Hate Crimes in Colombia

Simon says on Apr 29, 2008, 00:04:

Qué linda nota traes sobre tu país...felicidades!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

romy says on Apr 29, 2008, 00:05:

Yes, I know it happens 'everywhere'. But it has been of great concern lately with the Colombian national team coach proclaiming that homosexuals have no place on the football pitch.

Note: About a week ago legislation was passed in Colombia approving inheritance by a gay partner.

Colombia's patriarchal society is bound to rattle a few cages per say. I don't think I've ever witnessed a hate crime though.

romy says on Apr 29, 2008, 00:14:

Simon, if you are not able to take the good, the bad, and the ugly from Colombia then you better put me on ignore. There are many things that people need to be aware of, I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Mononoke28 says on Apr 29, 2008, 08:22:

I listened yesterday to a radio interview with the principal of the Leonardo DaVinci school and one of the lesbian students and it was a joke. The principal kept saying that the students were sanctioned by the school because of their "undiscipline" and that it had nothing to do with the fact that they were lesbians. Then the girl came back with all kinds of accusations the principal had made to them and to the press before it went public. The principal didn't have much to say after that. Good thing they have a lawyer but the sad part is that they're now at risk of being in danger if they go back to the school. Colombians are very stubborn when it comes to accepting homosexuality, especially in cities like Manizales. It's really sad.

Diana

Cerealkiller says on Apr 29, 2008, 08:42:

Hate crimes in Colombia are not all that uncommon. The Centro Comunitario for LGBT population in Chapinero has been vandalized so many times its not even funny. They have been to the nearest police station (which is by the way VERY near) and the cops have refused to offer them protection and all they do is ridicule the people who work there. I went to a Hate Crimes presentation at Universidad de Los Andes back when I was studying there, and this lawyer had the exact numbers of hate crimes in Bogota only, I cannot recall the figure but it was something ridiculous.
I love reading Velandia's blog every now and then, I think dealing with these issues openly is the first step towards more tolerance. I do believe homosexuality is still perceived as a deviant tendency by an overwhelming number of Colombians, its very sad (some of the comments people leave in Velandia's blog are truly retarded).

Some more cases:


1. El día 24 de febrero de 2006 se informó por parte del servicio informativo de Caracol Noticias los hechos ocurridos en la ciudad de Barranquilla, en el Batallón Vergara y Velasco contra el soldado Rommel Borja quien sufrió abusos físicos y sexuales, pues según sus compañeros era homosexual.

2. El día 24 de Mayo de 2006, el Diario la Tarde de Pereira, en su página 8 B de la sección judicial, en un artículo titulado: “Denuncian ataques de presuntos paras a la comunidad gay�? informó acciones de intimidación y violencia contra personas gays en la ciudad de Pereira al parecer por miembros de las Autodefensa Unidas de Colombia.

*needless to mention, but I'm sure most of us know what happened to those who were thought to be gay in paramilitary controlled areas*

3.En la noche del 22 de abril de 2006 el señor Félix Rodríguez, hombre gay y dueño de un tradicional establecimiento de comercio para personas LGBT en Bogotá, fue asesinado por una persona desconocida en su apartamento en la localidad de Chapinero de Bogotá. Según versiones de personas allegadas a la víctima el cuerpo fue encontrado desnudo, y la causa de la muerte al parecer fue estrangulamiento. También se causó un trauma craneoencefálico severo al parecer con un objeto contundente.

Colombia Diversa considera que la extrema violencia del crimen, entre otros factores, puede ser indicio de que se trata de un crimen motivado por el odio, el prejuicio o la discriminación contra personas LGBT. Por esta razón, expresamos nuestra preocupación al Presidente de la República, al Procurador General de la Nación, al Defensor del Pueblo y al Alcalde Mayor de Bogotá, y solicitamos a la Fiscalía General de la Nación la realización de una investigación para que este crimen no quede en la impunidad y para determinar si este tipo de crímenes ha sido motivados por la orientación sexual de las víctimas.

http://www.colombiadiversa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogc...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

Mononoke28 says on Apr 29, 2008, 08:45:

Que triste, eso verdaderamente me pone triste. Pero a la vez no entiendo cómo es que Colombia se enorgullese de llamarse un país Católico/Cristiano y hay tanto odio en las calles.

Diana

Cerealkiller says on Apr 29, 2008, 08:52:

On the bright side, Chapinero's mayor is an openly gay woman:


Blanca Inés Durán Hernández.
Una ciudad hace cada vez más posible la convivencia solidaria y democrática, en cuanto más reconozca a la diversidad de sus habitantes y estos estén representados en sus cargos públicos. Bogotá, desde el periodo anterior (Luís Eduardo Garzón) se ha distinguido por la construcción de una democracia realmente participativa y solidaria.

Bogotá una ciudad con 7 millones habitantes, está dividida en 17 localidades, para cada una de ellas el Alcalde mayor de la ciudad (actualmente, Samuel Moreno Rojas) elige a un alcalde local. Chapinero es una de esas 17 localidades y una amplia zona comercial, de vivienda y sede de varias universidades; es la zona con la mayor cantidad de lugares comerciales que ofertan servicios a la población LGBTIQ, por metro cuadrado en América Latina; también es el territorio que tiene la mayor concentración de habitantes de esta población en toda Colombia. En esta localidad de la ciudad igualmente funciona el Centro Comunitario LGBT, el primero en su naturaleza en Bogotá y Colombia.

Quien ha sido elegida como la nueva Alcaldesa Local de Chapinero, es Blanca Inés Durán Hernández, una mujer de 36 años de edad, Ingeniería Industrial de la Universidad de los Andes, de la que también ha sido docente, y diplomada en `Gerencia para resultados en el Desarrollo` del Instituto Interamericano para el Desarrollo Social.

Una mujer públicamente lesbiana, con una amplísima trayectoria en el trabajo con la comunidad, las ONG y los temas de derechos humanos. Se desempeñó hasta enero de 2008 como oficial de proyectos de Project Counselling Service, un consorcio de ONG internacionales (Consejo Danés para los Refugiados, HEKS e Inter Pares).

Como activista es reconocida por su membresía en diversas organizaciones sociales y ambientalistas y por ser la fundadora del grupo Polo de Rosa (sector de transgeneristas, bisexuales, lesbianas y gays) del partido de izquierda Polo Democrático Alternativo.

De este grupo político son igualmente los Ediles Sebastián Romero hombre homosexual público e igualmente integrante del Polo de Rosa, y Angélica Marín Agudelo, quien ha apoyado abiertamente las causas de la comunidad LGTB.


UNA CAPITAL CON CAPITAL INCLUYENTE

La Secretaria de Gobierno de Bogotá ha autorizado al Instituto Distrital de la Participación y Acción Comunal, el rubro de 4.000 millones de pesos (durante el cuatrienio 2008-2012) para la continuidad del Centro Comunitario LGBT de Chapinero y la implementación de 3 nuevos Centros Comunitarios LGBT, en las localidades de: Kennedy, SantaFe-Mártires y Suba (de acuerdo con lo solicitado por el Consejo Consultivo LGBT). Al interior del IDPAC la responsabilidad directa será de la Gerencia de Mujer y Géneros. Un proyecto de la ciudad en el cual también laboran reconocidos lideres de la comunidad LGBT.

http://www.agmagazine.com.ar/?IdNot=2380

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

romy says on Apr 29, 2008, 09:01:

I too believe these issues need to be dealt with openly.
mononoke- It's no mystery that many people will perform hate crimes (of all sorts) in the name of religion.

Simon says on Apr 29, 2008, 09:52:

"Que triste, eso verdaderamente me pone triste. Pero a la vez no entiendo cómo es que Colombia se enorgullese de llamarse un país Católico/Cristiano y hay tanto odio en las calles."


Es muy sencillo.... porque los que odian no son verdaderos Católicos!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Simon says on Apr 29, 2008, 09:54:

"Simon, if you are not able to take the good, the bad, and the ugly from Colombia then you better put me on ignore. There are many things that people need to be aware of, I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news."


Wow Romy, it's nice to know we FINALLY have someone who is willing to be the "bearer of bad news" about Colombia, as if CNN, FOX, MSNBC, Univision, and the BBC weren't enough!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

joanseb says on Apr 29, 2008, 11:15:

"Que triste, eso verdaderamente me pone triste. Pero a la vez no entiendo cómo es que Colombia se enorgullese de llamarse un país Católico/Cristiano y hay tanto odio en las calles."

Yo mas bien diria que este odio e ignorancia es a causa de la religion. Los dirigentes catolicos han dejado muy claro su mensaje de rechazo, odio y condena eterna para las personas con otras preferencias sexuales, y pues como quieren que respondan sus "fieles" y lacayos?
Siempre lo he dicho, el mundo seria un lugar mejor sin religiones, con el respeto de los creyentes.

Simon says on Apr 29, 2008, 11:57:

Y yo pienso que el mundo sería mejor con menos descreídos. Al fin al cabo gente como Hitler y Stalin eran ateos!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Simon says on Apr 29, 2008, 12:13:

Hitler rejected Catholicism very early on, obviously!

And did you hear about that study they conducted last year where they showed that the kids of religious parents are better behaved than the kids of non-religious parents? Of course that to me was as surprising as finding out tall people are better at basketball!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

robi666 says on Apr 29, 2008, 12:50:

"Fascism COMES FROM catholicism" LOL
"And then you have Mussolini, the grandfather of all fascism. Anybody have doubts about his religion? " LOL
Ignorant, like always...

Hope this helps...
"The two ideologies were different on the public level about their views on religion, in private both regimes saw it necessary that religion be made to conform to their ideologies. Both Hitler and Mussolini were technically Roman Catholic when they were in power, but both had been critical of religion in the past. Mussolini, originally an atheist, as leader of the Fascist movement began to endorse Christianity as a means to draw religious Italians to the Fascist cause. Hitler was born a Roman Catholic but was not an active religious person and largely used religious references to attract religious support to the Nazi political agenda.
Mussolini actively sought the support of the Roman Catholic Church to give his regime a sense of moral support, and signed the Lateran Treaty in 1929, recognizing the sovereignty of the Vatican. In private, Mussolini largely endorsed the Roman Catholic Church for political legitimacy, as during the Lateran talks, Fascist officials engaged in bitter arguments with Vatican officials and put pressure on them to accept the terms that the regime deemed acceptable.[46] In addition, many Fascists were anti-clerical in private life.
Hitler in public sought the support of both the Protestant and Roman Catholic religions in Germany, but in a far more muted manner than Mussolini's support of Roman Catholicism. His views changed over time, but overall he was highly critical of Christianity but recognized that it was an established element of German society that could not be easily removed. Hitler objected to radical ideas by other Nazis who advocated returning Germany to ancient Anglo-Saxon religious beliefs, as Hitler believed that despite Christianity's flaws, it was a superior religion to Anglo-Saxon pagan beliefs which is why it survived while pagan beliefs dissappeared.[47] Hitler and the Nazi regime attempted to found their own version of Christianity called Positive Christianity which made major changes in its interpretation of the Bible. In Positive Christianity, Jesus Christ was seen as the son of God, but not as a Jew. In fact, Positive Christianity stated that Christ and his followers despised the Jews. Emphasis was put on blaming Jews for the death of Christ, and Hitler claimed that Christ did not suffer, but rather that he was strong and a fighter throughout his life until his death."

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:01:

This can help, too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Fascism_and_religion

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:02:

"NOT what I read"

Rubito, go back to the Internet Sex Guide and talking about Porn, that's your kind of reading....

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

robi666 says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:10:

Has anyone ever heard the expression Mangiapreti http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mangiapreti, referred to the italian fascists?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

CatGirl says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:30:

Rubito "If you like your religion fine.....The church has a long twisted and bloody history with a lot of things to be shameful of "
I agree...in addition to many other "organized religions".

Robi I understand the "mind set" you are putting out there and your comment but .....if you go back......religion was what is now known as politics but much more brutal. There are so many versions of the bible etc...All open to interpretation and manipulation of the powers that were in control at the time. Your comments on Hitler. Brain washing is an incredible thing. If you can invoke fear (the fear of God etc...) into the masses, amazing what can happen. Fear is control. Both Hitler and the Catholic Church put enough fear out there and promise of protection to control a large number of people to participate in genocide.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

Simon says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:33:

"Before the 1960s hating Jews was practically a REQUIREMENT for any cathlolic in decent standing.

If you like your religion fine, but dont sit there and try to sell us this bill of goods. The church has a long twisted and bloody history with a lot of things to be shameful of."

To me hating jews as a "requirement to be a cathlolic in decent standing" is completely unacceptable and contradictory.....Jesus was a jew!

I've never said my religion doesn't have an ugly history, but what I do say is that those who do practice it correctly have done and can do wonderful things for mankind, i.e. Mother Teresa, Pope John Paul II, etc.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

robi666 says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:34:

I am not religious and less catholic.
But saying that "Fascism COMES FROM catholicism" is a boutade...

Catgirl, those elements are common to many different ideologies. Not sure it is something you can find in Catholicism, if not in a deviant part of it.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

CatGirl says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:51:

Robbi - True, you will find it anytime power or "perceived power" is involved, be it religion, govt or any authority figure or organization...then throw in the possibility of harm - creating fear ..and...(Hey - look at that wack job in Austria? He had the power of being a parent/father.)

Simon - yes Mother Teresa is a perfect example of a heart of gold. Wish more were like her ;))

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

Frank Rizzo says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:53:

Agreed CatGirl....they need to put that fuker in Austria down.... this afternoon......or authorize lifelong torture for him.

Mononoke28 says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:54:

Well, I'm a true Catholic and respect my religion which was taught to us from generations. But before that, I'm a Christian and I believe that we should all love each other. I have no problem with two people of the same sex loving each other at all.

Ok, I'm done showing my true colors on this site. Back to bitch mode in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

Diana

slguy says on Apr 29, 2008, 13:58:

i've never been critical of catholic people - just don't get me started on the institution.....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

joanseb says on Apr 29, 2008, 16:45:

Simon lamento informarte que Hitler era muy religioso, y una de las posibles "teorias" de su odio por los judios era que el pensaba que los judios eran los culpables de la muerte de jesus. Eso no es ser ateo, es mas eso es fanatismo religioso, ademas te recuerdo que muchos nazis fueron protegidos por el vaticano y enviados a argentina.
Y si, teresa de calcuta, juan pablo II fueron ejemplos a seguir, aunque la primera tuvo ideologias muy extrañas y que no comparto, pero luego llega este Nazi Benedicto a borrar todo lo que hizo juan pablo II y trajo un mensaje de intoleracia y totalmente radical, y algo que nunca se me a olvidar fue el comentario que hizo contra mahoma, ni siquiera aplica la norma basica de respeto al projimo, y ahi esta la respuesta al tema: Si ni siquiera el jefe de una religion es capaz de respetar, como se espera que las demas personas comprendan el significado de la palabra tolerancia?

Simon says on Apr 29, 2008, 16:50:

Puede ser que Hitler era "muy religioso", pero no sé de qué religion! Tal vez del Satanismo, más bien! En cuanto tu cuentico del Vaticano protegiendo a los Nazis, creo que los está confundiendo con los franceses!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

joanseb says on Apr 29, 2008, 16:52:

pues entonces date un leidita de historia nazi, eso lo sabe todo el mundo y esta mas que documentado en TODOS los libros historicos, es mas la iglesia pidio disculpas por ese hecho.

Simon says on Apr 29, 2008, 16:57:

BTW, hey Rubito, here's that study I mentioned before! Like I said, finding out that the children of religious parents are better behaved is about as enlightening as finding out that eating at Micky D's can make you fat! LOL!


Study: Religion Is Good for Kids

Tuesday , April 24, 2007

By Melinda Wenner

Kids with religious parents are better behaved and adjusted than other children, according to a new study that is the first to look at the effects of religion on young child development.

The conflict that arises when parents regularly argue over their faith at home, however, has the opposite effect.

John Bartkowski, a Mississippi State University sociologist and his colleagues asked the parents and teachers of more than 16,000 kids, most of them first-graders, to rate how much self control they believed the kids had, how often they exhibited poor or unhappy behavior and how well they respected and worked with their peers.

The researchers compared these scores to how frequently the children’s parents said they attended worship services, talked about religion with their child and argued abut religion in the home.

The kids whose parents regularly attended religious services — especially when both parents did so frequently — and talked with their kids about religion were rated by both parents and teachers as having better self-control, social skills and approaches to learning than kids with non-religious parents.

But when parents argued frequently about religion, the children were more likely to have problems. “Religion can hurt if faith is a source of conflict or tension in the family,��? Bartkowski noted.

Why so good?

Bartkowski thinks religion can be good for kids for three reasons. First, religious networks provide social support to parents, he said, and this can improve their parenting skills. Children who are brought into such networks and hear parental messages reinforced by other adults may also “take more to heart the messages that they get in the home,��? he said.

Secondly, the types of values and norms that circulate in religious congregations tend to be self-sacrificing and pro-family, Bartkowski told LiveScience. These “could be very, very important in shaping how parents relate to their kids, and then how children develop in response,��? he said.

Finally, religious organizations imbue parenting with sacred meaning and significance, he said.

University of Virginia sociologist W. Bradford Wilcox, who was not involved in the study, agrees. At least for the most religious parents, “getting their kids into heaven is more important than getting their kids into Harvard,��? Wilcox said.

But as for why religious organizations might provide more of a boost to family life than secular organizations designed to do the same thing, that’s still somewhat of a mystery, said Annette Mahoney, a psychologist at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, also not involved in the research. Mahoney wondered: “Is there anything about religion and spirituality that sets it apart?��?

Unanswered questions

Bartkowski points out that one limitation of his study, to be published in the journal Social Science Research, is that it did not compare how denominations differed with regards to their effects on kids.

“We really don’t know if conservative Protestant kids are behaving better than Catholic kids or behaving better than mainline Protestant kids or Jewish kids,��? he said.

It’s also possible that the correlation between religion and child development is the other way around, he said. In other words, instead of religion having a positive effect on youth, maybe the parents of only the best behaved children feel comfortable in a religious congregation.

“There are certain expectations about children’s behavior within a religious context, particularly within religious worship services,��? he said. These expectations might frustrate parents, he said, and make congregational worship “a less viable option if they feel their kids are really poorly behaved.��?

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268081,00.html

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NataliaV says on Apr 29, 2008, 17:09:

I agree Simon. Children need to have faith in their lives. And its no question that parents that attend mass and teach their children about God are better behaved.

Simon says on Apr 29, 2008, 17:13:

Gracias Natalia, es que eso es obvio.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

romy says on Apr 29, 2008, 23:46:

"Mononoke I'm sorry to break the news to you but you are NOT a catholic in good standing if you harbor the belief that same-sex relationships are ok. You are just fooling yourself if you really believe that. Catholics believe that ANY homosexual act is a SIN, PERIOD. There are NO exceptions. As a matter of fact, technically you shouldn't even be receiving communion until you resolve that issue. I suggest you make a choice between tradition and freedom."

I don't believe it says anywhere in the bible that same-sex relationships are not permitted. Someone can follow a religion without being a fanatic to the institution.

romy says on Apr 29, 2008, 23:50:

18:22 "'You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestible.

I stand corrected.

kalder says on Apr 30, 2008, 00:43:

Rubito- your knowledge of history is deeply flawed. Hitler was a Lutheran and Fascism comes from Catholicism? He wasn't and it doesn't. I must echo Robi's sentiments: Stick to something you're properly informed about. Tell us more about those threesomes...;)

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

slguy says on Apr 30, 2008, 06:40:

in time, i've grown to appreciate rubito. i've been told that IRL he's a softspoken gentleman.

i think his gig here is "let me just see how much bullshit i can spout before someone calls me on it..." ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 30, 2008, 07:23:

Fox news has their bias and their bone-headed commentators, but so does every other media outlet. If you Google "Study: Religion Is Good for Kids" you'll see the same article on many other web sites -- it's not Fox-created content, they're just republishing it.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 30, 2008, 07:32:

Well, it's "social science" and universities produce these studies by the cart load. I saw another one in the same list of Google results that said religious affiliation correlates with wealth - Jewish people at the top and conservative Protestants at the bottom. Mainline Catholics and mainline Protestants in the middle. I wonder how many PhDs it took to arrive at that brilliant conclusion.

kalder says on Apr 30, 2008, 07:39:

Mussolini was not a Catholic.

In the same way your chum Crowley was not a believing, practising member of the Plymouth Brethren.

Having one's mother a member of a Church doesn't automatically make you one of the flock. Not beyond the age of reason anyway.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Apr 30, 2008, 07:45:

Mussolini and the Church couldn't stand each other. But, being politicians, they cut deals with one another. Consult any of the relevant texts.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

kalder says on Apr 30, 2008, 07:49:

No, he wasn't. Really, truly, with sugar on the top.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 30, 2008, 07:51:

I don't know about the UK, Kalder, but in the US you have to promise whipped cream and a cherry on top to signify the gravity of your words.

kalder says on Apr 30, 2008, 07:57:

You've always been the wealthier nation. The sugar's about as much as we can stretch to.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

Mononoke28 says on Apr 30, 2008, 09:23:

Rubito, you and so many other people have told me the same thing but like I said, I'm a Catholic but before that, I'm a Christian. There's a long list of things that I do not agree with the Catholic church but it's the religion I was taught and I respect it. I also don't agree that when it comes to religion people should go around saying "you're wrong, you're wrong and yes, you in the corner over are wrong as well". We don't know who's right or wrong, period.

I basically believe that we have to respect everybody regardless of their beliefs as long as they're not harming anybody. If all they're doing is trying to be better human beings, it doesn't matter what they belive in or not. And that goes for atheists as well. I worked with a guy who was brought up as such and was taught to believe in logic and reason and that faith and religion were not things to count on. To this day he's one of the nicest, most respectful people I know because he was taught to respect and love others as well.

Diana

NataliaV says on Apr 30, 2008, 11:06:

I look at it this way....I am a Catholic and proud to be so. I tend to agree with the Catholic church in most areas. However, I also believe it is not my place to judge others and that is left up to God himself. So in my book you can be anything you want to be as long as you are not effecting me and while I may not agree, I know you will one day meet God and he will judge what was right and wrong.

In short, Mononoke, I agree with you. It's not our place to judge and if someone is an atheist but is nice, treats people fairly etc...I have no problem with them in my book.

Cerealkiller says on Apr 30, 2008, 14:15:

I like that study tinto, means my wealthiness is a matter or time. I can totally live with that. Although I wonder if it applies to those of us who have deep disdain for religion... In addition I think that the cult with the largest proportion of wealthy people is scientology (hahahaha)

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

Mononoke28 says on May 1, 2008, 09:08:

Just because you don't agree with someone or something does not mean you can't respect them. There's a lot of people I don't agree with, especially at work and I still respect them. My dad drove me up the wall for the things he believed in and said, and I respected him until he died. I can't stand most politicians and I still respect them (most of them anyway). And the list goes on and on.

There's a difference between having different opinions and points of view and respect. It sounds to me like you don't know the difference. But that's ok, I still respect you. XD

Diana

Mononoke28 says on May 1, 2008, 13:40:

To each his own, right?

Diana

Mononoke28 says on May 2, 2008, 09:56:

Then good for you.

Diana

robi666 says on May 2, 2008, 15:02:

I think that you should show some respect, but you do what you want...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

romy says on May 2, 2008, 15:39:

funny how rubito tells catholics how they should behave, think, and feel. Yet he despises catholicism... you're worse than a jehovah's witness preaching your garbage. People can do as they please as long as they don't harm others.

billyb says on May 2, 2008, 18:22:

"People can do as they please as long as they don't harm others."

At the risk of sounding like a cheerleader;) Amen.

goin_south says on May 2, 2008, 23:35:

rubito... are you answering your own questions again?

y, un mil gracias.

CatGirl says on May 2, 2008, 23:43:

I Hate Crimes too..

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

CatGirl says on May 2, 2008, 23:53:

;)))....Purrr.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

Frank Rizzo says on May 3, 2008, 00:34:

Hi Rubito, This is certainly not meant to be negative or to pick a fight.....in fact..i believe..as i'm sure you do.......we should always live in the positive..., just an observation as a few people here know what i do for a living....helping coach people..around the world..

....i see above that you like to "tell it like it is".... i'm sure we've all met so many people in life that take such pride in always "telling it like it is"...and to a person...they all think people like and respect them for that...'one" reason is that the people "telling it like it is"...

have strong personalities (which is very good) and are abrasive at times (which is not so good), in general people will avoid conflict over battles that really mean nothing to them. (at least successful people do, it's a stragety on a minute per minute basis.)...

For this...people that "tell it like it is"...are many times getting (what they think is) positive re-enforcement by people that choose not to engage the person...and their typical response is "i respect that"....when in fact...they really don't....

People deep down have been formed by their parents, church, society and other events...they usually view themselves as successful and that is essential for their daily lives and continued success........

These people, really do not want to change and will not change by any words (via a person that "tells it like it is")... the receiving person has already turned off the ears and has begun to proccess an exit stragety to exit the conversation......thus the response.."i respect that"...

In fact...each and every conversation we have in life is like doing a deal...if your words don't begin to motivate someone in the first 30 seconds...you've lost them....

i'm in this exact business, and to a person...none of the people i work with that are truly happy in life and have dynastic wealth...."tell it like it is"...as that's really not what people want to hear, it does not motivate people nor does attract people, money or positive events to occur in your life..

I'm not trying to pick an fight or other...just making an observation...as we each as humans have unlimited potential...and our growth potential can sometimes be raised by the smallest things in life...

I know i've definately got my faults and try to learn and expand my horizons in personal growth daily.

Frank Rizzo says on May 3, 2008, 01:11:

fair enough...thanks for your response...

billyb says on May 3, 2008, 11:34:

"I don't give a shit about whether people like what I'm saying or not. You think I'm on here to make friends with every last person on here??"

Damn Rubi, and I thought we were bonding.

billyb says on May 3, 2008, 19:36:

Maybe, but you have to hurry up and move down there so we can get the clock started on your demise ;)

slguy says on May 3, 2008, 20:56:

"1) If people can't handle the truth on something simple as this that indicates to me they're not worth my time. That allows me to sift through who's who here.

2) What I say may be negatively received now, but it will work on people like venom over the weeks months and years that follow until it dissolves the shell of hypocrisy. Painful truths have a way of working like that."

i'm pretty sure you flatter yourself on this one, rubito. got yourself a semi-messianic issue or two, i'd say.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Cerealkiller says on May 14, 2008, 02:47:

so going back to the OP this is what I found today. Very sad news:
http://www.eltiempo.com/nacion/cali/2008-05-14/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTER...


Mayo 13 de 2008
Alerta por homicidio de dos transexuales en Cali; Policía dice que van 7 crimenes en el año
Según los registros de Santamaría Fundación, que ha tomado la vocería de al menos 3.500 transexuales, 16 integrantes de esa comunidad han muerto trágicamente y 32 han sobrevivido a ataques.

"La situación es delicada y necesitamos el apoyo institucional", reclamó Pedro Julio Pardo, de la Fundación.

El jueves 8 de mayo fueron asesinadas Tahili, que fue hallada con un tiro en la frente, en la vía al corregimiento Golondrinas, al noroeste de Cali, y Verónica, que recibió 17 puñaladas en el centro, donde es común que mujeres, homosexuales y transexuales se prostituyan.

Además, "hay subregistro. Por los nombres de hombres, en muchos casos no se tiene en cuenta que son transexuales. Muchas agresiones no se denuncian", dijo Pardo en una reunión convocada por la Defensoría del Pueblo.

El coronel Narciso Martínez, comandante de la Policía Comunitaria, pidió la colaboración de esa población y dijo que solo tienen registro de siete muertes; y en la Oficina de Atención al Ciudadano solo hay dos quejas por abuso de autoridad.

El defensor, Andrés Santamaría, dijo que los casos fueron puestos en conocimiento del representante en Colombia de la Alta Comisionada para los DD. HH. de la ONU, que incluyó en su informe del 2007 la racha de ataques contra esa comunidad en Cali.

"En Colombia el derecho a la vida es inviolable, la orientación sexual no debe ser razón para quitarle la vida", dijo Santamaría.

Y agregó: "Cuatro ataques en un día son inquietantes. Es importante el respeto a la diferencia y es pertinente generar las acciones para proteger el derecho de cada persona a la igualdad".

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill