Gringos and Mail Order Brides

elmodefoque says on Nov 10, 2004, 10:56:

I’m not familiar with this mail order bride thing but I’m one very old colombian/amercian modefoque with a very young Colombian broad. I picked her up in bar/disco in Cartagena almost 5 years ago, we been married for 4. I only married the broad because she did not know I was living in the USA, yet, she was the only Colombiana that ever game any attention. I thought that she would dump my old tired wrinkle ass as soon as she got her green card, NOT! She got it, going on two years now, and keeps making plans for our future and I don’t see myself living more than 7 years tops. This girl is all Medellin cachaca, go go go, only wants the best and is willing to bust her ass for it. I’m the extreme apposite. I’m too old to change but she's now making me change my underwear every single day. I never heard of such a ridiculous thing! I used to wear one side for two days and then turn them inside out for another 2 days then they are ready for the washing machine. I used to own only 2 underwear now I got 7.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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caslug says on Nov 10, 2004, 11:04:

he had TWO BEAUTIFUL GIRLS!!! wow... know wonder he's piss about them leaving and going home.

You know this is one of the board favorite subject in pops up at least several times a month, gringo dating/marry colombianas, via email-order or otherwise.

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Munecabella says on Nov 10, 2004, 11:22:

I must.... check that out. It's a subject that makes me go hummmmmmm. I'm not sure who the other girl was. I don't know if she was a friend she met in the United States or what.

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Munecabella says on Nov 10, 2004, 11:25:

:-) Elmo...... at least you are willing to make a change(underwear included). I'm still trying to get my husband to stop hanging his underwear over or shower rod. That really bothers me for some reason.

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JamieJ says on Nov 10, 2004, 12:44:

Munecabella the mail order bride scenario is not much different than a marriage agency or internet dating scenario in the States. The primary disadvantage with the so called former is that the man and the woman don’t take the time determine the long run compatibility of the relationship they are ensuing. If the marriage crumbles in short order or is filled with disorder it is rarely due to deception but to the blindness of one or more of the partners. If you are going to rush in to a life long decision and not really know the person you are inviting into your life than an unwanted outcome should be no surprise. While the man was outwardly blaming the woman the blame belongs to the man it was his decision and if he allowed himself to be used it is his own senses, observations and judgment that are at fault. All of this can come into play domestically but the distance and the lack of good communications comes into play more so with international romances. Marriage is not just a decision of the emotions allow it to be so and you will end up with the sorry display you encountered.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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calipro says on Nov 10, 2004, 13:47:

Well since I'm somewhat of an expert on the subject, I'll fill you in.

Cali is the latin american agency capital of the world because there are more women in marriage agencies than in any other city in latin america. Having said that, it really isn't fair to generalize to much because the women that are actually in marriage agencies only amount to a fraction of 1% of the total female population in Cali.

However there are a number of reasons why marriage agencies are relatively popular in Cali. Number one most guys that go over seas in search of a wife are in there forties and most women in Cali looking for a husband are in their twenties.

From a cultural perspective many caleñas are open to marrying or dating a guy twenty or so years older then themselves and of course there aren't to many 40 year old guys going to turn their noses up to a 20 year old hottie. Also add in the fact that colombians are relatively open to dating and marriage with a foreigner and you can see this is really the perfect environment for the marriage agency scene.

There is a tendency for some north american and western europeans to attribute very negative motives to the fact that caleñas are open to marrying an older guy and to leave her own country. They often refer to them as green card sharks. They fail to realize that colombia is a relatively non-nationalistic culture compared to many other cultures around the world including U.S. culture and many western european cultures. Hence the misunderstanding IMHO.

I don't really know what you could gather from over hearing an arguement between a couple that just broke up.

I would take exception with the statement that the guy made that the woman and her family had used him. If she had really used him she wouldn't be going back to Colombia.

Sounds to me like the two of them were in a relationship that went bad and she just wanted to go back home to mama. It happens. It's called life.

This is the part of your post I don't understand.

"what about the arranged relationship. Can we really try to plan love?"

There are no arranged marriages at marriage agencies. It is basicly an introduction service where people meet, date and sometimes eventually marry. They are unions between to consenting adults who are under no obligations except to themselves.

It is rather remarkable to watch the process of these people meeting and their relationship grow. In spite of cultural and language barriers if the couples do in fact marry the relationship has a little better chance of success than the average american marriage. Never under estimate the power of two desperate people when you get them together. Most men that travel to a foreign country to find a wife really, really want to be married and so do most of the women who join these agencies.

Older forty something year old gringos with a good income that just can't seem to attract women that interest them and twenty something colombianas with a child that couldn't find a decent husband to marry them and be a father to their child to save their lives.

On the other extreme you have the early 40's to mid 50's american guys with cash that go down to Cali meet to and marry really hot models. These women are young, extremely beautiful and thus have more opportunities to date and marry than most so are not usually in marriage agencies. They are however still open to dating older gringo and older colombianos for that matter. This is really where the sparks can start to fly because then you as an american are competing head to head with older colombianos that want the same type of women.
I'll tell you from personal experiance it can get ugly and not many americans are ready to deal with them.

I'm an exception to the rule. I'm just a poor 'ol L.A. boy that don't know no ka-rate, I only knows ka-nife and ka-gun;-))

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stanmoonie says on Nov 10, 2004, 18:22:

hey elmo I know you went to Barranquilla did you have fun? I was down there last month and I swear to god I saw a dog that reminded me of your old dog Marcia. I will not tell you what it liked doing but I sure hated that little dog. It ate crap and licked its balls... little dog couple run fast too... I tried to get it with my vcar I do not know how many times in fact my son was my pilot for this mission... we failed..

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cazzy says on Nov 10, 2004, 18:52:

mial order calipro what part of LA are you from? How much spanish do you speak and understand? When are you going to Columbia next?

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calipro says on Nov 10, 2004, 19:49:

cazzy I was born in Lynwood CA.

I speak spanish like at about an eight grader, I imagine. Except that I do make mistakes with my prepostional frases and sometimes try to translate idomatic expressions which is usually good for a laugh. My comprehension is a bit higher.

I'll be in Cali starting mid- December. Why?

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cazzy says on Nov 10, 2004, 20:05:

calipro I know the city well. south gate, huntington park ,COMPTON.I grew up there from 3 to 7th grade. I have a business in Downey now. I would like to go to Colombia.What brings you back to the country?

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calipro says on Nov 10, 2004, 21:40:

cazzy I live in Phoenix, AZ at the moment.

To answer your question, Caleñas are what bring me back to Cali, Colombia time and time again. The women of Cali are the most beautiful and enjoyable women to be around that I have ever met:-)

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elmodefoque says on Nov 11, 2004, 05:23:

Hey Stanmoonie, it could not possibly be my dog “marica’. My, other dogs’ ball licking little doggie was run over by an elitist Colombian family many years ago. I replaced him with a dog I called “hp perro”. He was the meanest son of a bitch in the planet, bit me 9 times. I used to tie his ass, with a wire, to a tree in front of the house but always got free and immediately chased my dirty ass around, he hated me and I was not too crazy about him either. I decided to let my mom take care of him. Thought he was evil, the bastard tasted really good, nice and tender.

I see that I wore out my welcome and my “habla mierda “postings are immediately deleted. I will have to find another forum so I could share with people the average, poor Colombian view. They should change this site name to “gringoandelitistcolombianbuthappy” chaooo to all!! it was fun. uruak

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Munecabella says on Nov 11, 2004, 06:24:

Jamie J you have are right. You have a very valid point. If you go all the way to Cali in search of love and beauty then I tend to question whether you should be looking on the inside of yourself and not in Cali.

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Munecabella says on Nov 11, 2004, 06:35:

"There are no arranged marriages at marriage agencies"

That's a contradiction in itself. What is a marriage agency for then?

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ColombianoX says on Nov 11, 2004, 07:54:

STAY AWAY FROM OUR WOMEN! I think that anyone who has to resort to going to a foreign country to find a woman is a real LOSER! What's the matter with some of these (north) american men? Can't they find a woman in a country with over 290 million people? And that website that JamieJ posted is a real joke. It states that (north) american men make the best husbands in the world. Yeah right, just ask Lorena Bobbit or Clara Harris about that. There's a reason the USA has the highest divorce rate in the world and I'm sure it's not just because of the wives. That ridiculous website even states that Colombia is a "non-nationalistic" culture. I guess the idiot who wrote that has never watched a colombian national team football game with colombians! If women seem to be interested in foreigners, it's just because of the money, period.

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 11, 2004, 08:09:

Colombianox, sometimes I wonder if you're just some bored high school student in New Jersey with nothing better to do. Have you ever talked to some Colombianas who are married to gringoes or who are looking for a gringo to marry? Clearly not. Yes, many of them are green card hunters or are just interested in a better life economically speaking but their opinions of North American men are also a significant factor. In fact, sometimes I have to tell them that their ideas about North American men, while having a grain of truth, are also unrealistic in many ways. By the way, the United States is 12th in the divorce rate, behind (among others), Sweden, Belgium, Finland and the United Kingdom.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Jlove says on Nov 11, 2004, 08:39:

I have travelled to Cali for the past 4 years for vacation. I have used the agencies at time and met people on my own. Most of the time, the men are looking for someone beautiful to make up for the girl that they were not abe to get when they were young. Often girl may be gold diggers a little but not because they are that way but because they have the opportunity to receive things that normally would not be able to get. Cell phones is a popular item. They are people like anyone else. If he would have set parameters in the beginning, he would not have had the big problems with money. If they can not focus on the relations more than money you know to cut them loose. That is often where the flaws take place. I do think that it is crazy for someone 40+ to expect overwhelming love from a 20 year old. It happens at time but at some point in the person life, you have to use common sense also. I will be travelling to cali this summer to get to know the girls that I have been dating. I think i am ready to select one and if it goes bad, yes that is life. Try and try again. I will not die from an ended relationship.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 11, 2004, 08:49:

non-nationalistic culture? That caught my eye too. On the contrary, I think most Colombians are extremely proud of their culture. They prefer their own food, their own drinks, their own lifestyles. They are very polite and will not put you down because you are from somewhere else, even if deep down they don't think much about your country or your culture. They are very adaptable, resilient and resourceful; a great survivor trait when forced to seek better fortunes in far-away places. They need to keep in touch with their country and their culture wherever they are, to feel whole. They do not have that chest-pounding, ultra-nationalistic mannerism; that does not mean that they do not love their country, just that they are not that loud about it in front of strangers. One of the parameters of the study published by the University of Erasmus about the happiness index of different nationalities was just the sense of belonging: that's exactly where colombians scored highest.
My opinions about marriage agencies are well-known, and suffices to say for those who don't know that I oppose any type of organized love commerce.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Munecabella says on Nov 11, 2004, 08:52:

Jlove you...
...sound like a smart guy. You'll be fine.

From the conversation I had with the girl on the plane, I can tell she really wanted to try to make it work regardless of how it started. That guy was a jerk. At one point he threw money at her and asked, "Is this what you want?”. He humiliated her. Who wants to live with someone like that--either for a green card or for love? She went into the relationship with her expectations and he had his. The problem I think was, they really didn't communicate those expectations like any other couple would before marrying.

I think that if you are going to use any agency to meet people then you should be very realistic especially when the talk of marriage arises.

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Miguel says on Nov 11, 2004, 09:10:

Nationalism Is Alive and Well in Colombia That was very obvious to me the first time I met a Colombian 25 years ago; even more obvious on my following trips there. Hell, they were going nuts two weeks ago having two Colombianos in the World Series in the states...as in front page, no holds barred PRIDE. One of the things that endears me to my Colombian girlfriend is her intense pride in her country. As far as an agency, I have not used one, but don't knock those who do...that being said, I have questioned of few posts made by a certain gentleman here who runs one.

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DiegoDelNorte says on Nov 11, 2004, 09:14:

Losers "I think that anyone who has to resort to going to a foreign country to find a woman is a real LOSER!"

There are certainly exceptions, but there is some truth in this. Some guys looking for Russian/Colombian/Asian whatever wives have some kind of fantasy of this submissive supermodel who's going to be serving him breakfast in bed and doing as she's told all the time. They've never been outside the US and think every woman in every other country is just dying to get a green card. They seek foreign women because they imagine they will have more control and power in this kind of relationship.

Now, as Dennis Miller says, I don't want to get off on a rant here, but...

On the other hand, some guys are just so fed up with gringas that they're looking for any kind of alternative.

As for not being able to find a woman in a country with over 290 million people... well, the US is a culturally sick country in which the majority of the inhabitants have never set foot outside of their own borders and have no respect for any other culture. We're talking about a country that elected George Bush as its president. A place where neighbors barely know each other, where houses and cars are more important than family, where the social event of the year is the Super Bowl and where showing a tit on TV warrants three weeks of front page headlines and massive fines against broadcasters. Where a man on trial for molesting young boys is greeted by supporters waving signs saying "we love you!"

Certainly, there is a level of American society above most of this, but there are barriers to entry. Can you really blame a gringo who looks around him and says, "Wow. This is fucked up!" and decides to explore the options of the world outside of his own dying culture? Take ten average Colombianas out of a nightclub or restaurant in Bogota and stand them up against ten average gringas from New York. Evaluate them on attitude, appearance, cleanliness, grooming, conversational ability, cooking skills, ability to handle money, and dedication to their families. Of course I've never actually conducted any scientific research on this, but my personal experience has shown me that hands down, the Colombianas are WAY on top. Who can blame a gringo who, once he discovers the truth, prefers to be with a Colombian woman?

Who can blame ColombianoX for wanting to keep them in Colombia??? But, X, don't worry... believe me, most gringos are never going to know the truth.

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Christinalkc says on Nov 11, 2004, 09:18:

well... these agencies are all over colombia and in fact, i am workin in one of them. i am also very curious about this issue and well........ that's life!

christina

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calipro says on Nov 11, 2004, 09:44:

christina Which one of the marriage agencies do you work at?

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calipro says on Nov 11, 2004, 09:52:

Munecabella "That's a contradiction in itself. What is a marriage agency for then?"

What is a dating agency in the States for or any type of dating site on the web? It is to provide an opportunity for people single people to meet.

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calipro says on Nov 11, 2004, 09:59:

Munecabella "She went into the relationship with her expectations and he had his. The problem I think was, they really didn't communicate those expectations like any other couple would before marrying."

It sounds like many of the relationships right here in the states.

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ColombianoX says on Nov 11, 2004, 10:15:

utopiacowboy,

Sorry if my comments offended you, but just try to look at it from a colombian male's point of view. How would you like it if foreign men were trying to lure away your female compatriots? I'm sure many (north) americans wouldn't be too happy about that.


DiegoDelNorte,

"A place where neighbors barely know each other, where houses and cars are more important than family,....."

"Take ten average Colombianas out of a nightclub or restaurant in Bogota and stand them up against ten average gringas from New York. Evaluate them on attitude, appearance, cleanliness, grooming, conversational ability, cooking skills, ability to handle money, and dedication to their families. "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Man, that made me laugh, tienes toda la razón! You really hit the nail on the head with those observations, now that you mentioned it, I also have no idea who my neighbors are. I also can't stand those ghetto New Yawk pseudo-hispanic Jennifer Lopez types. There's nothing like the real thing, like my lovely colombianas.

Saludes,

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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cintiamay says on Nov 11, 2004, 10:22:

Immoral Minority DiegoDelNorte,
Thanks for the lesson on my dying culture. I am one of the 48% immoral minority (almost half thank you) who did NOT vote for President Bush. While I can see that the media in my dying country continues to blare ridiculous condescending garbage around the world and the religous right of my dying country continue to obsess about the unborn & gay marriage and supposed family values while supporting an oil-war where our soldiers are helping kill countless people from another country (where's the family value in that), that does not mean (given the 50+ million people who voted for the other guy) we are all like that... I have been reading and reading posts on this site about Colombian women being so wonderful. And I'm am happy that there are women out there perhaps not being confused by their own government and overexposed media outlets about who and what they should be. I myself am one of the apparently dwindling few "gringas" who don't buy that b.s., want to look & feel healthy, work hard, LOVE & CARE FOR SOMEONE SPECIAL, and concern myself with internal growth and not the growth of my bank account. While I haven't been financially able as some of the people on this board to fly to other countries and sample the local people & culture at will, I still yearn to do so when possible and am always looking to learn about other countries values, beliefs, lifestyle etc. because to be uninformed in this imperialistic nation of mine, is to buy into their horseshit and see everyone outside the borders as my enemy.
Whether I understand or not a man's longing to leave this country to seek happiness in a foreign woman is irrelevant. Everyone has their own path to follow and I respect ANYONE who chooses to follow his/her heart or libido to the goal of happiness. What I think is important is to not buoy yourself on your pursuit by expressing UNENDING negative commentary on others in order to "explain yourself".
I came to this site to learn about a culture and a people I was unfamilar with and certainly couldn't learn about through U.S. propaganda. What I didn't expect was to feel like a low class citizen barraged by more generalized PROPOGANDA. Colombian women seem exemplary on their own merits. Can dumping on American women make them shine that much brighter??
Just be secure in your choices and quite generalizing American women to prove your point.

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Miguel says on Nov 11, 2004, 10:31:

Damn right Diego tienes razon Best post in the thread by far, and good job ColombianoX, for seeing his point. BTW, I see my share of Colombianos here in the states going loco for blonde gringas all the time; no tengo problema con eso, senor. Ya tengo novia Colombiana!~~~~WHOOPS~~~cintiamay's mensaje popped up before mine got posted; well stated!

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elmodefoque says on Nov 11, 2004, 10:33:

x- there is no way you’re going to compare those plastic, pretentious, green card chasing, racist (don’t Indians like me) dollar chasing colombianas with my stunning, cut your face up, new yawk Ricans. These ghetto girls, uneducated and all are far more real and proud than those no nalga colombianas who hang around airports in Bogota waiting for gringo guys while rejecting my Indian ass. There is no way in hell one of those Puerto Rican broads will ever sell them self like colombianas, they hate white guys. I prefer Puerto Rican and white girls, not only are they less materialistic but a lot better in the sack.

forgot, they love it in "el chiquito" tambien

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Miguel says on Nov 11, 2004, 10:42:

¿Elmodefoque? Que dices? Ya sabes que barranquilleras tienen nalgas buenas!

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elmodefoque says on Nov 11, 2004, 10:44:

how could i forget. es que hablan mal de mis boricuas and i go bananas.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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DiegoDelNorte says on Nov 11, 2004, 10:53:

Exceptions Prove the Rule "How would you like it if foreign men were trying to lure away your female compatriots? I'm sure many (north) americans wouldn't be too happy about that."

I'll bet there are millions of dollars to be made by providing this service to gringos who wish their wives would leave them!

"I am one of the 48% immoral minority (almost half thank you) who did NOT vote for President Bush"

The sad thing is that although who is president of the US affects the whole world, only US citizens get to vote for him.

"Just be secure in your choices and quite generalizing American women to prove your point."

I generalize because it is a valid method of making broad determinations as to the characteristics of large groups of people. Always there are exceptions. This thread is about gringos and mail order brides. I think a discussion of the reasons for gringos rejecting their own women is in order.

Does anyone know who the saddest man in the world is?
A gringo in Colombia with his gringa wife.

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elmodefoque says on Nov 11, 2004, 10:53:

Miguel, is difficult to put yourself in my shoes. Kids like colombianosX are the typical Uribe looking colombianos and they do very well with their colombianas. I don’t look anything like them so those freaking Colombianas hate my guts. Ask any colombiano what is the worst way to insult another person? One single word “Indio” and that’s exactly what I am. The idea of one of those lilly white Colombianas bringing me home to meet their parents is unheard off. They will be stoned to death by family and friends

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 11, 2004, 10:56:

cintiamay I can understand why you feel hurt by these outrageous generalizations. All this ranting and raving about Colombian women and, at the same time, putting down Colombian men is just a few people's opinions. No, the Colombian women do not shine brighter by these coments made here recently, if anything, their brightness gets a bit more tarnished post by post. I feel sorry for the educated, bright, consistent Colombianas who'll have to suffer from the reputation created by some who do not hold a candle in terms of integrity, pride, education, commitment and gentility to these "plastic" mafia princesses and desperate poor unpriviledged gringo huntresses.
At the same time, I feel that the gringas and other western women have received plenty of unjustified criticism. Whatever makes all these guys think that they should be anything different, sharing the same upbringing, values and morals as their female counterparts? I know a good number of gringas and have good friends in the States too.
Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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heat says on Nov 11, 2004, 11:25:

the united states is so chalk full of different nationalites and is so large that it's hard to make sweeping generalizations. my mother is from the netherlands. my father born in indonesia to a dutch father. my sister born in the netherlands. myself - born in the u.s. my 2 good friends are from argentina and hungary but both live in the u.s. now. i also have quite a few latina girlfriends that were born here but to mexican parents. in the city that i live in there is a huge asian population etc. etc. etc. etc.

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calipro says on Nov 11, 2004, 11:33:

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'
"I think that anyone who has to resort to going to a foreign country to find a woman is a real LOSER! What's the matter with some of these (north) american men?"


I feel for you man !!!

I have been traveling to Colombia for 10 years and waiting 10 years for a Colombiano to tell me what you just wrote "TO MY FACE" and it still hasn't happened, yet.

When I say the colombianos are non-nationalistic, I'm not saying that they don't love their country. I'm just saying that they don't view themselves as the center to the universe like americans do for example. They don't look down on other countries or believe that their way of life is inherently better than someone elses. For the most part colombianos are incapable of this kind of arrogance.

The only colombianos that I know that have developed any kind of nationalistic attitudes are ones that have lived outside of their own country for a while. In 10 years of marriage and dating of colombian women in Colombia I have only ever had one Colombiano give me an attitude about it. He was a Colombian taxi driver that spoke good english because he had lived in Chicago for 8 years. Even thought he was not openly rude, He left me with the impression that he hated the idea that I was dating colombian women and I don't think he thought much of the women I was dating because of it.

See what spending just 8 years in a really nationalist culture can do for you. hehehe !!

When I talk about nationalistic attitudes I'm not refering to guys cheering on a football team because that is just way to easy with absolutely no chance for reprocusions.

Mexicans are 100 times more nationalistic than Colombianos.

I have never heard a snide remark made to me or my colombian girl friends in Colombia because we were an inter-racial couple. But, it happened many times right here in the States by mexican men when I would take my colombian wife out. They have said down right rotten things to my wife and myself because they don't like to see a gringo with a latina. Especially if she is a total knock out.

Some of the mexicanos that addressed my wife with very, very rude comments did not fair to well. Some of those little mexican bastars were only half my size. But, I have to hand it to them none of them ran and I do admire the fact that they had some balls.

I'm going to tell you a little story about an experiance that I had while I was in Cali once.

Well as usual I was dating a really hot caleña. An absolute 10 by anybodys standards.

We would go to Chipichape from time to time and there would be the same bank guard at one of the enterances that we usually used. You know the type of guard I'm talking about, tan jump suit with a blue bullet proof vest and carrying a shot gun.

Well the guy was obviously real fond of my girl friend. He wouldn't take his eyes off of her tits as we entered the mall each time and he would check out her ass as we walked by. He was totally mezmerized and oblivious to the fact that I was staring right at him. I would even look back at him when he was checking out her ass. But to tell you the truth I don't think he even noticed.

Some days later my girlfriend and I are entering the mall again and from fifty feet away this same guard has got his eyes locked on to my girl. So as we walk in, he is checking out her rack again and as we pass I could see his eyes go down to check out her ass.

Right as he was checking it out I reached down and grabbed her ass hard. I mean I really goosed her right in front of him.

I was waiting for a bullet to hit me in the back. It never came. If I would have been in Mexico I would be dead right now. There is no way in hell a mexicano could have stopped himself from pulling the trigger.

You want to know what the mind blower was. The next time I walked into the mall by myself that guard stopped me and wanted to shake my hand. He asked me where I met my girl. I couldn't believe it. Colombianos are without a doubt some of the nicest people I have ever met.

Let me give you another example of nationalistic behavior exhibited by mexicanos in Mexico.

Where I live here in the state there are many chicanos (mexicans that were born here in the states). They are 100% mexican but english is their first language and spanish their second because they went to school here so their spanish is not perfect.

Well I have many chicano friends and sometimes I like to go to Mexico. So I invite them to go with me from time to time.

It never fails. Every time I take a chicano friend with me to Mexico I catch mexican nationals being rude to them. Some of them speak spanish better than I do but I will hear the mexicans constantly correcting the spanish of my chicano friends and really getting irritated with them. I would tell my chicano friends that you would never, ever be treated so rudely in Colombia and it is true.

I remember one time when a chicano friend of mine and I went of the tourist path and started dancing with some señoritas in an all mexican disco in rocking point mexico. Well needless to say we got in a hassle with a bunch of mexican guys.

Well the more my friend johnny a mexican american talked in spanish the madder these guys got. I told my chicano friend to shut up and let me do all the talking because even thought my spanish was not as good as his they did not seem so offended by it.

I told my friend later that they didn't like me because I was a gringo picking up on thier women but that they wanted to kill him because he was a traitor to his culture.

Have you ever seen the fire in a mexican nationals eyes when he hears broken spanish from a mexican american. It really is like how dare you not think enough of your culture and heritage to learn the spanish language well.

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 11, 2004, 11:34:

Colombianox, just because I am a citizen of the United States does not mean that I have any "proprietary" interest in my fellow citizens who are female. They are perfectly free to consort with whomever they wish to - more power to them. This idea that THEY are taking OUR women - what's that about?

Judging from this month's visa appointments at the embassy in Bogota, Tinto is right, the numbers are small. Just 400 fiancees and spouses this month - a yearly total of about 5000 from all sources. A couple of hundred is probably about right.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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elmodefoque says on Nov 11, 2004, 11:41:

No matter how hard I try to, I ain't got nothing good to say about most colombianas, except for my wife, and even she gets on my nerve sometimes. Man, I’m getting like those old guys that hate everybody. I always dislike Colombians and still do, but is where I was born. I’m a mess. I’m not American and I can’t stand most colombians, I should just shoot myself in the nuts.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Christinalkc says on Nov 11, 2004, 12:49:

latin american introductions. i think someone has mentioned this agency before in this forum.

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calipro says on Nov 11, 2004, 12:50:

elmo Now I understand why you always attempt to portray colombianas as money hungery sluts.

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JamieJ says on Nov 11, 2004, 14:05:

Colombianox “Stay Away From Our Women”

It is this type of belief that brings Latin women running to American men’s arms. The women are not property and you do not own them. They are individuals that own themselves and decide what is best for them. They don’t want to be subjected to the machoistic confines of your narrow mind. I have dated many Latin women and from what they tell me it guys like you that makes them sick. Your oppressive chauvinistic attitude is the number one reason Colombian women look elsewhere. But you wouldn’t know that because it would be too hard for your bloated head to accept women not falling for your pride infested commandments.

“I think that anyone who has to resort to going to a foreign country to find a woman is a real LOSER!”
I would agree if that were the case, but most men don’t “resort” to such a search it’s just an added option they pursue.

“What's the matter with some of these (north) american men? Can't they find a woman in a country with over 290 million people”

Again it is not a case of “can’t” it’s a preference. Some people don’t like to confine their search for love to artificial boundaries you clearly do. You could care less if your nationalistic flag waving pokes people in the eye.

“And that website that JamieJ posted is a real joke. It states that (north) american men make the best husbands in the world. Yeah right, just ask Lorena Bobbit or Clara Harris about that.”

Colombinox I can understand why it is a joke to you facts and truth are a joke to you. Maybe you don’t like being overlooked as suitable marriage material but that doesn’t change the fact that most women in the world have a high opinion of the American men as a good family men. Throwing out a couple of twisted, violent women to counter this reality is the “real joke.”

“There's a reason the USA has the highest divorce rate in the world and I'm sure it's not just because of the wives.”

I have not seen or heard anyone blaming women as being solely responsible for divorce. Please provide the evidence that shows the U.S as having the highest divorce rate in the world? Or can we all assume you just like to make up facts.

“That ridiculous website even states that Colombia is a "non-nationalistic" culture. I guess the idiot who wrote that has never watched a colombian national team football game with colombians!”

Colombianox no where on my website does it use or speak of a “non-nationalistic” culture nor do I believe Colombia has a “non-nationalistic” culture. You are confusing this with a post by someone else that brought this up after my posting. But let use your logic for a moment. The “website” that you claim says this but does not say this is “ridiculous”. And the person who wrote this is an idiot. So wouldn’t that follow that Colombianox is the biggest idiot of them all for mixing up this thread and the author which referenced the “non-nationalistic” view with another website and author that makes no such reference of this and charging a conclusion from his confused entanglement that the website is ridiculous for ultimately not stating what he claims. Colombianox is there anything we can do for you to simplify our discussions so you don’t get so easily confused?

“If women seem to be interested in foreigners, it's just because of the money, period.”

Well you just insulted every Colombian woman and foreign man in a relationship in one short sentence. You must be very unhappy and feel very vulnerable to have such wrong, biased hatred and missighted thoughts. I suspect you have a lot in common with the two sick women you provided as prior evidence of support.

“Sorry if my comments offended you, but just try to look at it from a colombian male's point of view. How would you like it if foreign men were trying to lure away your female compatriots? I'm sure many (north) americans wouldn't be too happy about that.”

They are not your women you have no voice in what other people choose to do or go. A self-confident American man could care less what men or foreign men American women married. We don’t care. The fact that you do care is borderline crazy. You have a fascist, interfering mentality; you can’t mind your own business? The fact that you refer to yourself as a “defender” of Colombia tells me that you feel it must be defended. Normally when something needs to be defended it is because of an attack or prosecution. Why don’t you tell us all why you have such a self appointed title? What are you defending against? I suspect a better title would be Colombian propagandist but prove me wrong surprise us with a logical and truthful accounting.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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adrimm (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 11, 2004, 14:08:

Munecabella says on Nov 11, 2004, 14:12:

Hmmmmm “If women seem to be interested in foreigners, it's just because of the money, period.”

Well that comment can't be true. I'm very interested in a foreigner (my Colombian husband of 6 years) and it was definitely not for money. ;-p

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Munecabella says on Nov 11, 2004, 14:17:

to add to my previous comment ....he would not squeeze my ass in a public place to prove a point.

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stanmoonie says on Nov 11, 2004, 15:01:

actually.... ColombianoX

My wife is from Barranquilla and I asked her why she wanted to marry a Gringo. She told me that just watch around where I live and you will see. She stated why do I want to marry a Colombian man when they do not want to work, they slap their woman around and she wanted more then they could give. She had been married before and her ex got her pregant and walked out of her life because he wanted to lay it to as many woman as he could with no strings attached....

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calipro says on Nov 11, 2004, 15:02:

confusing the confused Lighten up JamieJ.

There is no way in hell colombianoX is going to understand this:

"Colombianox no where on my website does it use or speak of a “non-nationalistic” culture nor do I believe Colombia has a “non-nationalistic” culture. You are confusing this with a post by someone else that brought this up after my posting. But let use your logic for a moment. The “website” that you claim says this but does not say this is “ridiculous”. And the person who wrote this is an idiot. So wouldn’t that follow that Colombianox is the biggest idiot of them all for mixing up this thread and the author which referenced the “non-nationalistic” view with another website and author that makes no such reference of this and charging a conclusion from his confused entanglement that the website is ridiculous for ultimately not stating what he claims. Colombianox is there anything we can do for you to simplify our discussions so you don’t get so easily confused?"

So let me translate it for ColombianoX.

JamieJ thinks you are a confused idiot.

Now was that so hard to say. NO need to rationalize it. hehehe!!

On a lighter note you are not really suppose to read the sells pitchs on those marriage agency web sites anyway.... just look at the pictures.

If you really want to increase sales don't spend so much on google advertising. Just steal TLCs' customers when they come to town;-)

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JamieJ says on Nov 11, 2004, 15:30:

Calipro While I addressed Colombianox I don’t write just for his eyes only. I want to expose the self appointed defender of Colombia for his disgraceful thoughts. He is more of an embarrassment to Colombia than a defender.
I suspect you are right he won’t get it, but I am willing to give him a chance to learn and change. Let’s see what he does with this.
Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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Atrevido (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 11, 2004, 16:00:

calipro says on Nov 11, 2004, 16:25:

Misery loves company!! "But back to the mail-order-bride topic here's one close to home: my sister-in-law lives over in Floraria (North Cali). In a neighbor house live three sisters. One went to a TLC party at the Inter and met a gringo who asked her to marry him. Well she's got a kid and besides everybody's dream in that barrio is to go to America so she said yeah! He sent her plata for a boob job which she had and more for English lessons and still more for who knows what but the kicker is she's being dropped off at her house every morning by a Colombian tipo with whom she's super enamorada and whose giving that boob job a real work out...and the fiance visa is on it's way!"

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And we have another miserable bastard portraying Colombianas as money grubbing whores.

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ColombianoX says on Nov 11, 2004, 16:27:

JamieJ,

“Stay Away From Our Women”

"It is this type of belief that brings Latin women running to American men’s arms. The women are not property and you do not own them."


When I say "our women", I do not mean it in that context, I don't see them as anyone's "property". I'm speaking from a cultural perspective. I mean that I see them as cultural sisters because Colombia is, despite regional differences, one nation and one culture, and naturally I'm not too thrilled about seeing my colombian sisters choosing foreign men over their colombian brothers.

“There's a reason the USA has the highest divorce rate in the world and I'm sure it's not just because of the wives.”

I was wrong, the US actually has the third-highest divorce rate in the world according to DK Publishing's "The Top Ten of Everything 2004" by Russell Ash. That's still pretty high.

The comment about the "non-nationalistic culture" was for Calipro. In the heat of the moment I got mixed-up.

As for my "self-appointed" title, I do feel that Colombia and colombian culture has to be defended, be it from guerrillas, narcotraffickers, corruption, the biased international media....or even colombiana-snatching foreigners.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 11, 2004, 16:41:

Oh give me a break. What is this cultural sister nonsense? You want some reality, Colombianox - here is some reality. My wife had resigned herself to a life alone with her three children living a couple of hundred miles away in the care of her mother while she worked six days a week to support herself and them. Where were your Colombian brothers then, Colombianox? They would have been perfectly happy to use her sexually but there was no prospect of marriage for her in Colombia. In fact she told me that her only hope of ever having her family reunited was in marrying a foreigner. My wife's life and the lives of her children have been immeasurably improved by our marriage and their subsequent move to the United States. How about giving Colombian women the right to determine what is best for themselves like adults instead of patronizing them in the guise of "defending" them? Or better yet, how about relating to people as INDIVIDUALS instead of as representatives of a culture, race or nation?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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calipro says on Nov 11, 2004, 16:46:

Look on the bright side. If it wasn't for the guerillas, narcotraffickers, coruption and the biased international media, even more colombiana-snatching foreigners would be going to Colombia.

Just out of curiousity why do you think it is that I have never met a colombiano in Colombia that had a cross word to say to me about dating all their women?

On a more serious note why don't Colombianos hate americans altogether? I mean we send money down to Colombia so the Colombian army can buy bullets to kill the Rebels. We send drug money down there so that the Narcos can give money to the Rebels to buy bullets to kill the army. Don't the colomianos realize that every bullet that kills a colombian in this conflict is paid for by american money?
Why don't they hate us?

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ColombianoX says on Nov 11, 2004, 17:14:

This is going nowhere. You guys know something? Maybe you're actually doing us all a favor. If these colombianas want to get out of Colombia so badly, then take them! We don't need people in Colombia who hate living there and who think that their compatriots are inadequate companions. Good riddance!

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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calipro says on Nov 11, 2004, 17:44:

Hey, 'Defensor de la Colombianidad' You can't just walk away from a fight like that.

I actually thought I had found a colombiano that thought his women were worth fighting for and then you up a quit on me.

I know it's tuff.

There are plenty of people out there like Desi and elmo that would rather believe colombianas are prostituting themselves for green cards than own up to the fact that many colombianos have failed their women.

But, I give you credit for not stuping that low.

Now give me some of that good 'ol colombian nationalistic spirt and tell us all why colombianos make much better husbands than say americanos and how colombianas would be fools to marry us.

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elmodefoque says on Nov 11, 2004, 18:19:

I don’t care if you guys (my gringo brothers) take all those Colombian broads, as a matter of fact I think you will give them a far better life than some low life broke ass Colombian. My beef with Colombian broads is that they never gave me any, I only got it after they found out I was a USA citizen. I feel like there’s a great party going on in my house but the Colombian broads are not letting me in, while guys from far away are welcome, what about m?. I can’t control the fact that I ‘m a freaking Indian but I’m a 6 foot big Indian modefoque, I grew up eating MacDonlds, Burger King and beef fried rice, I'm much taller than those Uribe colombianos and highly sought after by beautiful blonde girls. They could not get enough of me and the only broad that tore my heart out, to a point where I could not eat or sleep for months was New Yorican, but it was all my fault I was a shameless slut, I even try to bang a midget girl but chicken out at the last moment, I was one crazy modefoque.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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JamieJ says on Nov 11, 2004, 18:50:

ColombianoX “When I say "our women", I do not mean it in that context, I don't see them as anyone's "property". I'm speaking from a cultural perspective.”

But that is not how you speak why don’t you say what you mean.

“I mean that I see them as cultural sisters because Colombia is, despite regional differences, one nation and one culture, and naturally I'm not too thrilled about seeing my colombian sisters choosing foreign men over their colombian brothers.”

There is nothing “natural” about this type of thinking. Why don’t you judge and treat people as individuals instead of a herd of white sheep that must be protected from the black sheep coming into the fold. This Colombian culture you are overly proud of was here 500 years ago? Or did it mix with other cultures to become what it is today? And now it is perfect and you want no more mixing, is that the case?

"The comment about the "non-nationalistic culture" was for Calipro. In the heat of the moment I got mixed-up."

It appears the heat does not let up and you are more mixed up than you realize. Why would you let such trivial matters get you upset?

"As for my "self-appointed" title, I do feel that Colombia and colombian culture has to be defended, be it from guerrillas, narcotraffickers, corruption, the biased international media....or even colombiana-snatching foreigners."

You can’t “snatch” something that welcomes the invitation. Such women don’t seek your defense, which make you nothing less than an intruder. If I understand correctly you want to defend Colombia from Colombian guerrillas, Colombian narco-traffickers, Colombian corruption and a biased international media that for the most part reports on Colombian guerrillas, Colombian narco-traffickers, and Colombian corruption. Why don’t you give us some specifics of biased reporting and will it be any different than your biased reporting and the Colombian media?

“This is going nowhere.”

You want to defend Colombia but you’re not even able to defend yourself. You’re so use to dictating to women that the moment you have to explain and reason with others who don’t accept your machoistic opinions you coward off because what you speak off is indefensible. I don’t blame you for running it takes strength to admit and change faulty thinking and few are capable of such.

“If these colombianas want to get out of Colombia so badly, then take them!”

You still don’t get it. You don’t have the right to keep them or push them out. The fact that you ferment this envy in your head where it bubbles over from the “loss” of an insignificant number of women leaving the country is what you need to exam. The source of the “problem” is your self fabrication of the “problem” that is non-existent.

“We don't need people in Colombia who hate living there and who think that their compatriots are inadequate companions. Good riddance!”

What makes you think they hate Colombia? I have not met anyone like this. They may have specific dislikes but that applies to citizens of all nations. I’ll tell you what Colombia doesn’t need is narrow-minded, red, blue and yellow jingoistic who want to control others with their cries for cultural purity.

Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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kernow62 says on Nov 11, 2004, 20:41:

Jamie the website is well done, but please lose the no "right-click" option, a lot of people use that to navigate. If you are trying to protect viewing source code or copying any of those "beautiful" ladies photos it doesn't work in a lot of browsers so is pretty much pointless.

I had fun looking at the photos.

You wife is stunning, you didn't meet her in Baranquilla did you?

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Lionheart says on Nov 11, 2004, 21:36:

this topic is not a soccer game 2nd try again as elsewhere, logging me off when I respond

This thread has turned into a battle of people defending their ideas

I summarize 3 wrongs here ...

1st ...US men are not trying to steal Colombian women. Some US men see a Latina to better understand their role within in family. A tradition lost in the USA.

2nd ... some Latin women believe a gringo can respect them more than a Latin man. I hate it when all generalize as if all men or women are one way or the other.

3rd ... not all latinas are green-card-hunters, in my experience over 80% want to stay in Colombia and would love the man to death if he moves to her.

x - grow up ... you are a sore looser and a whiner, I see no proof in any of the insults you speak out. If you were a man you would have a woman. So you blame others why you can't get one? Go to a Colombiana as a humble man and promise to take care of her, she will marry you. Are you even a man? Online it is hard to tell. You sound more like a woman to me.

Please, other women here, this is not said out of disrespect, I enjoy your openess a lot ... I simply do not see X's point of view. It is simple to blame others for issues, but if I were a woman, I would not want him.

I would have breakfast with Diego ... snicker ... and I am not gay.

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DiegoDelNorte says on Nov 11, 2004, 21:44:

Gay Breakfast "I would have breakfast with Diego ... snicker ... and I am not gay."

I'm really not sure how to take this comment, but, OK, let's have breakfast.

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treeshark2 says on Nov 11, 2004, 22:00:

Hola Guys Poor old Treeshark still misses Caligringo but this seems to be a fun place too.
I just wish someone would open a Colombian restaurant around here, I really miss the Colombian food.

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Lionheart says on Nov 11, 2004, 22:50:

oooh Diego I cook breakfast, you serve the girls ...

no need to share them, but they will be back with many more

hmmm. do we wear aprons or not?

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caslug says on Nov 12, 2004, 01:18:

COLX u should... chill out. While we can clearly see that u r quiet proud of being from COL. U don't have to be soo hard headed about it, it's starting to sound a little fantical. Who care if a COL women wants to hook up w/ a foreigner, just like who cares if a American women wants to hook up w/ a COL. They are all adult(over 18) and can make their own decision. If u want to be w/ ONLY COL, that's your choice, and no one here is going to fault u for it. So why come down hard on people who's action don't even effect you.

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isaactraveler says on Nov 12, 2004, 06:09:

colombianox where do you live now? are you in Colombia or in the US?

anyway.... I know why I want a Colombiana.. because I love her.

I wont presume to know all the reasons that men look for women who ARENT from the US, but I know mine. Based on what I can offer, I dont really get the type of woman that I am interested in here. Age, looks, personality, intelligence, family ideals..my god, the women are fantastic in Colombia. green cards dont mean shit, when they dont have family in the US. Women EVERYWHERE are looking for a "better life". In their eyes, that is with an american male.

what I get here: 35-45 year olds, divorced, socially inepts, psychotics. Most women that age either already have children and dont want more, or just dont want them.

what I get from Angelica: age 27, beautiful, very loving, smart, fiery and loves her family very much. plus.. she can still have kids if and when we are ready. And as for the spartan existance I have here, it is luxurious by colombian standards.

Am I a deal for an american woman? hardly. but angelica thinks I can rope the moon.




PS. ELMO, I suggest you dont shoot yourself in the balls, but go ahead and have them removed anyway and then you have a change purse for when you go to the centro.

PSS. I voted for BUSH hahah we won! we won! sorry, so shoot me. I would also vote for URIBE if I were Colombiano.

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cintiamay says on Nov 12, 2004, 07:56:

Isaac,
Most women around the world would have had their children or decided they didn't want them between the ages of 35-45... That's not an American thing (although 2 women over age 57 here just had kids) If you haven't had any by,um, how old are you, then I guess you would have to find a younger woman to do so. Why didn't you find a Colombiana who was 35-45? Or for that matter, an Americana who was 27? Oh right, because you aren't a "deal" for an American woman but you are for this particular Colombiana. So that when she reaches 35-45 she will have had her kids or decided she didn't want them...

This is a very logical post.

Except for the part about Elmo. I think he's got enough machismo that if he did shoot his balls off, they would just grow back anyway.

Oh and I voted for Kerry and we lost... so can I shoot you???

=)
just kidding isaac!

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ColombianoX says on Nov 12, 2004, 07:56:

I actually live in the US (but I can't wait to move), so don't think I'm some poor, broke colombian typing away in Colombia. You guys all have your point of view and I have mine and since this is an english-language website and the majority of you guys are anglos it's only logical that my point of view is in the minority. I'd love for you guys to hear the opinions of other colombian men, but most of them don't speak english and don't visit this website.

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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utopiacowboy says on Nov 12, 2004, 08:16:

I have never encountered a Colombian man who had any problems with my marriage to my wife. None of them had any intentions of marrying her. As for your point of view, I still don't really know what that is. Lock up all the Colombianas? Force them to marry Colombianos? Or just get pissed every time you discover that a Colombiana making up her own mind about what is best for her and her children chooses to marry an American. I would say the biggest difference between us is I believe a woman should be free to make up her own mind about what she wants in life and you think she shouldn't. And that pretty much sums up why many women around the world would choose an American man in a heartbeat over their own chauvinistic compatriots.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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elmodefoque says on Nov 12, 2004, 08:44:

I’ve decided not to shoot my nuts off. I’ve been in a fouled mood since Bush won reelection and I plan never to ever visit red states. Maybe I’ll just get drunk tonight until I pass out, that will clear my head. Wish I could bang my young wife but her mother is there and I don’t want her to hear her daughter saying “por ahi no, me duele!” and me begging “solo la cabeza, lo juro”

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Munecabella says on Nov 12, 2004, 10:29:

Elmo! LOL Grosero!!!!!

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elmodefoque says on Nov 12, 2004, 10:35:

muneca, verdad que con solo la cabeza no duele mucho? most women complain that la cebeza es lo que mas duele. what do you think?

I'll get there, when I get there!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 12, 2004, 10:43:

treeshark nice to have you with us here. You'll probably remember me from caligringo, one of the two women there. Yes, this site is a lot of fun...and a lot of people from caligringo are active posters here, so you are not going to feel out of place:)

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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elmodefoque says on Nov 12, 2004, 12:35:

Mira muneca, what’s going on? I’m still waiting for your reply. Listen, nobody needs to know, is just between you and me. No me digas que nunca haz echo eso, que tu novio o esposo no a tratado de penetrar tu chiquito. Every guy at one point during the relationship wants that chiquito, is just part of the deal. Some women enjoy it, others don’t. If a gal does not like it is because the guy is not doing it right. The most important thing is patience lots of patience, y mucha saliva. Hell, I don’t like it one bit when my doctor sticks his finger up my butt, y yo entiendo que esa vaina es mucho mas grande que un dedo y tiene que doler como el diablo pero nadie se a muerto de eso.

I'll get there, when I get there!

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JamieJ says on Nov 12, 2004, 13:04:

kernow62 Thanks, I did meet my wife in Barranquilla, born and raised in that region.

Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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isaactraveler says on Nov 12, 2004, 13:26:

ELMO didn't you notice that the "doctor" was selling empanadas?you should be more careful about picking up your centavos when you are ENTAPARRADO.

I still believe you should go ahead with plan A and shoot them off.

and Cyntiamay, yes that was precisely my point. ;)

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