holding a sick child as collateral...

miamimike says on May 31, 2008, 08:05:

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BaaBaaBlackSheep says on May 31, 2008, 08:22:

Brilliant!

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jinksmiester says on May 31, 2008, 08:24:

Its certainly common practice in north america that if you take your vehical in for auto repairs
the garage may not release it till the bill is paid...and i can understand that...On a similar note my wife has a friend in colombia.. BQ...with a sick child and the doctors can,t seem to diagnose whats wrong with him.The child is about 9 months old and since birth has often gone into convultions for as long as an hour with his eyes going white and rolling up in his head.Other times he is just a happy little guy.He is in the hospital now and they refuse to release him to his mother till his bill is paid...this is not the first time.Its not a lot of money to get him out of the hospital and i,ll help her out but it seems a little harsh that a baby be held from its mother.All the while they hold him the bill that the mother can,t afford to pay gets higher everyday...what would happen if she never came up with the money?

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Rikito says on May 31, 2008, 09:28:

Simple, call the police and asked them to go to the hospital with you to get the child. Also, and more importantly, get a lawyer. Do not listen to anyone in here becasue it is also very likely that you have not given the entire story of your problem. Get an attorney.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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Atrevido says on May 31, 2008, 17:35:

jinksmiester I don´t think you should be asking for advise on that kind of question here. If you´re into that we don´t want to know about.

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jinksmiester says on Jun 1, 2008, 07:36:

Not really looking for advice...into what?? The only thing im into is helping this poor mother out a little if im able as ive seen the little guy go into convulsions and know how hard it is on her to be racing for a hospital scared to death he will die in her arms.To me this sort of thing where if you have an unpaid hospital and they won,t release your child till its paid seems a little off the wall and i guess im just curious if this is a common practice...??? Im not in colombia right now so perhaps i do not have the whole story.The only thing i am sure of is that the babys medical condition is a tough one as ive witnessed it a few times.I would think that if you had an un paid bill that perhaps you could be turned away but legally i would,nt think your child could be held for an unpaid hospital bill.
I think colombia is a very beautiful country and i have developed a respect and appreciation for it.I also think pbh is is a good forum for information about colombia and there is a lot people can learn.I don,t think it should be a one sided forum though that only looks at positives.Like everything in life you need to take the good with the bad.

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Lowell says on Jun 1, 2008, 07:56:

All of my family has Govt. health insurance. Good coverage and no fee. Why doesn't this woman have this? My wife used it when pregnant, operation for nose, baby visits....

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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vicshere says on Jun 1, 2008, 10:13:

I smell something rotten with the story...you sure its not a new scam...telling a teary eyed story to a gringo in hopes of cash to follow...hummm....the baby has been in and out of the hospital but only this time they are held for payment..

listo

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Atrevido says on Jun 1, 2008, 10:41:

Well jeeze jinksmiester your post was a little vague. Sounded like you were starting a little negociocito de prestamos taking babies as colateral. Ok ask your lady why she doesn´t have Sisben.

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jinksmiester says on Jun 1, 2008, 12:54:

I don,t think ive been to vague...hell ya though ...i hold kids for randsom for all the people who stiff me on bar tabs with my business...ja ja.....not.
I believe the lady had some insurance but has`played it out...its a typical story all to familiar in colombia...deadbeat dad who skipped out when he found out she was pregnant ...no support..and though she works not much income.Its possible she is hoping for a few bucks to come her way but ive never known her to lie and she has never asked for anything...(did,nt ask for anything here either). I heard about it from my wife and her family.As i said the only thing im completly sure of is the baby is sick as ive witnessed a few times the panic,tears and fear his mom goes through when he,s floping around and shaking with his eyes going white.I sure wish they knew what was wrong because no one should have to go through that and the baby has been that way since birth.It would be tough being a single mother in colombia and im sure a lot tougher with a sick child in and out of the hospital all the time.
This ladys earnings are mabee the 4 to 5 hundrend thou col per month..gotta be a hard go supporting herself and a sick child.I don,t know what type of insurance she may have or what it may cover.

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Atrevido says on Jun 1, 2008, 20:05:

"La Constitución Política de 1991 dentro del ámbito de Estado Social de Derecho establece la necesidad de focalizar o dirigir el gasto social a la población más pobre y vulnerable por parte del gobierno nacional y de los gobiernos departamentales y locales. Para cumplir con este mandato, los responsables de la administración pública deben contar con mecanismos técnicos y objetivos que garanticen una total transparencia en la identificación de las necesidades reales y en la selección de los potenciales beneficiarios para los programas sociales.

El Sisbén es el Sistema de Identificación de Potenciales beneficiarios de Programas Sociales. Esta es una herramienta de identificación, que organiza a los individuos de acuerdo con su estándar de vida y permite la selección técnica, objetiva, uniforme y equitativa de beneficiarios de los programas sociales que maneja el Estado, de acuerdo con su condición socioeconómica particular.


Si una persona ha sido identificada como potencial beneficiario de los programas sociales, es decir que el nivel está entre 1 y 3, podrá acceder a los subsidios que otorga el Estado a través de los diferentes programas y de acuerdo con la reglamentación de cada uno de ellos.

La selección y asignación de subsidios, la hacen las entidades ejecutoras de programas sociales del Estado a partir de la información de la base consolidada y certificada por el DNP y los otros instrumentos de focalización que utilice el respectivo programa."

SISBEN

If she lives in estrato 1-3 she is covered by this. Alternatively she could sign on to a marriage agency and hook up with an American who will pick up the tab for her flopping, white eyed child.

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jinksmiester says on Jun 1, 2008, 21:42:

Mabee with a little luck she will come across a good doctor who can find out what wrong with the child then perhaps they could treat him.As of yet no one has acomplished that and its unlikley he will improve until they do.

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slguy says on Jun 1, 2008, 21:47:

I'm unclear on this "refuse to release him" stuff. What exactly is stopping her from picking up her child and exiting the hospital?

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jinksmiester says on Jun 2, 2008, 13:51:

Good point slguy...they( supposedly) told her the baby is staying in the hospital till her bill is paid. I don,t know if they would physically stop her if she tryed to take him.

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