Great news!! Mexico, NOT Colombia, is now the TOP SUPPLIER of U.S. Drugs!!

lpdiver says on Jul 31, 2005, 09:46:

Precisely How is that great news?
Tony

"cook some rice!"

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 09:52:

I second that. I would hardly refer to this as "great news". Fairly twisted logic I might add.

ColombianoX says on Jul 31, 2005, 09:52:

It's great news for Colombia to no longer be the number one supplier, obviously.


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

lpdiver says on Jul 31, 2005, 09:53:

It's not obvious... to me. Please expound!

tony

"cook some rice!"

ColombianoX says on Jul 31, 2005, 09:54:

Let me guess, you guys are not colombian, right?


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

lpdiver says on Jul 31, 2005, 09:54:

I count myself as much Colombian as American.

T

"cook some rice!"

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 09:57:

Asanine. Your sense of logic here is still twisted aroud like a fucking Philadelphia soft pretzel.

It will be "great news" when the supply chain is broken, burned, eradicated and eliminated which probably won't be in our lifetime.

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 09:59:

WTF does it matter what nationality anyone is. This is not "great news" from any standpoint of nationality or otherwise. It's fairly simple to grasp.

lpdiver says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:00:

Mario Precisely, There is not one gram less of coke being produced, nor one less user. Colombiano is happy to take a as long as in isn't in my backyard, it is okay attitude. Maybe production in Colombia hasn't dropped at all and Mexico has just increased in order to get a slice of Plan Colombia?

I'd bet big buck that the colombian drug lords are operating the mexican infrastructure.

t

"cook some rice!"

platano says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:01:

ColX, Come on guys, ease up a bit on our friend, ColX.

I agree with ColX. This is great news for Colombia. Now everytime they write one of "those" articles instead of saying "Colombia is the world's largest supplier of cocaine" it will read "Mexico is the world's largest supplier of cocaine" and Colombia will not continue to be stained by being named again and again in an unsavory association.

Now on to eliminate the possibility of saying "world's largest producer" or "world's largest processor". Someday we will be able to say that too.

Plátano, el banano verde
Oxigeno Verde ¡Libertad por Ingrid y los demás!

plátano

lpdiver says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:03:

From where I Sit as a WORLD citizen it means squat. I love USA and COL equally but I repeat it don't mean squat!

T

"cook some rice!"

ColombianoX says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:08:

Thank you Platano for having to spell it out for these guys!

I'm sure any self-respecting colombian is glad to be free of that label as the number one suppliers of drugs to X country. But like I implied before, these guys don't feel that relief because they're not colombian.


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:11:

It was a Severely bad choice of words. This isn't like a game of golf where the lowest score wins.

I would love for the maligning media reports referencing Colombia to ease up. I contacted CNN after the Northern Colombia mudslide report which was online and tore them a new one because they felt compelled to end the article with more cartel/drug related bullshit which had no relevance whatsoever to the story at hand. Mudslides, destruction and death. I would love for this slant, bias, distinction to be reduced and ultimately removed but lets face the facts. Just because Mexico gets passed the baton does not make for "great news".

That's a twisted perspective.

Crazy4Cali says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:15:

Of course, you know what they say... #2 tries harder.

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:19:

Really? "But like I implied before, these guys don't feel that relief because they're not colombian."

Maybe it's more like we don't agree with your philosophy because it's not well thought out.

There are many layers to this issue and you're only touching the surface without considering the deeper aspects. And again, it has "squat" to do with nationality, Colombian or otherwise. (This perspective is very narrow as well). Drug supply and demand and abuse is a WORLD issue that does not change because the distinction of "top supplier" shifts from one nation to another.

ColombianoX says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:25:

Mario,

Let me ask you this. How many times have you been called a 'drug-dealer' for being colombian?


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:32:

Answer I've been asked "Are you running drugs?" "Can you bring me some Coke?" "How is the Pot down there? Bring some back". at least 20 times in the past month because I'm about to go back to Colombia.

So you think we non-Colombians don't have any experience with this bullshit but that's not exactly correct in reality.

I also have to consider my 14 year old step-son (after August 11) and the BS he'll have to deal with in high school here - and believe me, I'll defend him as if I were his natural Colombian father.

ColombianoX says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:44:

Mario,

I commend you for defending Colombia, especially since you are not colombian or of colombian origin.

But let me say this, just ask the colombians you know what they think about Colombia NOT being the number supplier of drugs to the US anymore, and I'm sure most of them will see that as a positive thing. I personally see it as 'great news', but who knows, they might just see it as 'good news'.

Saludes,

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

lpdiver says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:45:

My point is... That nothing has really changed. So the Colombian drugs are making a pit stop in Mexico? What the big deal. The world is no longer flat and two diminsional as was thought in the times of Chris COLOMBUS. It is 3D and has shrunk. It is this localized me first attitude that perpetuates the problem.

T

"cook some rice!"

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 10:56:

Yep Exactly T.

It has become part of my life to defend Colombia and to try and educate people who don't know shit about her other than the media portrayal. I am marrying into a Colombian family which is 100 strong, and I consider them my Colombian family.

As far as the adult Colombians I know - they are all degreed professionals and I think their viewpoint might reflect yours to some degree from a nationalistic standpoint but they'll also consider the bigger picture as some of us on this thread believe. To contain it as a big plus for Colombia, in general - misses the point.

juanalejo says on Jul 31, 2005, 11:04:

Good News Off course it is good news for Colombia, it is the proof of what so many people in Colombia have been saying for decades: to control the drug problem you need to concentrate on attacking the demand because trying the control the supply chain only opens the space for new players within this chain. So maybe one day the governments which put pressure on the supplying countries will realize that the whole strategy has failed, maybe a little late for all those people who have sacrifized their lives having nothing to do with that business.

lpdiver says on Jul 31, 2005, 11:09:

Juanaleo, thanks It is good to hear that the Colombian people agree with my viewpoint. However, this article and headline do nothing to attack the demand. Just the demographics of transporting the stuff.

Again,

Thanks

Tony

"cook some rice!"

BAQ says on Jul 31, 2005, 11:25:

Amazes Me What amazes me is that we (as Americans)seem to want the place the blame for the drug problem in America on the backs of Colombia and Mexico. In reality, America has no one to blame but Americans.

If we as a society didn;t have such a thirst for consuming that crap, there would be no market for it.

Mario, I understand what ColX is saying, from the standpoint that Colombians get the short end of the stick as far as reputation, and it can be frustrating. My wife is Colombian and I am assuming yours is also. Give it some time and I think you will understand a bit better. Being ASKED about drugs is different than a vail of presumption hanging over your head all the time like a dark cloud.

First time you decide to take a trip outside the borders of America with your new bride and you realize YOU can get into areas like Europe without a VISA but your wife can;t for the SOLE REASON that she is COLOMBIAN, you might think different. Or wait until the first time a police officer detains your wife on a traffic stop for an extended period while they do a secondary background check for the sole reason she is Colombian.

Just food for thought.

Semper Fidelis !

lpdiver says on Jul 31, 2005, 11:30:

How would a policeman... know my wife was Colombian? He only has right to ask for her drivers license, registration, and proof of insurance.

T

"cook some rice!"

BlondeJamesBond says on Jul 31, 2005, 11:57:

I believe this article shows that in the "biggest reorganization of the trade" Colombians are letting Mexicans take care of drug distribution to the U.S to a greater extent - probably because they are so damned effective and parties from both countries make more money this way.

Great news on the loss of label though - congratulations

Caballista says on Jul 31, 2005, 12:14:

ColombianoX Estoy de acuerdo contigo acerca de quitarse un peso de encima y poder dedicarle ésa energía a otras cosas mejores, que la vida ofrece, no únicamente tener que defenderse continuamente de los ataques a los Colombianos por parte de los "americanos", perdón, del resto del mundo. Aqui puedo corroborar algo: "de qué se trata para contradecir".
Si es en favor de los Colombianos, recibe crítica. Y estoy de acuerdo también que no es nunca lo mismo ser Colombiano de nacimiento, que por adopción.
Salud.
Martha.

Gomezman5 says on Jul 31, 2005, 12:18:

I'll check in for Platano and Cx I'll say this...I agree with all the comments at the beginining of the thread when you say that Mexico as now being the number one supplier is NOT great news. It's not. Mexico is our neighbor, our friend. But Mexico has done little to control the problem. Pres. Fox ran on the agenda of elimiating corruption. His accomplishments have been poor in that regard. "Me voy elminar curupcion" dijo' el when I was listening to him on Televisa. So much for that. The police there are far more corupt than Colombian police.

As to Cx's comment. You have to put it in perspective..We are talking about Cx. Now we all know that he has a tendency to want to put a postive spin on anything involving Colombia.. And that's ok because he kind does the oppostite of people who tend to be more critical of Col.(like yours truly). I am sure that Cx was not in any way implying that it was great news per se that more drugs were coming from Mexico. I may be wrong (but I think not) that all Cx was saying is that he is happy that Colombia is no longer considered the number one importer. If we did not know who Cx was, I think it would be easy to misunderstand his intentions. So, I will side with hin and Platano on this one, give Cx a break, his intentions were not as you guys origianlly intrpreted them..

BAQ says on Jul 31, 2005, 12:30:

Law Enforcement knows LP, am speaking from a bit of experience here. Law enforcement isn;t stupid. Especially in the age of the newer computer systems in the post 911 era. When you are stopped and checked via computer, they know MUCH MORE about you than you think they do. Am gunna be blunt, anyone who thinks that law enforcement is NOT "Profiling" needs a reality check. It is done ALL THE TIME, law enforcement was just gotten creative about how they do it so they can skirt the anti-profiling laws.

TERRORIST - What immage just poped into your head? Probably something like Middle Eastern male, between ages of 16-30, Islamic religion, face covered with mask. ect

COCAINE - First thing most people think of the the name "Colombia".

Thats what I was reading into the origional post about it being "Good news for Colombia", that in the future, when people hear the word COCAINE, maybe they will think of the word MEXICO and not COLOMBIA.

Just a thought

Semper Fidelis !

Colombiche says on Jul 31, 2005, 13:49:

aghhhh I just spent 30 minutes keying my thoughts about this...and I just lost like 5 paragraphs because of the freaking time out. I am too pissed off to even try again, I will do it later.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

DCShoeCo says on Jul 31, 2005, 14:02:

Right then, Colombia still produces 90% of the world´s cocaine, it just gets run through Mexico first. Big improvement??

Gomezman5 says on Jul 31, 2005, 14:12:

Colombiche....I cannot tell you how many times I have experienced the same problem. The easiest way to prevent that is to do your post in note pad or Word, and then cut and past. Of course before you paste, make sure you log back in to PBH.

adrimm says on Jul 31, 2005, 14:19:

BAQ Your point is a good one, as long as there is a market there will always be a supply. Unfortunately I very much doubt that the US media or leadership will ever adopt or proclaim that position. Much easier to blame problems on someone else.

adrimm says on Jul 31, 2005, 14:20:

Gomezman and Colombiche Time outs. Only happens to you wordy folks! Between the two of you, as well as Mrs. Gomez and to a less frequent extent Desi, I think you can lay claim to the "long-post" PBH award.

LOL

;)

(yes I've also been a victim of the dreaded time-out, but mostly becuase I am so slow to formulate and post responses. At least it is better than what it used to be)

Sylvie says on Jul 31, 2005, 14:20:

I also don't really see this as great news because this will lead to wars between drug lords according to a documentry I was watching on TV about drug cartels.

People will die. Mostly poor people with families.

Gomezman5 says on Jul 31, 2005, 14:26:

Yea I know adrrimm I know that my posts tend to be long. I often wonder if anyone even reads what I have to say. Actually, they must or they would not come back jumping on my case.

Sometimes after reading UTC's post which, on the other hand tend to be kind fo shor and to the point. He seems to get his message accross with out writing 10 paragraphs and 10,000 words

Sylvie says on Jul 31, 2005, 14:35:

GringoDeLouisian I actually think of Eric Clapton when I see the word Cocaine.

Unless your thinking about the Grateful dead lyrics to the song Casey Jones. :-P

Rubiazo says on Jul 31, 2005, 14:49:

I'll save my celebration For the day they finally legitimize the shit in the USA. Either that or the day the USA sinks into the ocean, whichever comes first!!

ColombianoX says on Jul 31, 2005, 14:53:

"There is no need to fabricate what is great news for Colombia! "

GringoDeLouisian,

Fabricate? So i'm making this up now? Here's the link so you can read it straight from the the source, The Miami Herald:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12266993.htm

"And, if this is great news for Colombia, it is not so great news for others."

Well yes, if I were mexican or chicano, of course I would not see this as great news, but last time I checked I was COLOMBIAN-(US)american and I'm coming from the 100% pro-colombian point of view, so hell yeah I see it as great news!!

"Let's see if I can remember correctly. Now, they (Mexicans) dominate Colombia in Soccer (Futbol) and drug distribution."

Your memory is failing you amigo, Colombia kicked Mexico's ass two weeks ago and eliminated them from a tournament where they were the favorites.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Sylvie says on Jul 31, 2005, 16:22:

*"Really, sometimes I think it simply indigenous and/or inherent to those on this board, about what you think everyone associates with Colombia, and maybe indicative of who you hang with and who your friends are, and that reality is different for so many others that will never be on this site."*

Excellent point. I find that it is typically ignorant people who have never been to Colombia that associate it only with drug productions.

I myself associate Colombia with dancing, hot men, getting drunk, and nursing hangovers with natural fruit juices.....I wonder what that says about me. :-P

BAQ says on Jul 31, 2005, 16:42:

OK Ok, try an experiment tomorrow, when you go to work, just ask your co-workers this question. "What is Colombia known for?"

Before I ever set foot on Colombian soil, if you had asked me that question, my answer would have been "Drugs and coffee".

Semper Fidelis !

Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 31, 2005, 17:03:

Here you go ColX Hate to wreck your buzz, but here's the statistics on cocaine production from the 2005 UN report on global drug trends. You can find it at UNODC.org if you want the whole thing.

World Drug Report 2005 Volume I. Analysis
1.3 Coca/Cocaine Market
1.3.1 Production
Most of the world’s cocaine is produced in the just three countries: Columbia (50%), Peru (32%), and Bolivia
(15%).

And, yes, the UN mispelled Colombia, too.

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 17:24:

When I think of cocaine, I can't help but think of a great friend of mine who moved into the North side of Houston and tried crack cocaine back in the '80's. He soon started to fry and I had to go up there, get him out of his apartment and move all of his shit into my garage while I dried him out in a spare bedroom for almost two months. He was close to being a dead friend. So that visual is the first to pop into my mind.

Rubiazo, I don't see why you are still in New York. You need to be floating on a raft somewhere in the South Atlantic like having your own little country and call it Rubiassland.

Losing posts won't happen if you regularly select your completed text of your message before you hit the button to post. If you get logged out, so what. Log in again and paste your message and post. Simple. I always do this on longer posts.

BAQ says on Jul 31, 2005, 17:35:

Texas TEXAS, ahh how I DO miss it. I LOVE living in Colombia but DAMN I miss the TexMex food and BBQ!! My wife got hooked on TexMex while we were back last Christmas. Now my wife is addicted to TexMex. WHY can;t people smuggle something USEFUL the other direction, Tex Mex and BBQ from Texas to Colombia!!

Maybe I could start a TexMex/BBQ cartel.

Mario, know what you mean about the Coke, during my career, I watched several lives distroyed by that shit. Honestly, I never felt sorry for the USERS, it was their FAMILIES I felt bad for, they were the ones that suffered through no fault of their own.

Semper Fidelis !

Gomezman5 says on Jul 31, 2005, 17:47:

The Suppliers ...There are 2 aren't there? Part of the problem here is in the word "Supplier" itself. I think that one could correctl presume that both Colombia and Mexico are suppliers in their own way. Aren't they? Colombia clearly being the largest Supplier on the Production side, and Mexico being the largest Supplier on the transportation side. However, even with that differentiation, I think it is clear, that if the Colombian aparatus that allows for the growth, cultivation, production, and distribution of drugs did not exist, one could safely presume that Mexico's distinguished postion of being the main port of entry of Drugs into the US would not be an issue!!


I believe the point of the article was to point out what the situation is from the trasportation side in terms of from what source/country drugs are entering this country. I believe someone already posted the reason why they are entering Mexico with greater frequency these days...much of it having to do with the fact that the water routes are better patrolled. I think a greater explanation stems from the fact that anytime illegal activity takes place, the entitiy conducting that activity is forced to have change its locations from time to time. When Florida was a principal manner of entry, they expanded their transportation routes to the greater Caribean are. Then they expanded upwards into the various Atlantic City. And Finally, the Colombians had little choice but to resort to the assistance of the Mexico as an alternative

My Prediction: As this area recieves greater attention from a law enforcement authorities, I think you will find that Mexcio will no longer be the number one source for the entry of drugs. However, given the extremely corrupt nature of the Mexican police and politicians I am not very hopefull that things will improove there in the near future.

ColombianoX says on Jul 31, 2005, 17:56:

"The news report does not say "Supplier" your title misrepresents the article."

GringoInBogota,

My title is almost the the same as the original title given to this article by the Miami Herald, a very respectable (US)american paper, so if you think there's any misrepresentation going on, take it up with them. Here's the link so you can see it for yourself:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/12266993.htm


Mr. Hollywood,

Don't worry, you're not wrecking anything. Those lovely stats you bothered to look up are only about cocaine, the article talks about several types if illegal drugs, therefore what the article says about Mexico being the top supplier of US DRUGS (not just cocaine) still stands.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 17:59:

You have to wonder about NAFTA and how much coke comes inside the legs of brass beds, etc. The increase of Mexican entry points aren't all about better protected seas, IMHO.

Once CAFTA is signed ? Who knows who'll wear the crown?

Gomezman5 says on Jul 31, 2005, 18:00:

Cx...I said supplier, that was the word you used in your thread Cx..the only reason I said supplier is because that was the word that I took from the title of your thread.

Rubiazo says on Jul 31, 2005, 18:10:

Mario FYI Crack was illegal at the time. A lot of difference THAT made in terms of availability!

santiBOG says on Jul 31, 2005, 18:55:

This is hardly good news. Unfortunately, the stigma of cocaine production will be on Colombia and Colombians for years to come.

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 19:13:

Rubiassho FYI - Crack is still illegal, should be illegal and will remain illegal. So sorry to disappoint you.

I was talking about what the word "cocaine" makes me think of in response to prior posts and your post has no relevance to that whatsoever.

A difference was made. The friend I mentioned has been clean ever since and is now a successful entrepreneur in the South Florida maritime community as a vessel craftsman.

Go find your floaty and shove off for the South Atlantic. My friend can build you a nice raft if you like.

Mario says on Jul 31, 2005, 20:05:

My fiancé just sent me this - on topic: Anyone who cares to translate it for the very Spanish challenged, be my guest. I can't do that good of a job.

NO MAS MALA IMAGEN DE COLOMBIA

Nuevamente vuelven a sacar una película en la que nos dejan como unos pueblerinos, atrasados, agresivos y malencarados. En Mr & Mrs Smith muestran a Bogotá, sin ningún motivo en especial y sin tener relación con el tema, como la ciudad mas horrible y peligrosa que existe.

Llena de gente fea, explosiones, música que solo los de Hollywood saben de donde salió, pisos de tierra, sin edificios ni lugares agradables y con carros viejos y llenos de marcas
de bala, con un ejercito malencarado y para completar,hablando con un acento mexicano que da pena...

Es hora de dejarle saber a los productores de cine de los Estados Unidos que en Colombia las cosas son muy diferentes a lo que ellos muestran.

Ir a ver Mr & Mrs Smith es aceptar que así somos y apoyar la mala imagen, es dejar que los de afuera crean que aquí no tenemos lo que en realidad tenemos y también es permitir que nuestra economía se vea afectada y que la inversión extranjera se aleje.

HAGAMOS QUE ELLOS SEPAN QUE AQUI NO SE VIÓ, POR EL TRATO QUE NOS DIERON!

PON TU GRANO DE ARENA. SI VAS, ESTAS APOYANDO A ALGUIEN QUE HABLA MAL DE TI Y DE TU PAIS. DECIDELO!

Por ultimo y por puro amor de Colombiano, pasa este mail lo mas pronto posible a todos tus contactos.

BxUnika says on Aug 1, 2005, 00:25:

Ave Maria, Pues... God, if it weren't for the fact that ColX is a homophobe, I'd say that he and Rubiazo should get married. They seem to have a lot in common. They are both anti-American huevones for one. Neither can understand why I think that of them.

ColX is a resentful, anti-American, hateful little boy who has yet to master logic. He thinks everyone in the US is a uncultured WASPy hick who is out to get him and thinks he is the spokeman for Colombia even though he lives here, was raised here, and other Colombians usually tell him to put a sock in it in the most polite way possible. He hates the US yet will not leave.

Rubiazo is an immigrant NYC transplant who not only hates the United States and would love to see it's demise, but he also hates New York and it's people. He considers himself an expert in all subjects often arguing with people who have much more knowledge and experience than he does. He also is married to a woman from the country he hates (American) while maintaining a relationship with a woman he met once and has a child. Meanwhile, he complains that prostitution isn't as lucrative and available in NYC as it was and wants the US to "sink into the ocean" because it won't allow him to lawfully engage in his two favorite passtimes, prostitution solicitation and elicit drug abuse. He hates the US and NYC yet will not leave.

Yes, these two are a match made in heaven.

elmodefoque says on Aug 1, 2005, 06:10:

I got all excited, I thought the great news was that children are no longer going hungry, homeless or sick in Colombia, that the middle class and elite stopped walking over a mother holding a sick child to welcome a foreigner. That Colombian women are now giving their dark poor ethnic compatriots a little of that Colombian love so they don’t have to resort to chasing burras around. Personally, I’ll rather have gringa loving, sorry my Colombian burras, you’ve been there for me no matter how dark or poor I was.

Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 1, 2005, 07:16:

No Elmo! Don't you understand that what's really important for the world is that Colombia is now only the 2nd largest gross importer of drugs to the USA and the largest producer/importer of Cocaine and Heroin to the US. See, that's important to maintaining ColX's sense of superiority to Mexico and God knows he needs something to feel superior about.

Forget about ending poverty or classism, at last, Colombia is only 2nd worst at one thing!

What's funny about the Mexico obsession is that most Mexicans simply don't know or give a shit about Colombia. The ones that do tend to idolize its outlaw history much as they do their own. But none of them seem to have a superiority complex about Colombia. That's why they have Guatemala to their south, to satisfy that need.

Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 1, 2005, 07:23:

Speaking of idolizing outlaws There was a blurb in the paper a couple of months ago...apparently some school district in Nothern Mexico was in hot water for teaching the students a song about marijuana smugglers.

Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 1, 2005, 07:25:

Why? Why were they in trouble? For not teaching them a song about cocaine smugglers instead?

It's hard to find a song in northern Mexico that's about anything but smuggling, or fights between smugglers.

Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 1, 2005, 07:40:

Yes sir Vallenato and Norteño basically address the same themes. Interestingly, both come from regions with a huge amount of northern-directed black market commerce.

Personally, I prefer Vallenato as music but they both have their charms. I also understand that there's a lot of cross-pollination between the two forms.

elmodefoque says on Aug 1, 2005, 07:42:

you are so right, mexicans don't give didly squat about colombia but yet i notice much dislike for mexicans by middle class colombians. i've been to mexico and let me tell you, they could laugh at our misery. i think it all has to do with them (mexicans) being mostly indians and we know how much colombians hate indios.

Rubiazo says on Aug 1, 2005, 07:58:

Somebody PLEASE lock this thread These personal attacks are getting annoying. I could really give a shit about what someone thinks of me. But when I log on to this thread I'd like to see some discussion about the TOPIC AT HAND, or if it goes on a tangent, at least something to do with Colombia or even Latin America.
And yes, I'm pro-prostitution and pro-drug and PROUD OF IT. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!! I don't engage in either activity these days but THATS NOT WHAT MATTERS. I'm very happy that possession of small quantities of drugs and prostitution remains legal in Colombia. And I hope they keep looking to Europe and Asia instead of North America as an example of how to progress.
Last but not least, anybody who lives in NYC these days and is NOT bitter really needs a wake-up call. I think Elmo rightly has a bone to pick with his country of origin for the way they treat their indigenous population, especially as it affected him first-hand. I would never slight him for that, because I have seen much of the same shit he talks about happen in Canada and I don't doubt him for a minute. But PLEASE NOTE EVERYBODY even he is thinking of spending part-time back in Colombia and part-time here.
I am very seriously considering moving away from this country. The main reason I have against it is I have two small children who need their father. I would GLADLY take them to Colombia to live without a second throught but their mother begs to differ, and she has custody (as she should). That is part of why we broke up. Even if that weren't an issue, I own property here, and am not a citizen yet. As a green card holder who spends too much time abroad, I could risk losing my status and being prevented by the assholes at US Immigration from entering the country to see my own two kids and take care of my property.
I don't know anybody in the entertainment industry here who isn't seriously considering a move out of the country. I know one person who is waiting until 2008 to see who gets in before making a desicion, but he is independently wealthy and doesnt need to work in the business to survive anymore. The rest of us are shaking in our boots, we could never have imagined things falling so far so fast!!!
I was originally considering Brazil as a final destination, but when I went to visit Bogota, I was literally blown away by the music there! Also, compared to Brazil, the Colombian economy absolutely shines, although obviously it is still several steps down from here in that department. Plus, Brazil as a country is much like Canada, absolutely drowning in paperwork, as I have found out doing research in the past year. And finally, while the music in parts of Brazil is no doubt awesome, it is all their own shit. Colombians seem to be above them in terms of being able to play OTHER people's music. I don't know which country is ahead in terms of songs about smuggling marijuana.
What I would really like is to see the US become a cultural center again like it once was. I don't have a problem with Britney Spears or P Diddy or any of those people; I just would like to see some Chianti for sale along with the Coca Cola. And if NYC ever goes back to being the kind of city that can produce the kind of amazing music it had been producing over the past 80 years or so I'll be back to be a part of it.
As for the rest of the USA, I always said i was moving to NYC, NOT the US. I always considered it a world apart, and a place where you could at least to a certain extent avoid the religious stupidity that dominates what passes for culture in the rest of this country. I have to say that for a Catholic city, Bogota seems a lot more tolerant of non-Catholic and non-Christian things than NYC these days.

Mario says on Aug 1, 2005, 08:21:

Lock the thread? Why? It's been a very good forum among the rest - all about Colombia, and I think every member here except maybe you would like it to continue. Whatever "attacks" you've received were coming to you in response to some of the idiocies you've spewed in a forum populated by U.S. nationals as well as Colombian, etc. If you want to leave the U.S. just do it and quit the wah, wah, wah BS that we've come to expect from you.

Back to the topic... some of the profiteers of the Colombian drug trade are in the news again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4733923.stm

Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 1, 2005, 08:29:

The UN Drug Report I glanced at the new report and the dot.com/consultant phrase came to mind - "The Colombians are eating their own dog food."



- The US, UK and Spain have the highest "annual prevalence" of cocaine use and the next highest grouping contains Canada, Colombia, Chile and Argentina.



- Counting the number of users (annual prevalence again), Europe had 25%, South America had 17% and North America had 47%.



- North America had "stable" consumption in the most recent report while ALL of South America except for Uraguay had "some increase."



- If anyone wants to see recent, detailed estimates for all drugs and across all age categories in the U.S., click here http://oas.samhsa.gov/nhsda.htm#NHSDAinfo



- Lots of statistics in both reports and anyone can find a nugget or six to fit their line of thinking.



In general, it looks like U.S. usage has declined significantly in the last 10 to 15 years and we are no more than 40% of the demand. That is still a LOT given our large population but it would be nice if some of the other large consuming countries contributed their fair share of money to the Andean Region. And if that doesn’t fit their national agenda or mores, maybe someone like Spain, Colombia, Canada, the UK, Argentina or Brazil should be the first large country to completely legalize!

Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 1, 2005, 08:41:

Tinto, please explain I slept through the dot-com era so could you please decifer the "eating their own dog food" saying?

Rubiazo says on Aug 1, 2005, 08:47:

You see? The Colombians are even starting to overtake the US in cocaine use! Man are we in some trouble!!!
:)))))))

vladimiro says on Aug 1, 2005, 09:14:

This post reminds me of another expat comunity in Los Angelas that I am familiar with (not-Colombian). They too are more concerned about prestige and image than anything else. I thought it was because they had settled in LA and were affected by that superficial culture southern California is famous for. But apparrently this happens with other expats communities in the US too.

I don't know but it seems to be related that most of the intellectual avhievements being made are being made by those living in thier home country, this, despite the fact that those living in the US have far greater opportunites, resources, and freedoms than thier compatriots back home.

Is this true of Colombians too? Are the major intellectual achievements made by Colombians being made by those living in Colombia despite the fact that the US-Colombians have far greater resources and are in a much safer environment?

ColombianoX says on Aug 1, 2005, 09:18:

"God, if it weren't for the fact that ColX is a homophobe,"

BuxNIKA,

So I'm a homophobe because I follow my religion's beliefs and don't agree with homosexuality? Then I guess according to you all catholics and non-catholics who just happen to follow their churches stance on homosexuality are 'homophobes' also?

"ColX is a resentful, anti-American"

I'm anti-american? Gee, let's see, I've posted articles about altruistic (US)american doctors who have gone to Colombia to operate for free on poor colombian children, I've constantly expressed my gratitude for Plan Colombia, and any time a colombian makes any unfair comment about the US system based on the rule of law, I call them on it. Once again, your assertion is ridiculous.



Rubiazo is right (and I can't believe I'm agreeing with him!), it's hateful people like you who just make one want to move to South America immediately.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 1, 2005, 09:29:

"stance" on homosexuality Here all these years I had imagined the Catholic "stance" on homosexuality involved a priest telling an alterboy to bend over and pick up the communion wafers.

ColombianoX says on Aug 1, 2005, 09:35:

"See, that's important to maintaining ColX's sense of superiority to Mexico and God knows he needs something to feel superior about."

Mr. Hollywood,


Your implication that this thread is about me "maintaining any sense of superiority to Mexico" is complete hogwash. If the article had stated that Peru or Bolivia were now the top US drug suppliers then I would have titled this thread:

"Great news!! Peru, NOT Colombia, is now the TOP SUPPLIER of U.S. Drugs!!"

or

"Great news!! Bolivia, NOT Colombia, is now the TOP SUPPLIER of U.S. Drugs!!"


I've noticed that every time I post a postive note about Colombia or the colombian people, you always try to contradict it, which begs me to ask the question, are you ANTI-COLOMBIAN?

"Here all these years I had imagined the Catholic "stance" on homosexuality involved a priest telling an alterboy to bend over and pick up the communion wafers."

So now you're offending catholics?

ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 1, 2005, 09:42:

Not either No, ColX I'm pro-Colombian and love Colombia. I just find that you're often extremely negative about Mexico and about Mexicans living in the United States. I also see that among many Colombians here in Colombia. Which is weird to me, and I can only attribute to an overall inferiority complex manifesting itself as a need to dismiss an entire other country and culture.

As far as the Catholic joke, no, I'm not anti-Catholic but I do have a number of friends who were molested by priests, so it's hard for me to take a Catholic position that homosexuality is bad very seriously.

Mario says on Aug 1, 2005, 09:45:

I don't think that's an offense to Catholics It's in the news, it's a fact. What other religion has had so much publicity about factual child molestations by officiating priests?

I'm Catholic, Catholic educated also and I'm not offended by this remark in the least.

What I do find extremely offensive is that a trusted member of the clergy, no, many trusted members of the clergy are nothing more than child predators who should be punished in the most extreme way possible under the laws of their respective countries.

bkelly says on Aug 1, 2005, 09:59:

Rubiazo is right... Some of the comments in this thread have been extremely offensive and obviously and intentionally malicious. With that said, many of the comments shared in this thread are exactly why I never want to move back to the United States. North America, the US and Canada in particular have fallen so far it is incredible. I went home to visit my family a month ago. I was shocked at the changes I saw. Americans and Canadians have lost WORLD perspective.

The whole point of this thread was for someone to share their point of view on an article they read, but all too many of you jumped on his butt for no reason than to be a pain. If you disagree, fine, but do it respectfully.

--bkelly

Mario says on Aug 1, 2005, 10:14:

Rubiazo is talking about himself, and he's fully deserving of what came back to him.

Miguel says on Aug 1, 2005, 10:38:

Nothing has changed Back to the original post from CO X...I read that article in the Herald early Sunday morning while crashing on the floor of the airport in Miami waiting for my flight home. Then I re-read it. I understand where CO X is coming from, but my take is that now we have a joint partnership of the clever narcotraficantes in both Colombia and Mexico. It's a hell of a lot easier to move "the product" from Colombia to Mexico, and then to the States than it is to move it from Colombia through the Caribe via Jamaica or the DR and then into the States. Colombia remains the number one producer and now Mexico is the number one middle man. Entonces, nada ha cambiado, ¿verdad?

BAQ says on Aug 1, 2005, 10:39:

Just want some I just want some good old TexMex food from the homeland !! Having lived all my life in Texas before moving to Colombia, I can say without a doubt Mexico DID contribute something Positive, GREAT FOOD !

Semper Fidelis !

Mario says on Aug 1, 2005, 10:45:

With all due respect I like Tex-Mex a lot but I'm afraid that the first time my soon-to-be wife experiences Tex-Mex she may be inclined to barf.

Colombian food is so good.

If I were like you, (away from here for an extended period), I'd be missing Texas Bar-B-Que more than the Tex-Mex. Can't forget the Cajun either but that's not so much a Texas thing.

elmodefoque says on Aug 1, 2005, 10:59:

Europe? Who the f--k would wanna live in Europe. If one day I was told by USA immigration, Hey! we got good news and bad news. Bad news, I’m no longer a USA citizen and my ass was getting deported. Good news, I could go anywhere in Europe. No thanks! send my ass back to La Guajira.
Hey modefoque how the hell did you end up in NYC?
It was not my choice, my father brought us here. All I remember was one day I was chased down for my monthly shower but this time they cut my long hair. For the first time in my life I looked “civilized� I looked like every dick head colombiano. I bet if my grand father was around that would never happen. A few days later I found myself in a cold ass New York City apartment, watching candid camera and 4 so called “long hair� British twit playing music on the ed Sullivan show. WTF was all these crap, I wanted to go back home. I missed my burra, I missed my buddies, I missed my food when we had some, missed the intense heat and most of all I missed my freedom, I felt like a bird in a cage surrounded by four walls, but all the change after I had my first gringa, then, f--k Colombia!! I’m never going back!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:08:

Sorry Elmo I do love Colombia and miss it a lot specially my family, but I like England a lot too. I am happy here, and I love the fact that I can flight just 2 hours and find a different language and culture, my best friend are British and I would not swap them for any Colombians friends and anyway this is my husband and children country and I love it too.

Chao X-)

calipro says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:09:

Lets see..... Sex with a burra.

Sex with a gringa.

Then sex with a costeña.

Yep! You're moving up in the world, Elmo!

Miguel says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:13:

Burra Shit Elmo Eh mi cuadro...vas a regresar pronto...tu opinion de la curramba ha cambiado...verdad? Modo...apartamentos en el norte en BAQ con 3 habataciones y 2.5 baños cuestan 15-30 mil usd...en Puerto Colombiaa 12-25

Rubiazo says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:15:

GIB That last post hit home. That is EXACTLY what is happening to a friend of mine. And the people who did it to him basically BROKE THE LAW doing it, and now he has to sue. He'll get his money but he's fed up. If you guys think I'm bitter I have nothing on this guy and I can't blame him one bit!!
I really think tying drugs and violence together makes no sense whatsoever- the massive amounts of MONEY that are part of the game because of its illegality I think are what lead to all the violence surrounding drugs.
Mario, frankly I don't give a shit about your friend. This is a Colombia board, not a your friend board. We're talking about an issue here, or do you really think it makes sense for a country to make laws based on the benefits of ONE person?? Personally I think if there were no crack he probably woulda been a gambling addict or a bingo addict or a sugar addict and you woulda had to pull his ass out of that too! Besides, making something illegal doesn't necessarily cut into its availability anyways.
I think GIB hit the nail right on the head. People should have the right to destroy themselves if they want to; their bodies are their OWN. No government has any business telling an invididual to not fuck his or herself up. Until we all recognize that we will continue to be mired in corruption, scandal, and hypocrisy.
Elmo, I have never been to Europe, what did you hate so much about it?

elmodefoque says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:19:

kat, that sounds nice but if we need to see other cultures, don't laugh, we got canada, they speak french too. and to the south i don't think there's another place more beautiful than mexico.

Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:22:

Mentira Elmo Elmo, my brother. I'm sure you've never even BEEN to Europe. What you really owe yourself is a trip to Scandanavia in the summer. If you think the US is a treasure trove of sexually liberated blonds, you need to see Sweden or Denmark. It's enough to even make you forget your beloved (in more ways than one) burra.

elmodefoque says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:26:

guys i don't hate europe, never been there but my dad was and he was england's number one fan, until we sent his ass over there and all over europe for a month visit. never asked to go back.
miguel, i left my place with my head adentro de mi culo, left my cell phone, my ipod and my wallet at home. i wanted to call you to see if you got back. i'll call you later, want to hear all about apts in curramba

Rubiazo says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:29:

If you go to Canada I would recommend you stay in the 'French' speaking areas for sure, especially if you are looking for sex, but also for the restaurants, the architecture, etc.
Just as an aside, my French and Haitian friends ALL have to speak English when they go to Montreal, because they don't understand the local patois there. I fell over laughing the first time somebody told me this.

Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:30:

Well then England isn't really Europe, and they'll be the first to tell you that.

France, Spain, Portugal and the before-mentioned northern places are right up your alley, though.

Mario says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:33:

Rubiassho... My friend doesn't give a fuck about morons like you either but he'll still build you one hell of a nice raft to float away on. I was on topic, it was about the cocaine coming from Colombia and its effects/repercussions on a personal level in the U.S. I also don't need to be reminded about the direction of this forum as you constantly deviate away from with your all so familiar U.S. bashing, anti-Christianity remarks, etc.

"do you really think it makes sense for a country to make laws based on the benefits of ONE person?"

? Where in left field did that come from? I only said that cocaine will never be made legal here, not in my lifetime and it shouldn't be anyway, much to your obvious dismay.

I guess you're on crack now but you can go ahead and destroy yourself as you suggest is your right to do. Damned straight it's your right, so good luck in all your endeavors but please don't decide to breed further.

Rubiazo says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:48:

I certainly DO think that is the underlying philiosophy behind much legislation of many governments the world over in the past 100 years or so. Prostitution was actually legal in most of the US until 1915, due to the actions of Christian fundamentalist lobby groups.

However, I totally don't agree with the underlying philosophy. To me, if that many people in a society are THAT weak that they couldn't cope with cocaine and heroin being legal, then it is a biological ADN spiritual imperitave that they die and make room for those who could cope. To me, anything good that ever invented, produced or created has been the product of strong-willed individuals. But basically all I'm doing is regurgitating Nietszche at this point :P

Mario, I take it back. You WERE mostly on-topic. Except for the one post about me building the raft. That was just an unnecessary ad hominem attack.

I don't understand why anyone would infer that I'm talking about my own personal life. I generally don't drink and don't do any drugs of any kind, except for caffeine and ibuprofen, and I'm really trying to kick both of those. My ENT specialist says caffeine dries out the vocal cords, not good. My position on the issue has nothing to do with my personal life, and I'm not personally suffering in the slightest because any of these drugs are illegal here or anywhere else. I actually tried cocaine once long ago and HATED IT. I'd never do it again because I didn't find it enjoyable in the slightest, even if it were legal and I were paid to do it!!!

Mario says on Aug 1, 2005, 11:57:

The raft comment Was on topic. You stated within the thread that you would love to leave the U.S. and I simply offered an inexpensive travel option.

vladimiro says on Aug 1, 2005, 12:21:

The comment on opium "I know opium isn't legal in the UK even though their government used to be the largest purveyor of it. And I doubt opium is legal in China. Could it be that some drugs are just too addictive and destructive? "

Opium use was legal in Iran when we were living there in the late 70s. Drug addicts could get it from thier doctor. Its illegal now, but I have heard that middle class parties in Iran usually have opium otherwise the host is considered cheap. Heroin use is high in IRan too (alot of them war vets) and said to be sky rocketing in Pakistan where they may have pretty tough drug laws I am not sure but even public hangings of drug trafickers.

Albatross says on Aug 1, 2005, 12:33:

Got Crack ? All of these personal attacks may be against the rules, but they sure as hell are entertaining...

Anyway, no time to write, I've got some serious crack-smokin' and raft-buildin' to do...

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

elmodefoque says on Aug 1, 2005, 12:38:

albatross, lol. i gotta go too, i'm in deep shit, tried to fix my wife's car and instead f--ed it up. hell, i never claimed to be richard petty or al unser or dukes of hazzards, or any of those red neck modefoques. chaoo

cali373 says on Aug 1, 2005, 13:35:

Great news? Well me being Colombian and sick and tired of hearing about cocaine when somenone finds out that I am Colombian, do not see this as good news. The raw material still comes from the Andes and mostly from the Colombian Andes. The only good news that comes from illegal drugs is when it can be used to actual medicinal purposes (whether legal or illegal). Even if you legalize and regulate it like other drugs (tobacco and alcohol) there will still be abuse by some individuals.


Another thing, being an American, it does not matter to me where it came from because the seller on the street is within the US. Knocking Colombia out of the picture just means that some other country will be there to fill orders for an obvious U.S. market. The fact that this is a losing war worldwide and all counter measures will never be truly sucessful. While Law enforcement is essential I am more interested in making sure that The people I care about are educated about the consequences of becoming addicted to these things, that includes tobacco and alcohol.

Smile if you are a thinker!

Colombiche says on Aug 1, 2005, 18:42:

Rumor Has It... That I am competing against Gomezman for the wordiest poster at PBH. Hey, we might be wordy but we are also in your face honest and entertaining ;) Maybe it is in the last name.

I read through this thread and saw a lot of comments where it was said that Mexicans don't give a shit about Colombia. I just came back from Mexico 3 weeks ago, and I had a lot of Mexicans commenting on the cocaine issue (because they knew I am colombiana). Waiters, bellboys, even the captain of the cruiseship that I took to Isla Mujeres cracked a bad joke on the Mike about Colombians and cocaine. Needless to say, I started booing, and actually got everybody else on the boat to boo along with me. He apologized and offered me a couple of complementary tequila sunrises. Don't mess with a chick that can stir the mob :)

I don't think colombians have an inferiority complex when it comes to Mexicans. I think it is quite the opposite, just ask UC about his wife.

Anyways, I am going to be brief, lest I bore you guys.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Aug 1, 2005, 18:50:

A little personal anecdote..... For those of you who never travelled abroad with a passport that reads: place of birth: CityX, Colombia. My passport is Canadian, but it reads Colombia as my place of birth.

I once travelled alone when I was 19. I endured one of the most embarrassing experiences of my life at customs. The goofball checking my suitcase actually decided that he was going to rummage through it. OK. Not bad so far. He then opened up a little bag full of personal effects, and decided to pull out one of my MAXI PADS in front of a line up of people. He took it out of the plastic wrapper, held it up in the air, wripped it in half. No white powder fell from it, so he shoved my clothes back into my suitcase before telling me to go ahead. I asked him if he would have done that to me had I not been a Colombian and he said "Probably not". What a jerk. How embarrassing, I am blushing just remembering.

Life can be rough when you have to carry the burden of the reputation that a few rotten colombian apples earned.

Colombiche
'Defensora de la privacidad'

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 1, 2005, 19:04:

If it makes you feel any better, I have an American friend who had the same thing happen, only it was her vibrator that the guy diligently searched (as in took apart) in front of a long line of waiting folks.

Since it was my comment about the inferiority complex I'll explain. In my experience the people who MOST spend time knocking other races or countries are the ones who feel insecure about themselves. So while it may manifest itself as what you might call a "superiority complex" the underlying cause is insecurity and feelings of inferiority. And that bit of psycho babble is worth every peso you paid for it.

Colombiche says on Aug 1, 2005, 19:10:

Mr H Okay, the vibrator definitely beats the maxipad on the 'Oso-metro'. I would have probably wanted the earth to swallow me if I was in her place.

You might be right about the inferiority vs superiority complex. I personally don't think anyone is better than anyone, but I know many colombians think themselves more sophisticated, more educated, and just less "primitive" than Mexicans. Their words not mine. I love both countries. Mexico will forever have a piece of my heart. Colombia will always have my heart.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Gomezman5 says on Aug 1, 2005, 19:15:

Hi Everyone........... I hope your day is going well.

I just though I would stay out of this one......


:) G5

BxUnika says on Aug 1, 2005, 19:25:

Mario and Mr. Hollywood Are the Voices of Reason Today Everything you two have said on here today is quite apropos. Somebody needs a dose of reality today.

As for Canuckazo over there...notice he got all defensive, asked that this thread be shut down? He tells people on here where to look for the best drugs and hookers and then bitches that people think he's a flakey, cracked out moron. Hmmm...

ColombianoX says on Aug 1, 2005, 19:39:

No pues, llegó la palomita de la paz, ella entra sólo a ofender a diestro y siniestro y luego se queja porque los agredidos se ponen defensivos!


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

BAQ says on Aug 1, 2005, 20:05:

Have you noticed Has anyone else noticed that on this thread, we have discusssed SEX, DRUGS & ROCK and ROLL? (Someone mentioned the Grateful Dead).

Anything else? hahah :-)

Semper Fidelis !

Rubiazo says on Aug 1, 2005, 20:10:

HAHAH Colombiche When you mentioned your last name, it hit me. I remember your face now, from the time Cali Alemán came to Toronto in 1997 right before I moved! I was (of course) playing keyboards.

BXLunica, When have I ever told people where to do for drugs and hookers? You have to PAY me for that shit ;PPPP And I never said I wasn't flakey!

And if any of you have a vibrator in your suitcase and someone thinks it's funny or weird, that should be THEIR problem, not yours. I understand that's easier said than done though, what with some ppl's judgemental attitudes. I'm going to go down to Colombia with a "Clone-a-Willy" kit, so that if anybody down there tells me to go fuck myself, I will be ready, willing and able :)))

Colombiche says on Aug 1, 2005, 20:17:

Rubiazo... I do have the same last name as Gomezman, but I don't remember being around for the Cali Aleman event...Where was that? Was that at one of the latin clubs? Did you meet a girl with the same last name as me?

Was she a cool, funny, charming, intelligent, pretty paisa? Cause if not, then nope, it wasn't me. Ha ha ha ha haaa!

Let me Know when Rubiazo y Sus Estrellas, starring Elmo on the Maracas and ColX on the timbales is hitting toronto, I promise I will be there for sure!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Mario says on Aug 1, 2005, 20:18:

Really? I think you should go for it. You're probably well adapted anyway Rubiasso.

Colombiche says on Aug 1, 2005, 20:20:

Come on guys Give peace a chance.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Mario says on Aug 1, 2005, 20:25:

He already said he's... He already said he's "ready and willing" to give his piece a chance... I encourage him to do so. The prostitutes he's hung out with probably taught him some things so what the hell...

Rubiazo says on Aug 1, 2005, 20:35:

I tried it For me, it doesn't hurt, it doesn't really feel that good either. Since you asked. So there. Now it's your turn!

The Cali Alemán thing was in the ballroom of some hotel on Dixon Rd IIRC. It was actually a beauty pageant, with representatives from each country's communities. Colombia came in third. I remember that event for many reasons. One of them was that everybody was badmouthing the girl from Colombia and calling her a slut, when I could see it was just sour grapes because she was by FAR the best looking girl there. Of course, there were tons of Dominicans there and they voted the Dominican girl in, although I'd have given her a 6 out of 10.

I bet ColX would cross the clave on timbales. :P

Oh yes, and the prostitutes I have hung out with have DEFINITELY taught me a thing or two. I'm much better in bed for having used their services. I find the fact that you think that something like THAT can be a put-down HILARIOUS! It speaks volumes about you on so many levels!!!!

Ok, none of that had anything to do with the price of tea in China! Time to stop even peeking in this thread.

Mario says on Aug 2, 2005, 05:38:

Hah! ROTFLMFAO - Big time!!!!!

That paragraph defined you, and you must've really been hard-up in need of some help if prostitutes can make someone "better in bed". That was outragously hilarious! They taught you how to treat a slut behind closed doors but you still know nothing about women. Talk about "speaking volumes"....!! LMFAO Again.... and then they gave you that Rubiasso! :-)

Must've been when you "tried coke and hated it"; the coke that came through the border before Mexico took the reigns from Colombia for getting more across the border...

quindioman says on Aug 2, 2005, 06:17:

i'm sure a ho can pass on a few tips....not those hoes that work in those establishments where they come knocking at the door after what seemd to me to be 5 minutes, but the hoes in the places where you can relax chill out and take your time...i attribute all I know about sex not to the women I have had intimate relationships with but that sexual fantasies book my parents "left lying about" when I was a teenager...nothing like a 13 year old trying to find out what cunnilingus is....

ontheRiZe says on Aug 2, 2005, 06:57:

NARj.

NARj.

Lostgringo says on Aug 2, 2005, 07:05:

A Canadian Colombiana needs a Visa BAQ If I marry my novia she cannot travel to the same destinations as me without a visa? I did not know that. I thought that once she was married to me she would no longer have to jump through all of these hoops. I know that when I go to Cuba I am issued a visa application to fill out on the plane and it is finalized by security at the Cuban airport. I my opionion this is just a matter of formality. I do not need a visa to travel to the US.

In terms of this thread "good news". I do not think it was started to take the situation in Bogota lightly. I think it was started with good intensions. There are some valid points, however brought up in the room. What I have observed through them all is a concern and love for Colombia...something to really celebrate. IMHO

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ontheRiZe says on Aug 2, 2005, 07:05:

final word That article means nothing. Colombia is still the number one producer of cocaine. It is just that now Colombians let Mexicans take the risk by bringing into the US. Mexicans make the best partners since they have the experience of crossing the border undetected. The Colombian cartels lose some profit but I bet its worth it!

NARj.

NARj.