Gomezman5

Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 13, 2006, 09:21:

*****Group Hug, Group Hug, Group Hug***** Cant always judge a book by its cover.......

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel says on Dec 13, 2006, 09:48:

G5 Has his opinions, that we agree with or don't agree with. His basic fault is that he is a Cubs fan, but his Bears might win the Super Bowl.

There are certain posters that attack him in stupid freakin Spanglish that makes me want to puke.

I rest my case y "a mí me importa un JOPO"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 13, 2006, 10:26:

Two Comments: 1. whats this have to do with Colombia?

2. Have you opened up a can of worms! jajaja....


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 13, 2006, 10:35:

Maybe we can invite Dr Phil to psychoanalyze G5?? I would be willing to pay to hear that! Maybe, a PBH PPV short story? =)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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webmanco says on Dec 13, 2006, 10:39:

GM5 Es un incha de radio. :)



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...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 13, 2006, 11:16:

Kalder.....First Thank You Let's take this guy named Rubito. Isn't this strange Kalder? Even after you sort of admonish people about attacking me for controversial opinions, Rubito here starts attacking me.

**I'm an ehtnocentrist
**My trust in the US system is unfounded
**I have tunnel vision (I have a narrow way of looking at things)
**I try to make the world view the gospel

Now Kalder, I ask you....is there anything .....anything in the above post that takes issue per se with what my opinion is on a given subject? Nothing....absolutely nothing. And by the way, this escapes moderation all the time. When moderation lets this slip by, as intellegent as these people are, they simply don't understand the long term affect it has on people like you, myself and others....many others.Most just leave. I'll never forget a guy named Franzn...he stuck around....until one day he just let go and said, cancel my account but you're all a bunch of MFs. Whether the account was cancelled or not, I don't know. But he did leave.

What moderation cannot understand is that when you ignore this stuff, you chase people away that can contribute so much. Kalder there have been dozens of people that have come here......but stay only briefly, and then, after enduring the same nonsense....they leave. Moderation does not care....They really don't. They are perfectly content in allowing the Rubito's, Simons, juanalejos, to come on here and make personal attacks and do nothing.. zero to stop it. Hell, this character Juanalejo wrote directly in his post, "I dislike you." Uh...excuse me, what happened to the "No personal attack rule?" Now that was not a screaming call for moderation to act in some way what was? Did Tinto, Peter or Desi do anything.....? Nope...they let is slide....even after I called it to their attention.

So what is this crap about no personal attacks? I'll tell you what it is. The stadards.....the "bar" if you will, is raised quite a bit for those that don't follow the company line. You are far more vulnerable if you don't sing praises to Colombia and join the Go Go Colombia squad. Yet, moderation does not get it. Peter does not seem to care either. There is nobody that can tell me that this site offers civil debate when it comes to viewing things in Colombia. God forbid you ever site the State Department's travel advisory. You should here the silly and absurd arguments attacing the advisory. Hey Kalder, I know when my argument sound better than some of their silliness, and that is when they have nothing substantively to attack me on, and the only thing left for them to hit me with is how bad my spelling is. Talk about cheap shots. BTW, isn't that a personal attack also?????And moderation? Yea sure.

This site is nothing more than a social club. I have often said it is an extension of Colombia's bureau of Tourism. That's it....nothing more. Oh sure, if you want info on hotels, and food, and alike, you can find it here. So, I am not saying the site is worthless. But Kalder for all the goofy people that tell you that you should not believe the travel advisories......consider this: Who do you think the people are that praise Colombia the most? I'll tell ya. It's the
American people who but for the fact that they have married a Colombian, or are about to marry a Colombian, or are going to Colombia for ...uh hum "fun", these people would have about as much interest or knowledge about Colombia as a guerilla would with a strand of pearls. The other group of people who speak highly of Colombia and get angry at Americans who speak frankly about Colombia, are Colombian people themselves, who easily get offended when another, person, especially a fellow Colombian like myself, speaks in a negative manner about Colombia. I'm unfaithfull.....no patria.....and shame on me.

So now you have it Kalder. But the real tragedy is this, so many people who offer contrary but nevertheless valuable view will come and go, and lively debate will never take place. I call it a tragedy. I think moderation and the majority of people on the forum say........."Good bye, and good ridence"

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 13, 2006, 11:50:

I feel that you have a rather distorted idea of what the moderation here is all about, Gomezman. We're not here to make everybody like you; you'll have to do that job all by yourself. We can't make everybody agree with you either; people are free to discuss your faith in USA vs. your lack of faith in Colombia. I will keep people from calling you names, ad hominem attacks and slanderous remarks but in general, unless they get nasty I'll just read and monitor the thread. Your opinions, your asessments and your arguments are debatable, Let's just abstain from getting personal, all of us.

Cheers,
Desi
«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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juancegomez says on Dec 13, 2006, 12:08:

Well... As far as I'm concerned, many of Gomezman5's posts, all other considerations aside, do contain useful information that contributes to enriching the discussion. I don't necessarily agree with G5's opinions on all subjects either, but I try to respect his freedom of expression and treat him cordially. Sometimes the debates between him and his harsher critics do get a bit personal though, I can't deny it. Hopefully that can and does change for the better.

As for the U.S. advisory, it's definitely not unjustified at all, but it does try to cover as many fields as possible in order to reduce most potential risks. In other words, the advisory wants American citizens to take as few chances as possible, period, and maximize their own security irrespective of any other concerns. Which is a logical objective, for an advisory, but is not strictly necessary all of the time in every single circumstance. Colombia can often be a dangerous place, but there are very different degrees of danger in it, depending on the time, location, context and simple luck.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 13, 2006, 12:16:

My guess is that Kalder = G5

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goin_south says on Dec 13, 2006, 12:33:

Aun...miguel "Tengo mucha compasión para el loro."

Ciao! Gustav.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 13, 2006, 12:37:

Desi.....pardon me...but What in God's name are you talking about. Who ever asked to be liked. Come on now.....you are reading beyond what I or kalder said. Don't ya
think. Is that the message you think that is being sent?

The issue as to whether or not Juanalejo likes me.....is N O T what is at stake here. The issue.....and the only issue is whether or not that is a personal attack coming from someone who is supposed to be debating the issue in the thread. What part of that don't you understand? If you are saying that it is acceptable for people to tell others that they don't like you, and that moderation need not have to intervene for violating the rules prohibiting personal attacks, then you and I have a very different definition of what a personal attack is. Absent using a four letter word directing it at someone, how much more personal can one be?

Desi....just back out of this one OK.....because what your saying just does not make sense. Don't go searching in vain ....especially by reframing the issue making it seem that I am complaining about people liking me. You know what is at stake and you know what the issue is. You are a moderator now, so people are not going to buy into your line of thinking. Let the others put spin on things will ya please? There are plenty of other spinmeisters who can do the work for you, and you can just sit idle and be a passive obsrver.

Bottom line Desi..There is a difference between complaining about personal attacks, even one where one says they don't like you, and actually complaining that people don't like me. Do you see the differnece? Give me a break.........

Juancegomez.........I can never recall a time when you have been anything less than polite with me. I take no exception with you at all.

Hollywood, you lived in Hollywood too long....and of course your point is illogical in that I have been here for two years. Things have always been the same here for me. If I was going to create a character,,,,,in support of myself, I would have done so a long time ago. Don't ya think? Also, have I ever inferred that I seek assistance from anyone in expressing my point of view?

No rethink that comment and try to come up with some logical argument that would cause me to creat another character at this late of date?
It only reflects on you buddy....only on you.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Dec 13, 2006, 12:43:

I dont see "i dont like you" as a personal attack, but i do see juanbapadillos comments to G5 as out of line....one is stating how one feels about another poster versus the actual words used by jbp........like apples and oranges....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...Listo!! Libertad!!!...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 13, 2006, 13:13:

G5 Last time you said I had lived in Colombia too long to understand the US. Now I've lived in "Hollywood" too long? Like I said, "My guess", no more no less. Does your Chicago office have a nice view of the Calder sculpture?

By the way, you're a lawyer, you should know that less is more with arguments, so why the 1,000 word posts?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 13, 2006, 13:25:

Gomezman, just quit mentioning the moderators not doing their jobs in every thread and I'll be happy to leave you alone,

Cheers,
Desi

«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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goin_south says on Dec 13, 2006, 13:40:

repeating Elmo: Que sera, sera...

Ciao! Gustav.

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Swinn88 says on Dec 13, 2006, 13:48:

I think G5 has made some Valid points. I have observed threads and it seems as if he is just saying be truthful. It's not a case of having faith in the U.S.A and no faith in Colombia. Many people on this site bash the hell out of anyone that does not glorify colombia as the paradise of all paradises. Almost to the point of being a cult. there are also many colombians that live a good life in the U.S.A and have no intentions of ever returning to colombia to live. It does not mean they have no Faith in Colombia it simply means that they think they have found some place better to live, raise children. Kind of like Arthur Brode. He has found a better life in Colombia and bashes the hell out of the U.S.. However G5 doesn't bash Colombia he merely ask us to see what is actually happening. The truth is that we all know that if Colombia were such a Shangri-La then the people would not be clammoring in droves to live a better life in Europe and the U.S. amongst other Countries. I love Colombia and The U.S. and both have some serious faults. But I think G5 is the balance that keeps some of us from leaning into thinking that Colombia is some sort of utopian society. It is a beautiful place but not perfect. A great Place to live if you have grown up and lived a life in the u.s. or Europe and wish to retire with a ready income Like a pension or if you are young or older and wealthy by whatever means. I say keep it up G5. I personally like what you have to say. It's a welcome break from listening to infallible Colombia is.

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Swinn88 says on Dec 13, 2006, 13:48:

I think G5 has made some Valid points. I have observed threads and it seems as if he is just saying be truthful. It's not a case of having faith in the U.S.A and no faith in Colombia. Many people on this site bash the hell out of anyone that does not glorify colombia as the paradise of all paradises. Almost to the point of being a cult. there are also many colombians that live a good life in the U.S.A and have no intentions of ever returning to colombia to live. It does not mean they have no Faith in Colombia it simply means that they think they have found some place better to live, raise children. Kind of like Arthur Brode. He has found a better life in Colombia and bashes the hell out of the U.S.. However G5 doesn't bash Colombia he merely ask us to see what is actually happening. The truth is that we all know that if Colombia were such a Shangri-La then the people would not be clammoring in droves to live a better life in Europe and the U.S. amongst other Countries. I love Colombia and The U.S. and both have some serious faults. But I think G5 is the balance that keeps some of us from leaning into thinking that Colombia is some sort of utopian society. It is a beautiful place but not perfect. A great Place to live if you have grown up and lived a life in the u.s. or Europe and wish to retire with a ready income Like a pension or if you are young or older and wealthy by whatever means. I say keep it up G5. I personally like what you have to say. It's a welcome break from listening to how infallible Colombia is.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 13, 2006, 14:00:

One problem Desi Since I am the subject of this thread, and he was both kind as well as courageous enough to speak, I'll address the issue he complains of.

As far as the moderators doing their job......in this sense, they don't. You or nobody else bothers to think about all the people who have let this board because it is so....slanted one way. But then again, you guys just don't care. If people leave because you let the other clowns run roughshod over people...it's like oh well?? I'm not going to stop complaining if something is true. Heck, I still never got a direct answer as to why you allowed a guy to express his personal (remember that word "personal")remarks....insults...comments ..... etc etc? Hell, you can't even answer the question. No, I'm sorry, you did. You told me you happen to agree with Juanalejo and his theory about things...That about explains it. And again Desi, like I said the other day, if you are going to address what a write, address what I write. Don't address things that I never complained about and that is whether I am worried if people like me or not....That is demurring the real issue.

Hollywood.....I've won many a cases be bombarding them with so much paperwork, the other party just ended up capitulating or running for cover. You have your professions confused......more is NEVER less in the law. Heck only a month ago did I get a guy out of a contract he had signed that was subject to attorney appoval. He came to me and told me he changed his mind and wanted out of the deal. I said fine, the contract allows you 5 days to seek legal advise for amendments that the other party must agree to. If we can't agree, within the 5 days, you are out of the contract. I hit the other party with a 7 page rider that touched on so many preconditions and obligations, that by the time all was said and done, the other party said "forget this" and he terminated the contract, and my party got what he wished. Lots of words. Lots of pages. And everyone was happy. The other party was happy too because he got a better deal than the one he had with my client. And they say us lawyers are bad. Look, when two parties to a conflict walk away and both are happy......that is a win / win situation no matter how you look at it Hollywood.

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aztec says on Dec 13, 2006, 14:01:

Perhaps I am... ...naive or just senile because I have difficulty understanding the "problem". In my two years plus on this site I have observed personal attacks against G5 which in turn leads to a response. He writes things some people from Colombia take issue with. Instead of debating the merits of his statements they invariably cannot resist insulting comments.

Heck, none of agree all the time about any thing especially perceptions of Colombia. Just because G5 insists that Columbia is dangerous is not enough for some of us to have apoplexy.

My son is a lawyer so I understand somewhat the mindset. Lawyers are trained to confront the obvious.

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 13, 2006, 14:10:

Swinn88 and Aztec---you guys got it You are on the money my man. Your assessment of things here is right on the money. You can bash the US all you want here. It's fashionable to do so. In fact if you don't, it's almost as bad as not singing Glory Glory hallelujah to Colombia....ja ja

It's comical. You mention how bad street crime is in Cali, and some bozo writes back (has happened a few times) "yea but what about crime in Gary Indiana." Then a bunch of others say......"yea.....what about that G5.....what about Gary?" Such silly comparisons.

Thanks Swinn......ahhh it is comforting to know that within the sea of nonsense, there is a ray of common sense from above.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 13, 2006, 14:18:

Thanks for the explanation "I've won many a cases be bombarding them with so much paperwork, the other party just ended up capitulating or running for cover."

It also explains why so many people here get rubbed the wrong way by your M.O.

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litost says on Dec 13, 2006, 14:35:

Wait a second, is this kindergarten or something? I thought the times of popularity contests and clicks was long behind for all of us. Accuse me of of being from the so called Go Go Team (so much for civilized adult discussions), but I think Tinto hit right on the nail with the reason why some of us end up getting personal on G5. My sentiments exactly, no need to dwell for paragraphs on.

Frankly, from reading your posts I have to be honest and say I don't like you either! But wait... don't cry... I'm just kidding. Don't tell the teacher!!!

OK mods, I understand if you delete this post but why not delete this whole meaningless thread while you're at it?

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Gomezman5 says on Dec 13, 2006, 14:41:

Mario..... You have a point....although I do thank the author (Kalder)for his expressing his feelings.

On the other hand, this thread has only been up a few hours, and look how many posts it has. Let's just face it, how many times can you read about Aviance airlines, hotels in Bogota or somewhere else, night life somewhere, where to get plastic surgery, moving to Colombia, is Cali safe, (safety? did that come up here before?) etc etc etc.....same junk again and again.......oh....how can I forget, gay life....there always has to be something about gay life or gay clubs. Just don't as about wiskerias. I love bringing those up, so everyone can accuse me of being a whore mongerer. That attack has become more fashionable than picking on my spelling. I guess they feel it's more personal........uh oh,.....nothing personal....ja ja ja

My point is, this thread is kind of a break from the otherwise boring and repetitive nonsense that gets discussed again and again and again. So if people want to bash (or support G5) I say, leave it up. Who knows Mario, maybe we can keep a score card.

One more thing Mario.....the funny part about it is that moderation participated....hence ....it's not likely that this thread will get locked down to soon.....Oh yes it will, because I projected that it wouldn't. Whatever is contrary to G5 goes around here.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 13, 2006, 14:41:

You're right, Mario I should've deleted this thread after the first post. It locks now. Gomezman has had his fifteen minutes of fame and in the name of the liberty of expression this thread has not been touched by moderation. But these type of threads do not serve any purpose here, so after listening to both sides there really isn't much more to add.

Cheers,
Desi

«Sé que los seres humanos y los peces podrán coexistir en paz». ( George W. Bush, Saginaw 29-09-00)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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