How difficult is it to open a small restaurant/bar in medellin?

gringoloid (Trustee board) says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:45:

I would never do this restaurant thing again...............too many problems and too much work.

Maybe a 'hole in the wall' kind of a place selling slices of pizza.

With variety from seven continents, your vendors are going to bury you with supply problems.

As a cuisine theme in Colombia, you should give these people what they want.

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gorgonabob says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:52:

i would say its a great idea.. everyones starting up hostels/ hotels/ apartment renting business but where these people going to eat... it would be good if someone started up a decent few restaurants or bars offering something different.. you'd clean up if you could import a few indians from Suriname or English Guyana and start up an Indian restaurant ..thered be a dozen people a day going from the hostels at least... all the restaurants around are pretty much the same... im not sure how youd do in Belen though..... anyway have a go im sure it would take. it is pretty pathetic the variety of restaurants in Lleras.

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billyb says on Apr 15, 2008, 06:53:

How hard will it be to find a chef that is competent in so many cusines, or are you planning on having several? Either way it doesn't seem too practical. I would find the one cusine that is most in demand in your area and do it well. Then again, like GL, i wouldn' want to run a rest in Colombia.

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 07:16:

unfortunately most of the restaurants that do rake in money are the type of restaurants we gringos don´t like much: they sell almuerzos. I know of a few places that sell 200 to 400 almuerzos per day at prices ranging from 6 to 8 mil and those places make really good income. With the type of restaurant we gringos dream of, like you state with a large variety of dishes from around the world, it will be very hard to make a gain. GL is right, you will have major problems with your suppliers for example. billyb is also right, rather go for a cuisine that is in high demand. Try to simplify the menu, not complicate it (and your life). Be ready to adjust, I mean if you want to offer curries for example then you will have to change the recipes from what you like to the paisa taste; i.e. not so spicy or even serve them with an arepa :-P
Do you plan to attract locals or foreigners? Businesses based on the idea to serve foreigners usually have a hard time. There are a lot more locals around.
Running a restaurant means a lot of hours, dealing with unreliable personal and in many cases rather small margins.

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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brano says on Apr 15, 2008, 07:57:

yeah, i guess you are right. it might be hard to compete with the locals esp. when its about 4-8.000COP almuerzos. my idea was different though. have a really nice tiny little place(ok 20-30 dishes is way too much) with maybe like 10 dishes. i can make them all by myself, cooking is easy, finding what you need to make it perfect is not.

but then again, i can make my traditional food even here in taiwan although it took me a while to find all the things i need. and i also completely agree with the idea to make it both for foreigners and for the locals. that means if its mexican you can have a choice of flaming hot salsa or extra mild for the colombians.

another thing is that restaurant business is funny. you have plenty of customers one day and next day you are empty. so you cant really rely just on this idea unless you are already set up and you have your clientele.

do you think that paisas are open to trying food from different countries are is it too exotic for them and they would stick to their chicharrones? does anyone know how much would a rent be in stratus 3-4(definitely not lleras) for a small place like this?

thanx!

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Pappassito (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 15, 2008, 08:07:

vicshere says on Apr 15, 2008, 08:07:

I am with grioloid...I had a restaurant for just over a year and will never get into that business in Colombia again.....but everyone has to learn for themselves good luck

listo

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 08:09:

I would say that in general the Colombians are very open to new tastes. Look at the amount of foreign restaurants that has opened in the past years. BUT: It is a very difficult and long process to establish such new tastes. They will all tell you it is great and they love it etc. but it is extremely difficult to make them return. Believe me, unfortunately it is a lot easier to serve what they already know and add your personal details to make it different. I am sure that let´s say selling Peruvian Ceviche would be much easier to establish than selling curries. Real Italian pizza is impossible to sell in the States, but Americans probably eat more Pizza than any other nation.

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usher127 says on Apr 15, 2008, 08:33:

It's an interesting idea... i'm undecided... even sellng decent pizza or pasta would be a first for Medellin or Colombia generally. It can't be because Colombian's don't like decent food.

The point is... it doesnt cost any more to make good food... it's just knowledge... if it was a hole in the wall selling 10 wicked meals for 6,000.... I think it could work... you could tweak the menu.. each month, i.e. drop the least favourite and bring in a new dish.

Then again... i'm hungry right now... maybe I just want it for me...

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Mononoke28 says on Apr 15, 2008, 08:40:

I disagree, Colombians are very basic when it comes to food. They're more like meat and potatoes kind of people, in this case fríjoles and sancocho type of people. It would be very difficult to bring in clientele to try Thai food or Indian. You just have to make it at a very small scale and go in knowing that you will not get a lot of people to try it.

Diana

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bickerss says on Apr 15, 2008, 09:12:

I heard that WOK is making an inroad to Medellin. They have Thai (ish - well as Thai as you can get in Colombia) type food and is very popular. There are a couple of Asian restaurants, one down the bottom of Park Lleras on Ave poblado and another near the park Envigado. There is a Tahi restaurant near to P lleras, about 4 blocks away set in a house - well it calls itself Thai food but is ''Thaico'' Thai in quality.

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 09:17:

I used to like going to WOK, especially the terrace in Zona Rosa. But... not only me but many people I know have ended up with an upset stomach not once but several times. Most food doesn´t actually have much flavor. The sushi all taste the same. Great concept but rather poor quality. But a huge success, no doubt.

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bickerss says on Apr 15, 2008, 09:27:

Never been sick there and go every day when in bogota, but i have a super strong estomago!!!. I like the Thai curry rojp that they have.

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usher127 says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:03:

Obviously, every Colombian likes their typical food on a regular basis.. that will never change...

But, all the women I ever met in Bogota were obsessed with WOK or anything that wasn't 'meat & potatoes'. Indeed, most people under 30 seem really interested in foreign food... unfortunately its mostly crap. Upmarket food does seem better in Bogota than Medellin.. I've never had good food in Lleras.. as for Thaico... clearly that is not Thai. There is a really nice Arabic restaurtant in Laureles that seems very popular.

In short, the big unknown is whether you can sell 'international' food cheaply, to everyday folk... which was maybe Brano's orignal idea.

So WOK is coming... excellent.. what about the Hamburguesaria?

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bickerss says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:09:

Usher - thats a rumour about WOK - hope it is true; as I eat there all the time in Bog!! Will ask them on my way through when i get back next week!!

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lpdiver says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:16:

Hmmm, how about a cajun restaurant? It uses ingredients that can all be found locally and just has a slightly different twist. And a cajun band with fiddles and accordians would fit in with the local music as well.

And me...I can cook coonass believe you me!!!

I would imagine that it is fairly easy to open and a lot of hard work for a little money.

t

"cook some rice!"

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:20:

durito says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:30:

There is a peruvian restaurant in that new little shopping plaza that's attached to the holiday inn on avenida el poblado. It's pretty good, but really expensive.

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:34:

for a good Peruvian place you would need fresh and cheap mariscos. Do you find that in Medellin?

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MitchAlvarez says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:37:

uy a este man le saltan los pollos!! que miedo!

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billyb says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:41:

"uy a este man le saltan los pollos!! que miedo!"

Mitch that's what happens when you put pollos on a hot plate ;)

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usher127 says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:56:

it's a good point about the smell factor.. i've just realised I can't even smell any food in Lleras... if those italian restaurants were real you would smell the garlic... so simple.... or maybe i've lost my sense of smell...

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peteyw says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:57:

I'll tell you what would have a chance....an all-you-can-eat buffet charging about 6.000. Located somewhere with high pedestrian traffic (ie malls, downtown, universities).

Stick to 2 beef dishes, 1 pork dish, 2 chicken dishes, 3 different rice dishes and 2 different potato dishes with a simple salad. The same every day, made the exact same way so that you can teach the cooks (and they turn over alot) the recipes quickly.

Hole-in-the wall, but with lots of seating. Drinks extra. No take out, of course. Churn and burn. Get em in, fill em up, get em out.

Give it an 'international' name like... Las Vegas Casino Buffet (with a Slogan .. "what goes in, stays in" ... just joking...too crass). Have some Vegas decor on the wall, Elvis on the stereo and you're golden.

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usher127 says on Apr 15, 2008, 11:59:

Brazil does the buffet thing well, except you pay based on the weight of your food... adds a little exitement... or horror

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:04:

if whole foods would open up here, they would get all my money...

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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peteyw says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:06:

Whole foods or Trader Joe's and I'm right there with you.

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:15:

In Quito the Chinese have started opening huuuge "all you can eat" restaurants with maybe 200 to 300 seats. They are doing very well. Very modern design, neon etc., about US$ 6 per head, about 2 bucks more on Sundays/Holidays. In Argentina all you can eat lunch places are very common (I believe they refer to them as tenedor abierto). Good idea.

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peteyw says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:23:

Yep, it would work.

I forgot the neon... how can you have a 'Vegas' style buffet without some neon.

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:31:

I bet you them Chinamen will start building those buffets here very very soon. And it will work.
We should all travel to Correa ahem Quito to check out how it´s done. (They even have sushi included in the all you can eat) Then we come back here, have our eyes slitted and get into business!

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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vicshere says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:37:

dreamers....too expensive to sell in Colombia....you guys have no clue here....add all your food costs, services, taxes, payoffs, security, the list is endless and even with the low wage.....the profit margin would be so little its not worth the headache

listo

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RAAAY says on Apr 15, 2008, 12:56:

The two restaurants I enjoyed most. An Italian Rest, not far from Pk Lleras, next to the new Armani store. ( cr 11, I think ). Really great food...and a huge wine selection........ beautiful setting. Very authentic. The best Brick Oven Pizza I have EVER eaten. Owner operator place, with reasonable prices. I ate there , probably 10 times, before he closed because of lack of business.

The other is the Scottish restaurant in Pk Lleras. This guy spent a fortune on the place. Really nice. His international menu, is varied and it is excellent food. You will rarely see anybody eating there. I've dined there about 15 times. It does almost no business with the food, and even the bar trade is only at week-ends.

People here want to eat the same stuff, night in and night out. They are extremly reluctant to change. As for dealing with non locals............waste of time.......there are not enough of them........and the visitors that come here, only want to go to places like Pk Lleras and chase hookers.

Like others here, I have often thought a good Indian place would work. If for no other reason than it would be the only one. The food is pretty much the same main ingredients as the crap they all eat here......meat or chicken. Just prepared differently. Most likely, it would not work either. Why ?........It's Medellin


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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:03:

I agree with Raay. Except for selling Haggis. I am sure the guy is making a killing, there must be a few hundred paisas wearing kilts in his basement and the lassies will be arriving as soon as they hear about the no-knickers-rule.

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robi666 (Trustee board) says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:11:

No, Ray, please, not again the same story about the nice Scottish place in Lleras... it is like an obsession to him.
I heard the same story from him like 10 times... and so did Ken, Pepe, Usher, Cat, Tejas, Brians... and who knows how many else...
If you meet him, he'll find the way to tell you about that...
Que pereza...

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RAAAY says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:12:

Ahhhhhh............go eat some f**kin greasy Eye Talian pasta.............


Anyway....who are Ken and Pepe...??


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robi666 (Trustee board) says on Apr 15, 2008, 13:29:

"Anyway....who are Ken and Pepe...??" LOL

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peteyw says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:05:

Absolutely right RAAAY...the people here like the same food night in and night out...extremely reluctant to change...

That is why I say a all-you-can-eat is the twist to make the restaurant different. Serve the same food, the 'local' dishes; made the way they like em...just let em fill up their plates. 10 items (half of those just potato and rice dishes); cheap, fast, never changes. A hole in the wall with cheap Vegas decor and Elvis on the stereo to give some 'Downtown Vegas ambiance'. But the same 'comida tipica'.

And don't forget the watery soup made of mostly gristle and small corn cobbs.

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Catfish35 says on Apr 15, 2008, 14:25:

I went in the Scottish bar last Wednesday. I felt so bad for those little paisas sitting around in their kilts. I drank alone as usual. and drank alone. and drank alone..
I have done some investigating into the restauarnt biz in Medellin, enought to you that I have not done enough investigating in to the restaurant biz in Medellin I have certainly adopted the opinion of many that have counseled me...Colombians are picky shits when it comes to food.
My friend still tries to force that arepjas chalk down my throat every morning!
I think I am going for an all you can eat Chipped beef and gravy on toast place...for those of you who know this is also "Shit on a Shingle"......
Its somewhat tasteless, its creamy, its got the pan, the crappy carne, I think it would do great in Medellin!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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Peter (Moderator) (Trustee board) (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:06:

tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:06:

there is another good peruana restaurant located in buena mesa. the buena mesa area runs parallel to avenida poblado b4 you get to san diego. going north, you hand a left at the mazda? dealership. pricing is good and it is full most nights. i'll post the name later as a reference.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Peter (Moderator) (Trustee board) (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:08:

tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:10:

yep - 3 for 1. you can hardly get a seat some nights. and the service? well, go see for yourself.

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Catfish35 says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:13:

I cannot even imagine getting them to choke down Dim Sum or any Sum thing at all like that!
I have met Colombianos who appear venture-Sum..however, Curry? Most all I have met complain of stomach problems already, I bet the Medical Internists do well...

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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Catfish35 says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:15:

TJ,
The road that juts up behind that dealership is exactly where that place is I was telling you about in FC list..the places side by side! If you recall.
As for me...I am just bellying up to 6 of the biggest jumbo steamed blue crabs you can get right now!!!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:26:

quit rubbing it in catfish! my view is better!

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Catfish35 says on Apr 15, 2008, 15:29:

Touche' indeed you got me there!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:00:

damn crabeater! i'm having arepa con queso again!

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robi666 (Trustee board) says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:05:

I am still waiting for my free ice cream...

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Catfish35 says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:07:

Robi I got you covered in Ice Cream when I get back I promise.....
What is an Italian covered in Ice Cream anyway???
RaYYYY???

Please don't tease me with Arepas! You know how much I love them!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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robi666 (Trustee board) says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:13:

Somehow, I thought you were back!

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Catfish35 says on Apr 15, 2008, 16:41:

I was, butt left agin, and now ready to return!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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Buongone says on Apr 15, 2008, 19:01:

Check out Hamburquesa de Marquesa! In Bogota. Packed most of the time. Something like that might work in Medellin. Easy menu.

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Lisa Zee says on Apr 15, 2008, 19:13:

Who said Whole Foods and Trader Joes?!...... if those were banks I would have a lot of money, I do 60% Trader Joes and 40% whole foods. When I move to Medellin I will miss those markets for sure!
I would like to open a very small place with....... that they don`t have in Colombia and every one would love...... I`ll tell you when I am ready to open it!

Feliz Navidad!

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jonas says on Apr 15, 2008, 19:54:

Making the best burger in town at a reasonable price, combined with a good choice of quality papas in a nice place should get you a winner pretty much anywhere in the world.

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peteyw says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:42:

Whole Foods and Trader Joes! Those are my spots.

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Lisa Zee says on Apr 15, 2008, 20:43:

Imagine those in Colombia! WOW!!

Feliz Navidad!

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peteyw says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:31:

They'd get all my business for sure.

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durito says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:41:

They'd get mine too.

But, the only people in there would be gringos.

I don't see Colombians paying those prices.

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RAAAY says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:43:

If they would be very well organized, in a good location, good prices, fantastic products.......
Then, they would'nt stand a chance here.

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Lisa Zee says on Apr 15, 2008, 21:44:

I think Carulla is more expensive than say T.Js. Whole food is very expensive, but Trader Joes is okay, better than super markets.

Feliz Navidad!

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lpdiver says on Apr 16, 2008, 01:25:

SHeesh...and I love wandering the small tiendas of Colombia where the produce is fresh and untainted...to each his own I suppose.

t

"cook some rice!"

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brano says on Apr 16, 2008, 05:26:

hey guys!

thanx for the feedback. im sure you know what u r talking about as you've been in colombia for quite some time and im sure most of you have been thinking about some business that would make decent living.

vicshere...so u had a restaurant but didnt do very well? what was the main problem if i can ask?

well, it was just an idea as i missed some variety in medellin the last time i was there. i guess i would have to come up with something different then. thanx anyways!

"I can remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty."

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spigrimace says on Apr 16, 2008, 05:34:

If you havent figured it out yet, a lot of those restaurants where you get a steak dinner for like $8mil are fronts for launduring money for you know what which is why Im surpirsed they havent opened an all-u-can eat place which would be perfect for cleansing purposes. So that competition is hard to compete with if youre trying to make a profit. Another problem that is creeping up is the old saying when the US sneezes, latin america catches a cold. Well business accross the board down here in Medellin are suffering. Everything from no lines at the notaria accross the street to Archies Pizza closing in Molinos mall, to Burger Queen now for sale (small burger chain: one on La Playa the other on la 80 close to the santa gema church/33 - he wants $250 millones for the 2 by the way or $160millones for la playa and $120 for la 80). For Medellin, They stopped handing out liquor licenses and a newer problem that needs to be addressed is that to me, now is the time to stop handing out restaurant/cafeteria licenses because its choking off a lot of businesses (ok Im biased as I have a sports bar and Hamburger restaurant) but the key to survival is one has to be nimble enough to adjust quickly and diversify their businesses enough to keep sales from falling off. Case in point, I affiliated my sports bar with one of the online sportsbooks and so we have the added service of facilitating bets on any sporting event coupled with being able to watch that NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, Rugby, Cricket, soccer match, Horse race, UFC pay per view or whatever sporting event live while you have action has helped. The locals enjoy it and the foreigners like the fact they dont have to worry if their credit card will let them make a deposit into an online sportsbook. The small commision percentage I get from the sportsbook every month is a new revenue stream that makes up for a slump in sales and so it lets me trudge on.

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RAAAY says on Apr 16, 2008, 05:40:

Spir..........Wy don't you conert your place into a Strip Club on the ground floor and have a brothel on the second floor.

Robi could help you with all the aggangments. He knows a lot about these things.


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podborski says on Apr 16, 2008, 06:44:

I just opened a bistro type restaurant/wine bar here in BsAs, and although it is VERY early, I am really doubtful that the business is worthwhile.

And this is despite the fact I've had some quite busy nights, and the space is basically free, as it's the first floor of my little hotel.

I did a lot of numbers before trying this, and didn't like how they looked, but thought I'd give it a shot as it adds a lot to the hotel. Plus, I need to have some cooking capability for the breakfasts we serve.

But I think everyone underestimates just how big a money pit restaurants can be. There's a ton of kitchen equipment, all kinds of staff (cooking and cleaning, 2 shifts a day, 7 days a week = 9 FTE) plus their benefits.

And if you are not busy there is a ton of waste. The cost of supplies is unreal, and then you get to feed the all the staff as well...

There's a reason restaurants are known to be the toughest business around.

I'd say as long as you have another big source of income to fund your restaurant, you should be ok : )

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spigrimace says on Apr 16, 2008, 06:48:

You know, to satisfy client requests, 2 years ago I had some working girls sitting around during NFL season and the gringos didnt want to pay the $75 mil with the private room upstairs included! They didnt understand why it wasnt free or at least included in the price of a 6 mil picher of beer. Yet a lot of these guys will bet $500.000 pesos on a cucuta soccer match. go figure.

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RAAAY says on Apr 16, 2008, 06:50:

Maybe they did'nt like the girls.............try it again........this time, get Robi involved....................he's Italian........he'll know how to get this done


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RAAAY says on Apr 16, 2008, 06:51:

Actually........would your customers prefer Italian women..........big smelly Italian women with hairy arm pits................that could be the answer.


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RAAAY says on Apr 16, 2008, 07:40:

No Morphus...............mongers go out actively seeking women............

.......................I spend my time, having to beat the women away.......


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robi666 (Trustee board) says on Apr 16, 2008, 08:34:

morphus... I am not a monger, I am like a pilot fish... I go after Ray and catch what he cannot eat... 100% of the women (Viagra or not, he just cannot eat)...

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robi666 (Trustee board) says on Apr 16, 2008, 08:37:

Ok, spimi, I will help you... I already asked the numbers of our first three working girls from Mitch in another thread...

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RAAAY says on Apr 16, 2008, 08:58:

Actually...........now I'm convinced it's my body they want.............Young Colombian women have no interest in a gringo's money..........I often take a few ladies to a nice little motel down in Centro, to while away a rainy afternoon...........they have no interest in money........I admit, I always give them taxi fare home. For some strange reason, they all seem to need enough to get a taxi to Bogota...??.....


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robi666 (Trustee board) says on Apr 16, 2008, 09:00:

I am their taxi driver...

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lpdiver says on Apr 16, 2008, 10:18:

They are coming to see me in Bogota.

t

"cook some rice!"

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rhydewithdis (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 16, 2008, 10:34:

robi666 (Trustee board) says on Apr 16, 2008, 16:11:

you're right. i'll stop it.

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tejasmarcos says on Apr 16, 2008, 17:07:

troublemakers!

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RAAAY says on Apr 16, 2008, 19:50:

rhydewithdis..............You make a good point.................but....ahhhhhhh...there is always a " but ".............PBH has evolved into more than just a place to come for information, and information alone............there is a community...........with all sorts of different characters.....

In my, always humble opinion, this origional post is a typical example of so many. A guy asks a question to get serious opinions. There are about 60 serious answers/opinions to his origional question. Then a bit of silly humour. It's one of the things that makes this forum such a nice place....no ?...


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rhydewithdis (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 16, 2008, 20:20:

spigrimace says on Apr 17, 2008, 05:20:

morphus, you ARE colombian! I get offers like that from locals here all the time. Of course being colombian, when the place is new and isnt profitable, youll ask your partner for more cash and when it is profitable, youll tell your partner its breaking even. And when the restaurant finally fizzles out because its not the in thing anymore, youll sell off fixtures and equipment and pocket the cash and then finally sell the whole thing without your partner knowing and run leaving the partner with all the unpaid bills and unpaid taxes. I know a gringo who just opened up a fast food restaurant in the new Premium Plaza partnering with the owner of the brand name. I pleaded him not to partner with a paisa. Guess who put up all the cash? I hope it works out for him but history just may have to repeat itself.

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RAAAY says on Apr 17, 2008, 05:21:

Morphus................Shit.................that sounds like a great deal...........I bet you get a load of takers..........you could open a place over by the Poblado girls high school.............


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