hips don't lie?

Simon says on May 3, 2006, 13:17:

Dude, that video is awesome!! The colors, the way she dances, the colombian folklore.I really don't care about the lyrics, this is not poetry, I just like the music. Everyone I know loves it too.

What's wrong with YOU?

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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bickerss says on May 3, 2006, 15:45:

I LOVE the video!!"

Investment Strategy - buying when others are crying!! Offloading when others are gloating!!!

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toneloc24 says on May 3, 2006, 16:45:

The lyrics? You gotta be kidding me.

Shakira is dancing her ass off, being all the eye-candy that any straight man with functioning eyes could wish for, and you're talking about the lyrics? She could be singing the alphabet for all I care. She could hum the lyrics. LOL!!!

It's a dance song, they rarely make sense. If you can't dance, you might not get it. If you watch any Latina go crazy on the dance floor when this song gets played the 1st time, you'll understand all you need to. Hips don't lie!

"PBH is dead!!!!"

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utopiacowboy says on May 3, 2006, 18:53:

You're right, toneloc. These posters are like guys getting a lap dance wondering about the song lyrics. We're talking about Shakira for God's sakes. It's all about humpedy hump hump and no more.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Miguel says on May 3, 2006, 23:03:

Jejeje And they read PLAYBOY for the articles.

Anyone who has been to El Carnaval in Barranquilla or has seen cumbia dancers certainly will like the video.

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rapi2000 says on May 4, 2006, 00:05:

Hips don't lie if you're from BAQ. The video is wonderful! I don't care much about the lyrics (I won't teach that in class)The music is awsome, the dance is spectacular. Go to Carnaval de Barranquilla one day and then watch the video, you will jump out of your couch and start dancing, believe me.
Shakira, you're simply the best.

rapi2000@yahoo.com

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 4, 2006, 00:33:

Shakira's songs never made sense, i just listen to the rhythm, some of her dancing can be quite embarrasing or may I said funny jejej. shaking that boobies up and down and side to side. it's hilarious.

Well now they will expect everybody from Colombia especially Barranquilla to Dance like that. :0 .

BTW I have read many post here, stating that they don't want Colombia to become a tourist destination, where Foreigners just come for the women. Well this song and video won't help at all.

I just see in the near future Barranquilla being invade, soory Elmo including strato 1 jijij

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lost says on May 4, 2006, 05:11:

so now im homosexual? maybe im just not as desperate as some other poster's here. :P

what really gets my goat is, what the hell has wycliff got to do with colombia, and for that matter, the conga?

the video is lame! come on people, the only relevence to colombia, or barranquilla for that matter are some costumes.
a few costumes are not even barranquillero, they're like mexican or something.
whats with the set, i never went to carnival in some alleyway, with all clothes hanging up.
my question is, has shakira even been to carnival?

the hips lie!

maybe she should work as an aguila girl, to get a proper feel of carnival.

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elmodefoque says on May 4, 2006, 05:55:

of course she'e been to a carnaval, no barranquillera in her right mind would miss the greatest event known to man kind. sofia vergara goes to the carnaval, carlos vives, another great costeño is always there and i'm there every single year, many know me as the greatest, true, butifarra selling, huevo de iguana and caribañola eating, aguila drinking, barranquillero of all time.
You have seen nothing, you have not lived until you see barranquilleras dance una cumbia,

I'll get there, when I get there!

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shirly1981 says on May 4, 2006, 05:58:

For those who havent seen the video... this is the best of the best!!!!! Viva Colombia y todas su Costeñas!!!

http://www.planetatv.com/Shakira_featuring_Wyclef_Jean_Hips_Dont_Lie_/9C565412-7AA9-4583-B661-B7E6145893D2.htm

Sophia

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elmodefoque says on May 4, 2006, 06:01:

with out barranquilla with out cumbia colombia might as well be just like the rest of south american countries, BORING!
we'll be listening to latin rock or rock latino, only.
how yuo like to hear "soda en estero" 24/7 like the aregentinians

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on May 4, 2006, 06:05:

mejor dicho, barranquilla is the SOUL OF COLOMBIA! and diomedes diaz is the james brown, number one soul man
NOJODAAAAA!!!!

I'll get there, when I get there!

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elmodefoque says on May 4, 2006, 06:11:

hell, i'm buying a ticket to barranquilla , hoy mismo!!!!
colombiche, care to join me?

I'll get there, when I get there!

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platano says on May 4, 2006, 06:15:

Colombia has also produced... music called "Colombian salsa" and many Colombians dance to it. Colombian salsa even makes its way into the soundtrack of Colombian movies.

plátano

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Miguel says on May 4, 2006, 06:29:

lost wrote: "i never went to carnival in some alleyway, with all clothes hanging up."

In Barranquilla it's hard not to find some sort of Carnaval related activity ANYWHERE during the celebration. Elmodofoque and yours truly had some great carnaval moments in this little tienda about the size of a living room in a strata 2 house.

And we have the DVD to prove it!

¡Mondasssssss¡

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elmodefoque says on May 4, 2006, 07:04:

I don’t mind sending DVD’s around but first I gotta erase the part where I’m running back to the hotel after I crap my pants outside olimpica supermarket.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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sweetcalena says on May 4, 2006, 07:25:

lol hehehe ;-)

“Sit down to write what you have thought, and not to think about what you shall write.”William Cobbett

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toneloc24 says on May 4, 2006, 07:38:

Elmo Burn me a copy of the unedited version. That should keep me laughing for a long time. I'll be up in NYC for mom's day wkd. I've give you a call.

Btw, Wyclef is Haitian, as stated in the song. The dude is now fluent in like 5 languages, having taught himself English, amongst others, when they "moved" up to New Jersey. He's legal now.

About this song, if you didn't know, this is a remixed version of the original which featured Claudette Ortiz of a group called City High. DGoogle it, if you wish. Wyclef and Shakira re-did the words and the music. Therefore, some of the lyrics are forced. However, who really cares? It's a hot song and video.

And, yes, Haiti and Colombia are both 3rd world nations. Haiti, much worse off than Colombia, but both suffer. Here's the 2006 Failed States Index. If not for the lack of "Sharp and/or Severe Economic Decline" in Colombia, the failure rate would be closer.

http://www.fundforpeace.org/programs/fsi/fsindex2006.php?column=rank&#

Now again, who cares about the lyrics? Barranquilla's on the map, baby!!!! And Shakira is shaking all that her mama gave her.

The increase in interest in belly dancing classes by females can predominantly be attributed to her. Just the same as butt implants can be attributed to Jennifer Lopez in her videos. Anyone remember any of Jlo's lyrics? Again, who really cares?

"PBH is dead!!!!"

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sweetcalena says on May 4, 2006, 08:02:

I love that video!!! Who cares about the lyrics, I really like how Shakira moves, she knows how to do her thing.
;)

“Sit down to write what you have thought, and not to think about what you shall write.”William Cobbett

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elmodefoque says on May 4, 2006, 08:17:

Now I laugh about my unfortunate accident, but it sure wasn’t funny then. My nephew refused to let me sit in his taxi, fearing I would leave a big stink, had other passengers to pick up later that evening. I had no choice but to run 4 blocks to the hotel as he followed me taping the entire event.
Hey, you can’t call yourself a real barraquillero until you’ve taken a unscheduled dump in your pants, between all the crap we eat and cerveza aguila, something bad is bound to happen.

Hey tone, I’ll be waiting for your call, too bad you never got to meet my cachaca wife, she done dumped my old ass.

Sweecalena, damn I love to wake up between you two.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 4, 2006, 08:20:

You want to wake up between SweetCalena and Tone? Hahaha



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Hey tone, I’ll be waiting for your call, too bad you never got to meet my cachaca wife, she done dumped my old ass.



Sweecalena, damn I love to wake up between you two.

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elmodefoque says on May 4, 2006, 08:30:

nooooooo, i'm talking about waking up between the girls sweetcalena posted. they could tie me down and beat me with their high heels if they so desire, they could even ..... i better stop

I'll get there, when I get there!

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platano says on May 4, 2006, 08:39:

ASS STUDY WOMEN'S ASS SIZE STUDY

There is a new scientific study out about women and how they feel about their asses.

I thought the results were pretty interesting:

85% of women think their ass is too fat ...

10% of women think their ass is too skinny ...

The other 5% say that they don't care, they love him, he's a good man, and they would have married him anyway.

plátano

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Miguel says on May 4, 2006, 09:41:

That DVD Chronicled two weeks during Carnaval season; if edited for content, it would probably run for two minutes, max.

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olafgypsy says on May 4, 2006, 23:24:

Video is fun although I could probably say a lot about the fetishization and objectification of the female body, but that's not Shakira, that's just mass media. One dumb question, though: can that jerky robot thing she does at the beginning also be seen at carnival?

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Albatross says on May 5, 2006, 04:25:

I don't know why she even bothers... Shakira could save alot of effort if she just gave up pretending to be a singer / musician and just took it all off. That's pretty much all she has to offer at this point anyway. (Which, in her case, is enough)

Tinto, your're comparing the world's greatest (arguably) rock band with some ass-shakin' wannabe ?

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Lucia Rojas says on May 5, 2006, 19:42:

I love the cumbia part.... It is my favorite part of the song. You know me, anything with the cumbia and the long polleras and I am game!!!!!

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Lucia Rojas says on May 5, 2006, 19:45:

i think he's from Haiti... I don't know, but they mention Haiti too, at the end of the song... and something about the CIA...

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Lucia Rojas says on May 5, 2006, 19:46:

sorry hadn't read toneloc's comment.

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Colombiche says on May 6, 2006, 11:19:

Did anybody notice????? Did anyone notice the part when she says:

"Oh boy, I can see your body moving....."


The wall behind is painted about 3 quarters yellow, 1 quarter blue, and the part of the floor that shows in the picture is red... the background is basically a big colombian flag. (or a least that is how it appeared on my computer monitor)... check it out guys...


Bravo por ella!

What a kickass video!!!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kernow62 says on May 6, 2006, 12:37:

Background? I didn't see any background!

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Colombiche says on May 6, 2006, 15:26:

The good life? For me, growing up in Colombia WAS A VERY GOOD LIFE full of nothing but wonderful memories that I will always cherish.

You guys make it sound like there is absolutely no good life anywhere except in your little neighborhood, yet you flock down south anytime you get. Even Sr Morphus himself claims that his eyes get greener and his hair gets shinier when he is in Colombia, it sounds like "the good life" can happen in my little corner of South America as well. So much that we have Travolta lookalikes developing an ethereal glow :).........

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on May 6, 2006, 17:17:

Wasn't that true anyway?? Isn't the CIA watching Colombians?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on May 6, 2006, 18:46:

Watching Colombians? That's a joke. They're not even opening our bags at US customs. I could have had enough drugs in those ten bags to retire.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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toneloc24 says on May 6, 2006, 20:56:

Don't know about the CIA... ...but US Immigration and Customs Enforcement have targeted me for a 2nd thorough screening in my last 4 trips back from Colombia. I have no criminal record of any sort, no drugs or anything, nor any reason for my name to come up in any random selection.

The 1st 2 times, I chalked up to just being random. The 3rd time, I asked for a supervisor to explain exactly what is in my profile. Of course, they are say there is nothing on my passport number/profile, and that is just random. Nor would they show me my profile. The 4th time it happened, I let them do their thing. I have also contacted a lawyer.

I'm not Colombian. I was born and raised in the USA. I'm living the dream of being able to work honestly and earn enough to travel abroad to foreign countries for fun frequently. One of the possible reasons offered to me by US ICE for my 2nd screenings might be because of the country that I visited. Definite profiling.

To the GringoDs, and UCs, paranoid, I'm not. This is real. I can only imagine what a Colombian in the same position as me would be subjected to.

"PBH is dead!!!!"

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farfallah says on May 7, 2006, 07:05:

I also had a problem with Immigration I was singled out, a couple of years ago, returning from a visit to Colombia for an interview and a baggage search with Immigration. I filed a request under the Freedom of Information Act for the reason for which I was detained. About nine months later, I received in the mail copies of computer print outs showing every foreign trip that I had made for the prior five, or so, years. The computer print-out pertaining to the trip during which I was detained had a section to indicate the reason for which I was detained. But, the government inked out the section so that I could not read the text. The government stated its rationale for not letting me see that section was that I would know the reason for which I was detained. So, after nine months of waiting, the government's reply to my FOI request was to deny my request, but in a manner that superficially seemed as though they complied with my request. I hadn't had any other problem with Immigration during the intervening nine months, so I let the matter drop.

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Cockney Colombian says on May 7, 2006, 10:44:

Lost in Translation I find it interesting that you criticise Shakira for the lyrics by highlighting a part that's clearly got Wyclefs paws all over it.

I actually like the bizareness of the lyrics in many of her songs.

"I love you for free but I'm not your mother" - I can't make up my mind if that's profound or banal, either way there's a touch of lunacy there.

"If I say my heart is sore sounds like a cheap metaphor." - That's more than just simple rhyming, it's knowingly mocking the angsty drama of heartbreak ballads (Not that she's not guilty of knocking them out herself as well).

"Lucky that my breasts are small and humble so you don't confuse them with mountains" - Whats more amazing about the line is that she plays it straight, it's not self deprecating, it's championed.

The song Hips Don't Lie is pretty clear that's its about having your cake and eating it and a deep and meaningful dissection of the lyrics is ultimately rather pointless.

But one thing I will agree with, the song is crap. Far from her best work.

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Cockney Colombian says on May 12, 2006, 01:16:

Well I'm not fluent in Spanish so just in terms of lyrics I am gonna be biased towards her English sung albums. That said I've not listened to the latest album, other than heard the track Hips Don't Lie, but it hasn't had very favourable reviews. The video is bizare and silly in a good way but the song itself is rubbish.

As a coherent piece, I like the live album from the Tour of the Mongoose. I like Underneath Your Clothes but there's a dose of The Bangles there so it can't be called pure Shakira.

My favourite in Spanish are Ciega Sordomunda and Ojos Asi and in English Objection (Tango) and Poems to a Horse. It's my understanding that the lyrics to the Spanish version of Tango are completly different, whilst the English sung version of Ojos Asi doesn't have the same dizzying impact, it's still good but there feels like there's something missing.

Whenever, Wherever (Or Suerte if you prefer) is the only one that really crossesover and both Spanish and English versions are good, certainly the line "Suerte que mis pechos sean pequenos y no los confundas con montanas" remains!

Opinions anybody else?

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scottiec says on May 12, 2006, 12:38:

its the same as.... This video is the same as in the movie Zorro,with Katherine Zeta Jones,so beautiful and when Antonio Banderas cut her dress and it fell,its one of those moments where men nudge each other with their elbows (with one of those smiley face ,toothy grins) and say " Look AT THAT " !!!!!! OH and the words.......what words?

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corazon en colombia says on May 23, 2006, 17:16:

How could you laugh? I really thought the video was good, who cares about the lyrics. I agree the colors were fabulous! You have to admit, no one can move like Shakira!!!! Plus, she's one of the few artists that when interviewed actually has something to say.

Colombia = paradiso

Colombia = paradiso

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Cockney Colombian says on May 26, 2006, 04:30:

I caught a song by Shakira on the radio (didn't catch the title) and it had the lyrics:

"You said you would love me until you die
As far as I know you're still alive"

Tell me there's not a touch of mad genuis to the girl.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on May 26, 2006, 04:36:

what about For you, I'd give up all I own,
And move to a communist country,
If you came with me, of course
And I'd file my nails, so they don't hurt you
And lose those pounds, and learn about football
If it made you stay, but you won't, but you won't


oh dear :(

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Cockney Colombian says on May 26, 2006, 04:44:

Excellent counter point.

Though I don't think anyone would have nominated Shakira as feminist icon.

I've not heard this album but googling the lyrics, it does seem to be a lot more 'submissive' than the previous Laundry Service.

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Cockney Colombian says on May 27, 2006, 17:29:

"appear". Why the quote marks?

The original poster specifically aimed criticism at Shakira for her lyrics (And unfair criticism I feel as the highlighted passage was clearly Wyclef) and I responded as such, and branched off further into a discussion of her lyrics in general.

There seems to be an opinon that either she is an empty headed bimbo fit only for jiggling round the stage or as I tend to think an artist with talent and an offbeat poetry to her lyrics. And whilst I'm not immune to the jiggling my interest in Shakira is primarily the power of the music and the lyrics.

I never claimed a song needs to be "intellectually" rationalised, certainly a song like Hips Don't Lie can be boiled to a very simple "Sex is great int it?".

Whilst I don't agree with the original posters points and criticisms, I still think the song is crap, a poor example of Shakira's work, and the tune is pretty grating as well. I'm content to blame Wyclef though, rather than her.

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Cockney Colombian says on May 28, 2006, 02:09:

I think the song is crap not the video. The video does actually raise a smile from me (Like I said I'm not immune to the Shakira jiggle), and the painted red, blue, yellow background was a nice touch.

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Cockney Colombian says on May 28, 2006, 02:30:

Oh Frappr! Not the most flattering photo of me. It was the only one I had on my work computer.

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jaybird62 says on Jun 15, 2006, 15:16:

lyrical critique As I remember one parody television show "quoting" Shakira's first hit- "Whatever, Whenever, I could sing about pancake batter I just shake my derriere and I know that you won't care"

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Cockney Colombian says on Jun 17, 2006, 02:18:

Which judging from the majority of the response in this thread is absolutely true.

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Cockney Colombian says on Jun 17, 2006, 04:32:

What a surprise, I make a post and there's Diego snapping at my heels.

I did not assert that the song was crap, it would be impossible for me to claim as fact something so subjective.

I expressed my personal opinion that the song is crap. I thought it then, I think it now and likely, as I'm not somebody with a backbone made of wet cardboard, I'll think it in the future.

If "MOST OF THE REST OF THE WORLD" [sic] enjoy the song, then I say good for them, I neither bregrudge them their entertainment nor seek to change their opinions so they more closely resemble my own.

I'm sure Shakira is pleased with her success and as a fan of her work, I'm pleased for her too.

Good day to you hombre.

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