How do you like Mexicans movies about Colombians?

de pronto says on Oct 14, 2007, 15:16:

Monpìrri can you tell me the names of the movies?

Creo que te refieres a películas que no se pueden llamar películas, pero quisiera que me dieras exactamente el nombre de las mismas.

... y viaje a Macondo todo pagado

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webmanco says on Oct 14, 2007, 15:41:

Mompirry Colombia and Mexico share a lot in culture. Bad publicity is another thing we share both Mexicans and Colombians.

It is fine not to smile a lot from generalizatons on movies or elsewhere, but also it is not good to feel offended. We need to learn to be patient and tolerant without creating an unnecessary debate.

A palabras necias oídos sordos.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Monpirri says on Oct 14, 2007, 16:47:

De pronto, there are several of them out there, you just have to stop by any video rental store in the states. One the two movies I mentioned above is from 2005.

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capitan_centella says on Oct 14, 2007, 20:52:

some of the worst movies i´ve ever seen about colombia was:

Delta Force 2: The Colombian Connection (1990)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099399/ . . . with Chuck Norris.

I still hate that f*cking movie. . . and second on my top five of WORST MOVIES I EVER SEEN. . .

"When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me.

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john_stark says on Oct 14, 2007, 21:19:

I don't know, Monpirri. I like them about as well as I like Colombian telenovelas about Mexicans, i.e. Pasion de Gavilanes. Every time I watched it I thought, geez, these guys know nothing about Mexican vaqueros.

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romanc says on Oct 14, 2007, 21:37:

I don't like Mexican movies about Colombia, they are even worst than Hollywood movies, bad stereotype.

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christobeldawg says on Oct 14, 2007, 21:39:

I don't know too many movies, from anywhere and about any people or place, that don't stereotype.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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Simon says on Oct 14, 2007, 21:54:

I have not seen any Mexican movies that portray Colombians negatively but if they are putting us down then I think that is very unfortunate.

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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christobeldawg says on Oct 14, 2007, 21:59:

I am from the southern US, so I am used to us being stereotyped in movies. Colombia is stereotyped by Hollywood. Movie makers want to make money, and most audiences do not want to have their longheld biases challenged.

admittedly, arriving can feel great too

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Totaso says on Oct 15, 2007, 03:43:

We were watching one those mexican movies about colombian cartels and we ended up turning off the dvd right after we heard and saw the beginning of the story.
My girl said colombians were stereotyped real badly. You got to see the movie where the woman cuts the guy's neck.

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Miguel says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:03:

Like who gives a shit about how Mexicans portray Colombians or Hollywood, for that matter.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:16:

I'm guessing a movie about a sweet little Colombian abuelita who gets up at 5 AM to take the transmilenio to her job as a maid so she can put her nietos through medical school probably wouldn't be a big smash hit.

There's a reason fictional movies trade in stereotypes.

Big news break: Not all arabs are terrorists. Not all Colombians are narcos. Not all Russians are mobsters. Not all Chinese do kung fu. And, no, those weren't Julia Roberts real tits in Erin Brockovich, either.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:23:

I think you might be wrong on the last one, Mr. H. I once saw an interview with Julia-baby and she said all of her outfits included a Wonder Bra/Miracle Bra.

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Miguel says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:25:

"And, no, those weren't Julia Roberts real tits in Erin Brockovich, either."

"Their called BOOBS, dad".

Good one, Mr. Hollywood!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:26:

I once saw a great little video about the making of Erin's boobs. Julia was quite hilarious in it. Those are her boobs about as much as that foil-wrapped cucumber is Derek Smalls' real cock in Spinal Tap.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:30:

Hmmm...You mean they were prosthetics or body make-up? Or were they super-squeezed-and-lifted to create nice cleavage while lots of padding and gel was hidden underneath? Enquiring minds want to know.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 15, 2007, 09:49:

I think the second option describes it best. Her natural assets were jacked up like a monster truck.

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Monpirri says on Oct 15, 2007, 16:53:

Miguel, "Like who gives a shit about how Mexicans portray Colombians or Hollywood, for that matter." I do care and many other Colombians who want to be respected around the world do care as well. I'm talking about those who want to use a Colombian passport to travel freely around the world without being discriminated because of their place of birth.
Colombians already have a bad image in front of the English-speaking world because of the Hollywood pictures and Colombians also carry negative stigma in front of the eyes of the Spanish-speaking public because of these noxious movies.

Let give you an example that happened not so long ago, a Colombian friend of mine who lives in Florida mostly in an area where everyone speaks Spanish, found himself in a dangerous brawl because the locals were putting all kinds of labels and stereotypes on Colombia and Colombians. He become very upset with them and he told them the truth, the way it is, but he almost got beat up, Thanks goodness someone called me on time and I had enough time to rescue him from a possible lynch or a possible death.
In a way, he brought this problem upon himself for staying there dealing with these morons, but you know who else is responsible for the violent mob behavior?
The egocentric media or in this case, the rotten movies, why are they responsible? Because people who do not watch the English media due to a language barrier or otherwise, they love to sit and watch the Spanish media, television and especially the Spanish movies and bingo! This is how they get nourished with bad, false and polluted information.
So yes, Miguel, I do care about this debauched movies and it’s time to have a change!
Now you know why I am so much in favor of Colombian soap operas, but then again you know what’s being happening to them too.

MAC

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Oct 15, 2007, 17:19:

Monpirri - I'll shoot myself before I ever watch a soap opera, but with respect to your comments about the movies, aren't you exaggerating a bit? Using the math below that takes the estimated size of the illegal groups and then increases them by a factor of 3 (because based on the AUC demobilization, that's the excess that decided to sign up for amnesty)...

AUC: 10,000 to 12,000 government estimate x 3 = 33,000
FARC: 12,000 to 16,000 government estimate x 3 = 42,000
ELN: 3,000 to 5,000 government estimate x 3 = 12,000

.. and throwing in another 13,000 for the various narcos, coca growers and corrupt public officials, you get a nice round number of 100,000. That's only about 2/10ths of one percent of the population, but they're doing terrible, newsworthy things. So the Hollywood films will continue to get made because, like it or not, stereotypical or not, they have a kernel of truth to them.

Until the violence and drugs go away I think the best you can hope for is a greater number of films covering a greater number of subjects. If they're any good, they'll help offset or dilute the predominant image you're complaining about.

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Monpirri says on Oct 15, 2007, 17:33:

Tinto, my article above was not much about Hollywood movies, although I did mention it as a point of reference. I was mostly emphasizing the other movies the ones that are not made by Hollywood, have you seen them? Are you familiar with them? All these negative craps do not help Colombia or Colombians very much.
You math does not make sense to me, maybe for a wall street banker, it looks pretty though but it does not have any significant in this regard.

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goin_south says on Oct 15, 2007, 17:38:

'''who gives a shit about how Mexicans portray Colombians or Hollywood'''...
..................monpirri, de pronto, webmanco, romanc, capitan centella, simon, totaso....

if you don't, then...
as rubito would be prone to say:
...... 'jus don't f*qn post'

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Oct 15, 2007, 17:41:

OK, let's forget about Hollywood for a moment. There are 100 million plus Mexicans. They don't need their local film industry to learn about the damage that drugs and the drug cartels have done to their country. They experience it every day, just like Colombians.

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Monpirri says on Oct 15, 2007, 17:44:

Right on brother! As always, our 21st century philosopher Going_south shows up to share wisdom in the way he knows best. :>)

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goin_south says on Oct 15, 2007, 17:58:

'''Her natural assets were jacked up like a monster truck'''

reminds of the opposite end:

'do your tits hang low?
do they wobble to and fro?
can ya throw em o'r yer shoulder, like a continental..soldier......ette?'

chics.....know.

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goin_south says on Oct 15, 2007, 17:59:

I never disagreed with everything rubito said.

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Monpirri says on Oct 15, 2007, 18:04:

I really do not feel like going over this now, but let me answer you doubt and I'm going to put it in a very simple way for you so you can understand it and after this answer I'm going to watch the news.
If there are one million negative commercials, films or propaganda bombarding a town or city, the people or the audience is going to be affected in such a way. Ok you understand that part now?
Now, if Colombians want to change the image they need to produce over one million commercials to erase or neutralize the effect, PR campaing or commercials could well be in a form of novelas since they are very positive and very cultural. They could also be in a form of films as the ones being produced recently........Let your imagination take over!

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Monpirri says on Oct 15, 2007, 18:07:

GS me voy a dormir, mi lecho me espera.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 15, 2007, 20:01:

Monpirri, I really understand your frustration with the view the world has of Colombia but, really, it's not because of the portrayal of Colombia in fictional movies or even in the global media. It's because of the really BAD shit that has happened and continues to happen in this also wonderful country. Your passport is discriminated against, not because of "A Clear and Present Danger," but because thousands if not millions of Colombians have entered the US and Europe on tourist visas and then never left. People associate Colombia with cocaine because it's where 85% of the world's cocaine is from, not because of "Scarface" or "Blow".

You ultimately cannot change the image of a place without substantially fixing the underlying causes.

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juancegomez says on Oct 16, 2007, 14:40:

While that's true, that doesn't make it fair either, on all the above counts. Not that fairness matters much in today's world, but hey...

Not to mention that without drug prohibition, the drug war and the consequences they spawned, hardly something we Colombians invented on our own or had any real control over once they were set in motion, a lot of those problems would be significantly smaller, at least.

But well...history is dynamic, and what comes around goes around, I guess. In a couple hundred years all this will read like a bad novel, I hope.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 16, 2007, 14:46:

I totally agree about the drug war and the harm wrought on Colombia as a result of criminalization.

Of course, that's also not the fault of moviemakers.

I hope you're right that in a couple hundred years this will all read like the British Opium Wars or something like that.

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Simon says on Oct 18, 2007, 18:27:

Mr Hollywood,


So if Colombians as just drug-dealers in the world's eyes because that is where most of the world's cocaine comes from, how come those nationalities that consume most of that cocaine aren't stigmatized for it?

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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Colombiche says on Oct 18, 2007, 20:55:

I am taking this PMP exam training seminar.

Today, we were discussing cultural differences and ethical practices, and the instructor asked the question:

"other than afghanistan and iraq, what is the most dangerous place in the world to work?"

This girl in the front row yells out "Colombia????"

The answer was "a chinese coal mine".

Oh well, at least she tried :)

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Monpirri says on Oct 18, 2007, 21:38:

Let’s go back to the issue in course. By the way, Simon you have a very good point!
Can the we or world imagine what would happen to those countries if we begin to mass produce movies against the country that consumes the most drug and mass produce stereotyped movies against the other country that now it surpasses Colombia in drug deals or exports? I tell you what would happen, Colombian movie makers will be making the money and the other countries will be black listed in front of the eyes of world. The roles would change, don’t you agree?

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goin_south says on Oct 18, 2007, 21:56:

This girl in the front row yells out "Colombia????"

The answer was "a chinese coal mine".

Well,....if they 'dig deep enough'.... she was just about right,...jjej

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goin_south says on Oct 18, 2007, 21:56:

dig deep enough for the coal

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 19, 2007, 08:27:

"Can the we or world imagine what would happen to those countries if we begin to mass produce movies against the country that consumes the most drug and mass produce stereotyped movies against the other country that now it surpasses Colombia in drug deals or exports?"

Uh, let me guess, nothing would happen?

What country now surpasses Colombia in cocaine exports?

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 19, 2007, 09:18:

One more question: How about how Colombia is portrayed in Colombian movies. Rosario Tijeras, drug dealing murderers and drug addicts. La Vendedora de Rosas, glue sniffing street kids. Virgen de los Sicarios, murderers, drug dealers and gay pederasts. Sin Tetas No Hay Paraiso, drug dealers and drug whores.

I guess those themes resonate with Colombian audiences, too.

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goin_south says on Oct 19, 2007, 10:40:

remember being a kid and trying to dig a hole to china? :)

yeah, I ended up in San Diego

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MaSep says on Oct 19, 2007, 14:19:

Last time I was in my parent´s in law house in Boston, and on tv there was an awful movie about Bogota ( the savage HOT) hahaha, and drug dealers every where, I couldn´t be more embarrased, my Mother in law said: so is that hot bogota? (((I think she was imaging my wedding with her son in the middle of the forest and a buffet of drugs for the guest, and helicopters arriving with the guest and eating a lechona or something wicked!!)) well I said: Hollywood is very imaginative we wont have helicopters at the wedding!!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 19, 2007, 14:46:

I saw that movie, too. Mr. And Mrs. Smith. A shitty movie all the way around. If only Bogota had nice sweaty weather like that!

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 20, 2007, 01:02:

Mr. and Mrs. Smith must have really sucked. I know I have watched it. I can't remember a thing about it.

I know some people here hated (still hate) it, but the first movie I ever watched that made me aware that there was a country called Colombia was Romancing the Stone. There are so many things in that movie that 24 years later make me cringe when I see or hear them. Like the pronunciation of Cartagena, .... well, that's actually about it. Mr. and Mrs. Smith, I couldn't even tell you the plot, and I saw it within the last 12 months. Romancing the Stone, I haven't seen it in several years but I know the script almost verbatim. "That's what I call a campfire." "That is my little mule Pepe."

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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goin_south says on Oct 20, 2007, 01:04:

A VERY ENTERTAINING MOVIE, RJ,... in spite that the colombians don't particularly like it... I say: 2 bad. I understand why they don't like the opening scene, but... the remainder of the movie is one of the most entertaining since.... batman? no se. well, it's good, if you no what I mean.

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Monpirri says on Oct 20, 2007, 05:36:

Mr. Hollywood,

"Uh, let me guess, nothing would happen?
What country now surpasses Colombia in cocaine exports?"

Mexico Surpasses Colombia as Top Supplier of Drugs in U.S.
August 1, 2005

News Summary

Mexican drug traffickers are now the dominant presence in the U.S. illegal drug market, in what has become the largest shift of the drug trade since the emergence of the Colombian cartels in the 1980s.
The Miami Herald reported July 31 that according to federal officials, Mexican groups aided by weak and corrupt law enforcement in that country are responsible for much of the cocaine, heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine in the United States. Officials characterize the Mexican cartels as family operations with good business sense and international partners.
According to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), 92 percent of the cocaine sold in the United States in 2004 had arrived from Mexico, compared with 77 percent a year earlier.
Concerned that Mexico's increased presence in the U.S. drug trade could yield opportunities for terrorists to arrive through the smuggling networks, members of Congress have held hearings and are asking the Bush administration to devote more funds to intercepting drug shipments bound for the U.S. border.
The DEA has said that 14 U.S. cities are "staging areas" for the illegal drug trade from Mexico. These include seven cities in Texas (Brownsville, Dallas, El Paso, Houston, Laredo, McAllen and San Antonio), along with Albuquerque, N.M.; Los Angeles and San Diego, Calif.; Oklahoma City and Tulsa, Okla.; and Phoenix and Tucson, Ariz.

http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2005/mexico-surpa...


"Uh, let me guess, nothing would happen?"

1. If the role changes and if Colombia was the country making the stereotyped movies, Colombian filmmakers would be making the profits.
2. The new country in focus would be stigmatized just like Colombia and Colombians has been.

Let me give you an easy example so you understand, let’s make believe that tthe place where you were born, Afghanistan, all of the sudden, begins to produce or export huge quantities of opium to the world to a point in which the media becomes very happy, so they begin to focus on Afghanistan and the film industry of both Spanish and English begin to mass produce for a period of 15 years a number of debauched movies, Tell Mr. H. what would happen to Afghanistan?
The very same phenomenal that has been happening to Colombia today! The Afghanistanis are going to need to launch a poorbuthappy website to tell the world about the great things they have and hopefully they do not have any voltiarepa members because you know what is going to happen to their message.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 20, 2007, 19:11:

I think you're confusing something about the Mexico statistic: Mexican traffickers have now taken over the lion's share of smuggling from the Colombian trafficking organizations as the Caribbean smuggling routes have become more difficult. However, the production of cocaine is still overwhelmingly a Colombian phenomenon and coca doesn't even grow in Mexico. In other words, the drugs Mexican gangs are "supplying" to the US are first supplied to them by Colombia. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Your theory about movies being the cause of Colombia's "stigmatization" is silly. Let's revisit a key fact: Pretty much all movies, whether they're Bollywood, Hollywood, or Colombian, deal in the same stereotypes. Afghanistan, by the way, is so completely fucked that being stereotyped in movies would still about about #1,000,000 on their list of actual problems.

I don't like the ignorance that surrounds Colombia nor the stereotypes of it in films like Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but the fact is those are not what's actually responsible for the very real problems facing Colombia.

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Monpirri says on Oct 21, 2007, 04:52:

I can tell you are not keeping up with current news since the last 10 years or so and most recently, yesterday US Congress is about to pass a billion something aid to Mexico to fight the drugs problems.

"I think you're confusing something about the Mexico statistic: Mexican traffickers have now taken over the lion's share of smuggling from the Colombian trafficking organizations as the Caribbean smuggling routes have become more difficult. However, the production of cocaine is still overwhelmingly a Colombian phenomenon and coca doesn't even grow in Mexico. In other words, the drugs Mexican gangs are "supplying" to the US are first supplied to them by Colombia. Sorry to burst your bubble."

Well, let's us pick another country besides Afghanistian the result will be the same and it's evident that you do not have the slightest idea of what negative propaganda in the form of movies and/or news can do a person or a country!

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