i have this odd feeling :(

CaryGrant says on Aug 20, 2005, 13:40:

You found people in Europe bitter?

On my two trips to Colombia, I found myself quite euphoric at times, but maybe that's because I was on vacation and in love. :-) It's common to have mixed feelings about this sort of thing. There is no "right" answer, I don't believe.

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 20, 2005, 13:56:

My Boyfriends experience My boyfriend was confronted with them same feelings a few months ago, he had studied here in the U.S. for a year and it was time for him to go home. He felt very akward having to leave becasue there were many things he would be leaving (me..lol) and he was going back to many things he didnt like, he hates the way women are treated in colombia, and he hates how it is looked at from the US. When he went home(yes he decided to go back), it was weird for him becasue he had realized how much he had changed as a person and how his views were alot diffrent then what they were and how he was able to see alot of things that he had never noticed were not so good b4, not saying that the U.S. is soo much better, because he had a fair share of things he didnt like at all here (i.e. abortions and such), you just have to decide whats ight for you, and it was hard for me watching him leave, because now we are like 3000 miles apart but we are still together, hopefully everything works out for you!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 20, 2005, 14:04:

not bitter at least the Europeans I talk to every day at my job, my neighbors etc. people around me. Most of the people around here seem to be pretty contented with their lot in life. Of course, we complain about this and that, normal bickering and chafing but in general terms, people would not want to be anywhere else but here except when it's an unsually cold and rainy summer and then we just buy a trip to Turkey, Greece, Spain or Thailand to get away for a couple a weeks and get a tan.

Cheers,
Desi

(sorry if I was somewhat flippant. I understand your feelings. It's always a mixed blessing to be given more choices than one.)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 20, 2005, 14:06:

That's the expat life Tulip-ana, that's a very common feeling when you've spent time in a foreign country. It's a very powerful and changing experience but it also creates a sense that you can never go homee entirely because your home is now divided.

Quinceanera, your boyfriend thinks there aren't abortions in Colombia?

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tulip-ana says on Aug 20, 2005, 14:14:

expat... me suena me suena. well im thinking about coming back here again. sorry about the (bitter) part but at least where i am now it is true... is not like all the people is like that but most of them they don't smile... and they have been very rude in some circumstances. however... my bf is european so, not everybody is like that! the problem is i am going back to colombia but i don't think is for a long time and i feel sad because i am leaving my bf and many other good things, besides i am scared because i won't have the time to re-acommodate in colombia either. maybe yes... expat life... i want to know more about that! :)

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Blue says on Aug 20, 2005, 14:18:

Maybe You could promote the wonders of silicone in Europe. Things could be worse.

Blue

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CaryGrant says on Aug 20, 2005, 16:40:

I remember reading that one of the best things you could do for your children was have them live in another country/culture. It helps to eliminate parochialism and arrogance, stripping away that view that "my country/culture is the best." However, it can also eliminate a source of certainty in your life, which, ideally, must now be cultivated from within.

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BAQ says on Aug 20, 2005, 16:52:

Send an e-mail to Ann Landers, ask her what you should do

Semper Fidelis !

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ws244 says on Aug 20, 2005, 18:30:

odd Yes, greece, turkey, spain, and thailand, all wonderful vacation hotspot countries where liberated women go but ignoring the fact in these same countries women know their place, and the men are in charge no different than in colombia.

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adrimm (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 20, 2005, 18:39:

Sonny says on Aug 20, 2005, 19:01:

It is very good to let It is very good to let your kids travel. As a kid I went to Korea then to Viet Nam and then back home again. The cultural differences though appreciated did not match the feeling of coming back home and now appreciating my roots.
I spent time in Russia and the Ukraine where the culture is controled by the female population. The women are better educated and control much of what goes on. Still, after you go to another country, you once respect what you ahve learned and with some hope that you bring back some of the good from each place you visit or live. I was always told that you can take to boy out of the country but you can't take the country out of the boy. Hopefully you can bring some of the good from each place to make your place better.
Hang in there all will be OK and soon.

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Miguel says on Aug 20, 2005, 20:25:

Y ahora, mis dos centavos This thread is a wonderful example of why Poor But Happy is, "AT TIMES", a very helpful website...excepting BAQ's suggestion to write Ann Landers, since I doubt she could even spell arepa. I'll bet Martha Stewart could cook one!

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BAQ says on Aug 20, 2005, 21:01:

yea but she wasn't asking about FOOD TIPS, she was wanting advice on her LIFE, so I figured it would be a good idea to refer her to a "Specialist" hahah

Semper Fidelis !

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platano says on Aug 20, 2005, 21:19:

"there is not a perfect place in this world," I think where I am in this world is a perfect place. I'm not going to say where I am... but I'll give you a hint. As I type this I am in a forest of pine trees, looking out at the ocean and there are snow-capped peaks behind me. The weather is perfect. I can hear the ocean waves on the shore. The place is perfect. But a lot of one's perception of whether a place is perfect depends on things other than geography. I am happy and completely content with my life.

I would recommend you look into Buddhism to deal with your feelings of bicultural discontent and not feeling there is any perfect place, what Mr. H. refers to as the feeling that "your home is now divided". That is what worked for me in dealing with reverse culture shock.

The Buddhists have a saying (from the Diamond Sutra, I think) that rings true in my life experience (including a kidnapping in Colombia, various surgeries, and many trips to the dentist):

"This very body the Buddha, this very earth the Lotus Paradise"

:-)

plátano

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ws244 says on Aug 20, 2005, 21:36:

spain We are not talking about a city, no different than San francisco which is also liberal politically and equality correct. We are speaking of Spain as a country as well as the others as in the previous post. The men run all these countries and women do not. If this were not the case then the Basque party would be non existant in Spain for men make war not women. Just the facts and liberated women have their double standard in life to suit them as usual.

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DayTripper says on Aug 21, 2005, 14:23:

The more south you travel .... The more south you travel in the world you see two things:
1) the food is better
2) the men are more macho.

Maybe it is not good how south americans threath their women.
But thanks god there are still Latinas in this world.
I fear that in 20-30 years they will all be turned into Gringas.
The idea scares me!

Thank god I live right now.
Hail to all Latinas.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 21, 2005, 16:08:

Chile Platano, sounds like Chile.

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sydneygirl says on Aug 21, 2005, 17:30:

each time is different Each time Im in a country it is different if its a significant break that is. I actually thought that the people in Bogota never smiled!. But I get what you mean about Europe. When I was in prauge I noticed that.

That said, the second time around....Im back in Colombia and things are so different. I changed my situation though.....heaps more independant this time. Anyway answering your Q.
If you set to your mind exactly what you dont want to slip back into when you get home, and make a real effort to make "different" friends from the ones you had before you left and experience some new things, cultural things or classes or what ever, it wont be the same....no. Fastest way to change things? Get you own apartment, even if its only for a few months, you should be able to affoard it of you have been working and saving in Europe.

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 00:55:

ws244 Firstly, all this talk against strong women makes you sound jaded. I bet your wife or wives have left you at one point in time because you didn't treat them right.

Yet more stupidity fom you...

""Yes, greece, turkey, spain, and thailand, all wonderful vacation hotspot countries where liberated women go but ignoring the fact in these same countries women know their place, and the men are in charge no different than in colombia.""


Some of the largest companies in greece are run by women. Not only that but women hold more than half of the governments highest positions. More than half of the board and the organizing commitee for the Olympics in Greece was women. The mayor of Athens is a woman and she keeps getting re-elected time after time. The rate of women who hold political positions in Greece is not very high like other european countries BUT is still higher than the UNITED STATES.

Turkey is slowly becoming one of the more liberal muslim nations. More women in turkey are getting their masters and PHds than men in turkey. They have taken over schools and are slowly becoming more popular in the business world. Turkey's prime minister, the leader of the country between 1993 and 1995 WAS A WOMAN.

Inform yourself before you speak. YOu talk about the liberated women of the US yet its a fucking country that no woman will ever be president of in the near future. And so far Condeliza Rice (in 2004) was the only woman in US history to hold as high of a position as she does.

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 01:26:

She claims that she wont run. But if she ran against a male republican I'm afraid she would lose.

If she ran against republican Condie Rice then she might win because people dont seem to like what Condie did before and after September 11th.

Anyway this has nothing to do with W224's stupid uninformed comments.

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ws244 says on Aug 22, 2005, 12:47:

sylvie People with any class or character do not post foul language on public boards. I wonder if their language is the same in church.
Education does not equate to class and character, something many people can not comprehend, particularly younger ones.
Yes women do hold public office, etc. however men are still head of the families in all those countries, much to the scorn of liberated women.

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ws244 says on Aug 22, 2005, 12:49:

miguel Martha is a convicted felon, yet praised by women, particularly the liberated ones. Just shows how U.S. society has degenerated.

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tulip-ana says on Aug 22, 2005, 13:02:

ws244 you would be surprised to see how in Colombia the men are not the ones that are the "head of the families" we say: madre no hay sino una, padre es cualquier hijueputa. women are the ones ruling that patriarchal society and it happens BECAUSE these men never have done anything for helping the families. they just let the women pregnant and go away. i wish we had more "liberated women" but earlier, since they are young so they would not let men to ruin their lifes and make them respect them from the beginning. too bad that we learn the lesson too late.

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 13:28:

ws244 you still have no clue of what your talking about. Doubt you've ever been to Greece or Turkey.

For 59 years old you're quite stupid. And you sound like a bible thumper. Speaking of no class. Guys who brag about how white their internet girlfriend who spends their money back home is not the ideal definition of tact.

boy does the stupidness on this site amaze me!

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Crazy Eagle says on Aug 22, 2005, 16:27:

that's stupidity No such word as "stupidness", Sylvie! ;-) Luv ya babe!

"Let there be spaces in your togetherness" Kahil Gibran

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 22, 2005, 16:35:

I would hope condi would win! Yes, i hope that hilary and condi would run against each other, if only one female runs then im afraid that all the men that think that women " cant handle" war would vote against who ever runs! i think to women would be the best election!

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platano says on Aug 22, 2005, 16:53:

Crazy Eagle, Sylvie was correct in the use of the word.... Sylvie's use of the word "stupidness" was appropriate. Sylvie is intelligent, like most women. According to the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd edition) the word "stupidness" has been in use since the 1600's.

Stupidness 1. quality of being stupid.

Etymology: 16c: from Latin stupidus senseless, from stupere to be stunned.

1689 SHERLOCK Death iii. §6 (1731) 139 We may be cut off by a sudden Stroke, or seized with Distraction or Stupidness.
1725 Bradley's Family Dict. s.v. Lethargy, A Person is threaten'd with this Distemper, when..he grows sluggish, and percieves a Stupidness upon himself and is always inclin'd to Sleepiness.

Plátano, el bobo simplón
Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

plátano

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poco says on Aug 22, 2005, 16:59:

To be expected US yet its a fucking country.

What do you expect when there are no Minimum Standards, No education, talent or money required, it’s free and many are willing to engage in this activity working overtime with No pay and rising to the top requires a change in position.

Woman like dresser, someone always going through drawers.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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ws244 says on Aug 22, 2005, 17:09:

syl The young lady is obviously jealous of other women, my guess of the more traditional non liberated ones no matter what their color.

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 17:56:

I'm jealous of what? The fact that I don't have to whore myself out to dirty old men like yourself in order to be able to buy myself clothing and car. Jealous of non-educated women who can’t work and earn their own money? Jealous of women who are stuck at home all day cleaning dirty bums, clothing, floors and everything else and then having to ask for money from some guy in order to buy some new shampoo or a lipstick? Jealous of women who live in constant fear of being left by their husbands with no money, no job and no education? Jealous of having to do "Sexual acts" with men they don’t love in order to have a roof to live under?

hmmmmm, let me think about it. I DONT THINK SO! It’s more like I have sympathy for them. I love being an educated woman. I love the fact that once I graduate I'll be making more money in a year than you'd probably make in 5 years. I'll be able to work and have as many kids as I want and I'll be darn proud in the fact that I'll be buying them the best education that I can. And be extremely proud to show any daughters I have that women are important to society and that if they won’t feel the need to whore themselves out to guys like you in order to eat, shop and enjoy life. They'll marry for the right reasons not the wrong ones like you want your traditional women to do. I have everything I want and life and even more. I love my life and everyone in it and I dedicate much of my time to help men a women find the same love of life. Jealousy doesn’t exist in my vocabulary.

And as the great Timothy Leary said "Women who seek to be equal to men lack ambition"

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ws244 says on Aug 22, 2005, 18:26:

jealous What an inferiority complex young lady. Every post is you, you, you, with such hateful language besides resentment towards men. Your postings i trust are a wakeup call to others that education does not automatically equate one also to class and character in life. Have your girls first, and only girls at that if you are fortuneate enough to have children in the first place, then good luck in dictating to your children who they will marry or not, or you do believe in arranged marriages afterall.

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Sylvie says on Aug 22, 2005, 18:32:

I have no resentment towards men. I have resentment towards people who cant treat all humans as equals. And I'm just refuting your ridiculous accusations. Stop stating things about me that aren't true and you wont see me writing any more about myself. Thought that was common sense....but you don't seem to have much of that.

You still haven't told me what about these oppressed women I'm jealous of. Face it you're an awful person and should be ashamed of yourself.

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Sonny says on Aug 22, 2005, 19:04:

ws244 Yes, greece, turkey, spain, and thailand, all wonderful vacation hotspot
Where do you get your information??? Women know their place,no different then In Colombia??
Is this your idea of how a woman should be treated? I nedd to ask this because you are coming off a a person that simply enjoys making women look second class. It is comments such as yours that lead to the posts that have followed concerning you attacks on Silvie.
My fiance is a human resourse manager for a major company in Colombia and answers to another woman not a man. She is leaving this week to come here but is being replaced by two women and one man.
This come from hard work and respect from others that was earned by her ability to do her job and hold her head high.
It would be nice to see you stop the woman bashing comments.
Silvie , just stop responding to this person and maybe he will go away.
ws244, be apart of the solution and not the problem. Things can change. Remember that the toes you stop on today may very well be attached to the ass you will have to kiss tomorrow.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 22, 2005, 19:28:

Well, in Elmo's case, he's not only looking forward to kissing that ass but burrowing up it like a badger.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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BAQ says on Aug 22, 2005, 20:14:

WOW, this is a pretty cool fight.

Semper Fidelis !

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Sonny says on Aug 22, 2005, 20:25:

UTC I must admit she is a head turner. Elmo's in a bad way I think. :-)
Interesting. A beaver and a badger.

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ws244 says on Aug 22, 2005, 20:56:

son Read the bible if you are a Christian, it explains everything. Do you want a wife, or someone to support you, for you will be home full time raising the kids, as obviously her work effort is her priority in life, and being equal to 3 other mortal humans will preclude her from being much of a wife.

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CaryGrant says on Aug 22, 2005, 21:49:

Ok, much as I think Sylvie and Quince are way out to lunch on some things, I can't support the "women knowing their place" idea. Men and women are equal, but different. (On top of that generalization, of course, all of us are individuals.) Those differences may lead to different roles in the home and relationship. But never, ever, in my view, do they make one person subordinate to another.

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poco says on Aug 22, 2005, 23:26:

Pickled And as the great Timothy Leary said "Women who seek to be equal to men lack ambition"

I see you have a HERO. I was in High School when Leary introduced a generation to the wonders of LSD and ruined many lives. It is doubtful he had sufficient cognizant ability to understand the damage he promoted in the mid 60’s, but his goal was to undermine the white male structure of authority. Yes, makes you a little more understandable.

A person who becomes obsessive towards a single idea may show a compulsion to defend their ideals against any perceived opposition. Having this obsessive-compulsive personality disorder is easy to spot, especially contained in your posts.

Your continuing compulsion to belittle the thoughts of others as a defense for your thoughts is not a normal behavior. Your continuing posts will not give you the “control” you obviously seek. Quite the opposite is true, Not everyone, probably less than 50% of the women in the world share your views, nor would they desire the outcome and may become polarized against your ideas.

Why seek group (womens) equality when awareness and betterment of ones self should be the goal, the only goal where you have ultimate control.

Timothy Leary’s dying words were said to be: "Why? Why not? WHY NOT? Why not? Why not? Why not?" and later, "Beautiful."

Never fly upside down in an airplane and,,, PIECE.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 00:12:

subordinate A good decision is never made in a round table discussion. In life a final decision in life is made by one person. Suggest one read history. The bible says the man is to be head of the family, and the woman as a rule is head of the household.
Except for the U.S. Canada, and the U.K. with equal rights and equality laws, the rest of the western and eastern civilized world ignores them.

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Sylvie says on Aug 23, 2005, 00:17:

Poco, it is very easy for the simple minded to discredit the many insightful writings of a non-conformist. Sadly, when an individualist, such as Leary, contributes as much as he did to the study of sociology, there will always be brainwashed sheep to discredit him (due to the fact that are far too easily influenced by conformist society.)

I'll give credit to a published author of over 40 published writings on the social sciences before I give credit to some 59 year old narrow minded man who has the occasional brain fart and keeps repeating the same thing over and over again without actually backing up his statements.

Your claim that I suffer from obsession compulsion personality disorder is laughable. I'm simply refuting his assumptions with facts. You do know the difference between facts and opinions, right?

Poco, if I were you I would be less concerned with my supposed disorder and more concerned with your debating skills. If one should want to provide good and proper evidence to back up a statement they must provide accurate, precise, sufficient, representative, authoritative and clear evidence. Your comment of “probably less than 50% of the women in the world share your views” is a perfect example of poor debating skills.

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 00:19:

to tul etc A woman has the decision to become pregnant or not in todays world, at least in the civilized world, but according to you it is all the mans fault. Suggest you go to the library and read up on your biology as It takes 2 to produce one i recall.

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tulip-ana says on Aug 23, 2005, 01:18:

you go to your bible... because in colombia, the contraception is still bad seen by the church. that is how it is. abortion is bad seen too, so there is no option. even if you are raped still you are supposed to have the baby... oh how i wish my country would be filled with more "liberated" women and men.

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Sonny says on Aug 23, 2005, 06:23:

ws244 If it is your desire to show all of us the brain fart you possess then you have done a great job. The Bible says that the man is the head of the house hold true. The women is under his covering and is to be protected by her husband. You stop short of understanding the meaning of a family but the word respect others comes to mine on which you fail completely at it's understanding. Don't suggest to others to read the Bible when you have not done so yourself of you would never make such statements as that.

"A good decision is never made in a round table discussion. In life a final decision in life is made by one person."

It may be that the final decision may be made by one and that person could well be a woman. No war was won by one man'/ woman's decision. It is with the communication of many that wins a war.
I would think that your a very young person maybe in your teens that has for the first time he his life put on long pants and has just opened the Bible and read something that leads you to think that God made women to only run the house as you put it. It says that no place in the bible. If your desire is to just write without thinking, Congradulation!!!!! you pulled it of.

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Sonny says on Aug 23, 2005, 06:30:

Read the bible if you are a Christian, it explains everything. Do you want a wife, or someone to support you, for you will be home full time raising the kids, as obviously her work effort is her priority in life, and being equal to 3 other mortal humans will preclude her from being much of a wife.

The word stupid comes to mine here.You write without reading. You write without thinking. SHe was a single mother with a child that worked her way with the help of GOD to get where she did without the help of narrow minded inbeciles such as you helping her stay at home.
You have just passed to the next level. Sand box I

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 08:56:

tul Well at least we do not have to worry about you being pregnant. Now it is your duty to tell all of your girlfriends to not have sex.
By the way it does take 2 people to make babies, but one never hears liberated thinking people blaming themselves in life, but rather everything else and everyone else as in the above case, the church and the man.

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 09:13:

so Well she is the one that became pregnant in the first place, so why not start in the beginning on her lack of responsibility of becoming pregnant. I know she was dumb enough to go in the alley in the first place but it was still not her fault. Glad she found you to marry her, for she gets to move to another country, she gets all the benefits of another country, she gets a father for her kid, and since someone has to stay home and watch the kid it must going to be you. How fortuneate you will not have to work for a living any longer. Since You people do not believe in the writings of the church, it must be the God of the liberated you are speaking of.

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 09:21:

son and decision Head of the family, not the house, and there is a difference. In the end one makes the decision, man or woman, roundtables are merely for pacification and gratification. Well they are all communicating over the war in Iraq and still losing, so that statement is incorrect.

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 09:31:

syl Poor language on a public website. Once again demostrates ones education does not necessarily also equate to ones class and character in life. Someone at 59 has 59 writings on the science of everyday life, not 40 writings of classroom theory on the lack of equality of the masses.

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BAQ says on Aug 23, 2005, 10:33:

OK, here we go The Vatican has their head buried so far in the sand regarding the “Real world”, they do a grave disservice to their followers. I am a “Christian” however I would never just BLINDLY follow the teachings of any religion, ESPECIALLY trying to apply a literal interpretation from the Bible (A document that has been translated, retranslated, and translated again).

Semper Fidelis !

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Sonny says on Aug 23, 2005, 11:08:

ws244 I have changed my mind about you. You have failed Sand Box 1. She was married and husband died.
Your a poor excuse of a human and without thought to what you write but I have desided that is what you want from this site is to argue with whom ever will argue with you. Your stupid, a poor excuse of a Bible thumper, like to argue and fight but hide behind a blank web site because you are not man enough to stand up to women , which I might add control you or you would not be so negative in your writing. You wanting all of us to think you a he man when I feel you zip your pants from the side. You wife or girlfriend if you even have one still dresses you funny and your mommy still cleans your bottom which most of the crap is coming from your mouth. If your a man and have something between your legs then you need to spit it out because it does not belong to you.
If your trying to be a man then start acting like one. Get a life and grow up. Write what you want but this is my last comment to a low life like you. Time to flush this toilet.

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kernow62 says on Aug 23, 2005, 11:34:

Personally I want a wife who will support me so that I can stay home, I also want her to cook for me, wash and clean up after me, willing to pleasure me sexually whenever I want... Well 2 out of 3 isn't bad is it?

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Sylvie says on Aug 23, 2005, 12:29:

I find it HILARIOUS when people can't debate properly so instead of presenting facts, proper evidence, or reasoned opinion they go on talking about the other persons use of language. hahahahaha

You throw around the word class as if you knew the definition. You CLEARLY DON"T. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=class

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 12:56:

so What negative and sorid language to speak of on a public website. You would do not dare to think to speak to your mother, father, or priest like this. Once again education does not equal class and character, no different than having on a tuxedo or gown at a formal gathering, then having the above kind of language spewing out of ones mouth.

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 13:12:

baq Yes, there is a disservice in many ways, but you have been around long enough to know gray has always been between the black and white in any facet of life, and yet just by your posts you obviously have the character to deal with it in a civil way.

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Sonny says on Aug 23, 2005, 15:27:

ws244 "I know she was dumb enough to go to the alley anyway" This is what you wrote about a woman.
You speak of class??? You down women, talk trash, degrade others talk about GOD at the same time and then you dare to talk class?
You are a Hypricate in it's true form.

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 16:00:

dumb Well if you had also included the first sentence of the paragraph, that part of the quote would have shown its true contex. It takes 2 to produce one, and the quote was in response to the same liberated womens blame game.
So i will turn this around "If i was dumb enough to go in to the alley" the difference being no matter the result of the outcome at least i would blame no one but myself and not on the blame game.
Check your spelling of the word hipprocrite.

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adrimm (☼Travelguide writer) says on Aug 23, 2005, 16:05:

cam0940 says on Aug 23, 2005, 16:24:

As usual.. The truth probably lies somewhere between the two poles in this argument. WS244 has some points if you listen to what he's saying. But like I was mentioning to Silvie yesterday, the Bible says the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ was the head of the church. Immediately after that it says the husband should love the wife as Christ loved the church. If two become one, then as you mistreat her you do damage to yourself, by creating resentment, discord, and then you have no peace in your relationship. Let's not get hung up on the wording unless we understand the totality of what's being said.

BAQ happens to be right on this subject. The Vatican is so far off base it's just a shame. They ARE doing a disservice. Don't want to take up too much space here, but for those who require examples I'd be happy to provide them in a subsequent post.

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 16:55:

speeling She was supposed to catch that, i also spelled check with a "chect" but decided to catch two words in one post would be a little above ones head.

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kernow62 says on Aug 23, 2005, 17:01:

I think she was just being nice to you by not pointing out the other error. If you are not sure of the correct spelling then send Gomezman5 a PM; he is our resident spelling expert. ;-)

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ws244 says on Aug 23, 2005, 17:19:

cam Correct, however the purpose of these women posters are really with an underlying theme of endless posts of dirty old men, young girls, and inequality in the life of women.
Liberated women have no use for the church, as they perceive the church historically as the avenue of men to dominate them. the church has / had a more important mission however in promoting social order, notwithstanding though history being full of religious wars.
The more equality the less social order there is in a society. The
demands for endless equality means more attacks on the foudations of social order, being the churches. The only way for equality opportunists to achieve total equality is to destroy the church.
Once churches are destroyed they will have achieved their goal of a secular society.

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kernow62 says on Aug 23, 2005, 18:42:

Actually we pagans were had highly developed social order long before Christianity. So I don't see how this is a threat to the "church". Pagans have had to put up with persecution by the church for centuries, I say live and let live. You have your beliefs and I have mine.

I say if a woman wants to be equal that is fine by me, I have no qualms with sending women into battle on the front lines. If the nation has a draft again, then by all means draft women equally. I like assertive women, I like women who pay for dates, I like women who will let me stay home with the kids while they work, or better yet just let me stay home with the babysitter. ja ja

Remember Boadicea? Now there's a woman I could respect!

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platano says on Aug 23, 2005, 21:36:

My friend Tacitus was telling me about Boadicea yesterday... but the story was Boadicea, by a dose of poison, ended her life. Do you know anything about why she commited suicide?

plátano

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Sylvie says on Aug 23, 2005, 21:39:

kernow you naughty boy! I hope your wife hires a really hideous babysitter :-P

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Albatross says on Aug 24, 2005, 04:18:

Stupidity The word is stupidity... not "stupidness".

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Sylvie says on Aug 24, 2005, 04:25:

You'll notice that I actually started off using the word stupidity then for some reason switched to stupidness....I don't know why.

In any case both stupidity and stupidness are in the oxford dictionary. So I suppose it has become accepted.

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kernow62 says on Aug 24, 2005, 04:39:

Platano, nobody is sure if she poisoned herself or whether she fell in battle. In fact there is so little written about her from the time in which it happened that it is amazing that her legacy continues. I would assume based on what I have read tht if she did survive the final battle (somewhat doubtful because she would have been quite a prize to take back to Rome to parade, torture and kill) then believing she had not avenged the death of her husband etc. she would have indeed poisoned herself. The interesting thing is that her reasons for destroying the Roman capital in Britain as well as London was to avenge the loss of her own family. The moral, don't mess with a woman's children!

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quindioman says on Aug 24, 2005, 05:32:

LMAO "If you are not sure of the correct spelling then send Gomezman5 a PM; he is our resident spelling expert. ;-)" Kernow62

It's comments like this that keep me coming back to PBH.....jejeje

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cam0940 says on Aug 24, 2005, 08:13:

No kernow, you didn't Before Christianity, social order was still highly religious and still male dominated. If you want to talk history, it was far worse for women then than it is now. I'm not sure where you were going with that one. On women in combat: interestingly, women tend to shoot just as well if not better than men. However, despite all the talk of equality, most guys still have traces of a characteristic called chivalry. If you have a woman in a foxhole next to you, it changes the chemistry of the foxhole. And even though you're there to fight a war, the reality is a lot of wartime is spent doing nothing. Long periods of nothing interrupted by sporadic outbursts of action. Long periods of nothing, with men and women together, produce things like prostitution and babies. Surely you know this from the first Iraq war. This happened. Not to mention all the other things that went on: soldiers making moonshine to take on dates with female troops. Come on.

Speaking of chivalry, most women still like for men to treat them like a gentleman. Like to have doors opened for them and chairs pulled out. All that originates with not being equal, but I don't hear anybody complaining about that.

Speaking for myself, man and woman are not equal. Neither is complete without the other. We need them just as much as they need us. Equal means the sexes would be interchangeable, and I'm just not buying that.

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Albatross says on Aug 24, 2005, 08:23:

. The elephant in the room is that women want power, not equality.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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kernow62 says on Aug 24, 2005, 12:26:

I would rather be in a foxhole with a woman than a man any day. I wouldn't care who won the war. ja ja

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Aug 24, 2005, 12:40:

I'd rather be in a foxhole with kernow than with the bible dude. At least I'd die laughing instead of being bored to death.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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cam0940 says on Aug 24, 2005, 13:14:

Desi, That's a funny comment. Unfortunately when bullets start flying and you have that moment of clarity that people are really trying to kill you, EVERYBODY gets religious. If you defend the Bible it's just--it just is what it is. I don't believe in trying to force anybody to believe one thing or another. They either do or they don't. I usually only speak up when someone has said something that is just plain untrue about what the Bible says. For example, that in order for you to believe the Bible, it means women have to be second class citizens. That's just nonsense.

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BAQ says on Aug 24, 2005, 14:14:

Cam0940 How TRUE, and I am sure there are others here (like myself) that have experienced combat under fire. When you hear rounds whizzing by your head and you watch a round turn one of your friends faces into a lump of unrecognizable flesh, YES you get religion. There is an old saying about combat and it is very true "There is no such thing as an athirst in a foxhole". As far as women being submissive, well, I for one don;t want my wife to be my doormat. I want her to be my "Partner". Honestly, sometimes, we as men need a woman to give us a reality check, stand up and say, "Have you lost your fuc*ing mind". It works for me anyway, hahahah.

Semper Fidelis !

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