Honduras joins the Chavez Club

tasco66 says on Oct 21, 2008, 09:12:

I guess for the lefties that makes them qualify for a FTA now...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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cpchester says on Oct 21, 2008, 16:29:

The closer they align with Chavez and his socialist axis, the more strained their relations with Washington.

The more strained their relations with Washington, the less aid they will receive.

Good Luck Honduras, you need the USA more than the USA needs you.

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btwells72 says on Oct 21, 2008, 17:08:

Well... read the last part:

US doesn’t object

Given that Honduras's participation in ALBA will be highly restricted, opposition, mainly from local business associations, is likely to recede, while relations with the US are unlikely to suffer serious damage. In fact, the US ambassador, Hugo Llorens, has stated that Honduras's membership of ALBA will not affect US-Honduran bilateral relations—at the end of September the US approved an extension until July 2010 to the Temporary Status Protection (TPS), a temporary immigration status allowing Hondurans who arrived in the US before December 31st 1999 to work there.


Also, keep in Mind that Honduras was also very quick to jump aboard free trade agreements with the US, while it took other C.A. countries like Costa Rica a little longer:

Associated Press
Honduras Ratifies CAFTA
03.03.2005
Honduras on Thursday became the second Latin American country after El Salvador to ratify a free trade agreement with the United States.
"It was a decision that took awhile in Congress, but it brings Honduras into the global economy," congressional vice president Emil Hawit said after the vote.


AND keep in mind that Honduras during the 1980s and early 90s (during the Contra/Sandanista/El Salvador Civil War period) was once sarcastically referred to as the "USS Honduras" because of the amount of US mlitary personnel, bases, weapons and overall influence from Reagan's Washington. In fact, near a major Honduran city, Comayagua, there is Palmerola, the chief U.S. military base in Honduras -- which is still operating as far as I know.

I am not throwing stones here, it's just that one would really have to question whether the U.S. is truly worried about "losing" Honduras, a longtime U.S. ally, to any Hugo Chavez domino effect.

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Dolfi says on Oct 22, 2008, 00:58:

Any responsible latinamerican government has to look for good relations to its neighbours more than to the USA, as US influence in the whole world will be diminishing in the near future. And Colombia under Uribe is quite alone these days.

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greg says on Oct 22, 2008, 05:39:

I don`t see anything wrong with this agreement. Sounds a lot better than some IMF agreement would ever be

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billyb says on Oct 22, 2008, 06:41:

"And Colombia under Uribe is quite alone these days."

Hardly. Colombia has excellent relations with Mexico, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, all of Central America, except for Chavez' mangy lapdog Ortega. The only ones Colombia has problems with are Chavez' lackeys who are bought and paid for, like Correa, The aforementioned Ortega, Evo and Cristina, but with his oil money spigot now ending, they are the ones who will become isolated. Obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Oct 22, 2008, 07:06:

BTW, as a sign of things to come, Chavez earlier this week announced that the oil refinery he promised to build in Nicaragua in 2011, will now not be built until 2018, hmmm hmmm hmmm.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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sanandressi says on Oct 22, 2008, 10:51:

Oil is sixty eight dollars and dropping.....Uncle Hugo can't afford to give it away at this price and lower. They may all show up to the party to find there is no cake! LOL

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tasco66 says on Oct 22, 2008, 11:08:

"Dolfi;

How hypocritical of you, you germans are glowing about the election of Obama, you look to him as the leader of the world, yet he is an American..Obviously though you have a lot of anger and hate for americans, so people like you will hate Obama six months from now, when he has to take action, perhaps he will not sanction Israel, after they hit Iran ( which is coming very soon), you people will get angry, because deep deep down you equate americans with jews also, and we know how your people love jews. you especially showed your love to six million of them"

Or when Obama orders the invasion of Pakistan...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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sanandressi says on Oct 22, 2008, 11:16:

If I lived in Europe I would keep an eye on a loose bear calle Putin.......

We Americans have had this tendency to have to get involved in Europe's affairs over the last 90 years or so.......

Like Barack said "...just give us a call if you need us...."

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sanandressi says on Oct 22, 2008, 11:18:

As an American, I will re-think US Latin relations when there are more direct flights betweenn large Latin cities than there are from the large Latin cities to MIAMI!

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billyb says on Oct 22, 2008, 20:49:

I say when papa bear Putin comes a calling in Europe (and he will), the US, says "hasta la vista baby" and only helps England.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Oct 22, 2008, 21:41:

yes, a lot of brits are foked up, but on the whole they are the only ones worth a damn in western europe. As for our friend dolfi, I see him wearing one of those little breshnev fur hats when the the russinas come marching in, while waiving the the "hammer and sickle" flag he has in his collection flags, never being able to be sure which side he had to take.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Dolfi says on Oct 23, 2008, 01:06:

You are really angry because the american far right will play a very small role in future world politics, aren´t you?

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billyb says on Oct 23, 2008, 06:27:

But a much bigger role than the german far left.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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pobrecito says on Oct 23, 2008, 08:31:

How can the mods let billyb, tasco66 and adioslepido make revolting personal attacks against Dolfi ?
I think that if Dolfi had compared them with Nazis, his comment would have been deleted.
Truly, the rightwing gringos are totally threwn into confusion with the evolution of the world.

No mas Tasco66 !

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pobrecito says on Oct 23, 2008, 08:35:

Dolfi : "You are really angry because the american far right will play a very small role in future world politics, aren´t you?"

Billyb : "But a much bigger role than the german far left."

So, billyb, you admit you are from the far right ?

No mas Tasco66 !

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pobrecito says on Oct 23, 2008, 14:00:

I suppose that a dios le pido is not a newbie but an avatar of someone well known ....

No mas Tasco66 !

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pobrecito says on Oct 23, 2008, 14:28:

Anti-semite yourself.

No mas Tasco66 !

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pobrecito says on Oct 23, 2008, 14:29:

The more I read you, the more I want to vomite.
Who are you? You are not a newbie ...

No mas Tasco66 !

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pobrecito says on Oct 23, 2008, 15:02:

adioslepido = TobyBoy = billyb = tasco66 ?

No mas Tasco66 !

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Desi1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Oct 23, 2008, 15:13:

Dolfi is welcome to flag the offensive comments himself.

But yes, I agree, guys be civil. There's no need for such hyperbole.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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billyb says on Oct 23, 2008, 19:12:

"So, billyb, you admit you are from the far right ?"

Attila the Hun was a leftwing sissy ;) Boy you are just so clever and precious pobre.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Dolfi says on Oct 24, 2008, 04:29:

I don´t care, what do you expect from people who got their education from american TV?

By the way, a dios le pido:

"What are you europeans going to do , when Obama governs from the middle?" That is exactly what we expect him to do. Your present government is not center right, it might be considered pre-fascist.

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Dolfi says on Oct 24, 2008, 04:33:

The local Imam is probaly advising his people who to vote for:

""Al-Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election," said a commentary posted Monday on the extremist Web site al-Hesbah, which is closely linked to the terrorist group. It said the Arizona Republican would continue the "failing march of his predecessor," President Bush.

The Web commentary was one of several posted by Taliban or al-Qaeda-allied groups in recent days that trumpeted the global financial crisis and predicted further decline for the United States and other Western powers. In language that was by turns mocking and ominous, the newest posting credited al-Qaeda with having lured Washington into a trap that had "exhausted its resources and bankrupted its economy." It further suggested that a terrorist strike might swing the election to McCain and guarantee an expansion of U.S. military commitments in the Islamic world.

"It will push the Americans deliberately to vote for McCain so that he takes revenge for them against al-Qaeda," said the posting, attributed to Muhammad Haafid, a longtime contributor to the password-protected site. "Al-Qaeda then will succeed in exhausting America."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008...

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pobrecito says on Oct 24, 2008, 07:56:

and Al Qaeda wants McCain ...

No mas Tasco66 !

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Dolfi says on Oct 27, 2008, 03:02:

Mongo, I cited the Washington Post, is that OK for you?

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pobrecito says on Oct 27, 2008, 04:20:

"I don´t care, what do you expect from people who got their education from american TV?"

And got their news from Fox News, jajaja !

No mas Tasco66 !

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pobrecito says on Oct 27, 2008, 04:22:

And got their moral code from rapist and crook evangelists.

No mas Tasco66 !

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pobrecito says on Oct 27, 2008, 13:55:

I hate the christian fascists.

No mas Tasco66 !

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