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adrimm says on Mar 15, 2006, 18:49:

? A little vague don't you think?

1)We have no idea what country you are in, or what citizenship your cousin has, without this info it is impossible to give detailed suggestions regarding documentation. The internet is an international place.

2)"Go to Colombia"? To visit, to live, to study...?

3)People who are not Colombian citizens do not need a Colombian passport to visit Colombia. They need a passport from the country(ies) that they are a citizen of. Depending on the a) the length of stay or nationality of the visitor, a visitor may need a Visa (not a credit card).

4)If you have relatives in Colombia then just go stay with them. Otherwise wait to grow up and go it alone. Finding a stranger on the internet to accompany a minor is not the way to go about sending the minor away.

You sound rather young, and frankly unless you've got some family support (either at home or in Colombia), getting there isn't going to happen for you or your cousin until you are old enough to go it alone.

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Gator says on Mar 15, 2006, 18:57:

Go... to the closet Colombian Consulate for the Colombian Passport.
Consulate in Atlanta,Consulate in Boston,Consulate in Chicago,Consulate in Houston,Consulate in Los Angeles,
Consulate in Miami,Consulate in New York,Consulate in Washington DC. Or apply for a US Passport.
REQUISITOS PARA LA EXPEDICION DE PASAPORTES
El pasaporte es el documento de identificación internacional de los Colombianos. Todo colombiano que viaje al exterior, debe tener su pasaporte válido. Para la expedición del pasaporte ordinario, el solicitante debe presentarse personalmente al Consulado con los siguientes requisitos:

MAYORES DE 18 AÑOS 1. Pasaporte anterior. En caso de pérdida del pasaporte anterior, el interesado deber presentar la denuncia de policía o declaración escrita indicando la situación en que sucedió la perdida. Además, el número del pasaporte antiguo, fecha y lugar de expedición.
2. Cédula de Ciudadanía y dos fotocopias de la misma.
3. Tres (3) fotografías a color, recientes e iguales de 3.5 x 4.5 centímetros (1.5 x 2 pulgadas) con fondo claro.
4. Noventa y ocho (US$98) dólares en "Money Order" o efectivo. NO SE ACEPTAN CHEQUES
5. Formulario de solicitud debidamente diligenciado

MENORES DE 18 AÑOS 1. Pasaporte anterior. En caso de pérdida del pasaporte anterior, el interesado deber presentar la denuncia de policía o declaración escrita indicando la situación en que sucedió la perdida. Además, el número del pasaporte antiguo, fecha y lugar de expedición.
2. Registro Civil de Nacimiento Colombiano (copia autentica del folio) en original y dos copias en el que conste el nombre y nacionalidad de los padres.
3. Tres (3) fotografías a color, recientes e iguales de 3.5x4.5 centímetros (1.5x2 pulgadas) con fondo claro.
4. Autorización escrita de uno de los padres y copia de la cédula de ciudadanía o de quien tenga la patria potestad del menor. Esta autorización puede darse personalmente y firmando el formulario de solicitud o mediante documento escrito debidamente autenticado.
5. Noventa y ocho (US$98) dólares en "Money Order" o efectivo. NO SE ACEPTAN CHEQUES.
6. Formulario de solicitud debidamente diligenciado




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Gator says on Mar 15, 2006, 19:06:

Adrimm Since his parents are Colombian according to Colombian Law they/he will need a Colombian Passport. Other that that you advice is good. I started not to waste my time because I smell trolllllllllllll but since all I had to do is cut and paste I went ahead and answered.

Another problem they will have is if both or either are under 18 the permission of BOTH parents, called Autorización de salida del menor, will be needed to leave the country. Both the USA and Colombia require this document. The Colombian regulations state, "All minors of age 18 or less (Colombians or foreigners), who are traveling out of Colombia, without the company of both parents o one of them, will need to present before the Colombian Immigration authorities (DAS - for its initials in Spanish) the document called "Autorización de salida del menor" (Travel authorization for minors) sworn and subscribed by the absent parent(s) at the time of departure from Colombia."



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adrimm says on Mar 15, 2006, 19:30:

News to Me... News to me, that Colombia can *force* Colombian-passport-requirements on citizens (even minors) of other countries (who happen to have Colombian parents). I have one Colombian parent and I've *never* needed one and have gone there various times as a minor and an adult.

Yes I know it is an option for minors, but why bother at all?

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kernow62 says on Mar 15, 2006, 19:41:

Gator, are you certain of this? My wife has a Colombian passport, but uses her US passport to enter and leave Colombia; both her parents are Colombian. Numerous times and never a problem.

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thur says on Mar 16, 2006, 02:45:

Yes. If you are Colombian and have a Colombian passport you _have_ to enter and leave Colombia as a Colombian:
".. El nacional colombiano que posea doble nacionalidad, en territorio colombiano, deberá someterse a la Constitución Política y a las leyes de Colombia. En consecuencia, su ingreso y permanencia en Colombia, así como su salida, deberán hacerse siempre en calidad de colombiano, y deberá, entoncer, identificarse como tal, en todos sus actos civiles y políticos .."
More information: http://www.colhouston.org/dNacionalidad.htm
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juanalejo says on Mar 16, 2006, 06:18:

kernow62 When were you last here? DAS has gotten really difficult about it over the last year, so for the next time do tell her to bring it with her at avoid the incovenience.

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Gator says on Mar 16, 2006, 07:48:

Do What YOU Think You Need To Do, But... A Colombian who shows double nationality (you don't ask for this it is automatic), will always have to enter and leave the country with a Colombian passport and certificate of Colombian citizenship (cedula) article 22 of the Law 43 of 1993 in congruity with the indicated in This is controlled by Article 106 and 135 of the Decree (Visas) 2107 of 2001) It is not possible to enter with foreign passport, unless the individual formally resigned Colombian nationality either at a Colombian Consulate or with MRE in Bogotá.

"News to me, that Colombia can *force* Colombian-passport-requirements on citizens (even minors) of other countries (who happen to have Colombian parents)."

Yes Colombia can "force" what ever requirements it chooses to enact upon individuals who enter it's borders. Believe it or not it IS a sovereign country and the fact that an individual is/is not a US Citizen make no difference. While entry and exit is dependent upon the particular DAS agent present my wife has always, without exception, been required to show her Colombian passport and cedula when entering and leaving. For those who have not had to do this good luck and remember it can be required. Any one in Colombia cand contact DAS,Departamento Administrativo de Seguridad, Dirección de Extranjería at Calle 100 No. 11 B -27 in Bogotá, telephone: +57 226.8220.

Since the boys ages are not known how do they pass this requirement?

TRAVEL AUTHORIZATION FOR MINORS
(Authorization for minors to travel from and out of Colombia)
Complying with Colombian law and regulations, all minors of age 18 or less (Colombians or foreigners), who are traveling out of Colombia, without the company of both parents one of them, will need to present before the Colombian Immigration authorities (DAS) the document called "Autorización de salida del menor" (Travel authorization for minors) sworn and subscribed by the absent parent(s) at the time of departure from Colombia and no more than 60 days old. I have seen and know people who were not allowed to depart without this piece of paper.


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adrimm says on Mar 16, 2006, 19:23:

"A Colombian who shows double nationality (you don't ask for this it is automatic)."

Just becuase one's parents were born overseas does not bestow insta-dual citizenship. One must be registered, AND go through the paperwork, etc, etc to get a passport in the first place.

I supposedly was registered at my birth, but even so have never recieved any documentation that tells me or my government (Canada) that "Adriana is Colombian". So I have entered and exited Colombia all my life with my one and only Canadian passport. Not one single DAS person has stopped me **even** when they know that I have a Colombian parent.... (and it always comes up) and I was last in Colombia 5 weeks ago.

To anyone (minors included)born and residing elsewhere, holding another passport, who is *not* Colombian, there is simply no point in going through with the process of getting a Colombian passport (barring a moving to Colombia). I can go more places in the world with greater ease (including Colombia), on my Canadian passport, so why on earth would I ever need or get a Colombian one??

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kernow62 says on Mar 16, 2006, 20:03:

Juanalejo it has been over a year.

However I have a question. If she uses her US passport and it shows she was born in NYC how will DAS know she is Colombian? Do they know every Maria Cristina Garcia is Colombian?

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juanalejo says on Mar 16, 2006, 20:10:

kernow I guess at that point they would never know if she does not say, they do get funny when the foreign passport says born in Colombia.

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Gator says on Mar 17, 2006, 12:42:

O.K. More Research.... From our dear friends at DAS, Bogotá.

If the individual is a United States Citizen, native born and not naturalized, there is no problem on traveling on a US Passport BECAUSE THE PASSPORT WILL LIST THE PLACE OF BIRTH AS MIAMI, FLORIDA, OR WHATEVER IS APPROPRIATE. But if the individual was born in Colombia and later became a naturalized US Citizen the US Passport will state, under "Born," Colombia. If that is the case and the traveler does NOT have the formal paper in which he/she renounced Colombian Citizenship, he/she must then enter and depart Colombia utilizing a Colombian passport AND cedula.



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Pete E says on Mar 17, 2006, 13:05:

Passport Does he have a US passport?If he is a US citizen he can get one.That is all he needs to travel.
If he has a Colombian passport he needs a visa to re enter the US.
Millions of Colombians would like a visa to enter the US.Don't get him in that line trying to get back.
Better to just have the US passport.

Pete

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kernow62 says on Mar 17, 2006, 20:03:

Thanks Juanalejo and Gator, makes more sense now.

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Gator says on Mar 18, 2006, 09:45:

Sr. Kernow62 My fault. I went back and read the post and I did not have any idea what the hell I was trying to say. Sorry 'bout that.

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adrimm says on Mar 18, 2006, 10:24:

Um Gator Just to clarify, are we saying the same thing now (see part 3 of my foirst post on this thread) ?

(It's the day after St. Paddy's and I'm still recovering from the celebrationso everything is a little bit confusing this morning).

;)

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