I have a question, why do these men have to go to other country for a woman

ColombianoGringo says on Dec 14, 2006, 14:34:

Don't generalize I thought you had already addressed this topic in another thread.

First of all...

What do you care how someone meets their wife? How does it affect you in the least? What right do you have to criticize these men and women for looking for a foreign spouse?

Second...

Many men(myself included) do not wish to marry an American women for many reasons. Now my case is a little different in that I am a Colombian who was born and reared in the US. I wanted to find a good, traditional Colombian woman. I did not find her through a marriage agency, but I wouldn't see anything wrong with it. I have the advantage of having lots of family in Colombia and I have been a million times since I was a baby. Some others don't have these opportunities and must resort to marriage agencies.

However, American or European men AND women have the right to choose anyone they want as their spouse. Based on one of your posts, you state that you are married to an American man. You perceive this to be OK for you, yet you call other Colombian women who want an American man the equivalent of mail order visa whores. While I'm sure a certain percentage of these women are looking for a way out of Colombia, for you to generalize is as insulting to women as the posts that you criticize on this site.

You have a right to your opinion, but you have no right to judge others for their life choices. You have made your opinion very clear. How about giving it a rest now?

Mario says on Dec 14, 2006, 14:54:

ColombianoGringo How long have you been in Houston? What do you think of the Chicanas here that wear the tacky midriff-baring tops when they're looking like they're vying for a role in the next Michelin tire commercial? I've never seen that at Mi Pueblito... And how is that Melaos club off of 59 and Wilcrest?

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

njtea5 says on Dec 14, 2006, 15:05:

What does it matter.. Last time I checked there was plenty of American Men married to American Women... Its true what is it to you where some one finds their wife.. Facts are Facts Colombian Women are hotter and take better care of thier men... Like mi mama!!! Love you mommy...

ColombianoGringo says on Dec 14, 2006, 15:10:

How long have you been in How long have you been in Houston?

I grew up in the Woodlands. I have lived here most of my life.
Much too long!

What do you think of the Chicanas here that wear the tacky midriff-baring tops when they're looking like they're vying for a role in the next Michelin tire commercial?

Well. If I can't say anything nice ...

Haha

jay1234 says on Dec 14, 2006, 16:31:

I am guessing it is the money I imagine that if there was money to be made from a gringa looking for love in Latin America website, then there would be some...or thousands. No money to be made = no websites. I wonder how the percentages of American women looking overseas vs. men stacks up. I am (again) guessing it is disproportionately males who look overseas. I guess you could start your own site and find out...
Strobers, I am sensing that you have a crush on her. Don't hide your true feelings, jajaja.

famsearch says on Dec 14, 2006, 16:52:

all i know... ...is that i may be one of the rare ones, i didn't go looking, it just happened. =)
dan

dan

goin_south says on Dec 14, 2006, 17:12:

I think we're trying to avoid women like you,... sweetg. (Except of course,....for strobers.)(But don't make him a sandwich; make him an arepa con queso!)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Dec 14, 2006, 17:18:

We go to Colombia, because.... you know, sometimes you just have to get out of the house ;)

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 14, 2006, 17:50:

I thought the topic of US vs Colombian women was taboo!!?? Every time on PBH i made comments including about 100 ways the Colombiana is better than the US variety, it gets **deleted**.....maybe we can get a "ruling" from a moderator.....i am sure that some interesting "input" would be forthcoming....i can only speak for the local California women, but i believe Golddigging 101 is taught at a very early age, maybe 10 or 12 years of age????? =)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

sweetg30 says on Dec 14, 2006, 17:59:

my feelings are so hurt You're trying to avoid women like me? well I was born and raised in Barranquilla-Colombia until the age of 19, that's when I came here, So I guess I'm damaged good lol, why you get so agitated i just asked a simple question because I want to find out what's so especial about these ladies. Anyway I cook only when I feel like it and today it's not my husbands lucky day, maybe next time. I'm a bad evil woman and I think you have more time in your hands then I do, why you keep on answering? just ignore me

sweetg30 says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:02:

How about I make you a sandwich but with special ingredients, would you like that?

morphus says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:06:

sweetg30, where do you live now?

TioJoe says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:16:

Divorce When I married 15 years ago civil divorce was not allowed in Colombia only separation. This was a major consideration since a very common refrain from many american women I dated was "If it doesn't work out we could always get a divorce". The inequality to dissolve a marriage in the USA was also a painfull recent reminder of why ANY american wife was not an option. SweetG - I met my wife the old fashioned way before the websites but there is a simple answer to your question why there are no websites offering american women as foreign brides. The truth is in the foreign countries I have visited american women are just not held in very high regard. Sorry gentlemen -- civil divorce is now allowed in Colombia -- they changed the constitution right after I married so be nice.

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:27:

Shit, TJ, the american woman is regarded the same in the US... IMVHO......=)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Mario says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:29:

To sweetg30 When I met my wife I knew right off the bat that she was completely different than the women I was used to interacting with in any way, shape or form. We developed a bond that was very close, very quickly. There is a sensibility in her natural way that I had juxtaposed against what I was used to, and it was enlightening to me to see that the differences between her and any typical woman from the U.S. were like night and day. It's been over two years since we met and we're still not together but we will be in two weeks and we will be full-time by the end of next Summer.

After all is said and done, this will not have been what might be called an "easy come - easy go" relationship like so many have the tendency to be in the U.S. We've come a long way together - with respect for each other and mutual admiration as well. Colombian women who come from a good family, with a decent education harken back to the women who used to exist in the U.S. 50 years ago (although women here didn't go out and get a good education - most were "domestic servants" and the husband was the breadwinner then) and that's exactly "what the doctor ordered" for me.

I'm so tired of the modern rationale that relationships are disposable. That materialism rules in our lifestyles. That a marriage can't be about commitment and trust - and that's my 2 fokin cents on your topic.

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

Swinn88 says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:31:

SweetG because no one else wants to answer your question and they prefer to leave tire tracks across your body because you offended them(I don't know how but i'm used to it at PBH now). There is nothing wrong with the women where you are, and far less men seek women in other places than you may think. Most people at PBH I believe, but i'm not sure have come upon there significant others in the normal way. Some have visited Colombia for whatever reason and loved it. If you love a place you are bound to love it's people. As for hotness yes there are some very hot colombians however I have seen some very ugly ones also(no one at this site would ever admit to that statement). Generally speaking I personally can't say that colombians are hotter nor Americans hotter because I have met some very hot!! Hotties in both places(and no! the Hotties here were not Colombians). Sometimes you venture off. It's kind of like asking a white girl why she's with a black guy. Unless they have very strong feelings against it then it is quite possible that they can fall for a guy, be he from Africa, colombia, canada or wherever. I personally welcome all types of women be they a different color, ethnicity, or country. As far as websites for women seeking men i'm sure there is something out there. You just have to look. Dating services are all over the Net in all languages. PBH members give people a break and stop ganging up on them. It's the internet for goodness sake and written words very often are misunderstood. I dont's think SweetG meant to offend anyone.

By the way the hottest woman I have ever met in my life was from the philippines. Also the ugliest women I have ever met was also from the Philippines.

aztec says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:35:

Simple... ...the Colombian people are on average the most beautiful on earth. On the other side of the mirror one would find the beautiful Scandinavian people.

All the rest of us fall somewhere below those standards.


Now how is that for an opinionated response to the question posed by sweetg30?

Swinn88 says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:36:

ok!
maybe she did mean to ok!
maybe she did mean to offend. Naw I don't believe that I think she's just offnded that she was attacked so harshly. Mario Great explanation as to why you are with a colombian. I know many that feel like you. Good luck and I hoep everthing eventually works out.

Swinn88 says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:38:

Some hotties but I wouldnt say on average they are the hottest.

Mario says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:42:

Thanks Swinn88 I lapsed and spoke from the heart but I expect the typical flames to be forthcoming...

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

Mario says on Dec 14, 2006, 18:46:

"I want a woman... ...just like the one that married Dear Old Dad"

and "Dave's Not Here". Some of you will get my drift...

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

Plato says on Dec 14, 2006, 19:49:

It sounds like a troll question to me - sweetg30's.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

elchantajista says on Dec 14, 2006, 19:49:

misconception People think that ;the bottom of the barrel or guys who can't get nothing in the EE UU are the reason we go to Colombia I THINK NOT, I think u have to make good money to even afford to go there on a regular basis, thereby if u have money lets face it women are not really a problem, I go there because it's a challange for one thing, the women are not a shame of thier sexaulity, they r not afraid to be women they r wild unspoiled and agressive in bed, a Agentina asked me why do i waste my time going to Colombia, for the record, I WANT TO GO TO COLOMBIA not because i have to,it's my life and and i don't care about all the put downs , nothing against u sweet30 it's just people seem to worry about it,for the record I like women in thier mid 30"s I know a Colombiana that is 34 she could compete in the "hottest girl on the planet" she may not win but she will in the five lol, so don't take offense sweet30 it's just what we love to do and go and that's all there is to it, I think Colombiana r like a fine wine the older they get the better they taste. tan buenisima!!!!!!!

anda de parranda en Bogota
"Vicente"

anda de parranda en Bogota "Vicente"

sweetg30 says on Dec 14, 2006, 20:05:

I live under a bridge in Queens N.Y.

sweetg30 says on Dec 14, 2006, 20:10:

Strobers Yeah sit down and wait for it, and I don't care if I u forgive me or not. pa lo que a mi me importa

arthur brode says on Dec 14, 2006, 22:46:

http://www.husbands.com/ Bien Pueda!

http://www.calirentals.net/

goin_south says on Dec 14, 2006, 23:01:

organic mayonaise. ???? strobers! You're killin' me, dude!

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Dec 14, 2006, 23:10:

ELCHANTAJISTA! My sentiments, exactly! I couldn't have said it better. (I knew if I waited long enough, someone would re-iterate my thoughts in writing.) I jus didn't expect it to be a freakin COON-ASS ;)

As I said earlier, sometimes we just got to get outta the house, and rather than going downtown.... VA A COLOMBIA! VIVE COLOMBIA Y TODOS COSAS BUENAS COLOMBIA! Y, ESPECIALAMENTE, LAS MUJERES DE COLOMBIA!

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Dec 14, 2006, 23:14:

"I live under a bridge in Queens, N.Y.' C?... Sweetg30 = Elmo. He's always claiming to be livin under a bridge. Miami, Queens.... do they have any bridges in Barranquilla?

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

utopiacowboy says on Dec 15, 2006, 05:52:

How about a pic, Sweetg? Then we'll tell you how sweet you really are.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

sweetg30 says on Dec 15, 2006, 05:56:

No Galecito, They don't have any bridges in barranquilla or Colombia, poor us, that's why I moved over here so I could live under a bridge, lol!smarta** and I'm not elmo i wish i could talk to him, too bad you guys couldn't deal with him. i read some of his stuff and it was pretty darn funny. Some of you guys sometimes take things too personally

sweetg30 says on Dec 15, 2006, 05:59:

utopiacowboy no I don't give pic's to people i don't know My dating days are over, That was then and I used to have many pic's in my profile and used to got a lot a lot of responses, until my americanized beautiful a** met my lovely husband, he is a real man and knows how to deal with my sweet self.

utopiacowboy says on Dec 15, 2006, 06:00:

Elmo was run off by the feminazis in their never-ending attempts to censor free expression. He has gone underground and is leading the fight for freedom from tyranny and overflowing toilets.

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gringolondinense says on Dec 15, 2006, 06:25:

We have to join forces with our friends, to fight the detergents. We must bring an end to evil and violins.

JR says on Dec 15, 2006, 11:27:

Sweet G 30 here's your answer: Recently a "Husband Super Store" opened in the USA where women could go to choose a husband from among many men. It was laid out over five floors, with the men increasing in positive attributes as you ascended.

The only rule was, once you opened the door to any floor, you HAD to choose a man from that floor; if you went up a floor, you couldn't go back down except to leave the place, never to return.

A couple of girlfriends went to the shopping centre to find some husbands.

First floor
The door had a sign saying, "These men have jobs and love kids."
The women read the sign and said, "Well, that's better than not having a job or not loving kids, but I wonder what's further up?" So up they went.

Second floor
The sign read, "These men have high paying jobs, love kids, and are extremely good looking."
"Hmmm," said the ladies, "But, I wonder what's further up?"

Third floor
This sign read, "These men have high paying jobs, are extremely good looking, love kids and help with the housework."
"Wow," said the women, "Very tempting." But there was another floor, so further up they went."

Fourth floor
This door had a sign saying "These men have high paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, help with the housework and have a strong romantic streak."
"Oh, mercy me," they cried, "Just think what must be awaiting us further on!"

So up to the fifth floor they went.

Fifth floor
The sign on that door said, "This floor is empty and exists only to prove that women from the USA are f**king impossible to please.

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 15, 2006, 11:36:

JR,,that joke is making the email rounds again....=) i got it last week for the umpteenth time....but very true!

have you seen the Wife Store version?...it is just as hilarious!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Boatygringo says on Dec 15, 2006, 12:51:

Question Being kind of aged impaired if I didn't go to Colombia I would't be able to enjoy the company of 20 something year old chicas. Boatygringo

Boatygringo

alleycat says on Dec 15, 2006, 13:07:

it's usually because they can get a more attractive woman in colombia. not always but this is the main reason. supply and demand. the women who they desire in the u.s. don't find most of these guys very attractive. we'll consider 3 factors in a man's attractiveness; looks, personality, and money. let's also throw in age. there's a fairly strong cultural bias in the u.s. for men and women to connect with someone around their own age. most hot 20 something women won't even consider seriously hanging with someone twice their age. a 55 year old guy can go to colombia and connect with someone half his age. whether it works when they come back is another matter but at least he'll delude himself into thinking it will work. but discrepancies in attractiveness usually don't work. how many couples do you really see in everyday life where one partner is unattractive and the other a stunner? men go to colombia believing they can do better.

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 15, 2006, 13:17:

And that is your business and no one elses, BG! so continue living your life as you want to live it...hell, alleycat, in the Golddigging Capital of California, to a 20-something girl here, a 30 year old man is over the hill!!!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

TioJoe says on Dec 15, 2006, 14:26:

Deluded Alleycat you have truely made some valid points regarding money, looks and personality when us old men date young american women with age often being the determining factor. I found the same priorities in Colombia on my first visit but reversed in importance personality, looks and money with age not the deal breaker it is in the USA. I may have been one of those unattractive gentlemen that married a "hot 20 something woman" half his age that you have casually destined to fail. Still suffering the consequence of delusional passion as she kisses my bald head after these many years and yes I know many other similar "old is ugly" men equally as happy.

utopiacowboy says on Dec 15, 2006, 14:28:

I'm 85 and still quite happy with the high-quality inflatable doll (Monica Belluci model) that I imported. I forget what I'm supposed to do with her but she makes a nice squeaky sound when I rub her.

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timeforachangeofscenery says on Dec 15, 2006, 14:47:

Stop trying to understand me! To all the overly sensitive, indignant clowns who turn bright red every time some bored house-wife with too much spare time and unsupervised access to a p.c. questions one of their life choices, listen up.
There's a great big truckload of personal choices, emotions, idiosyncracies and other unfathomable motivations working together in concert to make a man do the things he does. Why does everything have to have a defendable, logical explanation ? Hell - some stuff gets done just because the guy doing it wants to know what's gunna happen next. Life isn't a box of chocolates baby.....it's your own personal adventure movie you make up as you go along.
SweetG, I went to Colombia because travelling is one of the things I do!! I dated a Colombian woman because as far as I know, there's no law against it. I married her because I love her and want to spend the rest of my life sharing my adventure with the funniest, sweetest, most caring woman in the world. I don't date american chicks cos as far as I'm aware, I'm not required to. - Thanks for listening.

Nena - I will spend my whole life through, loving you.....just loving you (K) ;)

aztec says on Dec 15, 2006, 14:50:

Damn good post Thanks for sharing timefor.

utopiacowboy says on Dec 15, 2006, 14:53:

If she's that bored maybe she could help me with my Pre-Cal. I wonder if she's a MILF?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 15, 2006, 15:02:

I THINK I can also answer that question There's a lot of guys that were caught in the time warp. With the empowerment of the modern woman in all "western" societies our men found out that they had had the rug pulled out from under their feet. Everything that they had been taught to believe in suddenly didn't make sense. They lost the sense of purpose, the sense of what it takes being a man since the values that they were taught by their fathers and mothers were not valid any longer. It wasn't a good thing any longer to be the protector, the breadwinner, the support and the head of the family; the new male role model was the equal male, the partner, the friend, the soul mate. This became too much of a challenge for some men, The ones who have no problem with the new set of values are the sons of my generation; they are in their twenties and getting into their thirties now and have no problem with the equal, empowered woman as their partner. They have been raised up to be equal and think of women on equal terms.

The extreme feminists went much too far seeking to bring justice and fairness but they believed that this could be achieved by being aggressive and hostile and putting down their men; a big mistake in my book. What they achieved instead was a counter reaction, the raunch culture and the serious backlash from men who felt that they had been wronged.

What we have here now is a group of men who go to countries where they hope to find good old fifties-type of housewifely values; the safe female that does not fight her man. The female that has her man as the main focal point in her life, more important than her children, her career, her friends, her family, The stereotypical Ruth of the Bible: "and I will follow you wherever you go and your people will be my people and your God will be my God".

Cheers,
Desi

«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

utopiacowboy says on Dec 15, 2006, 15:05:

Was Ruth of the Bible a MILF? If she was, then, yeah, I could handle that.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 15, 2006, 15:11:

sorry, UC? don't know what you mean. I not quite as slick as you.

Cheers,
Desi

«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

TioJoe says on Dec 15, 2006, 15:42:

Cheers Desi Drinking anchient age bourbon as I try to remember how old I am. Your point was expressed well however do you truely believe all us elderly gents are equality challenged? I am retired and my colombian wife has a carreer as an occupational therapist in Florida. She lovingly refers to me as her lifetime pension check while I think of her as my big paycheck. Seeking old fashioned values is a stretch in our relationship -- role reversal -- I clean the house and cook now however I did draw the line when she asked me to meet her at the front door after a hard day at the office butt naked and in high heels. We old men still have a little pride.

FredGarvin says on Dec 15, 2006, 15:51:

OMG... "Seeking old fashioned values is a stretch in our relationship -- role reversal -- I clean the house and cook now however I did draw the line when she asked me to meet her at the front door after a hard day at the office butt naked and in high heels. We old men still have a little pride."

...That is friggin' hilaaaaarious, TJ....

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 15, 2006, 15:55:

by no means, tio the great majority of the men of my generation have been able to adapt to the change. I do not wish to take anything away from you, least of all your pride. There are a few who have had a hard time accepting women as their partners, but they are a minority and I have no quarrel with anybody. To all you happily married Colombian/Gringo couples out there,
cheers,
Desi
«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

cam0940 says on Dec 15, 2006, 17:07:

That's a nice, academic analysis Desi. Of course, it's rhetoric. Even though you were critical of overzealous feminists, you are still basically attributing the phenomenon to men who can't handle change... aren't comfortable with progession... in other words, aren't comfortable in a "less dominant" role in the relationship... which misses the point entirely.

Men aren't that complicated. We do not enjoy argument or conflict for the sake of argument or conflict. We do not want life partners... someone whom we're going to share our homes, finances, children, our entire existence with... who's going to fight us every step of the way. We don't want to spend all our time with someone who has a psychotic, learned need to "prove" that they are equal in every aspect of life. We don't need someone to be in competition with us, hanging on every syllable out of our mouths, ready to pounce on us if something we say could be construed as sexist. We just want to be happy.

I'm in a competitive industry. The last place I want competition is in my home when I'm trying to relax. I want to come home, close the door, and be there with someone who's ON MY SIDE. Not an American woman who's there as long as she's on a pedestal and I'm her vassal. I don't need a woman to prove she can have a career, sacrifice what I think is valuable influence with our children, just so she can add her $32,000 to our 1040 at the end of the year. Don't worry about that. Even if it were $320,000, what would be the point? Business is good right now, and how much do you really need? If it's not about NEED, then it's about some other psychotic insecurity that WE don't need in our relationship. I don't want a woman challenging and second guessing everything I say--even my male friends don't do that. I don't want a woman conciously preserving her independence and/or individuality...that's the antithesis of marriage. I just wanted a regular, sane, secure partner with whom I could RELAX. And that's why I'm with Mrs. Cam.

TioJoe says on Dec 15, 2006, 17:35:

whew I just wanted sex

aztec says on Dec 15, 2006, 17:57:

cam0940, find myself agreeing... ...again with you.

I spent almost 40 years in a university community and it is replete with women who think like Desideria. Many of them are now lamenting the carnage left on the institution of marriage by this misguided philosophy.

Most of you men would be totally shocked by the content of courses in our esteemed Women Studies programs. I doubt if any of them would have the courage to publish the course listings in the local newspaper.

You will find in todays U.S. and European society men are reluctant to get married at all or at least waiting until after they are 30 or even 40 years old. Look around and discover how many women of 30 or above who are without partners and no prospects in sight.

The allegation that we men who want something different are only desperate is totally lacking in intellectual foundation. The facts are the "modern" woman as defined by the feminist is being rejected by a whole generation of men. The "liberated" women of the European and American culture are threatened by the discovery that men now have a choice.

In my own case after my wife died, before she was cold in her grave, the women came out of the wood work. They would just show up at my door. Had calls from states outside my own from women who I had never met. An older man in our culture has no problem finding a women. He just doesn't like what he sees!

In Colombia one can find a person who shares the same beliefs regarding marriage. Most of the Colombian women would prefer to remain in their own country after marriage.

bamapits3 says on Dec 15, 2006, 18:40:

Please can I say something I have not met one guy under 30 years old in medellin, I cant speak for other places, but if you want my personal opinion, there were only a few of these guys that out of many americans that I met down there that I would even want to be seen with. The truth and the whole truth, is they cant get any play back home so they go to a country where woman like knowing security is there. I am 20 years and and because Of the job I have as of now in the middle east my vacations have allowed me to travel the world. Why do you think all these guys arent in France/Italy.......Oh ya its cause they dont like european woman, they like spanish woman, thats crap, its cause european woman have taste and wont just mess with you because your american and there is no way that they could get a 20 year old when they are 40-50 years old........I am ready to hear what everyone has to say, because if you think different your a damn lie.....Remember I said there are a few guys who can do it in miami, europe, and south america, but all the others ones think they supposed millionaire status that they have will control these lil girls minds....get real....

aztec says on Dec 15, 2006, 19:16:

"your a damn lie", bamapits3.... ...my, my one can always tell when a worldly, sophisticated and intellectual mature person shows up. With so much life experience to share with the down trodden folks.

TioJoe says on Dec 15, 2006, 19:22:

Bamapits They advertise it as a sex tour to the men with a cheap flight to Colombia -- 10 girls to every guy in Medellin and Cali -- Sadly that is the ratio when they visit those areas. Most of these self professed millionaires could not buy dinner or a ticket to Europe without plastic. Many american "GENTLE MEN" of all ages visit your country on a different pretext. We are all not what you perceive. In general I agree with your post but you have a narrow view of the issue however your obsevation obviously comes with experience.

elchantajista says on Dec 15, 2006, 19:38:

u sound like a broken record BAM i'VE see a few guys that fit what u r talking about but most guy that go to Colombia, i think are just normal guys that LIKE Colombiana, and give your self a break,u need one, your cynical out look is rather odd cause one day u will be that older hombre and some young buck will be talking about u like u talking right now ,granted younger guys have it going on more than older guys but your disrespect will come back on u later on in life when u become a old hombre, get over the cynical " i'm better than u cause I'm younger" out look on life. my job takes me all over the wold also lived in different countries, i chose Colombia because i speak spanish if i spoke french or italian or german i'll probabaly choose them and they r American that live in euro, besides it's the chica that we go to see not somebody like u
so your opinion don't mean much
anda de parranda en Bogota
"Vicente"

anda de parranda en Bogota "Vicente"

cam0940 says on Dec 15, 2006, 19:57:

Over and over again, men have stated that they don't like what's available in their immediate area (mine being Los Angeles).

Not that they can't get a girl and therefore have to use an American passport or U.S. dollar to create an uneven playing field... we've simply stated that we didn't like what was available.

I'm 35. I have no doubt whatsoever about my ability to find a girl. It's Friday night in Los Angeles. If I wanted to meet someone I am quite confident that I could get dressed and go hook up within the next couple of hours. That's not the problem.

I don't shop at the Gap because I don't like the clothes selection. Sure I could buy, but they don't have what I'm looking for. Therefore, I go elsewhere.

I think it's painfully simple. So much so that it makes me wonder why some folks (overwhelmingly American and/or European women) continue to insist that it is something different than what we're telling you.

It's like marriage therapy. Women always want to go to marriage therapy because they assume the therapist is going to sit there and tell the husband all the things that are wrong with him. Never do they imagine that the therapist might have some suggestions for THEM. Never do they concede that maybe...perhaps...possibly...SHE could have some issues or baggage.

So when we men--who have relationships with women of other countries--cite the shortcomings of American women as a contributing factor, women stubbornly refuse to concede that they themselves might be part of the problem.

I used to call it the "Daddy's Little Girl" syndrome. Sweet little angel of a daughter is so precious, can never do any wrong, and then when she grows up she has trouble assuming responsibility for her own actions, difficulty correlating consequence to her decisions, and is typically a bona fide, Grade A blameshifter.

I'm really glad I don't have to deal with any more issued women. I know couples now where the husbands have been absolutely castrated by their wives, they're the butt of every joke, they get treated like they don't know anything... they're basically their wives' buffoons. You'll never in your life see Cam in that situation. I'm supposed to not be a man anymore because I'm married? And then every now and again, when she's in the mood, she's going to make it OK by giving me a little koo-koo? And I'm supposed to put up with all the other little bullshit in the relationship buying her shit, reading her mind, anticipating what she's thinking because she won't speak in plain language? Excuse my language but... fuck that. I'm 35, I'm getting too old for these little games. And then on top of all that, I have to wear an apron to cook dinner sometimes, wash dishes sometimes, wash clothes, take care of the kids, pay the bills, cut the grass or hire some illegals to do it, take out the trash, maintain the cars, put together bikes on Christmas...ALL this shit... just to prove that I'm comfortable with either of the traditional roles in the relationship. One question: While I'm doing all this shit, what is my WIFE supposed to be doing? I'll tell you A) Shopping B) Posted on the sofa watching TV or C) Working on her career for HER OWN PERSONAL FULFILLMENT.

Which leaves me, an eligible American man, asking myself "What do I need her for?" After a while, that occasional koo-koo she was offering just isn't worth it. After all, every woman's got one, including the Colombians.

elchantajista says on Dec 15, 2006, 20:15:

Good post Cam0940 for me it's all about living on the edge and going to Colombia u can really test your self; go out your comfort zone, u know u alive after that every day routine of work lol , but it's a great country and great people and regardless what some people say we go cause we want to; not cause we have few choices, i think one of Colombia draw is it's danger and of course it's beauty that's a combo that's hard to beat

anda de parranda en Bogota
"Vicente"

anda de parranda en Bogota "Vicente"

alleycat says on Dec 15, 2006, 20:19:

there does seem to be many of these guys who head south so they can try to hook up with a more passive and submissive ideal. american women simply don't need men the way they used to. this economic liberation, like desideria says, leaves these men angry and confused. but are colombian women really any different? my experience says no. not in this respect anyway. most women from every country i've visited are in fact more family oriented than american women but this can be traced to the extreme individualism that characterizes the u.s. and not some magical quality of a foreigner. once you scratch the surface of this intense family orientation the truth is it can be suffocating
and debilitating and leaves many believing they're getting far more than they bargained for. these guys aren't necessarily defective just stuck in a time-warp longing for the days when they ruled the roost.

Miguel says on Dec 15, 2006, 20:26:

Oye Don't give up your day jobs. Colombian experts you are not!

TioJoe says on Dec 15, 2006, 20:42:

Alleycat I am not confused -- again we say and I twice -- American women are in denial. Many american men do not like american women -- mind if I use your post as an example?

cam0940 says on Dec 15, 2006, 20:43:

Alleycat, where do you get that from?

I don't consider myself to be "angry" or "confused". I consider myself to be fed up but very rational and clear minded.

As a matter of interest, I'm Black. I've dated women of many different nationalities and colors. One issue in the Black community is often times--and I do mean often--when a Black woman sees a Black man dating someone of a different race or nationality... they get personally offended. They turn their noses up, they're rude, and they talk about you behind your back. They say you "Sold out". I won't get into it any further, just suffice it to say I've "been there and done that."

They rationalize it amongst themselves saying "He's weak and can't handle a strong Black woman". There are a million things wrong with that statement but what I want you to focus on is how similar it is to the American or European woman trying to analyze the Gringo who marries a Colombian.

The truth is, I don't want a woman to be rolling her eyes and neck every time we have an issue to discuss. I don't want her trying to tell me off all the time and then having her girlfriends say "You go girl," like she put me in my place or something.

I am Black. My mother and sisters are Black. My dear Grandmother is Black. But I decided in 2004 that fuck it, I'm not going out with any Black women any more. Ever. They look. They flirt. They disrespect my wife like they could steal me from her because they are the same race as me. But fuck it, I'm not interested.

In a way, they're right. I don't want a "Strong Black Woman" in the sense they imply. I want a wife. That doesn't mean a subservient or passive woman; my wife is anything but. It just means I don't have time to be arguing with you and I don't have time for you to be acting crazy. "Strong" to me means you can handle the time we are apart waiting for DHS to get your paperwork together. "Strong" to me means you can have a happy relationship with me in the U.S. although your family is 3000 miles away. "Strong" to me means you go to class every day to obtain the basic education necessary to function as an American citizen, even though English isn't your first language. "Strong" is NOT proving that you can earn as much money as me, drive as well as me, earn a postgraduate degree or professional designation like me, launch a company like me... you're NOT me, and I don't want you to be. I don't want a competitor, I want a partner, because alone I am not whole. I don't want a duplicate, I want a complement.

So aside from this feminist thing, you have Black women who are on this "I can do that too" shit to the nth degree from a Civil Rights era standpoint and from a feminist standpoint. But there are other issues... single parenthood... poverty... even if some of these girls do make it to middle class or upper middle class society, a lot of them are carrying issues that I just don't have time or energy to deal with. That's why--as a Black man--you consider other races. What we're discussing here regarding Colombian women--for me--is just an extension of the same.

If I don't like what the women around me are bringing to the table, I'm going elsewhere. It has nothing to do with being angry and confused. I'm a very conscientious skirt chaser. Or I was anyway, till I found my wife.

TioJoe says on Dec 15, 2006, 21:12:

Cam You said it better than I ever could -- my last word on this thread.

Crazy4Cali says on Dec 15, 2006, 22:25:

Gosh, that'll teach me to show up to the party late... Cam summed it up so well that if anyone still has a question, they clearly weren't paying attention.

At the risk of echoing his post (though in a far less eloquent fashion) I'll only add that my two serious relationships with American women were competitions. We were always on opposite sides, even when we were in agreement (go figure that one out). Each had to constantly "prove" something.

"Marriage is compromise." "Marriage is work." they both liked to say. Not knowing any better, I went along until I couldn't handle it any more. Eventually (and with a lot of help) I figured out that marriage doesn't have to be a compromise and while there's a lot of work involved it doesn't have to feel like work. It turns out when you're both pushing in the same direction: a) you can actually go somewhere and b) it takes a whole lot less effort then when you are always trying to see who can push the hardest.

With a partner, it doesn't matter who makes more money than whom. That only matters when you are competing.

Bottom line, I didn't specifically set out to marry a Colombiana, but I'm glad the one I met and married has shown me how wonderful a marriage can (should) be.

Swinn88 says on Dec 15, 2006, 22:26:

At the risk of sounding like an idiot (and I often do sound like one) I'd like to share a little something. My wife once asked me why do I love her and why am I with her. I told her simply...Because with you I truly feel like a man with a real woman. Let me explain. Just like Cam, It felt good, It was easy, no stress, no competition. She had her role and I had mine and we fit. Not submissive by any means,but she knew her role. I on the other hand treat her like women say they like to be treated, like I like to treat women, and she accepts that. we disagree, and argue and get mad sometimes and it doesn't matter. great gal she is. I let her be a true woman and she lets me be a true man.

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 15, 2006, 22:38:

This is it in a nutshell........ "The facts are the "modern" woman as defined by the feminist is being rejected by a whole generation of men." aztec.....

that is the F#$% at ^g TRUTH!


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

goin_south says on Dec 15, 2006, 23:25:

Desi said: "...men who go to countries where they hope to find good old fifties-type of housewifely..."

I WASN'T EXACTLY... looking for JUNE CLEAVER

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Dec 15, 2006, 23:25:

nor am I exactly sure how that double post happened.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Gomezman5 says on Dec 15, 2006, 23:38:

Who defines happiness? I have been following along, trying to understand why a whole lot of philosophical arguments are being set forth to justify a man's conduct. He does not owe an explanation to anyone. If an American man decides, for whatever reason, that a woman from a different culture, with different values, that happens to live in a foreign country is the woman that he so desires, wherein exists the problem?

I admit, some time ago, I had a hard time accepting these long distance marraiges as well. Just ask Mario. We almost had WWIII over it. However, I have had the time to see how many of these men have progressed happily with their new mates. Time has allowed me to change my perspective.

The only problem that I really have within this thread is that men are being forced to justify their conduct because many of the liberal/progressive feminist types put these men on the defensive when they assert, or at least infer, that the only reason that men marry these girls is so they can show off a young show piece that they happen to exploit and of course control. So that's what these people think. Or do they? Can it be that many of these middle aged women are just seeking excuses for the fact that finding a man is just that much more difficult for them because now men have an alternative. Competition can bring out the worse in people sometimes.

Guys.....forget the philosophy. You know why? Because all the philosophisizing and explanations in the world, is not going to convince your critics that what you are doing is not only your business, but it's acceptable. It's like beating a dead horse.

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 15, 2006, 23:54:

Rather than take advantage of an oppurtunity to "enlighten" an apparent critic (SWG30) who simply asked a question, most posters here want to burn her at the stake like Joan of Arc....why the hostilities? if the OP had been a man posting the same question, you can bet your bottom dollar that the agression would not have occurred....i say just take the opportunity to turn a "unbeliever" into a "believer", and the OP probably would have a different outlook after hearing so many of the "testimonials" from the Happy Camper Club of PBH men who are living their lives as life was meant to be.

Now what has been written here is in the archives, so when other potential PBHers (including the female variety..=) ) lurk and evaluate PBH, they will not actively participate and will stay away from just another Mens Club forum......how boring that would soon become!!!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Rubito says on Dec 16, 2006, 00:02:

All I gotta say is that if guys were REALLY looking for a 1950s type wife, Colombia is NOT the place they should be looking, and least of all places Bogota. The Rolas that I know, both up here and down there, are some of the most progressive-minded women I have ever met. They are beautiful honest open-minded people, and also they are generally women who know what they want and if you don't or no longer provide it they are GONE. Basically, they have the same mentality Cam describes in his post, and I applaud them for it. That's the way I am, and I certainly have no problem with somebody else being that way.

I really don't think any guy in this age really WANTS that kind of a June Cleaver type, even if they insist they do. I would suggest that if you really want a woman like that, just go to NYC or Lawrence and find a Dominican girl. You will almost certainly get hooked up with a pre-feminist woman. She will expect you to take care of her every last material need. She will cook and clean for you, and you better not DARE order in food, or even eat lunch out. You will eat the lunch she makes for you. Anything else is an excuse to chop your dick off. And you better get your ass right back home after work, no excuses!

IMHO the sexual revolution freed up men almost as much as it freed up women, and it's a damn good thing it did. Like I've said before I think the problem is with American CULTURE in general, not specifically with American women. America has become a horrendously anti-social place and this is the REAL root of the problem.

---Violence is the price of freedom.---

aztec says on Dec 16, 2006, 05:08:

Supplementary information from todays El Tiempo. Not directly on topic but might provide greater insight. Of course researchers would want to know the validity and reliability of the research design.

For those of us who have difficulty reading Spanish just place the URL into Google translate and the whole page will be translated.

http://www.eltiempo.com/vidadehoy/2006-12-16/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-3368225.html

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 06:12:

I read all of your comments And I must say that some of you guys sound like you're looking for a 1950's type wife, I guess you can still find that in Colombia or elsewhere but not all Colombian women are that way anymore. So you guys don't like to help your wife with the kids and cleaning around the house? what's wrong with that? my father used/still helps my mom around the house and he's 55 years old so he should be the macho of the house and don't anything around, he used to wake up at night and take care of my brother's and myself when we were sick and he's not my biological father but he like taking care of us, it didn't make him less of a man, in my eyes he is a real man. So what's wrong with a man doing things like that? is just a woman job to clean and take care of the house and family, we can't do the same like you guys and watch tv and go shopping while you take care of the kids, what's so bad about that? Why are you putting American women like the worst animal that men have to deal with. I had my expectations of what I wanted in a husband since I was in Colombia, so American didn't change my way of thinking but i realized you can't enter a marriage expecting things from the other person except from the basic, i expect my husband not to go around with other women. But you guys ecpect a lot from us when it comes to marriage, I never though some men could be like that. For what i read in here before I though you only care to look for a younger wife because the american women didn't like older men and that men would always be men and what else you can expect from men.

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 06:17:

Cam got it right So I'll just make one minor analogy:

A lot of "American" women are like Christmas. A severely degraded version of what once existed. Now take a look at a typical Christmas in Colombia and compare the two. Any questions?

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve LIKE A MO-FO."

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 06:20:

sweetg30 You might read those posts again because I believe the jest of them flew well over your head. Your post reveals that you missed the point.

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 06:45:

I don't know mario, my Typical christmas in colombia? all the family together, my typical christmas in american? all the family together,and your point is?

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 06:51:

Nevermind... Have you re-read those other posts yet? You missed the point on them as well.

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 06:57:

No i didn't mario I know what you guys are saying and I agree with you guys that some women put their career before their family and all the other good points.

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 07:05:

Yes you did sweetg30 lol ;)

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 07:26:

ok mario Whatever makes you happy, I did mario, is that better?

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 07:28:

No you didn't sweetg30 Remember Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny?

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 07:32:

mario I think you are hungry and need to eat some arepa con huevo o chicharrones, por que ya te estas poniendo medio aburridor muchacho. con que if i did or didn't or if you're happy and now u want to be elmer fudd. Querido necesitas coger aire fresco o hacer algo mijito.

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 07:34:

No I'm in the Bugs Bunny role Hey, did you re-read those posts yet???

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 07:39:

yes I did but I'm working on some of my clients files and no you're not bugs bunny my dear,But if that makes you happy, hey go ahead who am i to tell you otherwise.

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 07:57:

This is true I am not Bugs Bunny... Doc.

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 16, 2006, 08:32:

I'm not trying to force anybody justify anything (Gomezman); I was just trying to answer sweetg30's question as I understand it. That's not something I read in some feminist website or magazine, I don't visit those places and have no idea how feminists view these issues. Or liberals, either. I've come to those conclusions I stated in my post after many casual discussions with friends, both female and male and after talking about the this topic to some length with an older brother of mine who's walking that walk, four divorces behind him and the new wives only turn younger and more exotic all the time. We don't even bother to make friends with the new girls any longer, at least during the first three months.

Unlike in Gringolandia, the great majority of Scandinavian men prefer to marry Scandinavian women and within their own age group. I can't even start to imagine how badly my gringa sisters have had to behave to deserve such bitterness from their men as comes forth from many posts here. The only gringa that I know really well is my other brother's mild-mannered, gentle wife, after 30 years of marriage their marriage is as strong as ever.

Could it just be that it's not a whole generation of men that have rebelled, but just a small minority?

BTW I agree with Rubito; many Colombianas I've met and befriended are just as assertive and empowered as us European women. They just don't make any big deal of it, especially in front of men.

Cheers,
Desi

«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

cam0940 says on Dec 16, 2006, 08:55:

I changed my mind about the post I was going to write. I think I'll follow G5's advice instead.

webmanco says on Dec 16, 2006, 09:09:

Rigth on Men don't need any "Doras" in the house, but a partner for all activities, good and not good.

Some women "even in Colombia", are like "niñas de dedo parado" don´t move a finger, but expect men to do some mechanics, home repair etc.. But still women are needed once in a while. :)

Lavadora
Planchadora
Celadora

I had not read a lot from sweetg30 , but just wanted to comment on the last post. (erased by Cam)




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But, I'm going to start making some assumptions here.... Which means I might actually end up making an ass out of myself ..........Thu 04 17, 2008 11:34 am

Gomezman5 says on Dec 16, 2006, 09:10:

Desi my dear, my comment was not addressed to you. It was addressed to SweetPea or whatever her name is. I just have a hard time understanding why all these guys who have married Colombian woman have to justify doing so.

I think Cam wrote a good post too. It's a classic. At the same time it should not be necessary. I'm not known in these circles for being short and simplistic. However, this is one of these instances where I am begining to believe that to those that are skeptical of international marriages, the more posts that are written to justify marrying a woman from another country, the more that those who criticize this conduct are going to dig in further and question the reason for doing so. SweetPea says it herself, in her last substantial post. There is nothing that anyone is going to write here that will change her perspective. I say, ignore such people and move on. NOBODY HAS TO JUSTIFY THEIR PERSONAL ACTIONS IF BOTH THAT PERSON AND THE OTHER PARTY (WIFE) ARE CONTENT WITH THEIR SITUATION. END OF STORY.

cam0940 says on Dec 16, 2006, 09:31:

I will say one last thing, though.

Notice how Sweetg30 defined "manhood" using her stepdad's helping around the house etc? Anybody notice how women always try to define "manhood" but then when we men define what we consider "womanhood" it's either ignored or flatly rejected? There's always something wrong with our definition, or we're cavemen trying desperately to hold on to a past era. So basically, women are OK to define what a man should be, but men should be quiet on what a woman should be.

Does anyone else find that hypocritical?

Gomezman5 says on Dec 16, 2006, 09:40:

Include me Cam Yea, that is as hypocritical as it gets. On the other hand, if I had the desire and time, I could provide a laundry list of items illuminate other examples of such hypocracy.

That's a great comparison Cam. Beware though, there are a few people that will come on here and do a tap dance around your comparison and try to split hairs in an attempt to find fault with your comparison

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 16, 2006, 09:53:

A man is free to choose whomever or whatever type he wants in a woman, and vice versa.....dont like that type of person? find one that you like/want and all is well! =) unless, of course, it is a marriage by arrangement, and not consent...ME? i am still trying to find out if Bill Gates has a sister, ugly or not! hahahahahaha....


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

goin_south says on Dec 16, 2006, 11:50:

Thanks guys for takin the time to write, but FOR ONCE! I HAVE TO TIP MY HAT TO _____ GOMEZMAN5_______!!!!!

So, thanks for sparing me. What do I need to say? I like. She likes. We like.

All this philosophizing is nice (and time-consuming).
But, I never hear too many say it, so I will:
After I divorced a lady much like Cam was married to, my next relationship was with a Puerto Riquenan. I told her, if not her, then another Latina, it would be. Can't help myself. And, then it was simply the internet winding my focus out and down to a strange and wonderful place I had not ever considered before...Colombia.

I am a sucker - and a Happy One, at that! - for the latina accent, the look, the mannerisms that are a little unique, and just about every other damned thing... I got no complaints.
IT IS WHAT I AM ATTRACTED TO.
AS ----- GOMEZMAN5 ------- SAYS:
END OF STORY.

I got nothing to be ashamed about.
Don't have to justify nothin'.
Colombia is_____________ it's better than going to DisneyWorld!
She's happy; I'm happy. We're happy. Que sera, sera.

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

morphus says on Dec 16, 2006, 11:53:

sweetg Which bridge do you live under, the Whitestone Bridge? Thats not far from where I live. Lets get together. You can come over my house and bath.

goin_south says on Dec 16, 2006, 18:22:

Isn't there a Troll Bridge in NYC? "Tengo mucha compasión para Sweetg_thirty."

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 18:43:

I'm not a doc mario I'm a social worker and we call the people we work for clients, in this case victims of domestic violence ok?

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 18:44:

Ehhhhhhh OK Doc "The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:06:

Ok Mario, are you trying to make yourself happy again? I Do believe that some of you guys are honest people that went to Colombia looking for love and found what you were looking for, If I agree or disagree it doesn't really matter as long as you guys are happy, that's what it counts. I'm not against that, I'm against all the people that treat women like sex objects and disrespect them. But some of you are in your little bubble and can't see beyond that and You're entitle to your opinion as I entitle to my opinion, end of the story.

goin_south says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:18:

end of story? that sounds suspiciously like... El Martillo.
"Tengo mucha compasión para el loro."

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:22:

El martillo? no te entiendo pero haya tu, oye tu no tienes nada mejor que hacer, espero que no te hayas pasado todo el dia en la computadora, es muy malo para tus ojos y la falta de ejercico lleva a la obesidad. No quieres terminar como el muchacho de la foto, imaginate eso.

Gomezman5 says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:25:

OK Counselor......Mind if say........ I don't believe you whan you say:
-"It doesn't really matter as long as you guys are happy"

So my question is it took you over 100 posts, and a thread stretching all the way to page three to come up with that conclussion? Do you remember your first question?

"What's wrong with the women that are here? "

That was your opening post. That post did not indicate that you were coming on here with an open mind. Is that the normal avenue that you take with those that you counsel? It sounds more like you had some preconcieved notions about what you considered right or wrong, and that your questioning was designed to inform us as such. Don't ya think a better tone could have been used? Look, I came into this thread late. Just about everyone, right from the beginning was skeptical of your intentions. Can all of us be wrong? You can fool some people......but not the G5

billyb says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:29:

Sweetspot30, maybe Galecito saw how attracted you... were to the obese gentleman in the picture and wanted to have a better shot at you.

BillyB

goin_south says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:37:

Eating away.... Bags of Chips, con montanas de queso.. pork roastS!,...beber el ron, with lots and lots of coconut, bananas... Eating away, the kitchen sink... hoping, wishing, waiting... to be her next 'victim'. jeje CheeeezeCake con Queso...jaja

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

goin_south says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:39:

no mas gymnasio! Espero para ti...con mucho lipo. lol

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

sweetg30 says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:41:

I'm not trying to fool you or anybody else The people I work with has nothing to do with this. And I already told you guys about those comments I made before. But you believe what you want and I'm not going to try to convinced you otherwise.
I believe what I want and you believe what you want but this is getting boring for me, that's all

billyb says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:46:

Gale', your efforts might be in vain... but no need to curtail the ron.

BillyB

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:50:

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh OK Doc

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

goin_south says on Dec 16, 2006, 19:59:

whining women..... free-flowing mouthes...

why can't the freakin Chung King Chinese just LEAVE THE FREAKN DOLLY LLAMA and Tibet ... ALONE!

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 16, 2006, 20:04:

Jeez, is this all it takes to get everyones "panties in a bunch" So friggin easyyyyyy that was!!!!!!! SWG30 must have really struck the right nerve or sore spot with her posts!! how pathetic!!! Some of you clowns are making a mountain out of a molehill....she sure has played some of you, Hook, Line, and Sinker!!!! =)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 16, 2006, 20:09:

G...victims of DV are hardly a bunch of whining women..... and to the others: since when did men have the exclusive right to have an opinion, and to express it on PBH or anywhere.....if you disagree with her, then say so in a discussion manner, but the same rules of PBH apply to everyone, no? ..or is it the "Do as I Say, Not as I do" principle? .or is PBH just another mens forum or Good Ol' Boyz Club??...if so, how boring!

..Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Mario says on Dec 16, 2006, 20:11:

Not me MC I've just been in my furry old Bugs Bunny suit sitting here and eating carrot cake. Know what I mean Doc?

"The angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the swerve of the curve."

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 16, 2006, 20:19:

Lol...can you post a pic of that mario!?? ...hmmm...carrot cake i have not had that in a while!!!!!!! definitely will tomorrow, though!!!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo.....Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

elchantajista says on Dec 17, 2006, 02:58:

the fact that We don't have dicussion on why gringas marry hombres from other countries or other races pretty well says it all, we live in a male dominated world, I've crossed the racial lines and anybody else that has, knows the stares and sometimes the fights that can happen from the males that r from her race,I hear from my Mex.friends talk the about Colombiana girls that r from my city that go out with the gringos, I'm invisiable cause i'm consider more spanish that gringo lol; the truth I think, is a percentage of Latinos just don't like to see latinas go out with gringos, same thing can be said of whites and blacks an other races, I see some reports that gringas get married to other races 10 times more that gringos, My sisters married different races so i have no problem with that, just if i want to do it ,nobody should have a problem also

anda de parranda en Bogota
"Vicente"

anda de parranda en Bogota "Vicente"

podborski says on Dec 17, 2006, 05:45:

some of us guys just like to travel and meeting fun, beautiful, intelligent women is part of the experience (hopefully!)

But it is also true for me and several of my male friends in Canada that we do not necessarily dislike north american women, but damn they make it hard to meet them. They can be very cold and seem to take joy in humiliating a guy who is trying to strike up a conversation.

I compare that to Colombia, where I get greeted like a long lost friend by almost everyone, bartenders, waitresses, hotel staff, etc., etc., and where I can smile at a pretty girl in the street and she smiles back and isn't offended like women in NA are.

If I ask a girl to go out, or to dance in colombia the reponse is ALWAYS at very least polite, even if the answer is no. In Canada, you might as well be asking a women to go home with you when you say 'hi, what's your name?'

And don't get me started on the horrible experiences 2 of my close friends had with cheating wives who never worked a day in their lives, then finally ran off with the cabana boy, which is all fine except the rules are the hard working husband with the great job who has beeng dumped has to the pay the cheating wife and cabana boy (who makes nothing)to bring them up the standard of living that she was accustomed to.

Now, call me cynical, but no way am I going to marry a woman in NA. (Truth is I'll never marry anyone (although I think I proposed to my sweet colombiana last night in a bit of a drunken haze, LOL!), but IF I was going to marry, it sure wouldn't be in NA)

Desi, to answer your question, I think guys like me are just a minority, but I'll tell you I have a LOT of my male friends from home wishing they were me. Only one in a thousand will ever do anything about it though.

sweetg30 says on Dec 17, 2006, 06:20:

Some of you guys have good points I guess Colombian women don't cheat, they don't have nasty responses for people and they're happy people all the time, that's what you basically just said. Some of you just want to attack me and American women making generalizations based on your personal experiences and your friends. How's that any different from what I did? I'm consider an evil American woman and house wife at the same time,with too much time in my hands by some of you, I'm a slut, some of you wanted my pic, for what purpose I don't know, some of you implied I was jealous, others wanted to know where I live and if I could take a bath in your house.
one of the reason I posted those thread is because some of you disrespect the Colombian women that you seem to like so much and some others make Colombia look like a prostitution house.I bring home my "32.000" according to one of you guys because I have to prove something to myself and my husband. You guys know women in general and Colombian women better than anybody else, why do I work and bring home money that my family doesn't need? Because I'm a selfish modern woman that only cares about myself. In general american women are consider like garbage by some of you, How does women for a certain place gets to deserve that title?

sweetg30 says on Dec 17, 2006, 06:25:

I totally agree with MC, Now I know "some" you guys don't like to be ask any questions, you just like people to go with the flow and since I'm a female, I'm nobody to be asking questions, I don't have a male reproductive system. But like I said before I don't care I got some honest opinion and a lot of garbage from some of you. I have a better pic of the whole thing.

sweetg30 says on Dec 17, 2006, 06:29:

MC, that's like marie claire one of my favorite magazines, lol. I bet you is one of your favorite too, we can sit together and read the magazine.

podborski says on Dec 17, 2006, 07:01:

sorry sweetg but as someone said earlier on, it's just that your question is kind of pointless. Not to mention thew way you stated it implies that men HAVE to go outside their own country to meet women. That's like the old trick question 'when did you stop beating your wife?' It's a false premise.

No one HAS to go anywhere, but some of us choose to.

I do appreciate the opportunity to express my thoughts on NA women however.

The fact is, I just happen to have a much better experience with colombian (and czech and french and italian and japanese and...)women than I do with NA women. It's my experience, end of story. It's a free world and I'll go where I want to go. Why on earth would you care who I date?

For the record, last thing I want is a 'traditional' stay at home woman. I love how colombianas can be professional, strong willed and opinionated but at the same time not feel the need to denigrate men, which is not the case with many NA women, IMHO.

Anyway, I often wonder if it's just that while travelling I am happier and not carrying the jaded attitude I have back home, so it's easier to meet people? Who knows?

Luckily I am able to live where I want to, and right now I am choosing SA. And at this very minute I am visiting Bogotá, and realizing all over again how happy I am when I am here.

tomass says on Dec 17, 2006, 08:34:

Finland was the first to give women the vote and the divorce rate is v high. Couples living together and not marrying and single mothers are all v high.
Many Finnish men prefer to take Russian or Thai wives.
The Swedes stick together because they are all so boring no-one else will have them.

esporti says on Dec 17, 2006, 08:59:

Colombiana's have what Gringa's don't It's many things, why American Men go to places like Colombia for beautiful latina women. No, it's not because they are desperate. Many men and women love the experience of someone from a different culture. It adds to their life. Colombiana's are classier, not snobby like gringa's. They are down to earth, yet so beautiful whether they are 40 years old or 20 years old. They love to please their man, they take pride in their husband's. The real question is why are American men marrying these selfish, all day pajama wearing, Jerry Springer and Days of Our Lives American Women.