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Hey all. I am a 23 year old currently living in Buenos Aires, and about to start heading up towards Colombia. I want to find a job teaching English, and am hoping you can all help me narrow down a city you would like to live in for 4 or 5 months.
I do not want a large city. Bogota is out, and probably Medellin. BA is big and has satisfied that desire.
I am thinking that I would like somewhere in the caribe, or in Manizales..
Cartagena and Manizales seem to be my first 2 choices, based on what I see other people recommending? I want a good social life, nice bars. Where will I more easily fit in with the local populace. Where am I more likely to find the traditional ideal of a Colombian girl, dark skin and curvy body?
Should I look elsewhere in the Caribe? Barranquilla? I need a place that will have potential english speaking jobs. Please compare those 2 and other potential Caribe cities for me. Cartagena looks wonderful, but I fear a tourist trap.
Second:
What is the best way to get around. I have free plane flight to Lima from BA and am thinking of taking buses up to Manizales, and then on to the Caribe if I don´t like it. Any safety concerns?
Yes, I know Lima and Colombia are far apart. I am a veteran of 20 hour bus rights and sleeping in the sitting position.
By SeanStock on Dec 26, 2007, 06:16 in Travel tips.
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jelsaad says on Dec 26, 2007, 06:40: Cartagena is dirty, over-run with tourists and local salesmen aggressively peddling all types of wares, and is unbearably hot and humid...also expensive, relative to other areas of Colombia. Barranquilla is worse --hotter, more humid, with little charm.
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morphus says on Dec 26, 2007, 06:40: " I want a good social life, nice bars. Where will I more easily fit in with the local populace"
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jelsaad says on Dec 26, 2007, 06:42: True. You're most likely to fit in with the local populace in Medellin or Manizales...although Mnaizales' nighlife is fairly limited.
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Robert Jorge says on Dec 26, 2007, 06:59: Bucaramanga is still pretty big and a college town. Villavicencio is smaller still, 350,000 people, great weather but hot during the day, and only 2.5 hours away from Bogota. Probably easier to find a teaching job in Buca though. The nightlife in both mentioned cities is pretty damn good. Some people travel from Bogota to Villavo just to party at huge clubs like Kuarzo and San Pachos. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy |
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juanalejo says on Dec 26, 2007, 07:02: Barranquilla, Pereira or Bucaramanga, the latter two for nice warm weather and good enough night life. Manizales would not be my choice, too conservative of a society, too cold of a climate, to quite of a city.
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Rikito says on Dec 26, 2007, 07:33: SeanStock, It is not life that matters, but the journey. |
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Robert Jorge says on Dec 26, 2007, 07:42: When I mentioned "San Pachos" nightclub in my above post, I was wrong. (though there is a small club by that name) I meant to say "Los Capachos". http://www.loscapachos.com/ --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy |
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Gator says on Dec 26, 2007, 08:35: YOU need to come in-country and spend time PERSONALLY visiting various parts of the country and make your OWN decision. It will boil down to a personally choice-we picked Bogotá because of the cooler climate and "big" city living. For a smaller city I would have to lean towards Armenia or Manizales. "Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" . |
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nathola says on Dec 26, 2007, 08:37: Bogota or medellin think are good cities to live, but colombia has very beautiful cities and nice,also Ibague,neiva,buca ,neiva,where you like? Nothing is impossible |
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nueva york bombero says on Dec 26, 2007, 08:56: You might get 1000 different answers to this question!!!!
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dwmte7 says on Dec 26, 2007, 09:28: sean...i'll share a personal recommendation based on what you've said. i've been in colombia since '89 and know medellin and it's surrounds like the hairs on my body. my suggestion and one that doesn't get old, rather one which allows you to grow old with it is, go to medellin--you say you want to teach english--and go up the mountain to llano grande. in llano grande is one of the campuses of eafit...an english teaching university. it's a great univ. and llano grande is by far it's best campus. now up in llano grande, you'll meat real colombians...the ones worth investing your time in, not just a tumble in the hay. these folks are not corrupted by what i call big city life. and trust me, i KNOW medellin. been there since pablo e. was walking the streets. to me, it's the best city in the world. but, i don't want to live there. we have a home in envigado (south end of medellin) but even when we're there with the family, i spend my time in the finca in llano grande...just don't have time nor energy for bullshit, traffic and hassles. "give me the finca or give me death" or something like that. check it out, and i can hook you up with all the contacts you'ld ever want up in los llanos. dwmte |
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SeanStock says on Dec 26, 2007, 09:52: Ok, Cartagena is out. I don´t want a tourist trap.
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peteyw says on Dec 26, 2007, 10:22: Sean,
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adrimm says on Dec 26, 2007, 10:35: You might find some of these threads useful..also what would you deem smaller size? Less than a million, less than 500,000, less than 100,000, less than 50,000? It is different for everyone.
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elmodefoque says on Dec 26, 2007, 10:39: Elmo's Bar and Chucharia" jajajajajjijijijjjjij over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo! |
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elmodefoque says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:03: slguy! where the hell is that old modefoque? over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo! |
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mentalist3582 says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:15: Hey Sean, I just moved to Bogota after living in Manizales for 2 years teaching English. Manizales was my first experience in Colombia and I can definitely recommend it. It's a friendly little city, the girls are beautiful. The city already has at least one foreign born village idiot trying to get laid with all the girls he meets, but I'm sure that's not what you're looking for. It's more conservative than other Colombian cities, but don't take as meaning that there is nothing fun to do, most people our age have a lot of fun, I know I enjoyed the hell out of it. A lot of new places are being built there to increase tourism as well. It's close to many places you can travel to for fun like Medellin and Armenia, so it'll be well worth it.
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dwmte7 says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:33: sean...eafit in llano grande offered me a job teaching, but i turned it down. i was teaching english free to the local kids of campesinos. but they're always looking for staff. if you're gonna be in medallo, check it out, it's just 45 min up the hill towards the airport. just tell the taxi driver you want to go to llano grande. when you turn off at don diego, just watch for the campus on your right...about 5 miles down the road. dwmte |
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elmodefoque says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:36: sorry but I really must take issue with the statement I keep hearing over and over and over again regarding colombianas ‘THE GIRLS ARE BEAUTIFUL‿ over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo! |
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elmodefoque says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:40: since i'm nearing my end on this site i will be even more brutally honest over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo! |
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elmodefoque says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:44: puerto rican and barranquillera and 100% beautiful over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo! |
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Rikito says on Dec 26, 2007, 11:51: SeanStock, It is not life that matters, but the journey. |
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Colombiche says on Dec 26, 2007, 12:25: "Manizales appears to be out. I want a latin flavor to my life and my women, not another toy Europe." No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy) |
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Chelesupercono says on Dec 26, 2007, 12:59: Forget Cartagena.....very expensive and the locals have a really bad attitude...... never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it....... |
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Cerealkiller says on Dec 26, 2007, 13:11: I would suggest Manizales...its a student city and you wont feel "intellectually challenged" as someone once complained on this website. In addition, Pereira and Armenia two medium sized cities (by colombian standards anyway) are close enough and in case nothing came up in Manizales, you could always look into the other two. You can find the comfort of Medellin and Bogota for a fraction of the price. People in the area are totally awesome, very friendly, open and you still get the small town feeling you won't get in Medellin, let alone Bogota. IMO Zona Cafetera is just the nicest area in Colombia, a bit underrated, but its definitely worth looking into. Medellin is a beautiful city but i think is 1. Overrated and 2. Full of dodgy gringos. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill |
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durito says on Dec 26, 2007, 13:59: I would suggest visiting a few places and then deciding where you want to live.
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Rikito says on Dec 26, 2007, 14:04: OOpps, sorry Billy. I was lookin at some old numbers. If so, 325,000 is not exactly a small town. You can get in a lot of trouble in much smaller places. It is not life that matters, but the journey. |
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Cerealkiller says on Dec 26, 2007, 14:08: Durito you're right. It isnt "full" by a long shot. My point is the ones that visit are for the most part pretty dodgy, which is sad. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill |
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dwmte7 says on Dec 26, 2007, 14:46: re medallo...why do you think after 19 years of living there and loving the place, do i say i can't stand it. not only are there two many gringos (of the dodgy type??) but other foreigners as well and the way the city changes itself to please them. give me up country in llano grande. dwmte |
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durito says on Dec 26, 2007, 14:56: "Durito you're right. It isnt "full" by a long shot. My point is the ones that visit are for the most part pretty dodgy, which is sad."
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morphus says on Dec 26, 2007, 15:57: If the gringos in Colombia are dodgy then what does that say about Colombia? Why does Colombia attract dodgy people?
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BAQ says on Dec 26, 2007, 16:03: SOUT VERY FAR SOUTH IN COLOMBIA, LIKE NEAR THE SOUTHERN BORDER Semper Fidelis ! |
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billyb says on Dec 26, 2007, 16:21: Rikito, did you get that from the bottom of Wikie? What they meant was that Armenia and Calarca both were in the over 50,000 category.
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Cerealkiller says on Dec 26, 2007, 16:27: Morphus, that is very simple. It attracts dodgy people because its cheap. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill |
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dwmte7 says on Dec 26, 2007, 16:43: what exactly is a dodgy person? i repeated it as used by someone else as if i knew what it meant, thinking others would know what i meant...truth is, i don't know what i meant. too, the ones i personally referred to were those who populated lleras who didn't look the least like the back-packer type...maybe they were just dodgy? dwmte |
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Cerealkiller says on Dec 26, 2007, 17:38: dwmte dodgy as in drug buying, whore chasing tourists. Sadly, most of the tourists coming to Colombia (especially MED and CTG) are males looking to get cheap drugs, booze and/or sex. I seldom see families vacationing in Medellin, or Colombia for that matter...I've seen some couples adopting colombian-born babies but that is pretty much it. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill |
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Gator says on Dec 26, 2007, 20:43: Armenia is roughly 300.000 population and do you have the proper certifications to teach English? Many schools require this now as well as the Colombian Department of Labor "Brevior Sltare Cum Deformibus Mulieribus Est Vita!" . |
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dwmte7 says on Dec 27, 2007, 06:19: i can see it now morph....'common honey, why don't we take the kids and go to medellin and get in on some of those cheap drugs and whores.' 'sounds like a great vacation.' dwmte |
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Rikito says on Dec 27, 2007, 06:24: Gator is right on here. My wife is trying to get a job teaching English here in Armenia. She has a degree in Journalism from Colombia and a Masters degree in Education from the University of Colorado. When she taught in the U.S., she developed, implemented, and taught an immersion program that won awards. But, the a-holes here do not think she has enough credentials. I find this hard to believe knowing how poor the education system is in Colombia. In Armenia's 'Gimnasio de Ingles' where they teach English as a primary subject...one of the teachers and only two of the administrators can speak correct English fluently. I told my wife that in the U.S. the Education system is socialist, political, and self-serving. It is more of a self-supporting club. I know this for a fact because I was able to teach at the Junior college, College and graduate school level. In Colombia I will assume that it's the same because that is all I have seen so far. I have met four Colombians who graduated from English programs in Colombia and none can speak English outside some rudimentary conversation. The Colombians I have met that speak English well were taught outside Colombia. It is not life that matters, but the journey. |
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elmodefoque says on Dec 27, 2007, 06:52: gee wiz, i've never bumped into any drug bying whore chasing tourists in colombia. over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo! |
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morphus says on Dec 27, 2007, 06:58: That seems to be part of the normal agenda for most in Colombia. Whats the percentage of Colombian men that never chased whores?
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elmodefoque says on Dec 27, 2007, 07:01: 2% including my aunt's husband, but that guy almost became a priest. they met in church over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo! |
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elmodefoque says on Dec 27, 2007, 07:04: did i tell you. last trip to curramba i walked in with my nephew to my favorite whore joint, JUERNES and in the corner in the dark was my wify's happily married (for 27 years) uncle. over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo! |
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morphus says on Dec 27, 2007, 07:09: Thats why he is happily married and does'nt resent the old broad :)
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slguy says on Dec 27, 2007, 07:19: "slguy! where the hell is that old modefoque?" Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab |
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elmodefoque says on Dec 27, 2007, 07:28: dude, you quoted a line (the future is plastic) from "the graduate" and the first thing i thought chit, you gotta be old to remember that chit, of course i did. over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo! |
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slguy says on Dec 27, 2007, 07:33: what's 50 years, give or take? Long as someone's there to wipe that old, bald ass some day.....jajajajjajajajjajajajjaja Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab |
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slguy says on Dec 27, 2007, 07:37: I'm on the boat this morning, prepping to take her to Miami for some work before headin' out on the Cartagena excursion. Just caught a VERY nice snook for dinner. Filet and release, I think its called. ;) Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab |
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rocinante says on Dec 27, 2007, 18:34: Dodgy gringos: MedellÃn is full of them. Just backpackers passing through the hostels? Where you from Dorito? "World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008 |
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john_stark says on Dec 27, 2007, 23:31: Looks like Medellin's gone to the dogs.
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rocinante says on Dec 30, 2007, 09:33: right you are UC - but also he doesn't want city. MedellÃn nothing but a huge city with a capital C. "World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008 |
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pedro says on Dec 30, 2007, 18:08: Cali. que nota! |
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clarkj says on Jan 12, 2008, 13:37: If you want to be on the Caribbean Armenia will not meet that need. Barranquilla, Cartegena and Santa Marta are all going to be very hot and humid. Cartegena and Santa Marta have a more expensive cost of living. Barranquilla is nice but it is dirty in some areas just like every other major city in the world.
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