.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

DodgerDogs says on Mar 2, 2008, 23:38:

Duck, cuando ti viene Colombia. you are welcome in my barrio, and we can take off for
SMRT and catch both types of tunas.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

scotty says on Mar 3, 2008, 00:01:

yea, but Chevez is news, and Chavez is directly connected to Colombia at this time.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 3, 2008, 01:31:

I don't know what's monpirris's thread was all about... but I agree with Scotty here, I have read some copy and paste articles here that i haven't seen yet, the news here don't report much about the situation which hopefully don't escalated to major consequences, I as A Colombian. I'm very angry about this, how come those countries are interfering in Colombians affairs. specially that Chavez who is more worry about what happen in Colombia that on her own country. I keep looking the news reading here trying to gather as much information as I can, Is my country all my family is there so I am worry, of course i don't want a war but I don't want to think either that the problem with the guerrillas is going to continued forever if countries like those two are helping them.


Maybe some people don't care, well they are not Colombians or they don't have any relatives there, but I do worry what will happen to my country just like all of you Americans fill the off topic section with the American elections.. And i understand this is important for you too.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Mar 3, 2008, 01:49:

Oh and BTW I'm interest in reading the opinions and analysis of some of our members like Juancegomez and others..

miamimike says on Mar 3, 2008, 01:56:

Hey Kat--see your Boy Prince harry was over there in the Thick of the battle all the while we were talking last week and you mentioned "He probably wouldn't be in the Front Line with the regular Boys" and there he was, with 'em all the time, manning a Machine Gun to Boot! He received NO special Treatment! He's Quite a Guy!

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush,

tomtom33 says on Mar 3, 2008, 04:14:

When I tire of something, I don't read the posts.

When I tired of someone, he/she gets the ignore timeout. But I have only resorted to that one time.

Monpirri says on Mar 3, 2008, 04:36:

What’s in your mind? What’s your gain? What do feel you would accomplish if you continue to post recycled news from your favorite news network about you idol/guerrilla? Or if you continue to post about your fears or about the infatuation with the ongoing Colombian drama or the novel idea of a possible large scale war.
If this drama would turn out into a war, I want you to know that it won’t be between two South American countries down there! And by the way, old farts, women and kids will be part of the largest war of the century!

You do not realize that the more publicity you are given them the better for them, even if your are posting negative publicity! Really, if your intent is to show every one here the hatred you feel against them, you are defeating your goal because you are actually doing them a favor!

MAC

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

tomtom33 says on Mar 3, 2008, 04:58:

I really rather doubt that anything posted on PBH is going to affect the world greatly, especially not anything that I post.

Monpirri says on Mar 3, 2008, 05:02:

Tomtom33, it's an interesting statement, but did you notice what the Internet did for Colombia a while ago?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

SiV says on Mar 3, 2008, 06:19:

DD, I agree with your Raul Reyes analysis completely.

I also think the Wayuu article is worth posting as a new thread. Although as it doesn't refer to Chavez, nor contains any action-movie style events, nor disses the Farc, not to mention it being in Spanish, it probably won't get much response on PBH.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Mahatma Gandhi

tomtom33 says on Mar 3, 2008, 07:37:

The Internet as a whole is much different from one site.

Monpirri says on Mar 3, 2008, 07:42:

Events start in one site, come on where are you from?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

billyb says on Mar 3, 2008, 07:45:

Desi, i would get pretty tired of hearing about chavez also, if he were moving ten battalions with tanks to finland's border and not colombia's

Monpirri says on Mar 3, 2008, 07:47:

Yeap let's move the guerrillas and battalions to Finland's border for a chance. lol

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

tomtom33 says on Mar 3, 2008, 07:54:

Ok, the whole world is watching PBH. I live in Colombia.

CatGirl says on Mar 3, 2008, 07:59:

Desi: When I saw this re -post this AM I thought - eeek! What happened? Yes, I do recall one poster that appeared to have a bone to pick...seemed there was something behind it.
Oh well....

ooops! ....Did I say that?

podborski says on Mar 3, 2008, 08:45:

I get tired of people saying they don't like the topics we discuss here...

An extremely important event happens that puts colombia on the news all over the world, I suppose we should talk about the food in cali?

CatGirl says on Mar 3, 2008, 08:47:

Pod: As far as I recall, it was the way the info was presented, or should I say "misrepresented?" - it was meant to be all in fun - but created a dominoe effect. Again, what do I know?..I handglide! Ha!

ooops! ....Did I say that?

billyb says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:17:

Pod, you are right, lets talk prepagos.

CatGirl says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:20:

Prepagos? jajaja...BillyB you bad boy

ooops! ....Did I say that?

msaucey says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:21:

Billy, what a trooper, always willing to bring things back into perspective.... =)

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:42:

Three things:
I am not objecting to the threads about the current diplomatic crisis that Colombia is having with its neighbours or discussion on the troops concentration or the death of Raul Reyes; it's all extremely interesting and informative to all of us.There are no need, however, to run four of five different threads on every one and each article from El Tiempo, Caracol, Miami Herald, BBC etc. By all means, start a new thread if you wish to discuss a different aspect and place the Chavez threads in the proper forum, politics and war (if they are Colombia related, if not, in off-topic)

DD, the article and the discussion about the Wayuu ought to be a separate thread. It won't get the attention it deserves as a footnote in this context.

Third, I was in a kind of rush this morning when I killed Mompi's thread and started a new one sans the second half of it when things got ugly. If you guys have any complaints take them to the boss.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Monpirri says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:46:

If you are in a rush stay way from something important or personal because you may screw it up and if you do not know how to do a task ask the boss.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

webmanco says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:53:

Monpirri la embarras de a seguido.

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Monpirri says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:54:

no sea marica sea un hombre algun dia, deje de estar encondiendose en las faldas de ellas!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

webmanco says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:55:

whatever

But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Monpirri says on Mar 3, 2008, 09:56:

Ok Cubiche, thank you.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

Desideria (Moderator) says on Mar 3, 2008, 10:12:

Monpirri, you should be happy about me saving your thread. I wasn't referring to you with that comment, but to the people whose comments disappeared totally. I think I did a pretty neat job with it....

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Monpirri says on Mar 3, 2008, 10:17:

Congratulations and do not take my comments personally.

MAC

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008