Gotten mugged in Medellín

mranderson says on Jun 30, 2009, 19:15:

Also sorry to hear that. But I´m interested in more details. Knive, gun, fists? If it was a busy street couldn´t you escape?

The police station is actually very close to el hueco. I don´t know the address..only that it´s a few blocks from el hueco. Maybe like 5 or 6. Just ask anyone around el hueco.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Jun 30, 2009, 19:17:

What type of insurance did you have where they recompense you in Colombia, I know people who want to insure their laptops but insurance companies wont touch those policies in Colombia. What did they take and what are some details if you dont mind.. weapons, motorcycle? how many? etc etc Thanks

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jun 30, 2009, 19:19:

makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jun 30, 2009, 19:21:

sirwhale says on Jun 30, 2009, 19:43:

I was near plaza botero, actually heading that way to get a map from the tousit info there. Just one road away where all the compraventas are. I was walking down and had earphones that lead into my pocket when some guy grabbed me from behind and there was a slight struggle. I was shocked for a second before realising what happened, i checked my pockets and they had got my phone but not my wallet.

I turned round and saw the guy simply walking off and the first thing that came into my head was to get him. I think it was probably a bad idea now but at the time it was just instincts. As i got close a couple of his mates appeared from what i could remember and squared up to me saying things like ´´que pasa?´´etc

Thats when i realised it was probably time for me to leave, but luckily a policeman popped out of nowhere and asked what was up. I pointed at the guy (by this point the group were backing off) and told him he had robbed me (bad idea??) he got the lad but he´d already passed the phone to a mate. A large group of witnesses had gathered around us by this point but were too scared to back me up. The policemen simply took the lad off in one direction but didn´t really say much to me, only what sort of phone it was.

I looked around and the group of people basically told me to run. I looked at them for a second and they got really serious saying get out of here now before the rest come back for you... so I did just that. I got away quickly and got the map i wanted as its next to a police stand anyway, then just got the metro back to El Poblado and made sure no one was following me.

The ting is i´m not sure what the protocol is in that situation... I asked another colombian and he said i did the right thing telling the police. I´m sure it could have been much worse. I wasn´t really shook up, just adrenaline really. Its something i always new could happen and there´s been a lot of people in the hostal i was in that have been held up with knives.

I just wish i hadn´t been stupid with the headphones... ifs and buts.

My insurance company is travel insurance.... Nomads... I´m gonna have a go at it, but you know what insurance companies are like.

Does anyone know the road on which the police station is where i can go. Thanks for the help. By the way, it hasn´t knocked my confidence at all, i just liked my phone a lot. Ill be more careful next time.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Jun 30, 2009, 19:48:

Earphones?? They were looking for your IPHONE or IPOD..

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mranderson says on Jun 30, 2009, 19:51:

Thanks for the post and I think you did the right thing by telling the police at that moment. Again, sorry it happened.

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sirwhale says on Jun 30, 2009, 19:54:

I left quickly because I´ve been here about a month. I´m not sure what happens in these cases. The rest of his gang had gone down the road, the single police officer walked off with the one that grabbed me. The group of people were very serious about me getting out of that area, and as a sensible person I listened to the people that live there. I´m not actually sure what i would have done there anyway????? Just stood there?

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cableboy says on Jun 30, 2009, 20:12:

At least you got the map

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span_colombia says on Jun 30, 2009, 20:15:

sorry man, that sucks. I'm glad they didn't get more stuff from you. that does sound a little perplexing - everybody telling you to run. sounds like the police and locals weren't much help to you.

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billyb says on Jun 30, 2009, 20:24:

I don't see that he did anything terribly wrong either.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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manINred says on Jun 30, 2009, 20:29:

Sirwhale, I've gone through travel insurance and gotten claims back before.

All you need to do is go to a police station and ask them to write a report about the incident. They will do so in Spanish and give it an official seal, and when you make the claim for your insurance, send the police report along with the insurance papers and they'll reimburse you according to your policy, it's as simple as that.

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barrumundi says on Jun 30, 2009, 20:39:

Don't forget to call the phone company to cancel your phone.......or was it a pre-paid? The last thing you need now is a huge bill for all the calls to Swedish sex lines! No wait.....that would be Spanish sex lines...the muggers probably don't speak much english! Good luck!

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Catfish35 says on Jun 30, 2009, 20:44:

Makes my blood boil.....
Thieves...
No lower form of life..

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jun 30, 2009, 20:50:

Catfish35 says on Jun 30, 2009, 21:12:

Every one of these things are different. We can second guess Sir Whale and critique him all day.
I think the best thing to do is try and learn what we can from what happened so that if at all we can extract some intel and learn from it.
I say we plump SAPO up with some electronics sticking out of his pockets and various monies hanging out and prop him up somewhere close and see what happens!

Sir Whale very sorry about what happened to you. Most important thing is .....your still vertical brother.
Peace

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zenfist says on Jun 30, 2009, 21:44:

what was he doing en el hueco in the first place? que se busca por ai hmmmmm.

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cvivaspoorbuthappy says on Jun 30, 2009, 22:32:

Sorry to hear this, I think you did the right thing, I find that in Colombia, it is very easy for that kind of people to stab you and as I am sure you liked your phone you do like your life better, I would have run too. CV

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roccatanski says on Jun 30, 2009, 22:56:

"what was he doing en el hueco in the first place? "

People like this bother me with their blame the victim of a crime crap.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Victim blaming is holding the victims of a crime, an accident, or any type of abusive maltreatment to be entirely or partially responsible for the unfortunate incident that has occurred in their life. Victim blaming is a typical fascist trait,[1] infamously expressed in arguments like "a raped woman in a short skirt was asking for it". Historically victim-blaming has often emerged in racist and sexist forms.[2] It is also about blaming individuals for their personal distress or for social difficulties, rather than the other parties involved or the overarching social system in place."

"A man is defined by his actions, not his memory" ( Kuato-- total recall)

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 1, 2009, 00:41:

coastalad says on Jul 1, 2009, 00:57:

sirwhale,

i have made a claim through nomads this year while in Colombia. no problems at all, was very straight forward. They asked for originals to be sent to oz to which i replied that wasnt going to happen because i wasnt paying for the overpriced unreliable Colombian postal service. I provided scans and photocopies which were fine. photos were also fine as evidence of what was taken.

as long as you reported it within 24 hours youll be fine with your insurance. I was genuinely surprised at how little items depreciated over time.

always avoiding white picket fences

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august says on Jul 1, 2009, 01:00:

I don't like the blaming the victim thing, much less stating the obvious, but wandering around with headphones on in El Hueco when one is so unfamiliar with the area they need a map - that's not a good call man. You gotta move quickly through that place, especially if solo.

Then the next issue, cell phones are meant to be stolen. I get the sense this was not a 30k peso special - anything fancier is just crazy. In fact, anything you wear on you in the Centro should be steal-able. Just expect it, to avoid disappointment.

Damn learning the hard way.

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Elicolombia says on Jul 1, 2009, 05:17:

Christian!!!
Que triste que te haya pasado eso!!
Tu debes poner un denuncio en una Estación de Policía,
hay varias:
Estación de Policia Belén: Cr 76 # 19-45 tel. 3431796
Estación de Policia Laureles: Cl 42 # 75-09 Tel. 4112038
Estación de Policía Poblado: Cr 43B # 12-20 3125567
O en el Bunker de la Fiscalía Cr 64C # 67-300. Está ubicada en el Punto Cero de la Ciudad.
Cuando pones el denuncio, te ponen a narrar lo ocurrido, en cuanto estimas el valor de lo que te han robado, etc.
Al documento que te entregan, sacale una copía, y esa la envías a la compañía de seguros.

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mranderson says on Jul 1, 2009, 06:34:

"mranderson...et. all...telling the police then running?...well at least to the tourist stand...I know exactly where that is at...as well as the first chicklet seller is 200 cops and the one just beyond is 100 cops...so I am trying to understand the running after reporting thing..."

Azunoman yes. If there were several people involved in the mugging and the only police officer walked off with only 1 person then I would leave the area and look for more police. And if many locals are telling you to leave the area then you probably shouldn´t at least consider it.

Although usually the police are in 2´s so it´s kinda strange that there was only 1. Kinda strange that the only police officer just walked away with 1 guy. I would think if it´s only 1 police officer then he will have a radio and can call for backup.

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ratbag says on Jul 1, 2009, 07:29:

i know 3 different people that got robbed at knife point last weekend. 1 in belen and 2 in poblado

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 1, 2009, 07:32:

RRR....on personal flamethrowers too....sucks. =)

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AFEE13 says on Jul 1, 2009, 07:44:

Sorry to hear that sirwhale..El Hueco, from what I've experienced, is a perfect spot for these scumbags to do what they do. If you're alone, you're more than likely going to be targeted as opposed to being targeted if you were in a group. Do what I do..Carry a knife ready and protect yourself if need be, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Some may not agree but my life is more important than the guy whos trying to threaten mine. I'm a colombian american so when I go I definitely stick out as a tourist but I walk around confidently and I have caught people scheming on me and at one point in time I noticed a guy following me and approached him and told him I knew what he was up to and if he even attempted anything that he would be dead within a second..not a smart thing to do some would say but he knew I wasn't playing and he smiled and walked away. Be safe my man...Glad this doesn't deter you from living your life

Never looking back or too far in front of me, the present is a gift and I just want to BE

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ratbag says on Jul 1, 2009, 07:51:

`CARRY A KNIFE´..THIS IS SHIT ADVICE. that´s the quickest way to end up dead or in jail.

stay calm and hand over ur stuff and don´t retaliate..do that and u won´t lose ur life. the only people that get stabbed or shot are the heroes that retaliate.

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esanch36 says on Jul 1, 2009, 08:35:

Its not worth it to have a nice phone in colombia....it will just be stolen. Just get the cheapest most funtional phone. keep it simple

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mranderson says on Jul 1, 2009, 08:42:

Or have 2 phones. One being a cheapo for when you go to places like el hueco or go out to clubs at night.

Can you carry a knife in medellin?

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AFEE13 says on Jul 1, 2009, 08:51:

of course you can carry a knife and again..not many people would agree but I'm sorry...I'm protecting myself by any means necessary

Never looking back or too far in front of me, the present is a gift and I just want to BE

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 1, 2009, 09:11:

how about pepper spray, tasers, and personal flamethrowers (my favorite) in Colombia?

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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sirwhale says on Jul 1, 2009, 09:16:

When i was in Chile I was going to sell it, as i was sure it was gonna get robbed anyway. I never got round to. Luckily I have travel insurance, we´ll see what comes of it. Thanks for all the replies, I wish I´d known more about the area before going. It was actually some Colombians that sent me down there to find some cheap sheets for my bed... turned out abit more expensive. They didn´t say anything about the area but afterwards when i told my story I was given a lot of advice about moving quickly etc etc. Ifs and buts but lessons learnt.

BTW, I refuse to carry knife.

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esanch36 says on Jul 1, 2009, 09:19:

unless your trained to use a knife...dont carry one

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Aji1 says on Jul 1, 2009, 11:01:

I personally am from the USA...thus it stands to reason that I prefer to carry a tomahawk for all my personal combat needs...

I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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nine inch nails says on Jul 1, 2009, 11:13:

"Earphones?? They were looking for your IPHONE or IPOD.."

Yup. That's the 1st reason I wouldn't wear them in public the 2nd being situational awareness in that if you can understand even basic Spanish maybe you could of heard a clue. Not busting on you Sirwale, just my 2 sense (cents). And I really appreciate your post for the rest of us and very glad nothing else bad and you are safe.

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nine inch nails says on Jul 1, 2009, 11:17:

"Azunoman, I normally wouldn't advocate running, but if I am alone in Colombia and a crowd of onlookers tells me to run, I'd probably run. I would assume that they know whats going down, especially if I wasn't understanding it myself."

He was right for running. The locals know the area and they know what the gang is capable of (assassinations).

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nine inch nails says on Jul 1, 2009, 11:25:

There are times even when you play by the rulz you are toast so a knife is a nice little self insurance package. By all means until really necessary never brandish it but do close carry when in a hostile threat environment. I walked in a nice lady club Pereira and the bouncer confiscated my knife but gave it back when I left.

And also don't just carry it learn how to use. Before each trip I practive unsheathing a locking mine a few times (I have a nice Gerber quick flip but must be locked after opening to be functional).

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AFEE13 says on Jul 1, 2009, 12:07:

alas...NIN..you seem to agree with me..yah man, its rough out there and i will stop at nothing to protect my life if ever confronted by a street thug

Never looking back or too far in front of me, the present is a gift and I just want to BE

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esanch36 says on Jul 1, 2009, 13:10:

Afee what do you mean you look like a tourist? you look like a colombian. Or do you mean your dress like a tourist with your fubu gear. lol

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borderfox says on Jul 1, 2009, 15:14:

Jeez....sorry to hear this. Spent a bit of time round that area when I was in Medellin. Wasnt aware that this would happen in broad daylight (yes, i could sense that it wasnt the greatest of places...but I didn't think that this would happen). Not sure if the knife advice is the best....i think it depends very much on the individual. Its got to be someone who can use the bloody thing when the time comes or they will just end up in much more danger than they would have done.

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cvivaspoorbuthappy says on Jul 1, 2009, 15:51:

You will not be protecting your life if someone is (or you feel like is) following you and you turn around with a knife!!!?? that is calling for trouble. That is not a deterrent in Colombia, it is actually a trigger for the nasty sicario to jump on you and kill you. If he gets caught and is processed under the anticipated sentencing, he will get 4-5 years at the most and get it lowered to 1-2 for good behavior.... he does not care if he kills you, he will get out soon enough....

If you care about your life, run!! it is the most reasonable thing to do!

CV

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bam m says on Jul 1, 2009, 23:11:

why is this so strange....hell i get mugged every time i call that loser stock broker !! hahahahahaahahah

"i'm a professional invester"........hahahahahaaha that reminds me of

a stripper about 5 years ago that kept telling me "i'm an entertainer".....hahahahahaahhahah

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paisa29 says on Jul 2, 2009, 06:35:

Plaza Botero is one of the most dangerous spots in the downtown here in Medellín. I always avoid going over there.
Es mejor la seguridad que ser tacaños.

"Fill the earth with the light and warmth of hospitality" Conrad Hilton

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kenblanquito says on Jul 2, 2009, 11:20:

Too touristy to go there alone, especially when relatively new to the country.
My first visit to Medellin in 2000 with wifey: I was always accompanied by at least 4 other family members, especially in the obvious tourist traps like Plaza Botero, Pueblito Paisa and the Botanical Gardens, which I really appreciated at the time when I was told why.
Really, this site could be used in a more productive manner than it is for certain things. New person arrives in city X, can anybody spare a little time to show me around a little and improve my streetwise instincts. Not meaning let us get drunk in Lleras together either! I am sure that the number of bad incidents involving foreigners would decline rapidly if experienced members were to help out. With the same nationality/first language as the newbie, but at least having acceptable Spanish too.

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mranderson says on Jul 2, 2009, 11:31:

Good idea ken. How much can I charge for that service?

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kenblanquito says on Jul 2, 2009, 11:51:

mranderson
The idea is not to charge, just to help a fellow human. Not sure if you are taking the pee or not but I would consider it if I felt the person was worthy and OK. It is not much to ask when the donor of the help is semi/fully retired is it?

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 2, 2009, 14:00:

PBH BIg Brother/Sister Program........jajajajja.....PBHBB/SP Motto: "Let US take you for a ride....!" .....jajajjaja

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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mranderson says on Jul 2, 2009, 16:06:

Sorry kenblanquito but i´m flat broke. I don´t have a free afternoon to show someone around unless I can put a few pesos in my pocket. I wouldn´t charge much, enough to take my wife out for a few beers and maybe a sandwich.

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disabledreverendusaf says on Jul 2, 2009, 16:12:

Pardon me for asking but this jeff8875 is he not the same braggart that claimed to be a federal officer ????????

now he is explaining how to break the law and conceal an ileagal weapon...........................Disgraceful and disturbing behavior at best.

http://puracolombia.ning.com/forum/topics/bored-old-ladies

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disabledreverendusaf says on Jul 2, 2009, 16:14:

Medellin Executive Suites (newbie) says on Jul 2, 2009, 12:05 (today): flag

I am no expert but after 6 years in Colombia and having invested in realestate, construction and several succesful business ventures I know a little bit,



Are you one of those realestate guys that are in medellin ??

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disabledreverendusaf says on Jul 2, 2009, 16:17:

mr anderson

you should start a service and help these newbies find their way around Colombia

http://puracolombia.ning.com/forum/topics/bored-old-ladies

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disabledreverendusaf says on Jul 2, 2009, 16:39:

do you live in Medellin rumron

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disabledreverendusaf says on Jul 2, 2009, 16:44:

the view can always be changed with hope and faith

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king says on Jul 2, 2009, 22:31:

hey everyone, 1st post for me on this joint. Pretty cool site you've got going.

Last time I was in colombia I did carry I knife, just incase it was needed. The problem is that everyone else does too. Next time I go back I'm not sure I'll buy one,The reason being that in April my mate who I lived with there for 8 months, and who helped me out when people were trying to stitch me up, was stabbed and killed in Suba. Even though my reason for having it is different and I'd be using it to protect against muggers it still feels wrong because of how he was killed.

q descanse en paz amigo

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guapochino007 says on Jul 3, 2009, 02:04:

oh man.. sorry to hear about that ... hope you are okay..

----Ok, call me conceited or whatever you like... lets not talk about my PBH account name... LOL---

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lpdiver says on Jul 3, 2009, 12:54:

tu dar papaya???

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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sirwhale says on Jul 3, 2009, 16:00:

I´m just not sure I´ll ever understadn anyone who carries weapons with a high potential to kill. If you get it out and use it, you´re probably going to kill someone. Is that really what you want? Maybe you don´t see it from the side of taking a life, but you have to think about the time in prison once you´re caught, or the possible backlash from the victim´s friends. Eitherway i find it hard to see why its benficial.

I like your belt idea, that why you can give someone a good claught without endangering their life too highly. Why not stick to that? unless you have baggy jeans of course.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 6, 2009, 08:19:

PBH is representative of the world we live in.....one big dysfunctional family, we are.......=)

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 6, 2009, 08:35:

sure, lets make it Utopia, ok? oh wait, Brad may be in Phase 3 by then...

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 7, 2009, 18:21:

Knock Knock!!! Can El Sapo come out and play tonight??......jajajjajaj

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 7, 2009, 18:53:

damn, this place has cucarachas and ST stained linen sheets.....fock me! jjajjaj..at least RAAAYS dog didnt take a dump on this bed...jajajjaja...on my way.....

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Rocco81 says on Jul 8, 2009, 11:35:

Oye these are the good old threads that I miss so much ! Welcom back Simon, you've been missed.

All this talk of protection and self defense is interesting. Anybody anywhere can be a victim and of course sometimes shit happens to good people. Azunoman and some of the others were on to something though and that is the fact that probably 50% of the time as a foreigner and probably 90% of the time as a local, when you are attacked or mugged you are probably somewhere doing something you might not aught to be doing. Not saying that being out partying or getting hookers is deserving of a mugging, but you have to know what and who you are going to be associating yourself with.

Aways first defense is your head. Look around and know your surroundings. Anybody who knows anything anywhere will tell you its best to avoid bad situations. If you see one coming or think its coming, then do what you can to mount your attack and get out or better just remove yourself from the situation.

Question: I mean to the guys who carry knives, have you ever cut a person? Have you ever even cut an animal up? Have you ever seen yourself bleed and realize the shock that goes with it? Just a few things you guys need to consider is all. A knife is a very close and personal weapon to use and really its best used offensively (Again you would still need to be pre-emptive and with being pre-emptive you have the option of avoiding the encounter or running as stated before) Unlike a gun where you can hold people off or shoot from a safe distance, a knife you have to be close and this allows you to also be hit, kicked or stabbed by the attacker or in this case, his numerous accomplices. Once you've upped the ante with a knife then you shouldn't be surprised when they do more than just smack you around in the end.

Sic semper tyrannis

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Rocco81 says on Jul 9, 2009, 10:30:

At Mongo & Jeff...

I think we all agree on bieng armed. I own weapons too, I am also all for using deadly force and I am 100% for going forward and attacking first when needed. Knives I do not rule out, but as an overall recommendation for using against a mugger for self defense I am not a fan.

Again if we are talking about someone popping up on you unexpected then they already got the jump on you. They have the upper hand. Had you been aware you might have seen it coming. Had you been pre-emptive you might not have gone down that street alone, might have noticed the body language the unwarranted smile the extra cues that you notice which aren't normal. That is what I am saying. Even with your weapon it does no good in your pocket while someone is creeping up on you. You still need to have the upper hand and be ready to wield it.

So take away the "Rambo's" of the world who are very crafty with a knife. Then what? What about a young girl, an older person, a sickly person. They all still have a mind and awareness. But, they do not have the power or stamina or constitution for a fuckin knife fight. Prisoners don't even knife fight. This is not westside story. When they see a knife or shank they usually run when it is an option. So, my point is unless just waved around for a threat (usually the case) knives are used as a killing tool and usually used best by surprise. Ask anyone about that.

Hey but more power to you. If you are gung ho..if you are really good with a knife then by all means use a knife.

Sic semper tyrannis

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lpdiver says on Jul 10, 2009, 12:13:

That works in the bedroom.

ts

Remember what the monkey says, "Fuck money it's free"

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PoorButHappy says on Jul 10, 2009, 16:23:

i just spent half a day in el hueco and not a problem to be found. it's not my first visit there and definitely not my last, actually been down there over a half dozen times. i believe there might be something missing to this story. maybe the op can give more details as to his location etc. there are always tons of people walking about and not once have i encountered anything like the op has stated happened. maybe it's because i'm 6' 2" and 260 lbs and the op is 5' 7" and 140 lbs i really don't know.

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davidslc46 says on Jul 10, 2009, 17:33:

maybe it's because i'm 6' 2" and 260 lbs and the op is 5' 7" and 140 lbs i really don't know.

Duh,

You think maybe

David

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