Hugo Of Hezbollah

Monita Linda says on Jun 21, 2008, 06:59:

I am not surprised. I surely am disgusted.

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vladimiro says on Jun 21, 2008, 16:58:

" It is Hezbollah’s skillful use of those weapons — in particular, wire-guided and laser-guided antitank missiles, with double, phased explosive warheads and a range of about two miles — that has caused most of the casualties to Israeli forces."

" A Disciplined Hezbollah Surprises Israel With Its Training, Tactics and Weapons "
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/07/world/middleeast/07hezbollah.html

You can't compare Hezbollah to the FARC. If it was not for Hezbollah today the Lebanese would be in camps watching Israel build homes on their land while inviting all the world's Jews to come and colonize the place.

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Monita Linda says on Jun 21, 2008, 19:15:

Vladimiro... HEZBOLLAH is a TERRORIST organization...

I am very sorry you have such a wrong idea of world´s politics and such a hatred of Jews.

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vladimiro says on Jun 21, 2008, 19:31:

They provide food,housing, and hospitals for most Lebanese and for throwing foriegn invaders out of Lebanon are the most popular party in the country. I really like Jews just not those that colonize other people's countries while ethnically cleansing the local population.

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vladimiro says on Jun 21, 2008, 22:50:

Hezbollah is a mass movement...

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CanadaMan says on Jun 22, 2008, 00:49:

very disturbing...


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Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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Monita Linda says on Jun 22, 2008, 06:18:

A mass movement like hamas... whose main goal is to KILL people.. hmmm..

Vladimiro you are ignorant!! Dude...........

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vladimiro says on Jun 22, 2008, 08:12:

That girl above is obviously no Islamists because she is not wearing the hijab.

This is not some crazed religious fanatic as typically portrayed in the US-centric press.

So why do you think she proudly walks around in a tight little Hezbollah t-shirt?

Maybe its because....Hezbollah first emerged as a militia in response to the Israeli *invasion* of Lebanon in 1982, set on resisting the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.

Shouldn't people fight back and defend themselves when they are invaded by Israel or the US?

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billyb says on Jun 22, 2008, 12:42:

"Shouldn't people fight back and defend themselves when they are invaded by Israel or the US?"

How? By blowing up buses full of innocent children?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:06:

It's a complicated issue.

There are six countries in the world that classify Hezbollah a terrorist organization, namely the US, Israel, the UK, The Netherlands, Australia and Canada. In the Arab world Hezbollah is considered a legitime resistance movement. The rest of the world while condemning the terrorist methods and strategies of Hezbollah and it's attacks on civilian population as a revenge for Israeli military actions against Arab civilians in Southern Lebanon have abstained to include the organization on the list of terrorist movements.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:08:

" In the Arab world Hezbollah is considered a legitime resistance movement"

Now that's a ringing endorsement.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:17:

I just read it in the Wiki.
Why would you point it out in that way?
If you were an Arab yourself I'm sure you'd see it in their way.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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jorgegdiaz says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:20:

... perception?

"To err is human - and to blame it on a computer is even more so."Robert Orben

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billyb says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:22:

I mean that the arab world, for whatever reason, has a high tolerance for terrorism and calling it legitimare resistance. And no I wouldn't see it their way if i was arab, no matter what i was, I would never see the blowing up of buses full of innocents as legitimate resistance.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:27:

I don't think anybody does. But we have to try to see the big picture. I'm sure there are many Hezbollah supporters who condemn blowing up schoolbusses too. As there are Israeli people condemning the bombing of refugee camps, schools and hospitals in southern Lebanon by their military. Billy, it's a complicated issue. There much blood on the hands of both sides, innocent, civilian blood.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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vladimiro says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:30:

Interestingly, this popular Lebanese Christian singer wrote a song about Hezbollah and donated the procedes from the song - 3 million dollars - to the families of Hezbollah fighters that sacrificed thier lives defending her country against the barbaric Israeli invasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Boutros

"A popular song composed in tribute to Nasrallah was by Lebanese Christian singer Julia Boutros, called "Ahebba'i" meaning "my loved ones", which was inspired by Nasrallah's words in a televised message he sent to Hezbollah fighters in southern Lebanon during the 2006 War.

The profits of sale are to help the families of Hezbullah resistance fighters who died during the Israel-Lebanon conflict."

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billyb says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:33:

"As there are Israeli people condemning the bombing of refugee camps, schools and hospitals in southern Lebanon by their military.'

Desi, therein lies the difference, you don't see arabs unconditionally condemning bombing of buses full of children, at least not whithout a "yes, but" after it.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:34:

When people think about Hezbollah they forget or ignore the fact that they are also responsible of maintaining schools, hospitals, etc. social works, it's the central point of Hezbollah party program.

"Hezbollah also organizes extensive social development programs, running hospitals, news services, and educational facilities. Social services have a central role in the party's programs. Most experts believe that Hezbollah's social and health programs are worth hundreds of millions of dollars annually." (Wiki)

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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billyb says on Jun 22, 2008, 13:40:

"When people think about Hezbollah they forget or ignore the fact that they are also responsible of maintaining schools, hospitals, etc. social works, it's the central point of Hezbollah party program'

I am well aware of their social programs, as well as hamas", but that in my mind, and you may disagree with me, doesn't excuse them murdering innocents. After all Mussolini did make the trains run on time, does that excuse him?

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vladimiro says on Jun 22, 2008, 14:14:

Their resolute fighters and capabilities are impressive,too. They hacked Israeli communications so well, that Israelis turned to Hezbollah's cable news outlet to get thier news on the war

"Hezbollah Cracked The Code"
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wocode184896831sep18,...

"Using technology most likely supplied by Iran, special Hezbollah teams monitored the constantly changing radio frequencies of Israeli troops on the ground. That gave guerrillas a picture of Israeli movements, casualty reports and supply routes. It also allowed Hezbollah anti-tank units to more effectively target advancing Israeli armor, according to the officials."

Israel would announce to the world that it had taken some town only to learn that Hezbollah fighters were underneath the town in tunnels popping up here and their to slaughter the invaders until they finally retreated.

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Dolfi says on Jun 23, 2008, 01:40:

There are people whoe see the US troops in Iraq as terrorists. Depends on your point of view.

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Monita Linda says on Jun 23, 2008, 05:15:

The girl does not wear a hijab because she is not observant, as are many people in Lebanon.
Don´t be so stupid Vladimiro and STOP missionizing here... I am NOT interested in you defending a terrorist organization, whose aim is to kill many Jews and undermine democracy.

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 23, 2008, 05:24:

With all due respect Monita Linda, you can just ignore vladimiro if you happen to be uninterested in his comments. You have called him stupid twice already...again, the ignore button is right there.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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aztec says on Jun 23, 2008, 05:45:

Just unbelievable! Clear that Israel better look after itself because no one else will!

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romy says on Jun 23, 2008, 06:03:

waste of my time... Hugo and Hezbollah.... sounds like Harold and Kumar "The North Koreans and the Arabs" hahaha

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Monita Linda says on Jun 23, 2008, 06:27:

Its just that what he says is a bunch of BS, most things totally false.. full of hatred etc...........
It is not that I am uninterested, it is that he bothers the %%% out of me!!! With his antisemitic comments.

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 23, 2008, 06:43:

Hahaha Romy, I kind of thought something simillar. I've watched the movie already :P

Monita Linda, I do not believe Valdimiro's posts are full of hatred at all, they do not appear to be offensive towards anyone, he is not calling Jews names...nothing. He is entitled to his opinion just as you are entitled to yours.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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romy says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:11:

great movie I thought... have you seen Zohan yet? that one applies more to the fanatic 'anti-semitic' cry that's going on here...

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Rikito says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:21:

Desideria, I strongly disagree with you. It is not a complicated issue at all. I lived in Saudi Arabia for 5 years and saw how these people acted. Killing innocent people to justify there aims is easy for them because most of the people of groups like Hezbollah are truly ignorant people who manipulate the Holy Koran to suit their prurient aims. The ‘soldiers’ of Hezbollah are mainly uneducated dupes who have no education, an no skills. They do not even know that the Jews and Arabs are, in fact, brothers. They are from the same Hittite tribe in the bible.

Vladimiro continues the path of ignorance by saying how Israel has invaded or wants to invade or would make Lebanon a suburb of Israel. More rubbish crap. Israel has never invaded Lebanon. For what reason would they want Lebanon? Lebanon has never harmed Israel and they have done much commerce of the years. But, Israel has gone after the chickenshit terrorists who sneak up, attack children and innocent adults and then run back into the night to Lebanon and praise Allah for their victory. Allah looks down on this vomit and must wonder what he did wrong when these clowns were created. Vlad, you act like you are a disciple of Hugo or you are hot for Piedad.

“Using technology most likely supplied by Iran,� only shows how completely ignorant Hezbollah is in the first place. Also, many of Hezbollah are not Arabs and are not Iranians. They come from all over the world duped in their home country mosques to go and be martyred for Allah…crap all of it. True Arabs are peaceful people with excellent educations and people who have made positive contributions to the world community. Hezbollah has contributed nothing to the world and especially to the Muslim world but a bunch of spent cartridges.

In another quote someone said, “When people think about Hezbollah they forget or ignore the fact that they are also responsible of maintaining schools, hospitals, etc. social works, it's the central point of Hezbollah party program� Again, a bunch of crap. Schools for indoctrinating against the Jews, hospitals for members of Hezbollah only, and please pray tell, what social works? Getting the men ready to meet their 99 virgins?

We should all give thanks to God each night that filth like Hezbollah do not try to steal the freedom of the Colombian people, but we must be always watchful…especially for the innocents. They die easier.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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romy says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:26:

Rikito, what do you think of Christian fundamentalists? how do you think Jesus looks down on these people?

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romy says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:39:

yeah, the bible belt... that speaks so loudly on pbh

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aztec says on Jun 23, 2008, 07:49:

Thank you Rikito for your input on this post.

I am just too exhausted to deal with the propaganda dispensed by these terrorist. It seems unrelenting in attacks upon the free and democratic West and Israel. Few people are aware Hezbollah is a major source of murders of Americans (US) beginning as far back as the 70's.

If the "enlightened" Europeans don't provide more help that whole region will soon be engulfed in flames. Failure to control Iran and their minions, Hezbollah will force a free peoples (and only democracy in the region, created by the UN) to act in self defense.

Recriminations and wailing will be heard far and wide and much assessment of blame. The responsibility for the next conflagration will belong to those who stood by and did nothing to prevent it! Not only did nothing but offered excuses and encouragement for the terrorists.

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Rikito says on Jun 23, 2008, 08:43:

romy, pretty much the same way intellectually. But, the Christian fundamentalist does not go around killing innocent people and then look to the sky as they "Allah akbah" which in Arabic means, "God forgive me for being such as jerk off!" To the Fundamentalist ,God probably just shakes his head like the father who wacthes his son come home from college at Christmas with a tat, lip earrings, makeup, and a dress, and says, "damn, I coulda had a v-8."

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 09:20:

Hizballah in Venezuela: Will the U.S. move?
by Gustavo Coronel (more by this author)
Posted 06/23/2008 ET
Updated 06/23/2008 ET

That Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez’ regime is enabling Islamic terrorist organizations to take root in South America is no longer in question. What will the US do?

In December 2002 freelance journalist Martin Arostegui published an article in Insight Magazine (“Chavez plans for a terrorist regime�) in which he reported the arrival in Venezuela of Hakim Mamad Ali Diab Fattah, a member of Hizballah. Venezuelan officials received him at the airport. In connection with his presence in the country Arostegui interviewed the former Venezuelan Intelligence Director, General Marcos Ferreira, who said Fattah represented only the tip of the iceberg in a Cuban-Venezuelan operation to promote the infiltration of terrorists from Hizballah into the U.S. Between 200 and 300 Cuban intelligence, he added, were already active in this project within Chavez inner circle, led by Cuban Captain Sergio Cardona. Ferreira also identified Ramon Rodriguez Chacin, the current Minister of the Interior of Chavez, as Chavez’s designated link with the terrorists.

In 2005, Barbara Newman reported that the Venezuelan Island of Margarita had become a main center of financing for Hizballah in Latin America and that members of this organization were entering the U.S. with Venezuelan documents obtained in that island.

In 2006 I reported on the installation by Hizballah of small cells in the Venezuelan side of the Guajira Peninsula, bordering with Colombia. (Gateway Pundit, September 1, 2006).

Also in 2006, a report by a U.S House of Representatives sub-committee led by Texas Representative Michael McCaul (R-Tx) asserted that the government of Hugo Chavez was providing support to terrorists, including false identity documents that “could prove useful to radical Islamic groups�. Venezuela, the report added, “is emerging as a potential hub of terrorism in the Western Hemisphere, providing assistance to the Islamic radicals from the Middle East�.

In the last weeks a fresh wave of detailed information about the links between Hugo Chavez and Hizballah has emerged. Writing for Caracas newspaper “El Nuevo Pais�, Venezuelan exiled journalist Patricia Poleo has published two articles (June 13 and June 20, 2008) in which she describes how Hizballah in Lebanon is training young Venezuelans in the use of firearms and explosives. “The young Venezuelans�, she says, “are members of Chavez’s political party PSUV, and are recruited by, among others, Tarek el Ayssami, current Venezuelan Vice-Minister of the Interior and by Gahzi Nasr Al Din, at the Venezuelan Embassy in Damascus, Syria [later moved to the Venezuelan embassy in Lebanon]�. Poleo says that, after the Venezuelans trained in Lebanon return to their country, they link with radical groups of their same party and of the Bolivarian University. These groups, Poleo adds, are closely connected with Hizballah in Venezuela and with Iraqi Al-Qaeda members living in Venezuela, as well as with the Venezuelan chapter of the Palestinian Democratic Front, led by Salid Ahmed Rahman, who has his office in downtown Caracas. Poleo says that there are ten or more training camps of Hizballah in Venezuela. She identified one of the most notorious members of Hizballah in Venezuela as explosives expert Abdul Ghani Suleiman Wanked, who is Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah’s right hand.

Her second article provided specific information about the connections of Hizballah terrorists with the Chavez regime. Poleo says that a key man behind this activity is Raymundo Kabchi, a Lebanese born lawyer with Venezuelan nationality. Mr. Kabchi has been an “advisor� to the Venezuelan Foreign Minister for some years and is the person who recommended Nasr Al Din for his job at the Venezuelan embassy in Damascus, Syria.

Very recently the U.S. government moved against some Venezuelan members of Hizballah. June 20 the Treasury Department designated two Venezuelan supporters of Hizballah, Ghazi Nasr Al Din, the same person mentioned by Poleo in her articles, and Fawzi Kan’an, along with two travel agencies owned and operated by Kan’an. This designation was taken pursuant to Executive Order 13224, which targets terrorists, those acting on their behalf or those providing them with financial, technological or material support. The assets of these two persons in the U.S. have been frozen. In their designation the Treasury Department asserts that Nasr Al Din has facilitated the travel of Lebanese Hizballah representatives to Venezuela to ask for financial support. Kan’an is also identified as a major financial supporter of Hizballah.

Together with the abundant evidence linking the Chavez regime with the Colombian FARC, as increasingly accepted by hemispheric and European governments, the information linking Chavez with Middle Eastern terrorism puts him under imminent danger of being formally charged by the U.S government as a promoter of terrorism. His recent about face concerning the narco-terrorist FARC, distancing himself from this organization, appears to be a tactical diversion, rather than a major change in strategic orientation.

The U.S. government appears to be getting closer to move decisively against the regime of Hugo Chavez. In doing so, it could -- and probably should -- declare Venezuela a state sponsor ot terrorism. This could create a major political and economic crisis due to the importance of Venezuela as an oil exporting country and the extreme dependence of the U.S. on oil imports. However, this is one potential crisis that seems to be no longer avoidable, one that is no longer if but when.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jun 23, 2008, 12:32:

Arab Street "ready to die for" Hugo Chavez

Forget Hezbollah's Hassan Nasrallah, the most popular leader on the Arab Street is Hugo Chavez. That's according to Al Jazeera's Dima Khatib, who has penned a disturbing article on the cult of Chavez emerging in the Arab world. Khatib reports that Chavez's decision to withdraw his charge d'affairs from Tel Aviv has helped him create a following so dedicated that "many [Arabs] declare they are 'ready to die for' Chavez."

In Gaza and Ramallah ... next to Arafat's and Che Guevara's posters, a new poster of Chavez is being added.... [O]ne could even see Venezuelan flags in demonstrations in Beirut, next to Lebanese and Palestinian flags, and in many prominent newspapers across the Arab World, columnists wondered: why can't Arab leaders do what a Latin American non-Arab non-Muslim leader dared do?"

Khatib concludes:

At a time when nationalism in the Arab world is linked to Islamic movements such as Hamas in Palestine and Hezbollah in Lebanon, both branded as terrorist movements by Washington, Chavez represents a very different trend."

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/1468

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Monita Linda says on Jun 23, 2008, 13:26:

Tasco y Rikito: thanks for your support.

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Monita Linda says on Jun 23, 2008, 17:15:

Power hungry and looking for war would not be the worse, if he does not already have a lot of power, financial resources and oil.. and he is just crazy if you ask me.. insane....

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vladimiro says on Jun 23, 2008, 17:47:

Imagine if the French Resistance, born of the German invasion, had defeated the Nazis sing-handedly and thrown them out of France. That's what Hezbollah, born of the Israeli invasion, has done. Its an historic accomplishment.

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billyb says on Jun 23, 2008, 18:49:

"Imagine if the French Resistance, born of the German invasion, had defeated the Nazis sing-handedly and thrown them out of France."

Now we really are in fantasyland ;)

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 24, 2008, 00:35:

"Power hungry and looking for war would not be the worse, if he does not already have a lot of power, financial resources and oil.. and he is just crazy if you ask me.. insane...."

Shit, this sounds exactly like the US government.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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kalder says on Jun 24, 2008, 00:51:

This puerile apologising for Hezbollah is all of a piece with the Left's dreary, predictable bully-worship. If a dicatator or gang of terrorists are sufficiently brutal (and cynical enough to occasionally mutter stuff about 'the people' and 'the revolution'), there' s always some starry-eyed leftie to gush over them like a love-lorn schoolgirl....

"My boyfriend's back and you're gonna be in trouble.
Hey na ne na..."

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Monita Linda says on Jun 24, 2008, 06:36:

Vladimiro, you are comparing a Colombian apple to an Israeli cactus.

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Rikito says on Jun 24, 2008, 07:19:

vladimiro,
you, buggy, and the other nitwit who was eventually banned must have been born from the same load of poop. In fact, I would not doubt for a second that you are all one in the same. I looked at your profile and it is very similar to the others. Namely, the information you provide in your profile is false. The only truth I saw was your list of friends..."no friends."

It figures.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jun 24, 2008, 07:21:

This is going off track and doesn't have much/any relevance to Colombia. If you want to continue discussing the topic, keep it civil.

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Rikito says on Jun 24, 2008, 07:37:

"Truth" is a difficult word to keep civil when passion is involved. And it is on topic. People like 'Valdimiro' justify people like Chavez who somehow gets people to think he is the second coming. And now Chavez is in bed with the muslims and once the muslims get there nose in the tent well...read the following metaphor, it is for a problem where permitting some small undesirable situation will allow gradual and inexorable worsening. It is a good representation of how the muslims will come into Colombia and the rest of South America and when the do you will pray to the east 5 times a day and your wife will be covered at all times when she leaves the house:

"One cold night, as an Arab sat in his tent, a camel gently thrust his nose under the flap and looked in. "Master," he said, "let me put my nose in your tent. It's cold and stormy out here." "By all means," said the Arab, "and welcome" as he turned over and went to sleep.

A little later the Arab awoke to find that the camel had not only put his nose in the tent but his head and neck also. The camel, who had been turning his head from side to side, said, "I will take but little more room if I place my forelegs within the tent. It is difficult standing out here." "Yes, you may put your forelegs within," said the Arab, moving a little to make room, for the tent was small.

Finally, the camel said, "May I not stand wholly inside? I keep the tent open by standing as I do." "Yes, yes," said the Arab. "Come wholly inside. Perhaps it will be better for both of us." So the camel crowded in. The Arab with difficulty in the crowded quarters again went to sleep. When he woke up the next time, he was outside in the cold and the camel had the tent to himself."

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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tasco66 says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:31:

"vladimiro,
you, buggy, and the other nitwit"

The other nitwit was Cassini and is the same poster as Buggy. But I don't think Vladimiro is the same poster as buggy. He does not have that French thing...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Rikito says on Jun 24, 2008, 08:43:

you mean he wears a thong instead of a helmut?

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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Dolfi says on Jun 25, 2008, 02:17:

It is really calming to know that the far right present here are at this moment a small minority even in the USA and will probably lose the next election because of proven unability of their politicians.

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Rikito says on Jun 25, 2008, 04:50:

yeah...like the Germans are world leaders and an example of all that is right in the world. Not!

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 25, 2008, 06:38:

Im with you Dolfi. Perhaps now that more moderate leaders are gaining momentum the world will be more pragmatic and less hypocritical...wishful thinking perhaps.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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billyb says on Jun 25, 2008, 06:46:

Moderates? like who? Chavez? Putin? Ahmajinidad? Ortega? The leaders of China? Correa? Morales? Castro? Fernandez? As a matter of fact, the euros have been moving right, just look at the last couple of years, you got Merckel in Germany, Zarko in France and Burlisconi in Italy.

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 25, 2008, 07:31:

Not really BillyB, I was actually thinking of Barack Hussein Obama.
In regards to the 'rise of the right' in Europe, Merkel and Zarko are hardly on the same page as USA conservatives, so they remain pretty moderate in my books...Berlusconi on the other hand is an outright POS.
I am surprised you think of me as an Ortega/ Ahmedinajad groupie Billyb, I am a leftie by American standards, but never a fundamentalist or an extremist.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 08:09:

Obama wants to invade Pakistan and Sarko threaten war with Iran, I would not call them exactly moderate leaders.

I would like to know if buggy considers his President “a moderate"

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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billyb says on Jun 25, 2008, 08:17:

Oh did Barack Hussein get elected already? BTW, all that people know about Obama is that they don't really know anything about him, he's a blank slate. I am willing to see what he's about, as McCain doesn't really inspire me, but until then I'm not drinking the koolaid like so many seem to be doing. I don't put you in the category of ortege groupies (far from it), but as they seem to be the only new leaders from the left that are in the news, I thought you were thinking of them as an example of a "moderate" leader that has just come to power. But it does seem to me that you might be a closet rightie (there is still hope for you) :) as the only new leaders with any influence in the world that fit the term moderate are coming to power as center rightist as evidenced by the euros i named above and not from the left.

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 25, 2008, 08:25:

Tasco, I do not believe Sarkozy ever threatened war with Iran. He did say Iran was risking an attack but he was refering to Israel and the US, he never mentioned France or French support.
As for Obama's comment on an invasion of Pakistan, I was baffled...but it would not surprise me that he is using that bellicose rhetoric just to meet the triggerhappy requirement needed to be elected president of the USA.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 08:38:

Not the words of a moderate nation accoring to me:

France warning of war with Iran

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner says the world should prepare for war over Iran's nuclear programme.

"We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war," Mr Kouchner said in an interview on French TV and radio

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6997935.stm

President Sarkozy called Iran’s nuclear ambition the world’s most dangerous problem yesterday and raised the possibility that the country could be bombed if it persisted in building an atomic weapon.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2337190.ece

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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romy says on Jun 25, 2008, 09:05:

were any convictions ever made against Ortega?

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billyb says on Jun 25, 2008, 09:38:

So now you are defending Ortega? But you were willing to convict Uribe on the word of an admited liar like Yidis alone? Doesn't do much for your attempt at being seen as fair and unbiased, does it romy?

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romy says on Jun 25, 2008, 09:56:

I was curious... How am I defending anyone? is that your way of saying he wasn't convicted? maybe you should stop assuming eh... haven't you heard the whole 'makes an ass out of U and ME'?

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 09:59:

"So now you are defending Ortega? But you were willing to convict Uribe on the word of an admited liar like Yidis alone? Doesn't do much for your attempt at being seen as fair and unbiased, does it romy?"

Yep, another fine example of the hypocrisy of the left...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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romy says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:02:

besides billyb, ASSUMING those were my intentions... are you indirectly admitting that you are biased towards Uribe?
ie. the guy can do no wrong

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:03:

"is that your way of saying he wasn't convicted?"

"Former President Daniel Ortega invoked parliamentary immunity against charges of sexual abuse filed by his stepdaughter, Zoilamerica Narvaez, now 30."

Jajaja, you can be so funny sometimes romy...

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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billyb says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:25:

Yes I am biased for Uribe against that little pedophile, but hey, if he's the kind of leader that inspires you, you have my blessings.

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billyb says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:27:

"Former President Daniel Ortega invoked parliamentary immunity against charges of sexual abuse filed by his stepdaughter, Zoilamerica Narvaez, now 30."

Nice way to avoid conviction, no romy? So does that make him innocent in your eyes?

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romy says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:38:

no, I didn't know... and I still don't know the entire story... that's why I asked. why would he be the type of leader that inspires me?

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billyb says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:42:

Oh, I don't know, seems like you agree on much? BTW, whose side are you taking in his little tiff with Uribe?

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:45:

“I didn't know..."

Funny from a guy who was calling me ignorant the other day…Jajaja

The laughs just keep on coming

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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romy says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:47:

I don't even care... It doesn't even matter... Nicaragua-Colombia relations are minor anyways... how about we focus on the problems in Colombia, instead of diverting public attention

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billyb says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:49:

I'm just curious, I am sure you have a side, as unimportant as the issue might be. Although accusing Colombia of sending assasins is a Colombia issue. And you might think our relations are minor, but if a shooting war breaks out over San Andres and the sorrounding waters, will that also be minor? Or were you not aware of that conflict?

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:56:

“I'm just curious, I am sure you have a side, as unimportant as the issue might be."

Here is clue:

http://poorbuthappy.com/buggy/

As my good French friend would say "qui se ressemble s’assemble" (those who resemble each other will get together)

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 10:59:

I am waiting for another “I didn't know..." answer

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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romy says on Jun 25, 2008, 11:00:

I don't take side against Colombia... I can't stand Uribe...

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Cerealkiller says on Jun 25, 2008, 11:40:

"Not the words of a moderate nation accoring to me..."
This does not mean much really, unless you're some powerful leader or influential academic in disguise (which Im sure you aren't BTW). Again, none of your articles mentions France as the country declaring war, which deems the statement ambiguous.

Addressing France's ambassadorial corps, Sarkozy stressed that such an outcome would be a disaster. He did not say that France would ever participate in military action against Iran or even tacitly support such an approach.
But the mere fact that he raised the specter of the use of force is likely to be perceived by Iran as a warning of the consequences of its continuing course of action and by the Bush administration as acceptance of its line that no option, including the use of force, can be excluded."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/27/europe/france.php

A nuclear-armed Iran would be unacceptable and the world must continue to tighten sanctions while offering incentives to Tehran to halt weapons development, he said. “This initiative is the only one that can enable us to escape an alternative that I say is catastrophic: the Iranian bomb or the bombing of Iran,�? he said. He did not say who would carry out such an attack, which has been suggested by policy experts in Israel and the US.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2337190.ece

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 12:23:

“He did not say that France would ever participate in military action against Iran�

And for a good reason, believe me…

I guess France threatening any other country with war can be taken as a good joke!

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 12:48:

Now back to the original subject:











Romy said: "Hugo and Hezbollah.... sounds like Harold and Kumar "The North Koreans and the Arabs"

Yep, no relation whatsoever, jajaja

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jun 25, 2008, 14:33:

Maybe that's why buggy is moving to Colombia?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Dolfi says on Jun 26, 2008, 01:22:

You´re pathetic. 50.000 refugees from Iraq are living in Germany, in the USA it´s just 6000. And you are talking about Eurabia, what a joke! Why don´t you take care of the victims of of your agressions yourself? There are about three million Muslims living in Germany (with 80 million people ) while in the USA it´s less than two million (with almost 300 million people). Do you know why? Because you can´t swim through the ocean from the Middle East to the USA, while you can get to Europe over land, not because we like these people and invite them.

You´re making the wohle world a big mess, leave it to others to clean it up and you are making fun of them. Ridiculous!

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tasco66 says on Jun 26, 2008, 05:08:

Dolfi, recently a French judge has cancelled a marriage after a request by a muslim man. Reason : his wife was not virgin as required by Islam.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/02/europe/france.php

In Germany a judge cited the Koran in turning down a German Muslim wife's request for a fast-track divorce on the ground that her husband beat her.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/22/news/germany.php

Can't blame the USA for that can you?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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billyb says on Jun 26, 2008, 06:41:

"You´re making the wohle world a big mess, leave it to others to clean it up and you are making fun of them. Ridiculous!'

Just be thankful to the US that you are not posting in russian. Anyways when you get tired of your muslims and start blaming them for all germany's problems, you germans can always resort to your tried and true methods that 'worked' so well a few decades ago.

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tasco66 says on Jun 26, 2008, 07:49:

Actually, the Teutons beat the Ottomans yesterday at the Euro semifinals. They saved the Europeans the embarrassment of having a Muslim team win the Euro soccer tournament.

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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tasco66 says on Jun 26, 2008, 07:54:

I wonder why Hezbollah is saying "gracias" to Chavez?

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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romy says on Jun 26, 2008, 08:34:

Do the moderators not care that there is all this muslim hate going on in this thread?

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tasco66 says on Jun 26, 2008, 08:41:

"Do the moderators not care that there is all this muslim hate going on in this thread?"

They sure don't seem to mind all the Uribe hate on this site...

Now back to Hugo of Hezbollah:

Bravo, Presidente Uribe for the perfect operation!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jun 26, 2008, 09:29:

Romy, you're right.
I think we don't need to add more fuel to this flame of hatred and misinformation. This thread is locked as of now.

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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