How To Get Along in Colombia!

misterB says on Apr 28, 2005, 14:41:

i agree as far as how that really sucks for america.

but what does that have to do with colombia?

it's not the colombians that are taking over california, its the mexican's....

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 28, 2005, 15:56:

Ah yes, Gator, but to hear the buckaroos here tell it, the US is the cause of the world's evils and in general, a horrible place to live.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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spigrimace says on Apr 28, 2005, 16:02:

from my experience.. I´m hung over and not understanding the sarcasm and maybe lightheartedness of the original post but I´ll defend the "Demand a local COLOMBIAN driver's license and cedula. This will afford other legal rights" statement.

Only because by Colombian law a foreigner can legally have a business here and COlombia always promotes foreign investment. But when you are a extranjero small business owner in Colombia, they need to work out the rediculous amount of catch-22´s they put the extanjero into because you dont have a cedula. Without the cedula, a bank will not open a bank acount, the Camera Commercio will not recognize you as Gerente (e.g. President) or Representante Legal (e.g. CEO). So for example, I have a good trustworthy friend of 5 years as my Rep. Legal. of my company. We finally just ran into a problem with this arrangement because an EPS (e.g. HMO) is bitching that my Rep. Legal cannot be a dependent on her husband´s EPS policy (he works for a different company) while she is the sponser of my company´s affiliation of coincidentally the same EPS as her husband. Their penalty made no sense to me as well. The EPS will not allow new employees of my company to be affiliated with the EPS but by law I have to provide these employees with health insurance (wow, another catch-22). I really dont see why the EPS cares about the whoile situation but not having a cedula makes a never ending fight that would be much less stress relieving if the government could assign the cedula immediately to foreign investors and if they want a system of checks and balances, the government could assign a trustee to the compnay at the company´s expense for say 6 months, the average wait time for the cedula. Thus I would say from my experience I support that we demand the cedula upon an investment of opening a small business as to afford you the legal rights...that by Colombian law, you "already" have.

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Copete says on Apr 28, 2005, 19:48:

Bigotry That analogy of Americans in Colombia is totally off the mark. And the big difference lies on the fact that the US, unlike Colombia, is almost by definition a land of immigrants, and until not too long ago seemed to have a general welcoming attitude towards them (well, especially if they were white Europeans). But the newly found bigotry against immigrants (undocumented Hispanics in particular) is a dangerous notion that seems to be finding quite a bit of acceptance lately. The widespread opposition to bilingual education is a good example. Contrary to the popular belief, I for one have never met a college-age US-born Hispanic who can't speak English proficiently. They speak it at least as well as George W. Bush does. I know it's a low standard, but I'm sure most people agree that he has "made it". On the other hand, in most countries in the world bilingual eduaction is regarded as very desirable. Not in in the present narrow-minded, monolingual United States.

What's most sad is that the human drama of those immigrants is exactly the same as the one of those who fled Europe for the US by ship for many decades. I'm sure they didn't arrive with an immigrant US visa either. The only difference is that back then it wasn't illegal but today it is. When will the bigots realize that the biggest problem is an immigration legislation that's not in line with the American reality and with American history? I'd agree that the Mexican border needs to be brought under much better control, but you'd be dreaming if you think the ultimate solution will come down to raw law enforcement.

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miamimike says on Apr 28, 2005, 20:07:

Gator, sure you don't mean Miami.... Sure sounds like it to a T. The Immigrant group getting the "Biggest Shaft" here in Miami is not of hispanic origen BTW, it is the Haitians. Talk about a lousy welcome-they get it.Their country is the poorest in the hemisphere, extremely dangerous(more so then any latin american nation presently) and they get deported in a heartbeat. Contrast that to the Cubans who get a hero's(?) welcome here in Miami, SSI Benfits, free medical, educational and housing benefits. Oh, forgot to mention residency in one year and a day and instant work permits. Is this a great country or what?

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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kernow62 says on Apr 28, 2005, 20:11:

Furthermore the primary reason there are Spanish language TV and radio as well as newspapers in the US is simply because they are making money, especially for American companies who advertise on them. It is not an act of charity, it is capitalism at work. Without the advertisments these media outlets would not exist.

When Hispanics in the area where I reside visit the doctor they have no trouble communicating, perhaps because many nurses and doctors are from Spanish speaking countries. If Colombia had a large number of English speaking doctors and nurses I am sure it would be preferable to communicate with fellow English speakers in English rather than Spanish.

History goes in cycles they say, California, Texas, Florida, New Mexico were all Spanish speaking areas, English was forced upon the residents, now Spanish is gently pushing its way back in.

It is never easy leaving ones family and friends to move to a foreign land just to earn a living. The US is doing the right thing though, they are exporting more and more jobs south of the border, eventually there will be so much work in Mexico that the gringos will start heading south to find a job.

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Miguel says on Apr 29, 2005, 01:52:

kernow62 FYI, the Spanish language radio broadcasting industry out performed every other format in the US in 2004, and was the only sector to show double digit gains over 2003. Early indicators for 2005 look promising, as well.

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misterB says on Apr 29, 2005, 02:43:

Copete "and until not too long ago seemed to have a general welcoming attitude towards them."

I think we do have a general welcoming attitude, thats the whole point. Everytime i talk to a european that has made his/her way over to the states, they're always amazed at how tolerant we are of other people's culture's. Like the original poster i think is trying to show, its the demands that brings forth resent.

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lpdiver says on Apr 29, 2005, 04:16:

Gator... Add to your list...Marry a gringo to legalize your illegal presence.

T

"cook some rice!"

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kernow62 says on Apr 29, 2005, 05:31:

Ipdiver why are all these gringos going to Colombia to find their brides, sounds like there are enough already in the USA to go around.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 29, 2005, 05:49:

The perfect country.Come fr The perfect country.
Come from Europe with out any papers, cheat and slaughter the inhabitant and later request papers from others to come here.
On your way from your massive illegal migration from Europe make a pit stop in Africa and pick human beings and treat them like cattle to be sold and put to work.
Start Unions and only hire Italian Irish immigrants and other European at $37 dollars an hour with coffee break every half.
Give Mexican miserable jobs that citizens don’t want for $5.20 an hour and after they finish doing their 12 hour work day, dump on them and blame them for all the problems.
Give your dope addicted citizens free, Medicaid, Medicare, dental, housing, and then dump on illegal Mexican for being stupid and busting their ass working so much. .
Take a ride to any reservation and ask a 6’2� Native American named Johnny Two Feathers a Lakota Sioux from Pine Ridge Reservation what he thinks of European illegal immigration to their lands that nearly wiped them out. After he punches your pretty blue eyes out, ask who he will welcome to his land, his brother natives (Aztecs) or Europeans that came with their diseases to slaughter them and the few left over imprisoned on reservations where many still remain living in utter poverty in the richest country in the planet. He (Johnny) will ask why the fuck your lazy assholes are always bitching so much about little freaking Mexican that work like machines and don’t take up much space, hell, many of them live 27 to a room.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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elmodefoque says on Apr 29, 2005, 06:24:

Most of the hate for Mexicans is coming from those yahoos living in one horse towns. Their hates originates from the comfort of their trailer home while they sip on Budweiser and eat their USA issue cheese sandwich. Here in NYC most of us love out freaking 3 feet tall Mexicans, they make our life very cozy. any time I want something to eat, it could be 4 freaking am after one of those vicious munchies from smoking powerful grass, I pick up the phone and call a restaurant just 2 doors from in front of my building, the Dominican waitress takes my order, the Mexican cook prepares my "mangu" and the other Mexican delivery guy brings it to my door in less than 5 minutes for a lousy 2 dollar tip. See if I get service like that from some guy named Bubba Redneck.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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joyzers says on Apr 29, 2005, 06:47:

Elmo You couldn't have said it better, and I'm in total agreement. Have you seen the movie, "A Day Without A Mexican"? It's completely about this subject, and I believe will definitely leave most people thinking differently about things at the end of the movie. You summed the entire history of the US up in a couple paragraphs. We think we are superior, but we don't realize that we got here by other people's willingness to bust their ass to make our privileged lives cushier. Do they ever complain, NO. Do we, YES. Sad, but true. That shows you that all of the possessions and astronomical amount of greed that us gringos have. We have everything, and we complain about all things. These Mexicans (which by the way every Hispnanic is considered Paco the Mexican- I hate that!), don't have as much, on average, as we do. They always are happy and laughing and enjoy life. I work with a high percentage of Mexicans that can't read or write and work their asses of every single day of their lives. I have never heard one complaint come out of their mouths about the pay or the terrible treatment that we gringos give them with our superiority complex. Like I said, check out that movie, I enjoyed it.

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lpdiver says on Apr 29, 2005, 06:53:

Kernow62 I don't know. I started a thread a while back about how easy it was to find them here. It got very little response. I met mine while working overseas and imported her...jejeje.

Funny thing was when I took her to English classes the Iranian girl trying to bribe me to marry her sister!!!

T

"cook some rice!"

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calipro says on Apr 29, 2005, 06:53:

The life of a mexican I live in Phoenix Arizona and there has to be at least 500,000 illegal aliens living here. I have to audit presort houses that sort U.S. mail and verify large mailers for revenue protection. Almost done of the workers in these factories speak english. Hell all the signs are in spanish. One place doesn't even have a swamp cooler.

It always amazed me how mexicans could take the 120 desert heat. When I was 21 I got a job installing cable TV in residential houses and apartments. I got paid by the hour plus $10 bucks for each hole I had to dig for the cable. It had to be six inches deep so I could run the cable from the street to the house. In the summer when it was hotter than hell here I used to pick up illegal mexicans looking for work off the street corners in the morning. I paid them five bucks for every hole they would dig. I guess I should have paid them less because they would fight to get in the back of my pick up truck whenever they saw me.

Mexicans are some of the hardest workers I have ever seen. I know few Colombianos that would or could work like a Mexican.

Persoally I think that for every Mexican that makes it across that buring Arizona desert alive and gets a job that we should send one american welfare recipient to live in Mexico. About 200 illegal imigrants die crossing the desert each summer here.

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Qubo says on Apr 29, 2005, 07:20:

In South Florida, Haitians are definitely getting the stick up their arses with no vaseline while the cuban (mainly european descendants) get a piggy back ride all in the name of dismantling communism in Castroland.

It's funny how the USA quickly forget that many haitians fought side by side in Savannah, GA against the british and it was the 1st country in Latin America to gets its independance from France which caused Napolean to sell the whole Midwest "Louisiana Purchase" after losing his richest colony (People in the midwest would be speaking French.)

Oh and the Liberator of South America Simon Bolivar took refuge in Haiti and was given soldiers and weapons to return S. America to defend off the conquistadores and formed La Gran Colombia.


Its seems Haitians and Mexicans are always getting hammered hard and other Latin American groups too but no one never mention all the illegal European and Canadians living in the USA..Why?

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joyzers says on Apr 29, 2005, 07:31:

Por favor! Don't even get me started on the welfare system. That's a whole other discussion, much worse than our problem with illegal immigrants.

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miamimike says on Apr 29, 2005, 08:25:

On the Haitans.. Qubo-you are Spot on. They really get a Raw Deal. Not to forget, ironically they(Haiti) fought to help Liberate Cuba also way back when.

CaliPro-Your right on the Mexicans being Hard Workers-the other Nationality Group that IMO work as hard are those little guys from Guatamala. Man, talk about hard workers-they are them! When I worked at Krome Detention Center in Miami I gave many of these immigrants health screenings and I could always tell by the Callous buildups on the hands who worked the hardest and almost always it was the mexicans and Guatamaltecos who had the heavily calloused hands.Haitians also from working in the sugar cane fields. Healthiest immigrant group-the Cubans.

Calipro-you are the first guy in a long time I have heard mentioning a "Swamp Cooler"-thinking about buying one for my miami condo.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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michaelz says on Apr 29, 2005, 08:46:

illegals
Mode seems to have a problem with Gator’s comments, but his answer doesn’t address the question. Gator was right. Let a gringo, or just about anyone for that matter, try to illegally immigrate to Colombia (or most any other country) and what will happen?

Will they get free education?
Will they get free medical care?
Will the get bilingual everything?
Will they get drivers licenses and other government recognition?
Will the government look the other way, even though they are in the country illegally?

NO WAY! Best case, they will be deported. Worst case, they will be thrown into some stinking shit-hole of a prison. No other country in the world would put up with the level of illegal immigration that the USA has, but we’re supposed to put up with it “because we are a nation of immigrants�. So what?

I like Colombia. I like Latin culture. That doesn’t mean that anyone that manages to break the law and sneak into this county has the right to stay. Immigration laws need to be reformed, but first they need to be enforced.

On some Mode’s other main points:

On your way from your massive illegal migration from Europe make a pit stop in Africa and pick human beings and treat they like cattle to be sold and put to work. - If you know anything about history, you know that the gringos were the ones who ENDED slavery, not the ones who started it. Slavery existed from the dawn of time to the 20th century. It was endemic in the ancient world. Christians, Arabs and Turks enslaved each other for hundreds of years. The Africans were enslaving each other long before the white man showed up. In fact, it was the Spanish ancestors of the Latinos who introduced slavery to the new world (decades before the British).

Funny how some people seem to think that slavery only ever existed in the southern USA.

Later on, have those same people live in big city ghettos under the watchful eyes of a fair minded un bias, respectful police departments. - Until after WWII, asian immigrants faced just as much bias and just as much discrimination as Blacks. How many asian families are poor for generations? Each year, thousands of latino, asian and black immigrants come here with nothing (or less than nothing in because they have to pay off smugglers), yet they are successful in a generation or two. If “the man� is trying to keep everyone down, why the disparate success rates?

Give Mexican miserable jobs that citizens don’t want for $5.20 an hour and after they finish doing their 12 hour work day, dump on them and blame them for all the problems. - I think you are putting the cart before the horse. If illegals were not here, most of these jobs would be filled, but at higher wages. American businesses are addicted to the cheap labor that illegals provide. If there were less people willing to take shit wages, the wages would go up rather than jobs going unfilled. Bottom line, the gubment should be procecuting employers who hire illegals.

Give your dope addicted citizens free, Medicaid, Medicare, dental, housing, and then dump on illegal Mexican for being stupid and busting their ass working so much. - Come on. Something like 40% of American working people have no health insurance because their employer does not provide it and they are too poor to afford it. Meanwhile, the health system pays billions each year to provide unreimbursed health care to illegals. Think Colombia would do that?

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elmodefoque says on Apr 29, 2005, 09:11:

Gringos don’t need to ask to migrate anywhere, all they have to do is bomb the crap outta anybody and just take over with the full support of republicans, Bible belt yahoos and fat cats.
Illegal Mexicans pay taxes but don’t see any of the benefits. How? you ask. They buy illegal social security cards. Ok, sometimes they claim 140 dependents; money will be deducted from their paychecks, which they will never see. most of us will enjoy our pension and social security while they worked a hundred times harder than you and I. you think they got time to waist bull shitting on a web site, hell no. those guys are doing jobs you don’t freaking want, not even Bubba, fishing all day for bass. Not even Colombian immigrants want those jobs. I love those little bastards, and I think they got more rights than you and I; after all, half of this shit was theirs to begin with.
Never mind all that, is Kat giving me any of that wild costeña loving or not?

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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elmodefoque says on Apr 29, 2005, 09:29:

I will be the first one to tell you, I love this freaking country, sometime even more than Colombia, but for us here in NYC, outside this city is very a scary place filled with weird people. You’re not gonna find this modefoque walking around freaking Idaho, no matter how much i love potatoes

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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ARMacleod says on Apr 29, 2005, 10:06:

And you think it only happens in the U.S.A? At 20 years of age when I married for the first time, I applied for local housing in Cumbria, I was told that as I was in the army at the time, my name would be reserved, and I would get housing for my family when I left HM forces.

22 Years later I appeared at the local housing department only to be told that, due to an unexpected influx of immigrants from Africa I would have to go onto the waiting list.

I became a police constable, it was the only way that I was going to get a home for my wife and five daughters.

In desperation I sold everything that I had got two jobs and managed the deposit for a home.

There are now in addition to the Economic Immigrants and all the two million (estimated) other scroungers in our country over a quarter of a million failed asylum seekers here in this small land.

Me????? If I was in the same boat as most of them were I would be doing the same thing as they are doing now. If there is the money to go round, then good.

Part of the dissension here is that recently, employers are welcoming them with open arms, and mostly because they are hard workers and put our own to shame, they also work for less money, but not much.

So welcome to the UK, if you are willing to put your back into it the way we have not done for years, you deserve to stay here.

Pax vo-bloody-bis-damn-cum

James. (anyway I am going to Colombia for good soon, so I care not one jot.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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lpdiver says on Apr 29, 2005, 10:10:

elmo Come on down to Louisiana and we'll show you how to party coonass style.

T

"cook some rice!"

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elmodefoque says on Apr 29, 2005, 10:23:

Thanks dude, I always wanted to go there. I love to fish the delta and eat crawfish with lots of hot sauce, but was always afraid of coming across guys with shotguns. After watching “deliverance� I fear getting my nicely tanned ass raped or have some sheriff named Bewford T, Justice throw me in jail. I know, us city folks could also be a little ignorant.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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poco says on Apr 29, 2005, 10:36:

Great,, learning more and more Do some posters enjoy seeing their words in print when quoting a minority viewpoint.

Treating illegals "badly",, give me a break,, does someone here have a reading deficit? Defining the conditions of illegals and applying to LEGAL U.S. Citizens is LAUGHABLE.

Houston is 50% Spanish Speaking,, MOST are legal Mexicans and the pay is good. They can learn a trade on the job if they are not College educated.

EAST COAST FIRMS in the fishing business may go bankrupt. They paid $10 USD per hour for seasonal workers to clean the blue crab harvest. All the LEGAL aliens the U.S. issued temporary visas were going to work FOR HIGHER wages. U.S. congress is discussing increasing the temporary visa quota. No U.S. citizens will fill a seasonal job,, not because they are lazy,, they can make more money or work in another city….

Most of the hate for Mexicans is coming from those yahoos living in one horse towns. Their hates originates from the comfort of their trailer home while they sip on Budweiser and eat their USA issue cheese sandwich.

So,,, where do you get this information? Is there a Redneck periodical ? Cruising the Trailer Parks? Been to any U.S. farming communities recently?

There is a problem and it is voiced by State Governments and newspapers.

Article, California State Illegal Problem

The U.S. appreciates the legal or ILLEGAL intelligence and work ethics. Doubtful many will expend the effort to read 5 pages.

Article, Phoenix students Excel

Not much fun to compare hardships and perceived conditions,, especially when the comparison requires hard work and perseverance.

Colombian Excels

Check your toilet, is it flushing contrary to the rest of North America?.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

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elmodefoque says on Apr 29, 2005, 10:44:

Hey guys, lighten up, is Friday, and is payday in the greatest city in the world, NYC. There are thousand of restaurants and bars to choose from, but if you don’t like looking at illegal Mexicans this is not the place for you, good chance one of them will be the cook, the bartender or the waiter. Don’t go to place called “Mama Mexico� on 101 and Broadway, the OWNER is a little Mexican guy and used to be illegal. Now this place is one of the hottest best Mexican restaurants in Manhattan, there’s always a line to get in.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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lpdiver says on Apr 29, 2005, 11:06:

Elmo That would be rednecks. We would just party on bourbon street. BUT, I do have several shotguns...

T

"cook some rice!"

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toneloc24 says on Apr 29, 2005, 11:09:

Couldn't help myself. "Most of the hate for Mexicans is coming from those yahoos living in one horse towns. Their hates originates from the comfort of their trailer home while they sip on Budweiser and eat their USA issue cheese sandwich.

"So,,, where do you get this information? Is there a Redneck periodical ? Cruising the Trailer Parks? Been to any U.S. farming communities recently?""

Yeah, it's called FOX NEWS.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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elmodefoque says on Apr 29, 2005, 11:15:

a guy named Bill O'Reilly and others. Fair and Balance reporting.
is time for my first margarita, adios ya all!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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toneloc24 says on Apr 29, 2005, 12:12:

Well, whatever the case, people throughout the US soak up their (Fox News as a whole, CNN, etc.) crap and REALLY believe it. They believe what they want to believe, regardless of how ill-conceived or illogical the ideas being pushed really are. Common sense need not apply. "It's on the news so it must be true."

How in the hell can any gringo sit in California with cities named Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, San Jose, Sacramento, etc. and at no point think that Mexicans have been migrating all along this area now known as California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas for many years prior to now? Did gringoes somehow name these towns? And now YOU GRINGOES want to close the borders?

Complete utter ignorance. It's a superiority complex.

Until a Native American says close the borders, it's all BS.

Here's a story regarding an immigrant who does not oppose these militia groups set up to protect California's borders.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/29/schwarzenegger.immigration.ap/index.html

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 29, 2005, 12:20:

Leave us Texans out of the anti-Mexican and anti-immigrant hysteria. We know which side our bread is buttered on and it's getting buttered in Mexico so we better be nice! If anything it's the damm Feds that are making us stop a lot of things we do like handing out drivers licences to anyone who wants one or educating everyone regardless of whether you're legal or illegal. One of the reasons I'd like to see Texas secede and tell Washington to go to hell. We were part of Mexico once and maybe we'll just make our own little country with the states of northern Mexico - they hate Mexico City in Monterrey!

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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miamimike says on Apr 29, 2005, 21:01:

Here in Miami a lot of Immigrant Abuse in the... workplace is not committed or iniated by Northamerican employers. The bulk of the Abuse against immigrants of Latin Descent here in Miami is by employers of their own Nationality-that is to say same race. These people think nothing of hiring a babysitter or housecleaner and making them work 24/7 and then will not pay their Social Security(its the law-over $50 wages per quarter-got to pay SS)if the immigrants complain, the employer threatens the immigrant by saying he/she will call immigration and they will get deported.Many of the people doing this are Cubans who arrived here in the 60s-70s and seem to think they have more of a Right then other immigrants arriving now. And this abuse happens bigtime-but not at the hands of Northamericans for the most part. Ask a Latin waiter/waitress who is the Best Tipper here in Miami-I'll be surprised if they don't say, "Northamericans of course"

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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miamimike says on Apr 29, 2005, 21:27:

Another Thing I don't understand... is why children of Illegal/undocumented immigrants think they are entitled to attend Florida Public Universities at Florida Resident Tution Rates. Many out of state students attend school here and Pay Non-Resident rates. Many go into heavy Debt and repay their student loans for decades after graduation. The Parents(legal residents) of these students are US Taxpayers who pay lots of Federal Taxes but get no Discount on Tuition when their Children attend schools out of state as here in Florida. Why should someone who is illegal get the same(or a better break) as a legal resident?? Go into debt as any american student has to do by paying the going non-resident rate. When I travel to Colombia or the DR for Medical Work or in the past, college Courses at The Universidad de Guadalajara I payed the going rate for Extranjeros-not even a thought as trying to attend at resident mexican rates. I payed Cash on the Barrelhead for my medical work even though I knew Natives payed maybe 20% less. Never an arguement-I payed. Why should others expect it from us?

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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ColombianoX says on Apr 29, 2005, 22:22:

"Lou Dobbs on the Communist News Network is a world class bloviator, too, when he does his daily Mexican/immigration/outsourcing thing. "


I agree, doesn't that Lou Dobbs ever talk about anything else other than illegal immigration or outsourcing? I hate that guy, he just comes off as such a racist! Bill O' Reilly has also been hammering this issue a lot lately, but at least he always covers other topics of national interest on his show.


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Brians says on Apr 30, 2005, 05:47:

Wow what a post There is so much tension here it is amazing. As an America I beleieve I am very objective. We are bashed for just about everything we do yet everyone still wants to immigrate here. Yet I agree with most of you. There is a very bad tone in America that our soft economy is to blamed on outsourcing and illegals. This country was built on immigration and we need to rethink that here. This finger pointing only leads to hatred. Hitler used the same tactics against the jews. I am not saying we are going there but it is not healthy. We need to understand our problems are not the illegals (mostly low paying jobs) or outsourcing (not nearly as bad and has been happening for 50 years to different regions of the world). I think that the problem America has is also it's best attribute. We are not a homogenious society like Colombia, Mexico, Sweden etc.. We are a melting pot. We end up blaming the different looking guy who is making more money. However immigration has been the lifeblood of this country and always will unless this seniment doesn't change. I am sure it will soon. Anyway I love Colombia and it's people and I love America. I guess sometimes I feel like Americans get blamed for too much and not enough credit. Sorry guys if I went off subject a bit. I think this subject is sensitive to a lot of people. I am a Gringo and I guess I just hate being referred to as one with a negative notation. I actually feel a lot of these posters on Poorbuthappy hate me and my country. Sort of like how a lot of uneducated Americans blame illegals and outsourcing for our problems.

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gregshav says on Apr 30, 2005, 06:22:

I live in New Mexico near the border, and I don't know a single person here who is against people coming across to work. What our concern here is, is that in the long stretches of desert anyone could walk across with a bomb or any other device and create a huge problem. What most people want is a secure border to keep out the riff-raff, not necessarily people looking to work. Most people around here understand we need the Mexican workers to fill jobs. The workers are trying to support their families just like us, and they are doing jobs that would NOT get done unless they did them. California maybe different, but no one here is crying about the strain on the system of the immigrants. We are actually concerned about the strain on the system if the immigrants are prevented from coming to work.

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kernow62 says on Apr 30, 2005, 07:43:

I think we should be as concerned about terrorism from within the borders of the US as from an external threat. There are a lot of people fed up with the government for one reason or another, and a lot of well-trained military personel amongst them.

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toneloc24 says on Apr 30, 2005, 07:45:

Gator Not sure what your motives were in creating this post, but Colombia does not proclaim to be the "melting pot" that the USA does. It's not hypercritical in this aspect. As such, Colombia doesn't need to concern itself with different highly-complex immigration issues.

Move to Colombia if you want, BUT you must do such and such. You want to do business in Colombia? Fine, but you must do such and such. They actually apply their rules. For instance, applying for residency status, applying for a cedula, etc. etc. It applies to ALL immigrants (Germans and Ecuadorians), not just to some. It doesn't ring of favoritism, regardless of the underlying reasons.

The national language in Colombia is Spanish, bottom-line. No cow-towing to the Cuban right or Mexican officials. Move to Colombia, learn the fucking language.

If California, Texas, & Florida amongst other states did the exact same thing and stuck to it, there wouldn't be the need for multiple-language forms are whatever the case. If people migrate to the USA and can't speak English, you don't change the rules for them. Make them a responsible party. Make them learn English.

This is the whole "kids are never wrong so don't discipline them" syndrome that's completely overcome the USA since the 1980s. If they're never wrong, they keep pushing the limits more and more.

Blame politicians (state and federal) in the USA for that unfortunate turn of events here. They should be defending the laws, as opposing to trying to cater to "bases." They and US corporations want it both ways. The result is what we got. In the end, you blame the kids (immigrants) for being themselves.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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toneloc24 says on Apr 30, 2005, 07:54:

Kernow62 People are resorting to banding together as militia groups these days. Back to the days of the posses. Or lynch mobs. Where does it start? Where does it end? Against whom is it enforced? There's your source of potential internal terrorism. Gun nuts with a cause.

And the Gov. of California is pretty much co-sponsoring these types of actions, as opposed to doing his job. What kind of message does that send? What happens when some of these "volunteers" get killed in the process? War with the Mexicans?http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/29/schwarzenegger.immigration.ap/index.html

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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kernow62 says on Apr 30, 2005, 12:16:

I know what you mean Toneloc, you should see some of the gun laws here in Florida. If you feel threatened you can shoot! Very scary. What happened to good ol' fisticuffs to settle an argument?

I predict a sharp rise in dead spouses and more than a few traffic fatalities attributed to guns instead of simply driving whilst talking on the cell phone.

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dwmte says on Apr 30, 2005, 16:25:

common now kernow.... it's gonna be like 'high noon' there'll be shootouts in the street, dueling will be legal and the asshole in the car next to you is better than 'fair game' he's better off dead.

the bumper sticker that tell you to 'keep it up, i'm reloading' aint bullshit or cute anymore. it's the reality here in the far east of the wild west.

the I-4 corridor is gonna be like the alamo...so load up buddies it's gonna get wild...

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miamimike says on Apr 30, 2005, 20:40:

They said Err on the side of Life... (Mr. Bush and Brother Jeb) concerning Terry Schiavo here in Florida when the Feeding Tube was going to be pulled. Very Well, anyone has the right to defend their home and arm-I sure am with my .410 double Barrel Pistol.I have NO children in the House either so no chance of a young one getting my firearm and playing. However, how does that mentality square with Florida's New Gun Law, which is nothing more then an extension of the "Castle Doctrine"( a man's home is his castle and he can defend himself while in it) I cringe to think what will happen on our streets, interstates(i-95)when someone flips another driver the Bird, roadrage occurs and one pulls out a Glock an opens fire. So how does this "Err on the Side of Life"? Undertakers and Casket Bulidres are set for a Spike in Business and Sales. Not to mention the carnage that is going to occur when youngsters discover mom or Dad's Piece in the Car and shoots themself accidentally. Not going to Happen?? Happens every week here in Florida-a 6 year old shoots himself with Dad's Pistol.Bad Law Jeb,like the Motorcycle Helmet Law you did away with a few years ago and now Florida Hospitals are seeing record numbers of Head Injuries and severe trauma because many riders ride without protection. And many are in a permenent vegatative state for life due to it. Erring on the side of life??

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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dwmte says on May 1, 2005, 06:13:

aww....common mike... it's gonna get so interesting, it'll start a completely different strain of tourists coming here...just imagine, 'high noon' encounters not just in disneyland, but in your own back yard.

glocks and .50 calibers replace water guns, blood shortage hits an all time high (low) and dead kids are the new statistic. doesn't that all sound fantastic? RIP

dw

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kernow62 says on May 1, 2005, 08:23:

And my wife made me get rid of the 10 ga. with magnum shells filled with copper shot because I told her it would knock down the whole wall when I fire it. She said oh no, I've worked too hard decorating and keeping things clean for you to blast it to bits! I love her, she has her priorities and bugger mine. ja ja

I drive I-4 every day and my finger tends to have a mind of its own, I am going to have to tie the bugger down.

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