How do you feel about her age

bickerss says on May 28, 2007, 00:32:

Latin women are a lot more mature than women from western counties generally IME. A 23 Y/O latin woman has a totally different outlook on life than a 23 Y/O australian or american, and, to boot, most latin women i knbow prefer older men or 23 y/) girls like the company of 34/35/36 year old men.

Robert Jorge says on May 28, 2007, 00:59:

Good question Bama. I can only speak for myself. My now wife is 14 years younger than me. I am 36. I don't know if that falls into the categories you are asking about. Anyway, my story (condensed version) is I went to Colombia with a buddy over a year ago. He is originally from Colombia. I had been fairly recently "singleized", but I had no thoughts of looking for a potential partner, wife, girlfriend, whatever. I was just excited to get out of the States and visit a new country. Long story short, I met my now wife by chance my 3rd day in Colombia. We spent a lot of time together the next 7 days until I left. Then, after a month or so of phone calls and Emails, I had the financial opportunity to be able to take a risk, and I moved to Colombia last June 20th. I figured it was a good opportunity to meet her family, get to really know her, and find out if "it" was for real. It ended up being the best experience of my life, and we are recently married.

I guess I can appreciate why people question our relationship and think it is unusual because of the age difference. The age difference was actually MY biggest hang-up. I hadn't dated a girl aged 21 for 10 years or more. At least in my case, I wasn't going to Colombia to look for that, I had no plans to fall in love - or even meet a girl. But, things happen. If I had been searching for a wife, or even looking to just have a good time, it would have been much easier in my case to stay in the US. It is wierd how things work out.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on May 28, 2007, 03:15:

There are guys who only mature from waist down....who only look at women and find them attaractive in their biological, reproductive prime. Some guys mature from waist up too and at their thirties and forties realize that women are great for so many other things too. Yes, bamapits, your considerations are totally justified.

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Ekdog says on May 28, 2007, 03:44:

Reply to Bamapits "Does it ever hit you when you have time to think about it, that maybe it is a little sick?"

No, it doesn't. My Spanish wife happens to be a couple of years older than I am, but I don't judge those men (or women) who have younger spouses. It's none of my business. Why don't you focus your attention on all of the hatred and bigotry that exists in your home state instead of worrying about a few gringos who happen to be married to young, attractive Colombians?


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miamimike says on May 28, 2007, 03:54:

A Woman at 17-30 is going to change a lot where a Woman say 40 and over has underwent many of her life changes(not important where in the world she lives) so it depends at what Age the woman--don't be surprised when the changes happen and it may or may not include a life with you,,,. A Woman of 40 with a 60 year old Man has underwent her major life changes; a girl of 20 with a 35-40 yr old is still changing a lot--that is simply Life,,,Don't be surprised when she does and her nationality/geographical location has nothing to do with it,,,its universal!

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aztec says on May 28, 2007, 04:51:

Ekdog, Don't you think that statement was unnecessary? "Why don't you focus your attention on all of the hatred and bigotry that exists in your home state instead of worrying about a few gringos who happen to be married to young, attractive Colombians?"

bamapits3 says on May 28, 2007, 05:27:

EKDOG It is a posting, I am sorry that you cant handle my question or the way I phrased it. This site is for opinions and suggestions, it seems like you may have some bad experiences with this subject. You dont have to bring your real life situations to the board if you dont want to. :-) The question was meant for open minded people who can control there self.Please read what i wrote below.

Dont want to cause any bad blood by this, I just want to have peoples thoughts on this. Thanks for the responses in advance.



I never cause any trouble on this page like many people, I just would like to see the mixed answers I was expecting to get. Another thing to respond to juancho00 as he said the 17-23 age group is good for any guy 30,40,50,60, well lets say your daughter was the 17 year old and her american boyfriend was 60, but lets not only keep our mind set in colombia, say you were in the states and she brough home a 40-60 year old man to the house. I bet the script flips a little now. I wouldnt be able to say that the guy or woman in any country are more mature then a westerner or even an asian, its all on the perticular person. I mean dont take things personal, it is good to see a posting get some good comments and I do appreciate everyones responses, lets try to just explain and not use negative comments.

bamapits3 says on May 28, 2007, 05:32:

EKDOG By the way....well my home state...ummm I have been in Aghanistan and Currently in Iraq for 3 years now, but (hatred and bigotry that exists in your home state) :-) Weird.....

Lostgringo says on May 28, 2007, 06:22:

What happens in Colombia stays in Colombia You are comparing apples and oranges when you compare the culture and customs here in Colombia to that of North America. So why bother going there? Most women here in Colombia are DIFFERENT than the women in North America. I was cautious when I first told my girlfriend that I was 12 years older than her. But here in Colombia it is no big deal. No, she is not in her 20's. I believe Colombians are not as hung up on age differences as they are in North America. From what I understand, Colombian women often prefer men who are 10 or 20 years older than them. Especially if these men are financially stable and do not run around.

I often see older men with younger women. If both parties are enjoying each other who cares! For myself, I found that when I got older (past 40), I started to change my way of thinking about women in their early 20's. I wanted a woman to be more of a friend than just for sex. Not to say that a woman in her 20's could not be a friend to a man much older than her. The problem with younger women and especially the stunners is that they are often "high maintenance." That's the price you pay!

Bickerss has spent allot of time here in Colombia and sums it up quite nicely. The people and the culture of Colombia is much different than that of North America. Viva Colombia.





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Leeroy says on May 28, 2007, 06:35:

Hell yeah, older guys with younger girls is nothing new. It sure wasn´t invented by gringos visiting South America.

Aji1 says on May 28, 2007, 07:51:

Let me throw some gasoline on this fire First of all I think you need to accept that many guys want to deal with there needs first. After that is out of the way they can be good loving partners to their women. Women from places other than the U.S. typically have a very different way about them. I would say the women of western Europe are the most similar to those from the U.S. There is also the fact that almost all men like to bang on a hot looking young hard body, period. It makes them feel good. I married a woman from Bogotá soon to be ten years ago. I am forty, she is thirty 38, today in fact. She still looks way hotter than the majority of the 24 year old here in the U.S.that have already started to let themselves go, even at that young age. There is also the fact, with me anyway, Caucasian women are my least favorite flavor. My wife knows what men like and how men are. She has two maybe three half siblings thanks to her fathers ways. Alas, she is ok with that. Five years ago she came to me when she was pregnant and told me I was free to "step out". Why? She knows I would not trade her in for anyone, period. Nor would she trade me in. She lets me have girlfriends scattered around because she has admitted our difference in sex drive and that my banging other chicas helps to keep my self confidence high, and she is not left wanting for anything. As for my girlfriends I have scattered around. They are typically 21-28 year old. They like older guys. Not old guys, but more experienced guys. Guys they can learn from and benefit from the company they keep. I have a girlfriend in Shanghai I will see next week. My wife knows. My 24 year old Shanghai girlfriend knows about everything as well. I get the same treatment in Saigon as well. Try to get anything close to this with an American women... you will probably end up in court first. I knew when I was 28 years old, American women are not for me. I found this out after dating a Maori women from New Zealand. So I would imagine at this point ther is no longer a need to ask why would a guy marry or look for a women from _______ country.

Aji1 says on May 28, 2007, 07:55:

Maybe my post will get her fired up Put on the boxing gloves. She has taken exception with me before. Just kidding CA, I am sure I could find some time sooth you a bit as well, lol Take this in the civil, fun nature I am presenting to you, ok.

medefockinllin says on May 28, 2007, 08:06:

They find older guy$$$ mo$e attr$ctive? Older = more years to have accumulated $$$$$$$. It often has nothing to do with maturity.

The question that you should be asking yourselves really is "are Colombian girlfriends faithful?" With respect to all of you who have found long-lasting, in loving relationships...you have been very fortunate. The reality is that women who are almost entirely dependent on a man to live do not fully appreciate the concept of fidelity....even less so if the man lives outside of Colombia. It's just the nature of the beast.

For those of you who think that your GF is faithful once you've got on the Avianca Flight 42 or AA923, you are often sadly mistaken. What usually happens is that they will be hanging out with their other younger Colombiano noviosito, who may not be faithful or has cash, but has a lot more in common with her. I know of many many cases like this...painful, but true.

goin_south says on May 28, 2007, 08:08:

yeah, common bamapits....you been over there in Iraq I haven't but... I'm guessin there too, the old men like young girls. Si, o no?

Now me? I'm no Gabriel G. Marquez.
Now, that is extreme: 90:14!
Well, in the book, anyway.
Buen dia, and get over the age differences, as long as you don't get in trouble. Hell, with those hot Colombianitas, you might find a lady twice your age to burn your fire.

Voy para del Sur

y, un mil gracias.

gringoloid says on May 28, 2007, 08:22:

bama....no one should feel guilty for their male needs. You've been watching too much TV and reading too much gringa propaganda, from some insecure, bitter, female bigots here at pbh.

I have told my 22yo girlfriend many times to pack up and find a guy her own age, three times in week, and she won't leave.

Her response is "I am not a gringa", and I'll stay by you no matter what. I'm old enough, 55, to know better of what happens when a woman turns 40.

I've been living in Cartagena, Medellin, and now Bogota since last year and I have never been to a bar or a disco, NOT ONCE, in the country of Colombia. And yet, I have 5 or 6 women a day trying to get into my apartment.

But I'm not doggin this 22yo and I may stick with this one permanently. When I come out of the shower, she is standing there with a towel and then helps me get dressed. I sit in a chair and my shoes are sitting there with the socks draped across; ready to be put on.

When I come home at night, dinner is ready, a drink prepared, she helps me get undressed and then hangs up my clothes.

(I don't tell her to do this! She thought it up on her own).

Now compare this to the gringa philosophy of "you got two hands!"

If I'm a loser, I sure don't get treated like one.

But I agree with aussie greg or UTC above, there are a lot gringos I've met that are not too swift. I've also met some con men from multi level marketing, or something like that, that are here to con these naive, gullible, desperate people. I almost threw one guy out the window, as I was translating for a group of my colombian friends.

My 73yo american neighbor is marrying his 20yo novia. She seems to want it that way.

CaritadeAngel says on May 28, 2007, 08:45:

I need to work, thats where I am. But I would never seriously consider a man under 30, unless he was very mature and switched on – I have met a few like this, but only a very few. You guys take too darn long to grow up. My love is about 20 years older than I: simply it has something to do with values, education and life experience, and many shared interests. You may imagine, gentlemen, that the man who marries me would have to be someone of rare character and patience.

I never saw age as a problem. And before you jump in with your psychobabble, I have an excellent relationship with my dad, and I have the bigger earning capacity of the two of us. Money also had nothing to do with it. He didn't tell me his age (I thought he was younger) until we were passed the point where it would have mattered. I couldn't give a toss about the age gap. My strong personality was formed by age 20, and the only times I've dated guys in my own age bracket was a skull-numbingly boring experience. No matter how young, fit and hot he is, if he doesn't read, if he is a no-brainer, thats dealbreaker. Any animal can rut – making love requires a brain. He wouldn't be able to get past the first 30 minutes on a date with me.

It is possible for a 50 year old to have things in common with a 20 year old, but only if she is his match intellectually and interest-wise. But I strongly suspect that since the gentleman here who "prefers" 20 year olds, he cannot really have anything in common with them. In which case, if he is not sick, then he is very very sad. My suspicion is that prefers them is probably hiding his sexual ineptitude - the older, wiser, and more experienced a lady gets, she realises how truly terrible in bed some gentlemen are - and because he cannot handle a real relationship. Poor sod.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

CaritadeAngel says on May 28, 2007, 09:01:

Gringoloid I agree
A smart girl needs to know how to make a man feel like a king in his own house. You need to be the head of your home, of course. But she's the neck.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

podborski says on May 28, 2007, 09:04:

I have dated women in Canada 15 years younger than I am, and a few that were older than I am.

But I have not matured from the waist up I guess, because I like beautiful women, and I don't think it's hard to find ones that are both beautiful AND intelligent, sincere, mature etc.

And it's a LOT easier to find them in Colombia.

I dated a girl almost 25 years younger than I am in Colombia, and I felt uncomfortable. I don't date her anymore, mainly because of the age difference, but also because she wants a husband and I am not the type. But we are now good friends. If I had a brain I would marry her tomorrow, and she probably would be happy to. I don't think it's for the money or the visa, she lives in London and her family is wealthier than mine.

I don't understand what the difference is between saying :'Look at those two, he's 40 and she's 20!' and 'Look at those two, he's black and she's white!' I really don't.

If I had a daughter, I would care that the man she chooses be a good person, that's about it. I'd probably prefer he not be 25 years her senior, but just like I'd probably prefer that he be intelligent, honest and hard working (amongst other things).

bamapits3 says on May 28, 2007, 09:20:

you can say what you want This is the last comment I will leave on this page because I really hate to say things like this, but a lot of you guys are full of it.....A man has needs and if you think at any point in time that if you 17-23 year old daughter brought a man home 40 or 50 and said saddy this is my boyfriend, you would flip, i know a lot of you say no, as long as she is happy, but i guess there are those who live a truthful life and then there are those who go somewhere else cause grandma's craws didnt look as good as the young girl in the country there in now. You know, I expect the girls in this posting to say they want an older man and blah blah, be serious, if a girl in colombia could have a guy 21 years old who has money, who is cute, educated and comes from a good family she would take that over a 50 year old man with the same features. Please dont take this posting personal, but i had my boots on when i sent it out, cause I know it was going to get deep.

oldbongo says on May 28, 2007, 09:20:

ho-hum.... same ol' tune...
gringoloid knows.
la commandante has an abuela that is now in her 70's,
she looks up to her, with great respect, as she raised a fine family.
of course she started young, at 15, when she married abuelo,
who was 65 at the time. they only had thirty years together in the pueblo, but it must have been good enough to set a fine example.
oldbongo was visiting innocently, with his adult daughter, when
fate presented him with the grand prize. somebody musta told her, and many others, "better an old mans' darlin', than a young mans' slave."
she is a queen,....he is the king.
and in a few years, when she hits 30,...time to trade for 2 quinceras.

gringoloid says on May 28, 2007, 09:32:

Caritadeangel, that is the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Scotty may be wrong, maybe there is some hope for us.

gringoloid says on May 28, 2007, 09:43:

oldbongo.....a couple can be the same age and still have a bad marriage that ends in divorce. In California, there is a 67% overall divorce rate and 85% amongst young marrieds.

If a woman respects the man she is with and especially is PROUD of him, (and there are very easy ways to determine this), and if the man can keep hittin the buttons.....that marriage is going to work, no matter what the age.

Those stupid gringos, and I've seen them come to colombia on these matrimonial tours, are so full of themselves that they cannot see that the colombiana does not respect them.

The problem is with women working from 6AM-11PM out of the house. Also travelling on business for 2 weeks at a time.

This is not marriage.

Miguel_Clavo says on May 28, 2007, 10:01:

Bama...most 21 year olds in Col have a rep as players, not being serious...so the dealbreaker in your scenario might be who is the more serious one, if that is what the girl is looking for.....one way of seeing it...

Just my opinion...

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podborski says on May 28, 2007, 10:27:

I don't disagree with your scenario bama 'if you 17-23 year old daughter brought a man home 40 or 50 and said saddy this is my boyfriend, you would flip'.

Maybe I would, I dunno. But maybe I'd also 'flip' if he was a different race than I am?

Would that make it right?

People are never as open minded as they claim to be, myself included.

podborski says on May 28, 2007, 10:31:

I agree with this bama: "if a girl in colombia could have a guy 21 years old who has money, who is cute, educated and comes from a good family she would take that over a 50 year old man with the same features"

now just switch one word, guy for girl:

'if a guy in colombia could have a girl 21 years old who has money, who is cute, educated and comes from a good family she would take that over a 50 year old woman with the same features'

It's only logical.

gringoloid says on May 28, 2007, 10:39:

Bama....... my mother 'flipped' once when I was a teenager and brought a Mexicana home and said she was my girlfriend. This was 1966.

My mother never saw another girlfriend of mine for the rest of her life, and she passed away two years ago. Some of her last words were, "you should have married that girl."

I am still very good friends with my amiga all these years, and she is hoping I will give up on this colombia thing and come back to NY and marry her. who knows....

CaritadeAngel says on May 28, 2007, 11:29:

IGringoloid, I'm not entirely unsympathetic nor ingorant of human needs, or male psychology. I would do the same - if my love didn't get there first - in her position (but ONLY with the man I loved, and never as a play) The sock thing seems a bit extreme, I'd probably forget, or he would probably laugh at me. Whatever floats your boat. Relationships are all about give and take.

I think to a certain extent you are living the dream, I just hope that when you wake up, you find that your babe is doing this because she's lovin' you, not playin' you. Remember that the neck turns the head. My love once said to me, that all men are originally romantics, they fall in love with a dream and the women they marry are most like that dream. He also said that at 20 a woman wants to play, not marry. I think he his probably right on both counts.

I think that in some ways latinas and grings are opposites in the sense that a gringa may be very tough on the outside, but as soft as butter once you get passed her defenses. Latinas - and especially Colombianas - well, sweet as honey on the outside, tough as old boots on the inside. Therein lies the difference. Latin cultures are not really romantic, they are passionate and pragmatic. Or passionate about pragmatism. Here, its all about survivial. Save romance for where it started: Europe.

In my cold northern European country, you are on the doorstep for a long time before people let you in: but once through the door, you are standing in the kitchen, so to speak, helping yourself to a beer from the fridge. Here - I get the impression that you are invited into the living room, given good food etc, but there is a private space at the back you can never enter. Making true friends here I think is probably quite difficult. I know some Latin guys who swear by celtic women, once past the tough exterior, they found themselves "King" of the house - and her heart - without the manipulation.

Yeah, I think you should have married the mexican girl as well. There is nothing more sexy than a man who has the courage to love.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

jay1234 says on May 28, 2007, 11:47:

bama What I don't get is that you posted a question to get people's thoughts on this. But your last post talks about people being full of it and how people would flip if their daughter brought home a much older man (which most would). You also ask if this isn't a little sick.
It seems that you were just making a statement disguised as a question. Which is fine, but what I really don't get is people's fascination with what others do. As long as it's not illegal or immoral, why the concern? Either the relationship works or it doesn't. Not sure why anyone should care. Also, the statement that you had your boots on when you posted because you knew it would get deep? Your words say you expected this, but your tone suggests that you are suprised by the responses ("a lot of you guys are full of it").
All that being said, I hope you enjoy Colombia.

podborski says on May 28, 2007, 11:51:

let me ask you this bama (to beat this horse to death, sorry!)

Should races mix? Or should people stick to being partners only with people just like themselves?

Or am I just rationalizing my own behaviour? : )

Cerealkiller says on May 28, 2007, 12:03:

Interesting topic. My bf is ten years older than me. My parents were not thrilled but I suppose it depends on the person. Once they met him things got a little better, I have never gotten along with people my age. Some people have lived and gone through a lot of things most people their age haven't. I did not feel like I had a lot in common with people my age and bf is a guy...face it, youre immature.
I don't necessarily believe that guys just go for young women because theyre hotter...chances are guys in their mid 30s are looking for the same level or maturity in a relationship any 20 year old wants. Women in their 30s often feel like their time is ticking out to have the hubby, thechildren and all that creepy stuff.
I also have the wierd idea that if people are in it for the long haul, an age gap will probably come in handy. When the guy is in his 30s chances are theyll be in the peak of their careers, while younger wife is just starting. By the time hubby's career starts declining, the woman will still be at her peak, they can take care of each other and not have to freaking hire a nurse to take care of both...
I dunno, just my two cents.
Disclaimer: I am not advocating huge age differences, I find 30 year gaps to be a little odd...what could 2 people from different cultures and different generations have in common? I can't comprehend that. I believe each to its own, but it just does not make sense in my head, I for one would never hook up with someone whose age is closer to my parents' than my own.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

oldbongo says on May 28, 2007, 13:10:

never say never... and its 31 years to be exact.

we both like kokorico
we both like convertibles
we both like juanes
we both like fun
we both like growing bigger
we both like foolin' around
and so on and so on.....

morphus says on May 28, 2007, 13:11:

Who cares? The younger the better, right?

CaritadeAngel says on May 28, 2007, 13:19:

According to the muslims...
x = 0.5y + 7

"He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

oldbongo says on May 28, 2007, 13:28:

geez.. that formula was indexed long ago....
however, the old one does draw a limit morph.

Ekdog says on May 28, 2007, 13:58:

"Ekdog, Don't you think that statement was unnecessary?"

It may not have been necessary, but I thought it was appropriate. No tengo pelos en la lengua. LOL!

Ekdog says on May 28, 2007, 14:24:

You're from Alabama, right? Why would you find it "weird" that someone would bring up the fact that you hail from one of the most regressive states in the Union, especially when you implied that anyone who happens to marry or cohabitate with a youthful Colombian woman is "sick"?

Are you under the impression that your state is thought to be a bastion of progressive thinking? My God! Your state laws did not allow interracial marriage until the year 2000! Do you oppose that, too?

I don't think things have changed all that much since I first heard these words in 1963:

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification - one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

aztec says on May 28, 2007, 14:33:

Ekdog , I am not from Alabama and... ...you are out of line. How old are you and what personal experiences have you involving Alabama?

Ekdog says on May 28, 2007, 14:46:

What, pray tell, is out of line about calling a spade a spade?

goin_south says on May 28, 2007, 16:01:

Gringoloid,..... if you're a loser, I think we all wanna B 1 !
jejee...

Voy para del Sur

y, un mil gracias.

morphus says on May 28, 2007, 16:09:

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CaritadeAngel says on May 28, 2007, 16:51:

Of course
To be fair, older women have always had younger lovers too, just that its less socially acceptable. 31 years, oldbongo. If its true love, good on ya. But I think there is a big difference between a 20 year old dating a 50 year old, or a 30 year old dating a 60 year old: those are ten crucial years in which you learn your own tastes, and your own dark side, and figure out what you really need in a man.

"He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

bamapits3 says on May 28, 2007, 20:53:

some people are now... Some people are now speaking with a little sense.EKDOG, actually my two bestfriends are black, one in the states and the other one is in colombia ( Black U.S citizen) Racial questions took this to a whole other level. I was asking for peoples opinions jay1234, but if you cant give a truthful statement and its half lie & half truth then why even post. No man in here would like there daughter right out of school to bring home a man 20 plus years then them, but hey, like many have said on this posting....its about the satisfaction for the man.....Hmmm I dont see it like that for my self, My father is going to colombia for the first time with me next month......he has a 22 year old daughter, i will see how he acts and be sure to make a post about it, eye candy is different then sleeping with her......

CaritadeAngel,
what people date is a personal preference on there part, 10 years isnt that bad cause you do see it in the states a lot, but great distances like ana nicole smith and her dead ex husband......hmmmm everyone knows when they saw that on T.V they were like she is just in it for the money. Guys need to remember a passport may not be the million dollars, but it is a key to open the gate to find the millon dollars. Thank you for your posting and looking at it both way CaritadeAngel ,Miguel_Clavo, PODBORSKI,aztec AND ANYONE else I forgot.

One last thing, to answer that question about Iraq now that it was brought up, those 15 year old girls that are with a 30-50 year old man here have no choice, he pays the family for his daughter and she has no choice, if you think she is happy, any of these girls let a lone any girl in the world would like a choice......But if you want to compare a country where they strap a bomb to there children and send them on a bus or send them into a Market.......How about you stop watching the news and come over here and see how it really is before you make a comment about a country you have no idea whats going on....I have been to colombia many times and my grandmother is from cali...

oldbongo I have to give it to you bro, 31 years apart and she like convertibles hmmmmm you found a good one :-) Cheers mate

podborski says on May 28, 2007, 21:37:

I don't think the race question is really a fair comparison, but I was just curious. There really is no significant difference between 2 people of different colours, but I don't think you can say that about people of significant age difference (like 15 years and up, just to draw a line somewhere).

But it has me thinking. Maybe I'm just not open minded enough? (I once asked a gay friend of mine if she was gay by choice or not, and she surprised me by saying yes, and that I could be gay too, if I would just open my mind more. Mmmmm, no, I can't see that being possible in my case, sorry.)

Maybe that's a better analogy: 2 people of the same sex? Should we care?

Anyway, I still don't really get why anyone cares what 2 consenting adults do or who they do it with. But it does lead to some interesting debates, to say the least.

goin_south says on May 29, 2007, 02:04:

bama....about her age, I feel...... nothing. Nothing more than Gabriel G. Marquez, himself. Well, not quite that low. Man, stop the sh*t about age. Look at what those ladies write: "Age is not important, but what a man's character is...important". (to quote a trusted member of PBH): NUFF SAID!

Voy para del Sur

y, un mil gracias.

medefockinllin says on May 29, 2007, 06:36:

bamapits3 - can you stop going on about Iraq... You never fail to mention it in every one of your posts. This forum is about Colombia. Mentioning it every 5 seconds does not make you more manly my friend.

CaritadeAngel says on May 29, 2007, 08:04:

I think you are right Pod Many feminists are “lesbian by choice� (another proof to me that extreme forms of feminism are ridiculous chauvinistic and unsustainable), and have eschewed “the enemy� (i.e. Men) forgetting, of course, that men are sort of necessary to perpetuate the human race, and (if only they would see it) rather good fun at times. I feel that what she probably means is that she is afraid of men, or afraid of surrendering control, or afraid of being played. My detractors here will be rather surprised to hear that I actually have more male than female friends, and that there are far more decent men (they still want to have sex with their female friends though) than there are players.

Gay by choice? I think that that is hogwash. You can do “gay� actions by choice; you can even do them exclusively. But that won't make you gay. Its something you are rather than something you do. Regarding the “race� issue: I think the problems in an interracial relationship are more likely to come, externally, from external pressures such as prejudice, which are getting much less common in Europe these days, and internal pressures such as disparity of religion, social class, cultural values and education levels. An age gap is important: I talked about that with the host family I live with. My host said to me that in the end, marriage is a lottery, but that in these parts people think that a big age gap will lead to “cuernos� or other problems such as insecurity. But in the end, you go for the best fit.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

jinksmiester says on May 29, 2007, 08:05:

I think most colombian woman are mature sooner than woman from the U.S. OR Canada.I think that the economic realitys of Colombia are a lot different and they are forced to grow up quicker.Supporting family becomes something that each family member contributes to.Its not like the U.S. or canada for most people.The living standards are different...suffice it to say that most people here(north amercan) would most likley need a hell of a great job in colombia to live up to the north american standard they are accustomed to..I know people here in canada that buy there children brand new pick up trucks or cars when they graduate school.They shell out money (lots )for there children to attend universitys.I wonder..how manny would be doing that if they were born in an average colombian family.
Age difference does not seem to be of major importance to manny colombian woman.However most of the ladys i know there do want a guy they find attractive and feel happy to be with and if they met a guy it would not matter if he had loads of cash....they would not date him if they felt he was to old and were not attracted to him.Of course there are woman who would date regardless of looks or age,possibly just attracted to money or in search of a green card..those are the ones that would get married in one or two weeks flat without even knowing the guy they are getting married to.But for the good colombian ladys,finding a mate they are attracted to who is a good person and good family provider seems to be whats important...that and bieng happy.
As for the others...you have the gold diggers on one side of the coin and the older men after hot young ladys on the other...but they are adults and both sides know exactly what they are after so its not for me or anyone else to judge.
Im 9 years older than my wife and ive dated a few younger woman (north american)than her...we are happy together...in the end thats all that matters.Age is not an issue...love and happiness are.I believe anyone who lives there life trying to follow other peoples standards and opinions is a fool....If i was 10 years older i still would have married the same lady if she had wanted me...all in pursuit of happiness and true love...Bieng older does not automatically make you into a pervert who is only after sex.And i don,t believe that if you marry someone a lot younger that it automatically makes you a bad person.Most people are probably smarter with age and exsperience in relationships.If your feelings and intentions are hounest and genuine thats what counts.i would not have denied our happiness because someone else feels its not correct(perhaps not for them)... after all, who are they to judge others?

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

podborski says on May 29, 2007, 08:38:

the girl I knew was bi, and eventually got married and had a baby, so she didn't hate men, which is why I was surprised she said it was her choice. I figured, why would someone choose a path that leads to lots of hassles and disapprovals from parents and people who don't know any better?

I think for some people it's a choice (maybe the guy who never got laid in highschool so he decided to switch teams?) but really, I think for others it's genetic. I'm pretty sure I can spot a gay man without being able to point out what it is that makes me think that.

Of course, there are undoubtedly lots I can't spot (a coworker once surprised the hell out of me when he came out of the closet, he was the proverbial 'football player' jock), but gay men do seem to have certain traits in common that make me think there's more to it than choice.

But I'm way out of my league talking about this, just my observations.

And another thread successfully hijacked!

kentuckygreg says on May 29, 2007, 09:07:

How about this classic movie line...so true. :)

http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/same_age.wav

kalder says on May 29, 2007, 09:11:

Marriage is difficult.

Marriage to someone from a different culture is even more difficult.

Marriage to someone from a different culture AND a different generation is going to be one almighty challenge.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

podborski says on May 29, 2007, 09:15:

agreed! but I get bored easily ;)

Miguel_Clavo says on May 29, 2007, 09:22:

Great post, Jinksmiester! Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

kalder says on May 29, 2007, 09:22:

Then don't get married to ANYONE brother!

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Miguel_Clavo says on May 29, 2007, 09:28:

Variety is the spice of life, cierto? Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

CaritadeAngel says on May 29, 2007, 09:29:

I dunno pod Most guys I know who didn't get laid in highschool studied the arts of seduction and turned into the biggest dogs around (in the worst cases) and worked on their interpersonal and befriending skills (in the best), or had religious convictions. None "turned gay".

Way more guys didn't get laid in highschool than ever let on. My gaydar is pretty good. It comes down to a swot analysis. Strengths, Weaknesses Opportunities and Threats, the subtle way in which a woman evaluates a man. Strengths? Check. Weaknesses? Check. Opportunities? Not really there? Threat? None existant? If there is no indication of the threat (we are really great friends, but I would do you if given half the chance/if I wasn't already taken/If only things were different/If only you didn't have a big scary boyfriend/If I was forty years younger/didn't have religious or moral convictions prohibiting it/all of the above) then he is gay.

I once asked one of my male friends if there was such a thing as platonic friendship. He responded: Sure. The man is either lying or gay.

Age: well, I'd go along with Jinx. I would prefer it perhaps if my bf was 10 years younger for a few reasons (mostly because I don't want to face many years without him later on, and men don't live as long as women anyway) but you gotta have some guts to love, so I'm taking the risk. You don't know what the future holds anyway. All I know is I am so thankful that I didn't marry the first man who asked me.

And so, probably, is that gentleman.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

podborski says on May 29, 2007, 09:47:

no worries kalder! I know my weaknesses and so far I have managed to stay happily single (not that marriage implies unhappiness, it just isn't for me).

I used that guy who didn't get laid in highschool example only because I heard that from another co worker (lots of gays work in banks I have discovered).

Platonic friendship: I sort of don't agree. I have several close female friends. I only want to sleep with some of them. If it doesn't happen we will still be friends. It's not the first thing I think of if a female friend and I make plans to go out, but I wouldn't complain if things turned in that direction, and I'd almost certainly flirt a bit just in case. I can enjoy the company without sex, but wouldn't that just make it even more fun?

Women think that sleeping with a friend is a bad idea, and it's probably true, but us guys think it's just adding a new dimension to a good relationship. But then we can rationalize anything when it comes to getting laid.

oldbongo says on May 29, 2007, 13:38:

kalder will likely agree.. a young man should not get married yet..
an old man, not at all.

marriage is an institution that one must be committed to,
.......sounds like a nut-house.

and if anyone cares, la commandante was born in the pueblo,
raised in the barrio, and studied on her own. after working for three
years in a very high profile position for the best tourist hotel in the country, and after being hit on by thousands of colombians and extrajaneros of all types, all it took was a little rasta magic, and oldbongo was in the arms of an angel, although it took a year.

now, with an adult around, oldbongo is able to continue wandering around, head in the clouds of timewarp, dreaming of what he will be when he grows up, and know that somebody loves him and is taking care of his wardrobe.

as to oldbongos' daughter, obviously, he would be more thean pleased if she introduced her new boyfriend and he was a greybearded angel.
her last boyfriend was a contemporary crybaby.

esanch36 says on May 29, 2007, 13:52:

Advice for all you old pasty, white as hell, baby chasin gringos If theres grass on the field, play ball, my melotonin challenged friends....play ball....
esanch36

All right, I'll ask: How come it took three seconds to euthanize Eight Belles, but the Womens NBA is starting Year 12???

podborski says on May 29, 2007, 15:47:

oldbongo sounds like a cool and lucky dude!

pinagirl says on May 29, 2007, 16:36:

from an gringa with a young colombiano novio :) unfortunately gringas get such a bashing on this website and really, i know that there are some out there without a clue, but let me just say that there are some of us 35-40 year old girls who are with our younger colombiano novios and loving it!! my experience is that a lot of american guys have no idea how to be romantic and how to treat a woman! and let's not talk about dancing salsa haha..guys here in colombia are just plain different and when you find a good one, there is no better. probably just how some of you gringos feel i'm sure with your colombianas...just showing that the feelings can flow equally on both sides.

CaritadeAngel says on May 29, 2007, 17:50:

But what gringos continually don't understand Is that women have always taken younger lovers - for a variety of reasons, some for love, some for playing around - its just that its so much less socially acceptable for a woman to do it so they tend to keep quiet about it. And I would agree with Pinagirl about the dancing ability of your average gringo.

In my country, I have to ask Scottish men to dance, not the other way round. It's rather pathetic. There he is, the Wallflower who wandered into the salsa club and spends the evening cowering in a corner hiding behind his pint glass.

Me: Would you like to dance, its quite easy, I can show you if you like.
Wallflower: Nooooooooooooooooooo (cowers even further behind his glass, adheres himself to the wall as if he is bonded to it with superglue)
Me: But, why not?
Wallflower: I might look like a poof.
Me: For dancing with...a girl?
Wallflower: Aye!
Me: Riiiiight. Why would you look like a poof if you were dancing with.... a girl?
Wallflower: Cos you have to move yur hips n' a' that.
Me: (Pointing to my pal from Cuba). You see that guy over there?
Wallflower: The big black guy?
Me: The big black guy. Is he moving his hips?
Wallflower: Aye.
Me: Does he look like a poof?
Wallflower: Naw...
Me: And tell me, who is dancing with the gorgeous blonde, him or you?
Wallflower: Him!
Me: And of the two of you, who has the better chance tonight of scoring with her, him or you?
Wallflower: Him! (Begins to sob quitely in to his beer).

This is of course why latin guy do so well in Scotland. For the women are born with innate grace, rhythm, and romanticism, and the men are cack-handed and tongue-tied with the ladies.

But you are playing with fire, Pinagirl. The guys here get very threatened when one of "their" women dates a Colombian guy, even though they hate "their" women and are apparently fleeing Gringolandia which has become the abode of Amazons who dine each morning on sautéed testicles.

But as for the gringos here, well, you've ventured into their locker room. They'll be calling you all sorts of nasty names in no time at all I shouldn't wonder.

But I do notice, that since I started engaging them, more women are posting here. Cool.

“He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

David in Idaho says on May 29, 2007, 18:07:

CA, though I may not always agree with everything you say, I really do enjoy your writing style. Of course it would be boring and pointless if everyone always agreed on everything. So for what it's worth, I'm glad you're here.

jinksmiester says on May 29, 2007, 18:59:

Hey C/A..i know a few canadian woman where i live`that are dating guys 10 years + younger than them...they are also constantly jumping from one younger guy to the next.It would appear they have no interest in dating someone there age..i think they don,t know what there missing.Most young guys are like race horses ...quick to the finish line if you know what i mean.But then again if you get an old horse you could do your income tax and mail it off before he reaches the finish line....lol..

A man is not old until regret takes the place of dreams

CaritadeAngel says on May 29, 2007, 20:04:

Thanks David Jinx, my experience is not broad enough, but I agree with Oldbongo that its better to be an old man's darling than a young man's slave: well oldER anyway, but money isn't the reason for that. I just would be bored senseless with a younger guy, they generally have nothing much to say for themselves. An older guy has the good sense not to make it obvious he's mentally undressing you (even though, of course, he is), and can hold a conversation at the same time as he is mentally undressing you (an essential social skill).

Travel ages you mentally as well: I have more life experience than many guys my age. A more mature gentleman has had time to see to the improvement of his mind, to travel generally they are better conversationalists, and better company. And better dancers.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

podborski says on May 29, 2007, 20:27:

you're full of it CA "The guys here get very threatened when one of "their" women dates a Colombian guy, even though they hate "their" women"

on every count, and you know it :) Nice try though. (But if you care to provide even one, teeny little quote supporting your theory, I'd love to see it.)

The more colombian guys that choose to get busy with gringas the more colombianas left for us.

Reality is, most of us gringos here (other than UC, who doesn't count)are usually criticising the guys like medefokinllin and Simon who get all up in arms about gringos dating colombianas, as if they were their property.

But carry on if it makes you happy!

(If you want to find guys that are crazy about gringas, maybe you shouldn't be looking on a site populated by men who pretty much by definition are enamoured with latin women and culture? Just a thought. Maybe a spanish language site devoted to Scotland would be a better choice to feed your needs? And no, I can't dance. It's pathetic, but I seem to get away with it. Alcohol helps a lot.)

bamapits3 says on May 29, 2007, 21:00:

medellinfucka You decide to come out of your cave again and bash me on what I post, please worry about where you are and what you are doing and not me, I didnt say anything to you in that posting, but possibly you took offense to an on going problem in your life with liking little girls, understand some people in this posting are educated and then if anyone has ever read how you slander everyones postings they will be quick to say that your not. The positing is about colombia and if you were smart enough to read the whole post, you would understand that someone else was bringing up Iraq and I was answering his question.....Please dont be ignorant, this is a discusion board, not a dumbfest........ Cheers Mate!!!!

CaritadeAngel says on May 29, 2007, 21:15:

Pod calm down I couldn't care less whether the men here were crazy about gringas or not. I love latin culture too - its just not necessarily sexually toned (other than the fact that I think that (some of) the men are attractive. The only place I've been where I haven't found any of the men attractive is Korea.

So what? I have other fish to fry. Attraction or appeal lies in more than physical appearance, for me anyway. Dunno about the rest of the world. The fact that gringos get nasty when gringas date/marry men from other cultures (including Colombia) is just an observation. Y'all just don't like it when the shoe's on the other foot.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

Robert Jorge says on May 29, 2007, 22:09:

Pinagirl said: "some of us 35-40 year old girls who are with our younger colombiano novios and loving it!! my experience is that a lot of american guys have no idea how to be romantic and how to treat a woman! and let's not talk about dancing salsa haha..guys here in colombia are just plain different and when you find a good one, there is no better."

I will respond by saying, you probably feel the EXACT same way a lot of us gringos feel. Your Colombiano treats you like a woman, because he was raised that way and it isn't politically incorrect in Colombia to be a masculine man or a feminine women. You may be the first women I have read a post from who described a similar point of view that a lot of us guys have ... concerning Latinas / Colombianas.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

poco says on May 29, 2007, 23:48:

I like it, I like it not, I like it, Iike it not, I like it think this girl is young enough to be my daughter

I discussed this with a friend 6 years ago. The consensus was that we both felt bad, but not bad enough to quit.

"Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov

Robert Jorge says on May 30, 2007, 00:27:

More cell phone holders?
More cell phone holders?

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

bamapits3 says on May 30, 2007, 00:33:

sickness More of a sickness then anything else........

kalder says on May 30, 2007, 05:27:

"[Scots]men are cack-handed and tongue-tied with the ladies."

Hmm, you do your countrymen a signal disservice with that canard. Some of the most accomplished 'bird bandits' I've known have come from north of the border.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

podborski says on May 30, 2007, 05:54:

I'm calm (and smiling) CA But you can't get that across in writing, except by using lots of smiley faces and I only allow myself one each post, and I still feel stupid doing that : )

Lots of guys here are fed up with gringas, no doubt, but I've never heard anybody say a defensive word about latin men dating gringas.

But I don't know why I'm bothering with you, since I found out you're a pot bellied bald guy from the northeast who's typing this in your underwear while eating a bag of doritos.

CaritadeAngel says on May 30, 2007, 07:43:

I don't think It's possible for a man to write like me. My femininity diffuses through everything I write. I've heard plenty of nasty comments. Gringas especially come in for a whole load of nasty comments (not only with latin guys - in my country there aren't enough to pose a real "threat" to the home crowd".

Bird-bandits Kalder, they have to be Scots right? I never met one that didn't approach me while sober. I think its actually our own fault (or an accident of history). The English came raiding, they couldn't protect us, so we had to protect ourselves, which at some point made a race of fierce women fiercer, but the men lost their fighting spirit (except when they are drunk).

The result? Centuries later, on a Saturday night in Glasgow its common to see a Scottish woman beat her cowering man over the head with a six-inch stiletto heel.

Still, any Scottish man, in another country, who remains relatively sober can leverage the beautiful lyricism of the Scots accent to get the “burd�.

But the question in Latin America is, WHY do they wear skirts?

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

Miguel_Clavo says on May 30, 2007, 10:11:

i have always wondered that myself......


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Man Tequila says on May 30, 2007, 11:09:

When gringos say they prefer colombianas over chicas from their native country, some folks here have claimed that the gringo must be flawed, and is rejecting their local cultural values as gringos and gringas in a given country have the same values since they had similar upbringing. If this is true, the same might apply to C_A who seems to have plenty of disdain for Scottish guys and a high sense of her own self worth and the innate grace of Scottish women. I do not know C_A, but I agree Scottish women far more graceful than Scottish guys. However, if turnabout is fair play, than it is possible she may also be escaping in Colombia.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

morphus says on May 30, 2007, 13:17:

I like gringas between 18-22 years old. when they start getting older than that, they become more demanding and start breaking balls. I see a lot of teenage gringas at the mall that I would like to meet but they might call the police on me. Its not like Colombia.

morphus says on May 30, 2007, 13:51:

THis girl likes me:

CaritadeAngel says on May 30, 2007, 17:43:

Ah well, Man T, I blame the overdrive machista which is so much part of Scottish culture. Its the machista and the weather which cripples the men, I think. I would love to see a different Scotland, and for the guys to get a wee bit more confidence with the girls (and for the women to treat the lads a bit better too). At the moment a man dare not buy his girl flowers because if he does she asks “What have you done NOW?�. Most of the problems have to do with fear of rejection and almighty suspicion. They do tell me that Santander is similar.

And then there is the other aspect of the Scottish Machista the rampant homophobia. Unfortunately the homophobia expresses itself in a fear of doing anything graceful and tender in public – even with a girl. I have actually heard two teenage guys talking about a couple smooching on a street corner. (It doesn't happen a lot).

Look at HIM! Kissing a BURD! Whitta poof!

[burd = bird = chica] [poof = maricon]

Anything which involves grace and tenderness is gay in Scotland, which makes for interesting dynamics when the very very few Latin guys who make it there: they are simultaneously thought of as “poofs� who “take our burds�. The Latin guys couldn't care less, because Scotland is essentially a country full of romantic girls with rhythm and timid guys without rhythm. Many of the sex-tourists that end up shagging the locals in Spain and Greece (and further afield) are therefore Scottish.

When a Scot does become a bird-bandit, as Kalder puts it (that is, gets over his fear) he can often become a bigger serial seducer. Scots have the gift of the gab, and Scottish guys are really funny (when they aren't so drunk they cannot speak). The ones that succeed are the ones who shower, stay sober, and make the girls laugh.

Our national poet, Robert Burns, was a case on point. He could have put most Colombian perros to shame.

In Scotland Its impossible to be more than 75 miles from the sea, or 5 miles from where he spent the night. He also penned the famous song “green grow the rashes (The sweetest hour that e'er I spent Were spent among the lasses O� referring to the long grass down by the river where you could bring your young lady without fear of discovery.

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

houstongal says on May 30, 2007, 19:24:

I have to agree with Pinagirl As someone in her mid-40's with a novio 15 years younger (I thought he was older, he thought I was younger - a lesson to you men...oriental women hide their age very well), I have to agree with Pinagirl. My Colombiano is far more romantic than **most** men in the US and he's big, strong, and an absolute gentleman to boot. Yup, he knows how to treat a woman like a woman and I probably am more of a woman when I'm around him. Women like Pinagirl and I are perfectly happy with our younger Colombiano just like many of the guys are with their younger Colombianas. Wow, we have something in common!

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

goin_south says on May 30, 2007, 23:19:

whatever floats yer & her boats,... If something interferes with this one, then I'm goin
the way of oldbongo and Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

Voy para del Sur

y, un mil gracias.

CaritadeAngel says on May 31, 2007, 06:29:

LiveFree I'm a real woman, don't worry. Come round to my place, darling, I'll cook for you ... my cooking is to die for. ;-)

You'll excuse me if I skip the chocolate pudding though, I'm trying to cut back.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

gringoloid says on May 31, 2007, 07:30:

Houstongal........ in most cases, a young man is with an older gal because it is easier to "hit" that or the guy needs financial help and supervision. It comes out in the wash when he is in his forties and she is in her sixties.

With age differences these days, a woman is going to be either a nurse or a babysitter.

lockheed says on May 31, 2007, 07:43:

AMEN YOU GOT IT MAN (REALITY)

lockheed says on May 31, 2007, 08:03:

FACTS! I think everything is O.K. as long all the (players) or (players to be) know the rules of the game. The problem is when one side thinks he can beat the odds, miracles do happen from time to time, but very rarely. FACTS
Older man younger woman, Cachos for the man at some point with a younger man.
Older woman younger man, Cachos for the woman at some point with younger woman.
Man that thinks his woman don't mind him having other woman, that means: you can bang as long as you don't bang me and you give me more money and time to spend with my MOSO.
But enjoy life be happy and stay REAL.

miamimike says on May 31, 2007, 11:11:

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

lochdhu says on May 31, 2007, 14:30:

Speaking of kilts, here's a pic of me in Uruguay sporting a kilt.

Most people in South American never seen a kilt, so I when I am bored and want to be an attention whore.

And yes I've have worn them in Colombia, and the reactions on the locals faces are priceless, especially the ladies, and the questions are always the same lol

Sorry folks and ladies, but I had to blur out my face, I just dont want my face out there scaring away kids and dogs.




www.SantaMarta.com

Desideria (Moderator) says on May 31, 2007, 15:09:

There aren't any kids'n dogs reading this forum. I wouldn't let them. That doesn't look like a kilt where's the plaid? It looks like a miniskirt from H&M.

Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe
they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Mr. Hollywood says on May 31, 2007, 15:22:

I think what you all aren't understanding Is that when a hot 20 year old is dating a 80 year old guy, it's a real toss-up whose thoughts are the more "impure". She's thinking about what a great-looking and affluent widow she'll be in a few years and he's thinking about, well, he's thinking about eating some more viagra.

To each his or her own, I say.

Miguel_Clavo says on May 31, 2007, 16:55:

Lochdhu.....does this have anything to do with the questions the Colombian girls ask you??



Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

podborski says on May 31, 2007, 17:00:

watch out lochdhu there are some people on here who are damn good with photoshop, oh wait...

Man Tequila says on May 31, 2007, 17:14:

Why is that miniskirt wearing an egg?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

lochdhu says on May 31, 2007, 17:36:

Ok, you asked for it. here's the real photo, the first one was photoshopped to remove the offending appendage.



Now you know the real reason why we wear kilts.



www.SantaMarta.com

podborski says on May 31, 2007, 17:45:

jaja well done. I have to say I really can't think of a better way to meet massive numbers of colombianas than to wear a kilt around.

Two questions: Have you ever gone home alone? and, Where do I get one (the kilt I mean)?

lochdhu says on May 31, 2007, 18:05:

Well you can google "Kilts" but a real hand made family tartan will set you back $500-800

or, my favorite is the Utilikilt which can be found here

http://www.utilikilts.com/ which will set you back $125-250 each, and can take 2-6 weeks to fill your order.

I recommend the black one, and the camo one, you'll get lots of good feedback and compliments from the ladies and tons of photo ops with the ladies as well.

and if I answered that other question, the morality police might gang up on me,

The leather one is next on my list.


www.SantaMarta.com

Miguel_Clavo says on May 31, 2007, 20:01:

Semper Ubi Sub Ubi......................=)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo =)..aka, DragonSlayer..2-0..Colombia es pasión!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

CaritadeAngel says on Jun 1, 2007, 06:56:

Poor soul A Court martial for wearing underpants...a court martial for not wearing underpants. The men of the Scottish regiments just can't win.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

elchantajista says on Jun 3, 2007, 15:55:

just for the record I'm 40 and my girl friend is 32 8 years diff.I really like a women 30 to 45 for a relationship it's what works for me, 20 year old girls are great looking and and all that but for that day in and day out i need a woman young beauty can get real old real fast good point bam
anda de parranda en Bogota
"Vicente"

anda de parranda en Bogota "Vicente"

lochdhu says on Jun 3, 2007, 17:07:

btw my father just turned 72, and married a woman 18 years younger than him,(non colombian) they have been married for 26 yrs and they have a good marriage with 3 kids, but now, things have taken a turn for the worse, as my father just had a serious stoke 4 days ago.

my last g/f of 7 years was 12 years younger than me, she was mexican. age is just a number, but when you look at the numbers, and old age sets in, someone is gonna be left alone with out there soulmate for a considerable amount of time when the older of the 2 passes on, which saddens me right now.




~God is a sick mother F***er~

CaritadeAngel says on Jun 3, 2007, 17:20:

It is sad, Lochdhu A kind of little fear which eats at everyone in a relationship where there is an age gap. Sometimes love isn't enough, and I am facing exactly that sort of dilemma - marry the man I love knowing he's going to leave me one day for another woman: "Miss Muerte", and love anyway knowing the future holds a river of tears, one day, or walk away and find someone closer my own age?

In the end you could search your whole life and never find your love. Love, real love, is not without its risks and hardships and certain sorrows. You have to weigh it in the balance though. Me: I'll choose love, over fear. In the end all those with courage, I think, do that. But I totally see where you are coming from. For once.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

lochdhu says on Jun 3, 2007, 17:30:

We are the lucky few who have experained love, considering there is 6 1/2 billion people on this planet, there is still many people who have grown old not knowing love and finding a mate, this is not limited to just the poor 3rd world contries, but also in many developed nations as well.
in fact I know quite a few guys and gals who never had a mate. let alone experaince good sex, and I know it depresses them, because the desire to find a mate is instinctive. and its hard to deny ones instincts.



~God is a sick mother F***er~

morphus says on Jun 3, 2007, 17:46:

Love is for weak people!
Love is for weak people!

podborski says on Jun 3, 2007, 17:46:

sorry to hear about your dad lochdhu hope he recovers soon.

houstongal says on Jun 3, 2007, 18:42:

Parents Lochdhu's post reminded me of my parents. My dad is 82 and my mom is 12 years younger. They have been married as long as I have been alive (some 40+ years), but they were an arranged marriage. Growing up I always thought they did not "fit" together. But they've stuck it out all these years and mom is there caring for my aging dad (he's slowing down and much less active). I don't think they are in love in most people's definition, but they've managed to make it work. My mom used to tell us that Dad came to Japan (from Hawaii) to marry her sister, but she didn't want to marry him. So my dad married mom instead.

I am sorry to hear about your dad Lochdhu. I dread the day I get the call telling me that one of my parents are ill. I hope you are able to spend time with your father and treasure the moments together. And may he recover from the strokes and live many more years with his wife.

Culture is language and language is culture - Dr. Annamaria Napolitano

CaritadeAngel says on Jun 3, 2007, 20:20:

No, morphus, only the stupid and evil think that
It requires a spine. Have you got one?

He that knows better how to tame a shrew, Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

elreydelostrolls says on Jun 3, 2007, 20:32:

Geez, Caritade, give it a rest. PBH has been serving the needs of gringo sex tourists for years.

morphus says on Jun 4, 2007, 10:51:

Serving the needs of love tourists too :)

kalder says on Jun 4, 2007, 11:03:

Well, romantic love has been responsible for far more trouble down the ages than good old lust. Look at poor old Romeo and Juliet :)

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

RJQuilla says on Jun 4, 2007, 15:58:

Gotta get em young enough to where they dont have children yet and old enough to have good maturity. I say mid twenties like 25,26 is all good.

morphus says on Jun 4, 2007, 16:19:

A lot of these so called romantic guys are really just holding a sex slave captive in their own countries until they are free to stay legally. Thats why most of the woman leave when they get residency in the new country. I think its worse than sex tourism.

elreydelostrolls says on Jun 4, 2007, 17:03:

That's the truth, Morphus. You see these little trailers in the desert in Arizona or Nevada in the middle of nowhere, miles from a road, and sure as shooting, those old guys have sex slaves held captive there on the order of "Black Snake Moan". Wouldn't mind having a Cristina Ricci sex slave myself.

CaritadeAngel says on Jun 4, 2007, 19:19:

Yeah yeah
You know what, El Rey, (oh darling HOW I've missed you) I wasn't even talking about sex tourism. But now that you mention it; IT SUCKS.

And so do you.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

morphus says on Jun 4, 2007, 19:45:

Carita, how would you like being humped on by a big fat gringo for 3 years?

pedro says on Jun 4, 2007, 20:06:

que nota!

CaritadeAngel says on Jun 5, 2007, 08:20:

Aw Morphus And you started off being SO sweet to me. Tell me, what happened between us?

If I loved him, why yes, I would enjoy it very much. But without love, respect, and regard, even with the fittest, hottest guy (like you, sweet thing) it would be intolerable. Of course.

A brain and a spine. What about the brain? Surely you have at least that.

He that knows better how to tame a shrew,
Now let him speak; 'tis charity to shew."

"I hope I never say anything worth quoting".

gringoloid says on Jun 5, 2007, 09:04:

C/A......I'm more than interested in your version of love that you keep telling us about. I'm going to be in Baranquilla on 6/15, (business, no sex touristing!), and being always interested in new techniques, maybe you could fill me