Host of International Emmy Awards insults Colombians!

juancegomez says on Nov 20, 2007, 16:13:

There will always be people making such sick and stupid jokes, not only about Colombia but about many other countries and subjects as well (the U.S itself included, for the record).

It's sad that some people will find it funny, but then that's probably a sign of their own ignorance and lack of taste. Not much we can do about it per se, other than to try to show how wrong they are using other means, not descending to their level.

scotty says on Nov 20, 2007, 17:24:

just another elitist jackass hollywood type

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

skany says on Nov 20, 2007, 17:35:

Pero bien q sabe aspirar la cocaina no?

Always use tasteful words...You may have to eat them!!!

gabolicious says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:08:

The other day watching an argentian tv show, one of the hosts referred to Shakira as: "la única exportación legal de Colombia al mundo: Shakira"

Malparido, hp

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:18:

GIB, I' am all confused too?????????????

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:19:

explain it to me too

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elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:22:

Why aren’t Colombians more outrage about the desperate embarrassing and heartless plight of the poor, mostly injuns and blacks in Colombia?
And why aren’t colombianas giving free chucha to BLACK AND INJUN colombianos, NOW THAT CHIT CONCERNS ME MORE.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

gabolicious says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:24:

Come on GIB

"Be proud of being the number one producer of cacaine and move on!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why in the hell your not setting back and laughing your ass off all the way to the bank is beyond me? Someone please explain it to me cause I don't get it. "

Are you kidding?

We don't laugh for the same reasons you want your country to be respected dude...

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:25:

GRINGOS are called number one consumers of all illegal drugs, do they give a flying crap what people say, hell no!!! They joke about it all the time!!!
if they got the money to party, why the fok not?

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:29:

if not for the mafia italians in america would be known for only making pizza and playing bochi ball. Now they are the most respected and admired immigrants to america

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

gabolicious says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:30:

"They joke about it all the time!!! " pues algunos gringos en PBH no les parece chistoso cuando se dice eso de los gringos o bien cuando se habla mal de su país... por eso...

finalmente no creo que se trate de una "broma" de las mismas dimensiones, cuando un gringo sale de su pais no se le cataloga de inmediato como drogadicto, pero si un colombiano sale de su pais se le cataloga como narcotraficante....

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Colombiche says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:32:

I posted this on another thread, I keep hearing jokes about being a coke dealer or a coke head at work. I keep reminding these arses that they are pretty good at snorting. One of these days they are going to catch me aburrida and I am going to stop having a sense of humour about it, me quieren ver berraquita.. ok. They want to see a pissed off colombian, I'll show them one heeheehe.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:35:

getting back to something very personal and dear to my heart. sometimes i joke about it, but deep down inside it hurts? why aren't this FOKIN FOKIN "colombianas" not giving free chucha to modefoques like me??????
Nevermind this drug dealing image chit, let's face this racist chit first!!

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Colombiche says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:38:

Quiere chucha elmo? Vea pues:

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:38:

soon colombia will be known for women opening their legs to white guys only and they'll be joking about it all over the world. How you like them apples???

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

Colombiche says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:38:

Una chucha bien brava.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:39:

esa chucha no me gusta, jijijjjijij

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:42:

NO me gusta esa chucha, me gusta la que parece una upside down cucaracha

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 05:57:

mira GIB, esa es la unica chucha que me ofrecen. if i put my sussuido inside that thing is gonna bite it right off. eso es lo que quieren jijijij

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 06:02:

Sometimes I get so mad I wanna do a Reverend Al Sharpton in front of the Colombians embassy in Manhattan.
Instead of “NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE‿
My sign will say ‘NO CHUCHA, NO PEACE!‿

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

gabolicious says on Nov 21, 2007, 06:04:

"‘NO CHUCHA, NO PEACE!"

jajajajajajaja hay un dicho... una mano amiga tradición que obliga jajajajajajaja

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Colombiche says on Nov 21, 2007, 07:17:

"if i put my sussuido inside that thing is gonna bite it right off."

Elmo, a chucha regalada no se le mira el colmillo ja ja ja jaaa.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

elmodefoque says on Nov 21, 2007, 07:20:

pero como no voy a ver esos fokin colmillos?? bien grande que son los hp jijiji

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

juancegomez says on Nov 21, 2007, 10:22:

elmodefoque: "Why aren’t Colombians more outrage about the desperate embarrassing and heartless plight of the poor, mostly injuns and blacks in Colombia?"

I don't see the two issues as mutually exclusive, nor do I think those "injuns" and blacks would be happy as hell about hearing such comments either. They're Colombians after all.

GIB: "You are benefiting BIG TIME from the drug trade."

It's almost funny how you only see benefits, both real and imagined, and mentally block out everything else.

For a start, thousands of murdered and millions of displaced people would beg to disagree, but they all can't really line up to talk to you, can they?

"Your FARC problems are social problems not drug problems."

In origin. But before the drug trade, FARC, the paramilitaries and the conflict as a whole were on an entirely different level and considerably less damaging, in spite of those social problems. The drug trade made things far worse than they were.

And, something that is quite obvious by just looking at our many neighbors, guerrillas can either be defeated, negotiated with or left to stagnate without needing to resolve all/most/many social problems first. That would always be preferable, but reality doesn't make it a necessity, regardless of what we may want.

Your simply equating "FARC problems to social problems", while OK as rhetoric, eventually flies in the face of a lot of Latin American history, Colombian and otherwise. FARC's origin may lie in social (and, perhaps more significantly, political) problems, but that doesn't mean their specific existence and activities are inextricably tied to them and to nothing else at all.

"Those problems have been around for decades, long before the drug trade. So get off your high horse!"

Yes, but it's not a coincidence that other problems either increased or actually got out of whack precisely due to the rise of the drug trade and its Prohibition, which also ended up affecting those issues you speak about and others you haven't even mentioned. Tons of people have done actual research on this, it's not a big revelation.

"Be proud of being the number one producer of cacaine and move on!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" Why in the hell your not setting back and laughing your ass off all the way to the bank is beyond me? Someone please explain it to me cause I don't get it".

Because you don't want to, I suppose.

juancegomez says on Nov 21, 2007, 16:03:

"Juan the drug trade is not responible for the dissplaced people in Colombia. Please indicate how you draw that conclusion?"

Displacement wasn't anywhere near current levels before the drug trade showed up, but only after...not a coincidence.

What about the effects of the drug trade (and its meaningless illegality) on the concentration of land? Or on paramilitarism? Add those two up and tell me what that implies. Among other things, it leads to more displacement.

Both of those elements already existed, the concentration of land has been unfair for a considerable length of time and there have been previous examples of paramilitarism and displacement, but the (illegality of the) drug trade introduced a new faction (the cartels and the druglords) and a very profitable source of illegal income to the equation. That wasn't there before.

Nor, for that matter, where there any planes trying to fumigate drug crops, which also leads to displacement.

More land was concentrated in fewer hands and more armed hitmen and private militias showed up. Tell me how that can possibly be a good thing or unrelated to the huge rise in displacement that has followed.

"I would say that it is more funny how so many only see the negatives of the drug trade and don't realize or don't want to realize how much of an impact those billions of dollarshas on Colombia and Colombians as they go about their daily lives."

The thing is, those positives seem almost a caricature if the negative aspects are swept under the table.

Not to mention that, even in economic terms, that income can be harmful. It also didn't prevent the crisis of 1999, which screwed a lot of Colombians and made unemployment rise, to put it lightly.

"Look the drug interdiction is so proud to raise the price of that which they seek to stop making it more profitable for those who engage in it. If you want to blame don't blame the drug trade but rather blame the intradiction of that drug trade. Pablo Escobar had the trade all organized and you didn't have the problems you ahve today. The early years of Escobar not after the Government turned on him. Which is more evidence that sorry my friend....your wrong. ;("

I'm 100% against the drug trade being illegal, for a few reasons, so naturally you won't see me applauding interdiction. But I don't see why the interdiction of something and the something itself can be separated so easily.

And btw, Pablo Escobar and his fellows murdered thousands of people, intimidating, bribing and overall helping to screw up the justice system, which is one of the problems we also have today. Even before the government "turned on him" he was already dealing with authorities using the "plata o plomo" philosophy. Read any biography of the guy, he didn't exactly start using violence late in his career.

So the drug trade should have been legalized earlier on still, not just when Escobar and his fellow mafiosos came into the picture.

As for my being "wrong", I'll leave that to each person's interpretation. I already made my case, you made yours.

juancegomez says on Nov 21, 2007, 16:28:

GiB: The paras grew a lot due to the illegal drug trade, and so did the guerrillas.

You can't artificially pretend that just because they already existed the drug trade has had nothing to do with their subsequent activities and growth, when they drank from it en masse.

Does MAS (MUERTE A SECUESTRADORES) not ring a bell? That was openly and explicitly organized by the cartels due to a guerrilla kidnapping. What about the "gramaje" tax collected by the guerrillas?

What about the fact that Castaño himself admitted to receiving ~70% of AUC's funding from the drug trade? Don't tell me that money didn't come in handy.

Obviously Pablo Escobar bought goodwill from the people of Medellín, that much is obvious, but look at the cost: just as he did that, he and the other druglords also bribed, intimidated and killed authorities, to the point that the arrest rate for homicides in Medellín was below 10% at one point. How is that a good thing?

So if I build housing and give money to the poor, I'm supposed to be allowed to kill, intimidate and bribe those who oppose me? That's not a better alternative. Someone needs to do something for the poor, but that didn't work. Even Chavez would deserve a million more applauses than Escobar.

juancegomez says on Nov 21, 2007, 17:09:

"Look a force such as FARC or the AUC can not exist in a country based on money and funding alone. Look at osamas crew in Iraq. The people turned on them and they are running for cover."

No, but money can make a smaller group become stronger and larger over a certain amount of time, especially when it is unquestionable that both direct and indirect funding for both groups is related to the drug trade.

"If the paras and the FARC did not have the support of the people where they operate then they would not be able to survive. The drug profit/trade is only a biproduct of that security they enjoy not the reason for it."

To a certain extent, but support from a number of people alone does not make you grow so fast so quickly, compared to relatively slow growth during the 1960s-70s.

I mean, you almost don't even need to look beyond this: many AUC leaders are either past or current druglords or their associates. Several even admit to this openly.

Nor does preexisting support for guerrillas and paramilitaries explain the jump in homicides, kidnappings, impunity, displacement, etc. that so coincidentally followed the development of the drug trade and the cartels.

"I think it might be just a little nieve to say that the corruption and what not that existed during Pablo's rain does not exist today and today you will find it if you dare to look in the political structure of Colombia. Pablo had the drug trade organized and their was less crime while he rained freeley. When the police decided to go after him you then saw all hell break lose. I know I was there my friend in the beginning, 1984."

I'm not saying that such corruption and other factors don't exist today. Precisely, that's one of the consequences: old problems were made worse and new problems also appeared.

The political structure of Colombia may be as unfair and egoistical as you want it to be, but that doesn't explain how a lot of things developed. I don't know where you where, but I do know that crime was not declining before 1984. Even if the 1984 assassination of Rodrigo Lara Bonilla made the government take action against the drug cartels, they weren't exactly saints before that moment.

"So we, meaning Colombia and the US took out Pablo and what did we do with the drug trade? Spread it all over the place. Did solve a thing. If the governemnt had just left Pablo to his own vices and even allow him the polital power he earned Colombia would be very different today. In my oinion it would be a better place. But they wanted a war with hima dn a war was what they got."

Again, I don't see Escobar per se as the actual problem either, but I'm sure as hell not going to glamorize him and turn him into a hero who became an innocent victim because someone spit on his coffee. Nor pretend he and his mates didn't have any responsibility for screwing a lot of things up even more.

Letting Pablo Escobar and his comrades to their own vices sounds great on paper, I'll give you that, but how could it have worked if the business was not made legal and if they weren't willing to go fully legal, which means no bribes and no bullets?

If Pablo Escobar had managed to achieve power, I don't believe he would have suddenly become a great moralist and social reformer, an example of peace, virtue and integrity for generations to come.

And well....why do you think the drug trade is illegal, if not because the U.S. pushed for it?

manny0775 says on Nov 21, 2007, 19:51:

Bart is a nobody....Who just wanted to hit the headlines...do not pay attention to that scum bag

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 22, 2007, 08:25:

No only we Colombian get insulted look:

“Mexicanos, los más feos del mundo�
Fuente: http://www.cronica.com.mx/
11/20/2007

El periodista Jorge Lafauci, juez argentino del "Primer Campeonato Internacional de Baile" que se transmite los domingos por Televisa, afirmó ayer en tono despectivo que los mexicanos son "las personas más feas del mundo".

"Son los más feos, los mexicanos, no lo vayas a sacar, pero los únicos lindos están en la tele" , dijo Lafauci en voz baja y con un dejo de desprecio a la cámara del Canal 13 de Argentina, el cual transmitió ayer las imágenes en red nacional.

Las imágenes de Lafauci hablando de manera discriminatoria se transmitieron primero en el programa Este el show, el sábado pasado y fueron repetidas este lunes en el programa Duro de domar, que también transmite Canal 13.

Lafauci es un viejo periodista de espectáculos que se hizo famoso en este país después de muchos años sólo gracias a su participación como jurado en "Bailando por un sueño". En Duro de domar, la panelista Fernanda Iglesias estuvo de acuerdo con los dichos de Lafauci al ratificar entre risas que "tiene razón, los mexicanos son los más feos".


:(((

engage brain before opening mouth

Colombiche says on Nov 22, 2007, 08:44:

I heard that the Italian pop singer Tiziano Ferro said something similar while he was in Mexico. When asked by the media what the thought of mexican women he replied "son feas y bigotonas".

http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=872818

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Nov 22, 2007, 08:49:

That is very stupid right there. How can you insult your fans, the people that are buying your records and helped catapult you to fame?

You ought to be more diplomatic than that and keep stupid comments like that to yourself.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

juancegomez says on Nov 22, 2007, 09:41:

GiB: "the other thing about the drug trade funding FARC and the AUC that I find amusing is that if it were true and those trillions were going to FARC? FARC would not be strolling through the jungle with AK 47's but rather bombing Bogota with MIG 29's. Just think about it a minute"

You're forgetting one thing: there are far more people involved. The Mexican cartels (which, incidentally, are in a very privileged position since they handle a lot of distribution and sale to the U.S.), the Colombian cartels, the local and foreign officials who have been bribed, etc. That doesn't mean that FARC and AUC don't have access to drug money, even if not to the "trillions" moved by the business as a whole (which no single party can claim to have, evidently).

miamimike says on Nov 22, 2007, 12:46:

"So we, meaning Colombia and the US took out Pablo and what did we do with the drug trade? Spread it all over the place, didn't solve a thing. If the government had just left Pablo to his own vices and even allow him the polital power he earned Colombia would be very different today. In my oinion it would be a better place. But they wanted a war with him and a war was what they got."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------GIB--Your Post clearly illustrates why the US Should NOT meddle in the Internal affairs of Soveriegn Nations as they have in South/Central America. Besides Colombia, look at what happened when the USA meddled ino the affairs of Honduras, Chile, Argentina, Nicaragua, Guatemala.It badly tarnished our imageabroad ; I hope they(us politicians) have learned and avoid the same type meddling in Venezuela's internal affairs. They(venezuela) have a Problem, let the Venezuelans rectify their own problem,,,And Keep our US Tax Dollars working at Home in the USA where its appreciated,,,Fund our VA Hospitals is one area where all this money we send to other nations would be greatly appreciated,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

dwmte7 says on Nov 23, 2007, 06:24:

president gaviria brought to light a very important point, when he alluded to the fact that colombia didn't have a drug problem...rather, a drug dealer problem big difference in those two. he also pointed out that la coca was a part of not only colombia's but all latin cultures for about 10,000 years before the round eyes came on the scene.

la problema is not the planta divina, rather the foolish posture of corrupted politicians and goverments to make and keep it's use and possession illega.

one thing that always left me curious is that when the colonists raped south and central america and brought back, corn, tobacco and countless other commodities, why is their no mention of la coca? you know damn well they brought some back to the king and the pope and said, 'wow, check this out'. sooo why ain't it in the histories i've heard.

dwmte