I don't think you hate doing it at all CA

CaritadeAngel says on May 22, 2007, 19:27:

You're right Pod, I love crossing swords with you.
You have a brain, but I wish you would use it more.

(1) Just because I know the proper name for "leftist" does not mean I am one. I know the proper name for feminazi too - militant feminist - doesn't mean I am one. I read books. So apparently do you. So use your brain. I know you have one. I am not a militant feminist, nor am I a leftist (or a dialectical materialist). You know this so stop misrepresenting me (though you seem to have dropped the feminist angle, too, thats good).

I already explained that I am politically independent. Which means that both the political left and right hate me. Feminists also hate me. But I see you ignored this like you ignore so much else.

(2) Regarding the quotes. It was not the age of the girls. It was the reasoning of the men. And you have used the "they are just making a living" argument before, and implied that "young kids having fun" (or old men having fun) were somehow doing these girls a favour. Yet when faced with concrete evidence of the parallel, you again you focus on the wrong thing and don't answer my points choosing to call me names and whine about my "lack of logic" than actually get of your intellectual butt and challenge me properly.

3) Why is my logic shaky?

Evidence, Pod, thats what you need.

Just because I point out that there are parallels in the way that ALL sex tourists - male or female think - does not mean that "legal" sex tourism is as bad or as evil as paedophilia. What I AM saying is that men who come here, using their money to leverage for sex, because this place is a developing country - share this aspect of their reasoning with paedophiles.

You have not actually attacked the substance of this, just whined about my shaky logic.

Stop whining. Start thinking.

Although, you at least have attempted SOME sort of logical argument, rather than poor old gringoloid, who just posts things from bitter-old-men websites.

And Scotty.

Poor Scotty. Lets hope he gets better soon.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 22, 2007, 19:36:

Pod “pod's approach to solving the problem of poor 18 year olds who are born into poverty: take your life savings and invest in a business that employess 15 to 25 of the fathers of these poor women, and will eventually employ maybe 5 to 10 of these 18 year olds themselves, and hope that you can expand this business to not only employ many other people with few other options, but also to someday have enough money to start or contribute to a foundation in colombia that helps poor kids get educations and jobs.�

You just won the Great White Hope Award for saving all those Colombians…yup, your hotel in Argentina will help a ton of Colombians……you think you are the only foreigner to help stimulate the economy? You are going to help all these unemployed pobrecitos, AND line your pocket at the same time? How honorable!!! Now, if you really want to impress us, go to Colombia, and have a direct effect on Colombians…..your “if this happens, and then that happens, and if it is a full moon in a leap year, I hope to do ….� Is only wishful thinking…all bullshit until you actually do it…you sound like a beauty contestant who, if she wins, will save the friggin world of all its evils…but back to the point, there are other people who currently are directly helping those people…not talking the talk…..

“Spend (or waste) many hours of valuable time trying to impress upon total strangers your belief that capitalism really is the only way to bring people out of poverty and misery and give them a chance at a decent life.�

I would agree with you there about capitalism, but Rubito says they don’t deserve a chance at a decent life…hmmm…

“Miguel-clavos approach: spend time on the internet bragging about my big pension and complaining about gringos who take advantage of poor colombianas, who apparently are not capable of looking after themselves.�

It is not my fault you are broke as a joke….some people make good life decisions, and some make bad……..looks like I made some better life decisions than you….like rubito says, you don’t deserve anything, you have to earn it…I earned it, did you? Obviously not……no reason to hate due to jealously, bro…….and sex tourists do take advantage of the poorer Colombian girls, and that just flat out wrong….and, who may I ask is looking out for them? I thought you were the Great White Hope??? and now you have found people who need help????

“Gringos are not the problem. Bad government, bad ideology, violence, corruption, terrorists of all types are the problem. Plus too many other things to mention. But the focus here is always the gringo tourist.�

Of course gringos are not the problem,…..there are lots of problems, with the sex tourist being one of them…..

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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CaritadeAngel says on May 22, 2007, 19:36:

But look If you want a proper debate, like human beings, PM me and we can take it outside, ok?

Plus a discussion on Ayn Rand if you want, or any other book we've both read.

I'm kinda tired.

But still right.


"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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podborski says on May 22, 2007, 20:01:

I'm much too lazy, not to mention tired to use my brain for these kinds of discussions.

If I'm ignoring many of your points it's only because you throw out so many I really don't have the time or desire to answer half of them, so I'm trying unsuccessfully to get to the point.

It doesn't really matter to me what label your political philosophy has or doesn't have, we all know left and right don't mean much anymore.

I don't think I've misrepresented you, I thought you called yourself a dialectical materialist? I doubt many here know what it means. I know I don't.

Being a feminist isn't bad if that means you believe women should have equal rights, it's only bad if one thinks it means all intercourse is rape, men are the cause of all evil, and all the rest of that crap. I understand now that you don't fall for that nonsense (which only gives gringas a VERY bad name, BTW, if you hadn't already received that message loud and clear).

Your faulty logic is everywhere, lets just take the most recent post ok?

'there are parallels in the way that ALL sex tourists - male or female think'

Really? You know them all? Evidence? Proof?

'that men who come here, using their money to leverage for sex, because this place is a developing country - share this aspect of their reasoning with paedophiles.'

Sharing an aspect of reasoning is a crime or immoral? Really? How? When did this happen?

Once again:

'It was not the age of the girls. It was the reasoning of the men.'

Do you really not see how ugly an idea it is that someone's thought process can be called evil, even if their actions are perfectly legal?

Surely you have read that good lefty George Orwell on this subject? Do you not see the parallels there? 'cause you seem to like parallels.

I'll stop whining when you stop trying to tell people what to do ('stop whining, use your brain, take that back etc.')

It's the internet, nobody has to listen to you, and it makes you sound like a grade school teacher who's lost control of the class.

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podborski says on May 22, 2007, 20:18:

miguel-c So colombians are the only people worth helping?

Who said I am the only foreignor investing down here, certainly not me. My complaint is with armchair critics who focus on trivialities and do nothing of substance, ever.

I am broke as a joke and don't take someone's wealth or lack of it as a sign of their intelligence, abilities or value, unlike you.

I hope to make a fortune off my venture, and yes I do think it is the very height of honour to do so.

No idea what you are trying to say here?:

'and, who may I ask is looking out for them? I thought you were the Great White Hope??? and now you have found people who need help????'

No hate at all, just my opinion about those who make a difference in the world and those who sit in armchairs pointing fingers.

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scotty says on May 22, 2007, 20:24:

CA dont worry Dont worry to much about Scotty, Im fine, Im having a blast both here and in Colombia, its you that has the problem. I recommend you have a shot of whiskey and relax in hot tub for awhile. I leave you with these words, FAT FAT FAT.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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podborski says on May 22, 2007, 20:32:

sorry CA, no offense but for me the only point to a debate like this is to speak up publicly once in a while so as not to leave bad ideas unchallenged.

I still have just a tiny bit of idealism left in me you see.

And anyway, Ayn Rand is the most mis-represented philosopher that I know of, and it gets tiring knocking down straw men over and over.

Plus, I'd never do her justice, it's been a looong time since I picked up one of her books.

If you are interested though, I suggest you read some of her non fiction stuff, and especially some of the newsletters she wrote ('The objectivist newsletter' if I recall)

And if you are REALLY interested, listen to some of her recorded speeches or debates, she was not only amazingly witty but comes across as quite warm, humourous and inspiring, unlike the way her detractors try to portray her.

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CaritadeAngel says on May 22, 2007, 20:32:

Let's take this outside, Pod And stop calling me a leftist.

That's stupid, dangerous, and untrue. And for a man thats as smart as you, disappointing.

I gave you the right name someone who held leftist views: and then explained to you why I didn't hold them.

Go to: www.politiclcompass.org if you need a proper description of left and right. I'd put you - given your reading preferences in the liberal right corner. But since you know nothing about my views on political economy, you have no idea where to put me.


Do you really not see how ugly an idea it is that someone's thought process can be called evil, even if their actions are perfectly legal?
Surely you have read that good lefty George Orwell on this subject? Do you not see the parallels there? 'cause you seem to like parallels.


So now I'm the thought police. We all carry the seeds of evil in our thinking Pod, its called the human condition.

But when that evil, that attitude, threatens the wellbeing of a developing country, then I become interested.

Its my belief that ALL forms of sexual tourism stem from the belief tht somehow your actions don't matter in a poor country - or even just a different country.

It is the specific attitude - the godawful sense of entitlement that some of you have - that Colombia is somehow your playground (yes, Pod, I know you personally don't think that, but I do wish you would stop defending those who do) that causes social harm, and, if you would only see it, makes things really difficult for foreigners who DONT have this attitude to function in this society.

Now, when someone with this kind of attitude then wants to compare notes with the like minded on how to procede withs stupid, and yes, evil, activities - such as "playing" local women or using the sex industry - then I have a really big problem with that.

You never answered my question

Does the fact that a country is poor, corrupt and in a state of conflict absolve foreigners here of responsibility in their conduct?

You are a man of reason Pod ...





"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 22, 2007, 20:40:

sorry, i thought we were talking about colombian prostitutes, sex tourism in colombia, and all the Brad Pitts there.....those are your words, regarding only colombians....i was keeping in line with the topic...silly me, i know....

armchair critics.....what exactly are you? i have 2 business in Colombia currently in existence......the profit from which i do not need to live my life the way i want to.....i do it for fun....so what is it that you are doing which this substance involves? building a hotel to line your pockets from investing? really, that is quite honorable....we all should do that....

i never said you were lacking in intelligence, and money does not make one more or less intelligent....or less able, or with less values....i said that in response to your comment where you brought up my bragging on the internet...i am quite proud of my accomplishments, thank you for asking..........people have asked me, so i have told them.....bragging? no , just proud of my hard work..and now it is time to play....i hope you become a bazillionaire, i really do.....

"just my opinion about those who make a difference in the world and those who sit in armchairs pointing fingers." so you are making a difference for whom, may i ask? other than yourself, of course...who are the beneficiaries of your kindness?.....please dont tell me the hookers in Colombia......and i guess you stand when you hit your keyboard...sorry i prefer to sit....but, you are not alone, Sir Pod......





Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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CaritadeAngel says on May 22, 2007, 20:46:

It IS Turette's Syndrome, right, Scotty? "Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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podborski says on May 22, 2007, 21:06:

I think you misunderstood me CA I didn't call you a leftist (recently :))! I think you took my description of George Orwell as meaning something other than just that, a description of him, not you?

I get that you are neither a lefty nor a feminist nor a feminazi. I don't know what makes you think I'm saying otherwise?

(But I also have no idea how being called a lefty could be considered dangerous?)

I'm very well aware of the textbook definitions of left and right, my point is I think they are so muddied now as to be meaningless, don't you think?

No I don't know your views on politics or economics and it really doesn't matter. I'm only concerned with the ideas you stated here, and I think they are scary, regardless of labels.

You (it seems to me) are saying people can be judged on their thoughts not their actions, and I think that's truly a dangerous idea.

I will grant you this though, that particular thread was probably the WORST possible one for me to choose to try and make my point, and maybe that's the problem, you keep arguing against the original poster, not really against me, and it's confusing to say the least.

To answer your final question there, no, I don't think ANYTHING EVER absolves anyone of their conduct. Your are and should be judged by your conduct. But conduct is action, not thought.

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podborski says on May 22, 2007, 21:23:

good for you m-c glad to see you're doing more than just pointing fingers.

No, I will not be supporting any colombian hookers directly or indirectly. Nor argentinian ones (that I know of).

All I am doing is all I can do, which is risk everything I have to start a business employing 25 people (depending on the trades present each month), the majority of whom live paycheck to paycheck.

If they were not working for me, maybe they'd have found other work, maybe not. Maybe they'd be hungry, maybe not. Maybe their young daughters would be pressured into prostitution, maybe not.

I fully expect to line my pockets, but the idea is to grow the busines with that money, I'm not yet at the stage of life where I want to sit back and relax. I can't see I ever will be that type (not that there is anything wrong with that).

yes, my long term plan of helping out the poor in colombia might all be forgotten in time, never happen. But it's the thought that counts, isn't it ;)

And yes I am in an armchair, just not pointing fingers at tourists as if they are the cause of poverty in colombia, or anywhere else.

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CaritadeAngel says on May 22, 2007, 21:31:

And yet all action ... Begins with a thought. I am not trying to police how gringoloid et al think. I am trying to change how they think: just as you are trying to change how I think. You are not an evil authoritarin leftist if you try and get me to change my mind. Or challange my motivations.

For example, gringoloid thinks my motivations are because I am a militant feminist, man-hating bitch. He thinks I hate all men, and was picking on him, not becuase he is a sex tourist, but because he is a man. So he tried to change my supposed "thoughts" by telling me that gringa feminists couldn't keep their men, and he compared me to the likes of white supremacists and Hitler. Why? Because he thought my action - objecting to his post - was motivated by another agenda, my real thought.

Now of course, as you know, he was totally wrong in his assumption, but he was not wrong in trying to get me to change my position, or challange my thinking. Had I REALLY been a militant feminist, he would have actually scored points.

As it was ... well, poor ol' Gringoloid. I hope he falls in love with a good woman soon.

Being a leftist not dangerous? You don't live in Colombia, do you?
I do. Check out the political threads and find out why its dangerous if people think you are attatched to the extremes of the political spectrum.

Speaking of which:

Left and Right are descriptions of economic philosophy. At one extreme (Left on the x-axis) are communists or marxists, who believe in a completely planned economy: total State control over the market. At the other (right on an x-axis) are neo-liberals: no state control over the market.

THen you have the social aspect - the level to which the state is in control over the individual. At the top, you have total control over the thoughts and actions of a person (Authoritarianism) and at the other, Anarchy (no control. no police, zip, nada).

Political opinion, plotted on this chart, will give, in a clockwise direction AUTHORITARIAN LEFT (Stalin, Kim Il Sung, etc) AUTHORITARIAN RIGHT (Hitler, Pinnochet etc) LIBERAL LEFT (Ghandi) and LIBERAL RIGHT (Ayn Rand). The closer you are to the centre of this chart, the more neutral you are.

No more confusion. Check it out at www.politicalcompass.com




"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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podborski says on May 22, 2007, 21:48:

yeah that spectrum sounds pretty good to me I just don't like using 'right' to describe myself as most people think it means authoritarian, which I definitely am not.

Ayn Rand used 'classical liberal' to describe herself, and that suits me. Old fashioned laissez faire: let me do what I want as long as I don't hurt anyone else.

Not to be confused with anarchy, which lots of people seem to think Rand supported.

Anyway, no, I don't live in Colombia, I'm in Buenos Aires, and my time in Colombia I have spent in nice, safe Bogotá.

And now, I am going to bed.

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CaritadeAngel says on May 22, 2007, 21:53:

Me too. Please, dream of fat women, or Scotty will be disappointed.

:D

Have we reached that special place yet? ;-)

"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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Miguel_Clavo says on May 22, 2007, 22:44:

Pod, to be honest with you, i do think that what you are doing as described by you is honorable in spirit. and i really do hope that you are very successfull, as it seems that many people in Colombia will also benefit with your success......a little bit of education goes along way....there are givers in the world, and there are takers....i prefer helping, not taking.....best of luck, and i will certainly not allow any differences in personal opinion negate all the the ones we have in common. i do enjoy reading your posts, and have found many of them helpful....


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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gringoloid says on May 22, 2007, 22:49:

Are you deluded? C/A : For example, gringoloid thinks my motivations are because I am a militant feminist, man-hating bitch. He thinks I hate all men, and was picking on him, not becuase he is a sex tourist, but because he is a man. So he tried to change my supposed "thoughts" by telling me that gringa feminists couldn't keep their men, and he compared me to the likes of white supremacists and Hitler. Why? Because he thought my action - objecting to his post - was motivated by another agenda, my real thought.

gringo replies: could you please show me where I called you a militant feminist? And man-hating bitch? Where did I say you are picking on me? Are you capable of coming up with a correct quote rather than a delusion?

You are a highly insecure woman, that is terrified that men are going to Colombia to find women.

The only arguments that you can provide are straw men, like the above. There are probably 25 times at least that you have put words in my mouth.

I've also stated that you are a sex tourist, by your definition. And so is Desi. And so is practically everyone whose been on a date in a third world country.

You're not smart enough to pick on me.....

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scotty says on May 22, 2007, 23:17:

cant handle it Hey man there are lots of women like CA in America, shes not the only one, thats why its so damn scarey here in the good ol USA. Thats also why guys are loading on the planes by the thousands heading to Colombia and Brazil and anywhere away from these deamanding, controling, rude, nasty...and did i mention FAT gringas.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 23, 2007, 02:05:

I think it takes two to tango, To me a sex tourist is the ones that goes to any country just as the word say looking for sex, he won't have a clue where the nearest museum is unless there is a bar with young women near.

Not many that go to Colombia are sex tourist, but Unfortunately some are making it harder for them to find the right girl.

somebody wrote in the other thread something like " In America or an European country if you want to sleep with a girl is easy, you just go out and you guarantee you will have sex that night" it was something along those lines then he said In Colombia you have to sweet talk her first using all sort of tricks because is difficult to take them to bed. Well dear that is disgusting here and in cafarnaum specially that you are prying in vulnerable girls, are you telling this girls to lure them to bed, that you are going to take her to America, give her pressies and promising the earth to her just to go inside her knickers? then this girl will think she hits the jackpot. she will go home happy and content then next day she sees you with another woman or leaving without seeing her again. have you think in the consequences? this girl will think all of you are the same and when somebody genuing comes along it would be really hard for her to trust him.

Remember some of this girls are not like the Americans or Europeans that when they go on Holidays or nightclubbing they are looking for fun not leaving the country or finding a husband. if they want to s*** you don't need to talk BS to them.


To me it would be better if you are honest, go to Colombia said to the girls you just want a good time no string attached, no promises, and is up to this 20 y/olds to decided, because as I said being from a developing country doesn't make an excuse for losing self respect and dignity. A well brought girl won't play around and will have values and respect for herself, just like if you are poor doesn't mean you have to be dirty or have bad manners is not an excuse.

If you come from a good background, with moral and family values , (and this have nothing to do with religion) no amount of money of sweet talking will make you loose your dignity and self respect. the rest are just being materialistic.

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aztec says on May 23, 2007, 05:10:

kat1 "If you come from a good background, with moral and family values , (and this have nothing to do with religion) no amount of money of sweet talking will make you loose your dignity and self respect. the rest are just being materialistic."

Well stated. Most of us agree with you.

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podborski says on May 23, 2007, 05:28:

kat is a perfect example of why I like Colombianas so much.

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podborski says on May 23, 2007, 05:45:

at miguel-c you and I might even agree more than you think about the whole sex tourism thing. I'm just having a hard time making myself understood, I think.

I don't think foreign guys having fun with adult women in colombia is a crime, nor even immoral. Maybe immature? But hey, none of us are perfect (although some would have you believe otherwise jaja).

To me the important issues in colombia (and all over SA) are bad government, corruption, etc., which leads to poverty which leads to people being forced to doing things they shouldn't have to do, like accepting horrible working conditions, low pay, etc.

But I never hear gringas here talking about those issues, they want to focus on the symptoms rather than the cause of the problem, because it's a lot simpler.

That's all, nothing more.

Maybe some of the posters here really are crossing the line in real life, but I have no way to know that, and I doubt they would post here if they were doing anything illegal?

Who knows, maybe I'm the naiive one?

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andrew24 says on May 23, 2007, 07:20:

Kat, that was an outstanding post, I absolutely agree, and I think it kinda jives with what I told CA in another post about prostitution and the customers not being any more to blame than the employees...


Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.

Mark Twain

Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough. Mark Twain

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CaritadeAngel says on May 23, 2007, 08:11:

Gringo Loid How many times did you call me a "gringa feminist" or a "feminazi", terms which you used interchangably. Feminism, gringoloid, is an ideology, much like neoliberalism or marxism.

A Feminazi is a militant feminist, or feminist fundamentalist, if you like, who has all the compassion, and some of the methods, of Osama Bin Ladin or Stalin. Trust me on this, I find them perhaps even more repugnant than you - not least because, as a non-feminist female, the moment I open my mouth on justice issues, men like you - otherwise intelligent men - label me as a feminazi. So all women who articulate a view point on justice are feminazis? Yeah, like all muslims are fundamentalist terrorists, and all Americas eat hamburgers and shoot at each other.

Thus you took my objection to your activities here has having their source in an ideology (Militant Feminist=Man-hater=Feminazi) rather than me making a moral statement - not as a woman - but as a human being, about what your intentions were in colombia.

I carefully explained why I wasn't a feminist (don't believe in abortion on demand, submit and obey my husband etc etc) but you ignored that and continued your abuse.

The subtext of your responses to me was "You are a feminazi, you hate all men, and you are objecting BECAUSE you hate men, and you hate me because I am a MAN). You then compared me (ignoring all the while the fact that I do not share feminist ideology, to a white supremicist. Scotty - with rather less intelligence, poor thing - chipped in, shouting FAT FAT!

At least Pod is smart enough to actually engage (once he got past his intial, wrong, assumptions) in proper debate.

Gringo listen: if you want to date internationally, all power to you. If you get married and have beautiful mestizo kids, all power to you.
If you want to travel to another country or spend your retirement there, all power to you.
If you fall in love while traveling the world, all power to you.
Some people (like me in fact) don't fit in too well with their own culture and are better off marrying or dating someone from elsewhere. If that's you, on you go.

So you don't like American women? No problem! I find American men nuerotic, over competative, machista and insecure (in general). I find Scottish men cold and unable to express their feelings, and unable to approach women unless they are coked up or boozed up. So, yeah, I've dated from other cultures. I also worked and lived in other cultures - most of the men, therefore, that I met, were not from my country. I've dated American men. I've dated Latin Men. I've dated European men (and before you start, a date, in my world, does not equal sex). Some of these men were good men, some were players that got short shift after 30 minutes on the date, but none, whatsoever, would have called me a gringa feminist.

But I never ever went to any country with the specific intention of having unaccountable, no strings sex, or for exotic sexual experience. I am not a player. There are many women there are. There are no "escapes" for me. If anything, on occasions where I dated "players" in disguise, it was clear to me that what THEY wanted was an exotic experience - and I was the experience. Man, that hurts. Not enough to make me bitter though.

If you truly like women, then, why, good luck, and may you find the woman of your dreams.

But if you go to another country with the specific intention of using your relative economic wealth - or in your case, the perception of relative economic wealth - to get laid, that makes you a sex tourist. If you mess around with the emotions of a man or a woman, then that, as you so rightly said in your "Calling all dogs" post, makes you a player, not a lover.

And a sex tourist.

Dude: just find a good woman and love her. Playing only means you are gonna get played. And watch what you are going in developing countries, actions have consequences.

"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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CaritadeAngel says on May 23, 2007, 08:15:

Elmo is in Barranquilla The bastard promised to take me dancing and grab my butt, but so far hasn't showed.

Probably too busy with his guajira.

"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 23, 2007, 11:03:

Agree Rubito people can have fun whatever is fun to them (sex including) but to do it for money, for the sake of material things is losing your dignity and self respect.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on May 23, 2007, 13:39:

Rubito that is totally different!! if somebody is doing that job, is because he does really need the money, maybe to feed their kids or whatever.. yes it is not a very dignifed job for anybody. but this girls are doing it for different reasons, materialistic reason. they don't care of sleeping with a 55 year old man as long as he give them gift, take them to expensive places, and give them money, sorry rubito i respect myself too much for that, I am not for sale and haven't got a price. I rather clean toilets.

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andrew24 says on May 23, 2007, 14:02:

CA, I think one of the things you seem to be saying that isn't going over well is that you're wrong if you're going out and having casual sex with people, whether you're a girl or guy or whatever, if it's not 'for love' it's wrong--as long as both people are consenting adults, it's fine. I'd agree that it's wrong for one person to deceive the other into thinking that a serious relationship is going to come of it if it's not--the gringo in Colombia example: if he's screwing her with the knowledge that she thinks she's going to get something she's not (relationship, green card, whatever) then I personally disagree with that and wouldn't do it, but if they're both just looking for a fling then that's fine and it does NOT make him a sex tourist just because he's in a foreign country having casual sex with a lot different people--if those people are aware that it's just casual sex and that's what they're looking for as well, then I can't possibly see how you could label him a sex tourist...


Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.

Mark Twain

Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough. Mark Twain

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CaritadeAngel says on May 23, 2007, 14:07:

The difference is That music is never degrading or used as a means of violence and control. Music is about communication. (OK, theres Sonny and Cher, but you know what I mean).

People do not use music to subject violence. You don't physically let someone into your body when you listen to music.

Rubito, you have basically never been penetrated (at least I hope thats the case), so you don't understand what it means, physically and psychologically.

For a woman, it is the ultimate surrender: psychologically. It is not for nothing it is called often a "conquest". It always involves surrender, when you are willing, and violence, when you are not.

And that is the difference.


"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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andrew24 says on May 23, 2007, 14:14:

Sex and violence are two very separate and different acts with two very separate and different mindsets, connecting the two like that is kinda sick...

No one ever said that violence was ok, whether it involved sex or not...

Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough.

Mark Twain

Barring that natural expression of villainy which we all have, the man looked honest enough. Mark Twain

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CaritadeAngel says on May 23, 2007, 17:44:

Yes they are In the same way that a baseball bat and violence are two different things.

And (Rubito, I am determined to only engage you on the subject of music)
Prostitution is a form of violence against women (and children) in and of itself, as well as those enaged in it being frequently subjected to other, additional forms.

As I said

Sex when a woman is willing; involves surrender. Sex when she is not involves violence.

Unless you have a vagina, Andrew, I don't think you would really understand this completely.

Rubito and I have made a peace accord where he holds his views on prostitution, and I mine.

Music be the food of love (or at least, in this case, goodwill. Play on.).

"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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CaritadeAngel says on May 23, 2007, 21:38:

What that Sex Tourism is wrong? Actually, its fairly well received.

But you guys need to know WHY prostitution is a form of violence - because it attacks its victims at the core, so to speak.

And do you seriously disagree with the statement

"and sex when a woman is not willing is a form of violence?"

If so, do you go around expressing this view in Colombia, King?

And if so, how well is that received?

"Nolite id cogere, cape malleum majorem."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

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elreydelostrolls says on May 23, 2007, 21:51:

I think adults should be allowed to do what they want with their bodies and feminazi do-gooders should leave well enough alone in cultures they do not understand and are not a part of.

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