Girlfriend Robbed Again.....

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 16, 2006, 23:31:

Colombia didnt steal from her, some crooks did...blame the... crooks, not an entire people...that is just lame...i am sorry to hear what happened, but an entire country is not the culprit....but dont you wish you could spend a couple of minutes in a room with those aholes???


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 16 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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calipro says on Jun 16, 2006, 23:33:

And again and again and again...hehehe!!! I think alot of Colombianos make fun of Cucuta because it is supposedly an undesirable place to live. My first Colombian wife grew up there. I don't believe she ever got robbed but then again she probably never had a peso in her pocket while she was living there.

As far as your girl getting robbed, it seems to happen to the girlfriends of gringos alot more than the rest of the population. If your simply sent her more cash it might happen every other week or so. Colombianos are pretty good at conning gringos and NOT getting robbed.

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vladimiro says on Jun 16, 2006, 23:38:

This is very common Women should not go to the bank by themselves in Colombia, not during the day, not in the nicest neighborhoods, not even if there's security nearby. Women leaving banks alone are frequent targets. The criminals are often someone you would not suspect like an old man or an old women.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 16, 2006, 23:47:

Scams do happen....not to say it happened here...but if i had a dollar for everytime someone in colombia told me they got robbed or their old cellphone taken, i would be a rich MF!...one has to be aware of your surrounds over there, and in the US....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 16 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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tigredelnorte says on Jun 17, 2006, 08:09:

Hey Mike and Patsy cut it will ya? My wife reads these forums. Hahahahahahaha

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robi666 says on Jun 17, 2006, 09:38:

"it seems to happen to the girlfriends of gringos alot more"... yes, another version of "Hola mi amor, my brother is ill, I need some more money for the doctor"... you can't always say the same...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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adrimm says on Jun 17, 2006, 09:49:

Cucuta Get her to move to a different place within Colombia, Bogota, even Bucaramanga... and stop blacklisting the entire nation.

Anyone who knows anything about Cucuta and the situation there knows it really not one of the better places in Colombia.

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b bruce says on Jun 17, 2006, 10:13:

Santa Marta! My second trip to Santa Marta I was walking through one of the nicer barrio's when these two punks on a dirt pike snatched a neckless off of an old woman walking down the street knocking her down.I could have easily grapped the driver by the throat. But a little voice in my head said he is probably the Police Chiefs son! So I helped the woman up off the street. I was so pissed that they would do that to an elderly woman. But you are correct, That stuff happens everywhere! The only problems I have had is getting jacked by the bus companies for bus tickets when the bus never shows up!

Viva Colombia! bc

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Lauthra says on Jun 17, 2006, 12:15:

Sorry to hear that! But to be honest, if I saw someone being mugged and the mugger had a weapon, I wouldn't step in to help, I'd get an arse kicking and I doubt in the end it would help.

The Police force it's quite crap indeed, I guess 'petty crime' (I guess that's what they consider that) doesn't interest them much.

Luckily enough I've never been muggued, and I've been know to take my risks when I just arrived to Bogotá in 2000.

Nato

(='.'=)

Nato (='.'=)

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fennell01 says on Jun 17, 2006, 16:24:

i was just waiting for Someone to say "dont blacklist a nation" who are you kidding? You dont think Colombia is FULL of corruption and has depression era unemployment? I am not "blacklisting" anything it is the TRUTH..one day someone should do a study of number of women (not just gringos novias) who are raped and or robbed in Colombia, 50% or more of the women that I know have been one or the other. And not just cess pools like Cucuta,..Bogota...Medallin...Pereria...also
And stand back while someone gets mugged....cowards die many deaths..I will take my chances and help anyone beign mugged. Jusk ask the 3 young men in New Orleans that mugged my best friend...2 went to Charity hospital (icu) and one was taken there in a seperate ambulance(one with out the lights on)....and robi666(what a badass) my novia never has asked for $$$, never.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 17, 2006, 16:47:

Colombia FINALLY has a "Savior"!! SuperFennel01 is here to save the day!....hmmm...some even say the same about the US.....Full of corruption, and lots of poor folk......does that mean ALL America and All americans are that way...what an ignorant way of thinking,,,,do you hear that? Listen, carefully....it is the YMCA song "macho man" playing in the background here......Yes, Cowards Die Many Deaths, but there is no shortage of DEAD HEROES either.....the only point i agree with you on is that i would also step up to the plate if i saw it happen..been doing that for all my career....but for someone who decides not to, provide assistance and be the best witness around....and you have to tell us what you consider robbery, as not all thefts are robbery.

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 16 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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fennell01 says on Jun 17, 2006, 17:20:

Miguel glad your not a coward like others on this site...I am not here to save anyone but I would help anyone that I could. Comparing the economy (and size of middle class) of the EEUU and Colombia..well is there a comparison?(US unemployment 4.7%) How much financial aid do we send to Colombia????Africa????. Our poor in the EEUU have Chevy Tahoes and cellphones, free housing, food stamps, access to world class medical..(see Charity Hospital). The poor in Colombia die if they are sick, dont have a pot let alone a cell phone......

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Lauthra says on Jun 17, 2006, 17:32:

SURE! I'm a coward indeed, I'm a 5'2 girl, don't think I could send a mugger to the ICU, and even if I did I certainly wouldn't brag about in a board...
Nato

(='.'=)

Nato (='.'=)

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morphus says on Jun 17, 2006, 17:52:

Robbed in Colombia? For some reason, this does'nt seem too shocking. What type of robbery? Was there a gun or a knife involved? From what I have seen in Cartagena, if somebody tries to steal, an angry mob will go after him and beat his ass. In Medellin, I saw 2 dead Colombianos in the street. They were in Sabeneta trying to steal and were shot dead. All those armed guards you see in Colombia are ready to shoot. You can't say they don't do anything.

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adrimm says on Jun 17, 2006, 18:44:

All right then I'm not denying that there are problems in Colombia, but what about the % of people there who are doing their best to scrape by, those who have? What about your GF, or her parents? Is it fair to blacklist them? You cannot honestly think that the entire nation are lazy crooks - if this is the case, then you don't know Colombia.

Considering the convoluted mix of challenges that Colombia has faced for 60 years, and continues to face, there is no comparison between situation of the US. Add a different cultural mix, and you cannot use the same measuring stick to compare, it is fruitless, each stick has different units.

Rapes: agree that the stats are horrendous (unless it is 0 there is never a good number). But look at the machismo of the culture, the same thing that produces the sorts girls that many foreigners flock to.

Robbery: *hit happens. Every Colombian that I know has either been mugged or broken into at least once.. this is going back to the 40s and 50s. It's not the atypical thing there that it is in much of North America, but it is probably more on par with other developing parts of latin america. Again different measuring stick.

As for your GF's particular case, my guess is that someone somewhere knows she has an absentee gringo BF, and is targeting her. She needs to take better precuations (ie not go to bank alone).

It's horrible that people didn't stop to help... but it isn't unique to Colombia - not so long ago a man was left to freeze to death on mount Everest, while other trudged past him on their way to their own business... and surely you've heard that addage that if being mugged, then yell "fire" and more people will take notice than if you yell "help".

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 17, 2006, 18:50:

Fennel01...i have dealt with suspects, victims, witnesses... and crime alot over 27 years...i have had coworkers killed by bad decisions on their part....it really has nothing to do with bravery or cowardice..its just being smart for the invidual who has to choose to take action....its like bringing a knife to a gunfight, as they say...not a good idea...for example, you cant expect a father of 6 who has the responsibility of his family, to face an armed suspect who is stealing property only....you know how that will turn out...just an additional dead hero/victim...it is a shame that alot of the police in Colombia think of themselves first, and not society...but, i have had many contacts with them, and fortunately there are some who actually care about helping people...and not just their pockets.

and Morphus is right about one thing...mob mentality does sometimes affect how some people decide on whether to commit a crime....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 16 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 17, 2006, 18:52:

Well said, Adrimm.. Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 17 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 19:08:

Hey Fen....How the hell are U? I can't remember the last time I had seen you around here. Sorry to hear about your ordeal. Look, I'm pretty much on the same page as you my man. It kind of amazes me to read some of the stuff I see here that kind of justifies these things.

One of my favorite PBH members, Vladimireo, just wrote a great one above. He wrote:

"Women should not go to the bank by themselves in Colombia, not during the day, not in the nicest neighborhoods, not even if there's security nearby."

Isn't that great? You see, people accept the craziness as a fact of life, and they can't even associate the significance of what they are saying. The thing about his quote is that he is probably correct. It just doesn't register with him about what the ramifications are.

I could just imagine me marrying a Gringa, and then telling her, "honey, we're going to move to Colombia for a year, but I just want to let you know that you can never go to a bank alone or worse yet, an ATM, because it's too dangerous." How many gringas do you think would be willing to live there? Do you think you would find any clear thinking Gringas that would?

Hey, I'm doing you a bit of a favor here. Because I'm taking the heat off of you. Now the wreckinging crew (aka Go Go Colombia team) is mobilizing to attack me for being PBH's most well know self hating Colombian. It burns these people alive. Actually, I think I take more heat from Gringos than Colombians.

In any event Fennel, it's good to see (read) you're alive and well. take it easy.

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robi666 says on Jun 17, 2006, 19:42:

"my novia never has asked for $$$, never".
You are among the few, really. You are a lucky man. Anyway, I did not call you bad ass... I am really sorry, I was just wrong.
You know, it happens so much shit here in Colombia, Colombianos are ass holes, it is third world here: why don't you take your girlfriend to the States and stay there, where you can count on kind cowboys watching your back?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Jun 17, 2006, 19:52:

"my novia never has asked for $$$, never"... LOL

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:03:

Yes, lets all move to the safest city in the world, where there are no muggings, no ATM-related crimes, and no other crimes...where group hugs are the norm....Chicago!!! Los Angeles! San Jose! NYC! Fargo, ND! Anywhere, USA!....get real, crime can happen anywhere in the US..and it does every minute in the US..so, .if you live by crime stats, then the Moon is the only "safe" place for you....First shuttle is at 7am Sunday morning!!! All Aboard!!!!!!!

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 16 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:06:

robbi666...when i write 3rd World country i mean the infrastructure is that way, not the people....


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 16 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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robi666 says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:12:

And Fennell01, I have some friends of DAS in Cucuta who would like to organize a welcome back party for you. They love the way you express yourself.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:19:

Miguel_Clavo, no problem. I am not Colombian, but I like to stay in peace with the people I live with. I travelled a lot and lived in many different countries.
The biggest problem in this world is the lack of culture and tolerance: I can understand it from a person living in a poor country; there is no excuse for it in a person from USA or Western Europe.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:22:

And anyway there is a voice who keeps telling me that Fennel01 is quite familiar with Western Union...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:27:

Clavo.....you missed my point Nobody would deny that American cities have crime. But relative to Colombia? Come on man. Don't even go there.

Still you missed my point. My point was made in response to Vladimiro's above post, wherein he said a woman should never go to a bank alone..and he means it. By the way, I am certain you would find thousands of people in Colombia that would give the exact same advise. So what I now ask is do you really think any American would ever tell a woman in the US that she should never go to a bank alone in the US? Of course you wouldn't. So Clavo, come on, let's debate on the same issue and combine like with like. Don't take this one point and leap into the bigger question as whether there is American cities have crime. The two issues are unrelated.

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Rubiazo says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:28:

Just for the record This thread really represents a new low here. I thought *I* was stupid but this thread makes me look like friggin Einstein!

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:38:

Einstein Rubi? You're a musician, not a scientist. An Einstein you will never be. Sorry

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:56:

G5...that advise is given alot in neighborhood meetings by the police all over the US.its kind of standard operatin procedure....some people dont have safety common sense, and this is a way to lower your odds of being victimized......and it depends even more on the area in the city...there are parts of the US i would wear my flak vest and a backup gun to take money out of an atm...South Central LA comes to mind....send grandma out for a stroll in some areas of the US to an atm to pull out some $$$ is only an easy way to collect your inheritance....These are only common sense precautions, nothing more..i think that is the advice Vladimiros post was getting at.....people get robbed everywhere, not just in Colombia....and that is certainly not a way to live ones life.....everyone has their own level of security..yours may be lower or higher than some....but their is no completely safe country....well, remove the people and you will have one....=) Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 16 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 17, 2006, 20:59:

Rubiazo....alot of people are not streetwise...and have Victim written all over them....but i see it as enlightening them to the ways of the world, so some smuck doesnt try to get over on people i know and care about....without paying a heavy price for it....


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 16 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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juancegomez says on Jun 17, 2006, 21:00:

Reader's Digest Version of What I Think: Too many opinions and too little stats.

We all know that, yes, Colombia has a significantly worse record in many crime-related subjects than, say, any first world country.

That, however, doesn't mean that generalizations are okay as anything other than what they really are: opinions. Opinions not backed up by scientifically valid evidence are nothing more than that, even if they are popular ones.

That's not being blind to Colombia's problems, just being serious about it all, even if it goes against "herd mentality".
[End of "Reader's Digest Version of What I Think"]

And well, tell you what...if personal experiences were enough to make all these generalizations credible...then I should be screaming about how horrible crime is in New York and how worse it is than Bogotá, because I've actually been robbed there...something which has never happened to me in Colombia to date, thankfully. Not in taxis, banks, buses or while simply walking down the street.

Yet I'm not doing that, not at all, because I find that argument rather simplistic too.

(Oh, and before you tell me it's obviously my fault I got robbed in NY, I could easily tell you that it was while I was travelling with U.S. citizens and NY residents who should have known better at the time, but that's another story and too off-topic).

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 21:10:

Hey, I've been robbed in Chicago & generalizations But, a lot of that was my own doing. I was in an area that I should not have been after a Blackhawk game. I should have paid the 15 dollars, to park the car in the stadium lot, instead of venturing about 6 blocks away to save the money.

But juance, there is nothing wrong with generalizations. Generalizations are just that, generalizations. There is a lot of inherent reliability in a generalization if there is some sound basis to generalize something. If I make the gernalization that in Chicago your chnces of prevailing upon appealing health code violation is less than 5%, I'm making a generalization because I know that to be the case. I tell people, just pay it and don't waste your time with an appeal. That doesn't mean you will lose on appeal. It just means that you will in all probability lose.

I just don't understand why people have a problem with generalizations. People who know more about something, pollsters, scientists, sociologists, and countless others make generalizations everyday. We live ourlives based on these generalizations. So what's the hang up?

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juancegomez says on Jun 17, 2006, 21:17:

The difference is... ...that generalizations, especially when they involve figures, numbers and estimates (say, entire cities or entire nationalities) that have not been scientifically confirmed by anything remotely resembling a scientist, pollster, sociologist and so on, are not that convincing nor worthy of much respect.

Why? Because it's more likely that they'll be inaccurate, incomplete, or simply wrong. The deeper your generalizations go, the greater the risk of that happening (After all, obviously all Jews are greedy monsters hellbent on world domination...I have personal experiences that prove it to be true!).

Generalizations per se aren't bad, I understand that they are needed in daily life and are actually inevitable at times, but when and how they are used is what matters.

Their use here isn't really that admirable, to say the least, and that's what I'm referring to.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 21:37:

Juance....I sort of get your point...but How is it that your experience with some Jews they may happen to be greedy, can translate to them having personal asperations to be "hellbent on world domination." Being greedy, (a personal attribute) does not exactly translate to having an aspiration to dominate the world.

I have to laugh when I hear stuff (nonsense) like that. Considering the fact that antisemitism has always been alive and well around the world, and today, it's as prevalent as ever, I can't see how some reasonable thinking person can actually think that Jews want to run the world. That fact combined with the fact there has never been a single practicing Jew that has never even so much as suggested that he or Jews as a group are interested in such a thing, makes your conclussion (generalization)that Jews are hellbent on world domination, not worthy of having much merit.

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juancegomez says on Jun 17, 2006, 21:46:

General Disclaimer: Don't Read This If It's Too Long for You "Being greedy, (a personal attribute) does not exactly translate to having an aspiration to dominate the world."

That was a bit of intentional hyperbole, of sorts, not a real conclusion that I personally believe in...but, not that long ago, it would actually have been a 100% "correct" statement in the eyes of way too many people (instead of only a comparable few, as is now the case). I only used it for the purposes of illustration.

It was once perfectly acceptable and politically correct to accuse the Jews of anything and everything applicable, using similar generalizations that were oh so "obviously true", and we know how that ended up. In that sense, that isn't completely hyperbole, because it was actually a widespread belief at one point in time.

Today, although in a very different way that isn't remotely a 1:1 deal, Colombians are getting a horrible amount of the heat and blame for a ton of things, not just here but elsewhere on the net and consequently in real life too. We are sometimes considered the worst criminals and scum of the world in every applicable category, with little or no scientific data to back that up in each and every circumstance, just personal experiences and "obvious" generalizations.

We may possibly be the worst, or nearly the worst, in some categories (say, apparently so in union murders for example), but definitely not in all others (has anybody actually seen anything methodologically solid that backs up each and every generalization talked about here?), and I think that shouldn't be ignored so easily. Ignoring that allows horrible generalizations to occur with nothing remotely resembling verification, and I don't think that is remotely acceptable from an intellectual point of view.

Does that mean that Colombians are angels and that Colombia is heaven? Of course not, that's equally ridiculous. But that doesn't mean we are all devils living in Hell either. I don't agree with prophets of disaster NOR with prophets of salvation.

Btw, I agree that Antisemitism is not dead, but at least the worst aspects of it have been severely trashed and devaluated, if nothing else.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 22:52:

Sometimes where there is smoke there is fire When the Colombians were coming to the US in the late 80's and 90's, the amount of Colombians involved in the drug trade was in fact astonishingly high. Everyone knew it, especially law enforcement. Colombian clubs and restaurants all over the country were closely monitored by law enforcement at all levels. And you know what? It was true. Very true. The largest Colombian club on the north side of the city was having huge financial dificulties until they had a fire (greek lightning?) in the late 90s. I ran into the owner shortly before his fire and he complained to me how bad business was. I asked him why he thought this was so. Keep in mind, this was during the Clinton years when the economy could not have been better. His answer was a curious one. He said, that the reason that the club isn't doing well was because...and I quote: "All our people are either in Jail, or they went back to Colombia." I cracked up in laughter. He did not realize what he was saying. He was practically admitting to me that a huge portion of the population of Colombians in Chicago were involved in the drug trade. There was no question about it. I remember, going to this place back in the early 90's, and these guys would call in advance to reserve a table for four people, a small one at that, wherein they prepaid for 3 bottles of Aguardiente Crystal at $125 a bottle. Typical mafioso thing. Anyway, the guy told me that those that went to jail got caught. Those that went back to colombia, were on the verge of getting caught. So, there is no denying that a substantial portion of my people were up to no good. Is it generalizing? Of course? But let me tell you something, generalizing, in law enforcment is called profiling. And there is no such thing as effective law enforcement without profiling. It is a fact of life. Police on the street do it every day. Customs and immigration officials do it at the airports. Just try to fly to Israel on El Al and see what you go through, you will see what profiling is. But it works, El Al is the safest Airlines in the world. They wrote the book on airline security. So....gerneralizations are a necessary evil.

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billyb says on Jun 17, 2006, 23:15:

Gomez.... What that club owner in Chicago was practically admiting was not that a huge proportion of Colombians in Chicago were involved in the drug trade, just that a huge proportion of his clientele was involved in the drug trade. A really ignorant extrapolation.

BillyB

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juancegomez says on Jun 17, 2006, 23:31:

Gomezman5 (Another Long Boring Comment Below) "Sometimes where there is smoke there is fire"

Not every single time, and not every fire is equal.

"Everyone knew it, especially law enforcement."

You are *now* talking about Colombia's high involvement in the drug trade, which is easily verifiable by most standards.

I was talking generally and, more specifically, about all the generalizations made earlier in the thread, which are not so easily verifiable at all (unless you now proceed to verify all of them, be my guest, though that's highly improbable).

"So, there is no denying that a substantial portion of my people were up to no good."

That depends on what you mean by that, see above.

If by "no good" you mean "each and every kind of criminal activity imaginable, without any differences or distinctions at all", then I'd completely disagree with you.

But if by that you meant "the drug trade and some specific kinds of criminal behavior", then it would be a different story, because at least I presume that it all could be debated with facts and verifiable figures (such as those that are available for the drug trade, of course).

"But let me tell you something, generalizing, in law enforcment is called profiling."

And let me tell you that nobody here is doing anything seriously comparable to real law enforcement profiling, legally, morally or scientifically. Nobody here is in a position to do that on any of those levels, beyond the superficial (try doing some "profiling" yourself and acting upon it, and let's see if you get it right every single time...bar none).

"So....gerneralizations are a necessary evil."

Not always, only sometimes, and not in the same way. Still, let me say this: Innocent people are often victims of such generalizations. Hopefully you will not be another victim of the above generalizations gone wrong at some point in your life, because that would be horrible, sincerely horrible, but it would sadly illustrate the point I'm trying to make.

DonGringo:

"The reason is that when you LIVE here in Colombia and it is SOOOO obvious not many of you do."

Well, I must say that at least I do. Have never lived outside for any really significant amount of time in my life, like a year or more (only for a couple of weeks or so, at most). Does that mean I'm right about everything? No, mine's just another opinion after all...

Now, I must be quite honest about this too...Even though you are generalizing as well***, at least you are also presenting a couple of different perspectives and nuances at the same time, which I believe makes it a somewhat better generalization than others presented earlier in the thread. Not that it matters, I know.

***('cause your last paragraph is debatable, strictly speaking...since when do any of us here have all the necessary data to speak for "Colombia as a whole"? What are we all supposed to be, census people? None of us is, as far as I know. Using your same line of reasoning, I call tell that some areas of Colombia seem to be better than other areas in the U.S. in a few criminal-related behaviors, beyond those cities you mentioned. Even if your general statement sounds "obviously correct" for most people, myself included, it's not perfect by any means. That's all)

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jccg says on Jun 18, 2006, 03:54:

fennell01: quite wrong I am not going to waste my time trying to make a gringo recognize that there is crime all arround the word... but there are a couple of points I would like to make clear.
1) You find "third world" like things when you are in a third word country. what do you expect? if all the goods of this country are been stolen to make your country more rich, how can it be different? (please do not insult yourself talking about "help", "aid" and how "good" USA gov is for the world, no one with two newrons in the brain belive it)
2) 50% of the women been raped? where do you meet your friends? there is no other country with more sexual crimes than USA. Honestly, I was surprised when I read the University of Missoury Rolla statistics, they have almost the same rate of raped women per year than we have in ALL metropolitan area in Medellin. It is something like 375 denounced rapes per year. (Wich, of course, we have to stop)
3) "Macho man hero", JAJAJAJA. I wold like to see you with a gun in your head been brave! here the people do not help so much, that is a sad true. But please, don't come with that bullsh** that in USA there is ever someone fighting the muggers. There is people that face muggers all arraund the world. One friend once figth against an armed (with a gun, not knife) robber in a bus, could you, "macho man", fight unarmed against an armed robber?. Another man, friend of friend run he's car over a couple of gunfire armed robbers in motrocicle, then the others robbers in the second motorcicly approached and returned him the money they have stolen, "I was lucky" he said, they could have killed him.

This is just the true!!

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jccg says on Jun 18, 2006, 04:25:

Juancegomez, G5 and generalizations Completely off topic, I know.. But I woul like to make some clearity about generalizations. Yes, scientist do generalizations. when some one say: ej: U.K. citizens are generaly white (I am making up the sentece). It means that if someone is british, the most probable thing is that he is also white. Do it means that there are not other races in U.K. NO, it must be obvious, but the most of the people do not understand the difference between a norm (or rule) and a generalization. The second one referes to probability when the first one gives a certainly fact. To say something general means to say the most probably possibility (i.e. the center of the gaussina bell) wich do not deny the existence of the "tails"

This is just the true!!

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webmanco says on Jun 18, 2006, 05:36:

Fennel - How much "financial aid" "majority of the people are third world"
Do you consider yourself from a superior race y/o country, better status??sangre azul? lolol big laugh


How much "financial aid" do we send to Colombia????Africa????.

all of our foreign investment over there (China) was supposed to bring the country around to a capitalistic society, and more importantly an increase in human rights and freedoms

The question is:
How much political unstability you create around the world?

Any claim of having given "help" to any country must be put between quotes because that "help" is being paid back with lives, natural resources and contracts favoring those "helping countries".





Colombia didn't steal from her, some crooks did...blame the...

By crooks to me it means not only those guys snatching or stealing but also some politicians that instead of creating jobs, take them away and work more for the wrong people and countries than for true hard working Colombians.

A guy snatched a cell phone from me when I got into the Buseta, I got from the buseta following the guy right in San Victorino, I yelled and had to cross carrera 10, which is full of buses and busetas, some bachilleres (highschool policemen) had the guy with my cell phone, they told me I had to go with them to Bacata Police Station, near Universidad de los Andes, to fill out the report. I rode the police car along with the guy who tried to steal my cell phone. All the way to the police station the guy keep telling me that he did it to get a christmas present for his daughter and offered me to pay my cell phone twice its price.
The guy stayed in jail maybe only one night, would I had wished a steeper punishment, No

(I really hate it when women get their panties all bunched up their butt, they can get so cranky!) Poor butt happy

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robi666 says on Jun 18, 2006, 07:19:

Good morning, I just woke up (a sunny day in Medellin) and this tread is going too far. You all miss the point...

Pablo,
he was in the army. They sent him fighting guerilleros in the remote Antioquia.
He felt that he was doing that for the wealthy families ant they just paid him the minimum salary.
Policeman were the lucky one: good salary and a little extra from someone caught for his crime.
One night he shoot his tenent, who was abusing of his soldier, and cleaned back his rifle.
Now he is a taxi driver in Medellin.

El Nino, my wife's brother
The army sent him fighting in Choco.
They were burning Coca Plants and he didn't feel it was right.
Good money for his people and problems for a rich society.
His girl left him and he got depressed.
One night he raised his gun to his eyes and pulled the trigger.

Diana,
she had his first man killed up there in San Roque. She had a girl from him.
Her second man was killed in a cocaine deal. He left a little boy.
The mafia boss got her apartment and car.
She left to the USVI on a faked working contract to be a prostitute.
She was sending on the money to his daughter and son.
When she told me about her men, she was crying.
She met a French man, not young, not good looking, but a good guy.
They married and now she is doing good in her new life.

My wife's uncle was a policeman,
he was shot a couple of months ago in Barranquilla,
3 weeks after his retirement, he went to the bank to get 10 millions to buy a car.
They caught his murderers. Now they are having the time of their life in La Modelo in Barranquilla.

Then it comes Fenneth, (read his old posts)
who's so worried to let us know that he found a "beautiful young Colombiana who does not want anything from Studio F and never one time asked me for money for her family...."
who's so happy to let us know that he "was there for 5 days and saw not a one(gringo) if you want to meet beautiful woman with No competition"
and that he "had a great time with a yong lady that I had recently met in Costa Rica" (wait a minute... a good looking Colombian girl in Costa Rica from Cucuta, surely not estrato 6...)
and again "My girlfriend just got a job at this Disco in Bogota(Babar). No, I dont like it but she needs the money because I do not send her any and she never asks"
So afraid to loose his macho appearances...
And now this new pearl from his laptop... "How about the fu#king Police(laddrones)" "the majority of the people are third world"
This is what this post is all about... not generalization, not crime statistics. Stories of real people from PBH...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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fennell01 says on Jun 18, 2006, 22:10:

robbi666 devil boy badass Researching my entire post history. Reading about my questions and comments about my ex and current novias. Picking out things that I said trying to "tarnish my macho appearence" I almost want to send you a foto it would last longer. The fact that you think of me when you wake up makes me strangly aroused. Maybe some scotch tape also?

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calipro says on Jun 19, 2006, 03:55:

LOL !! "Picking out things that I said trying to "tarnish my macho appearence""

That's some damn funny shit! hehehe!!

Maybe if you weren't such tuff guy your girl could ask you for some cash instead of waiting for you to send some and then pretending to get robbed over and over again.

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fennell01 says on Jun 19, 2006, 08:40:

You Guys now know my girlfriend? She has been robbed twice(in the past year). One time walking cerca de her apartment and the other recently near the bank. I am not a total gringo and I beleive her 100%. Like have have said this girl never one time asked me for greenbacks. Her family is all Doctors and they send her money that she needs/wants.
DonGringo, calling my girlfriend a "bitch".....what happened to you man?

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robi666 says on Jun 19, 2006, 09:20:

Fennell, son, you don't see the point, yet...
You have to understand that some of the girl that you meet here really have problems. In a normal situation, it is not strange if she asks in a way or another for some kind of help. Girls from lower estrato get helped by their Colombian boyfriends and none thinks this is the only reason why they are together.
Now, there is our European or American way of thinking: she's asking few bucks... she's with me because of that. I can assure you that I had the same thoughts many times in the past.
It is the way she asks, what she asks, how she behaves, and many other important things in the relationship that should make you understand.
DonGringo is right, some of them are just so good at scamming. Hard work to do before you can tell the difference. An hard work that any of us must do to be sure before making a big step like marrying a Colombiana. Being robbed twice lights up warning lights, though.
Now, admitting that you helped your girlfriend (I am not saying it was your case) does not make you a stupid gringo, sometimes. Wanting to point out that you never helped a girl, which you did with at least with two of your girlfriends on this pages, and posting it out on the internet, makes you a man with a macho complex, or, at least, an ignorant who did not understand anything here.
For the other comments about all Colombianos and Colombian Police, I tried to make you think twice about what you have posted here... you are not showing the best of you here. Maybe you don't care... sometimes admitting it was written in a moment of rage doesn't make you a better man?
And, I give you an advice, going on with such an attitude could become a problem here in Colombia.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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el hijuepu says on Jun 19, 2006, 09:37:

fennell01 I dont know your girlfriend, but every Colombian that I know is very proud of Colombia. I just dont know how any relationship can work when one side is showing such hatred toward her country.

For your sake, I hope this does not cause problems down the road.

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Simon says on Jun 19, 2006, 10:26:

"Fuc#ing Colombia"


Hey Fennell.....FUCK YOU AND THE USA!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Simon says on Jun 19, 2006, 10:53:

"Now the wreckinging crew (aka Go Go Colombia team) is mobilizing to attack me for being PBH's most well know self hating Colombian."


Gomezman,

Like I said before....YOU ARE NOT COLOMBIAN!! You are just a 'COCONUT'...''brown' on the outside but 'WHITE' on the inside!
You don't speak spanish, you did not grow up in Colombia, and you are 'whiter' than Uncle Sam. Great life you've lived, always speaking 'SOMEONE ELSES' tongue!



What is the cause of your hatred towards Colombia? Is it because your parents never taught you spanish, therefore you feel 'incomplete', and this has always produced resentment and frustration in you towards other colombians?

Your are nothing more than a miserable, middle-aged ogre who's life is so pathetic that he feels he must spend hours on the internet bashing the country where he was born.

When you go to Colombia, do your family and friends there know the hateful crap that you write about Colombia, because I'm sure that if they did, they would NEVER welcome you back there. I know most colombians on this board can't stand you. And I'm sure the colombians in Colombia can't stand you either.

It was about time someone told you the truth.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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robi666 says on Jun 19, 2006, 14:58:

Don, I had all kind of experiences.
Going out with a lawyer... yes, never had any money request.
Different story: it is pretty normal for a Colombian man to help his girlfriend. I am not talking about a doctor, or a lawyer, of course. Girls from lower estrato are not lawyers. When one has problem to find the money to eat or to wear decently, that is a BIG problem. I know a lot of guys buying food and clothes. I don't think that it is a bad thing. I can see that their girls are in love but also in need. Love is second to basic needs. You are not free to love someone if you have problem to eat tomorrow. Listen the discussion between friends: "he is saying that he loves you but he doesn't help you... cuando te saca a vivir?"
Different story: I have been asked for StudioF stuff, and 50 dollars... but that's a different story and it is part of a deal. You can accept or refuse it. But there is not any difference between an old Gringo and a rich Viejo Verde colombiano. I know tens of really pretty women living like a rich and doing nothing, thanks to their rich Colombian man. Girls are happy, men are happy. No problem.
Another story: it is when gringos (or European) get exploited by their "girlfriend". You know the kind: gringos there in USA, the girl here in a bed with another man. Sending huge (huge for Colombia) amount of money. With all kind of excuses. Who's the guilty one here? The girl or a 20 years older man thinking he is good looking and good in bed, convinced that he can manage a relationship from far?
Again, I know that kind of looks you get. But, the one that knows you, will respect you and her. It is always satisfactory to show them that you are different story, isn't it?
About Fennel, maybe he is not that bad guy. Sinceramente yo creo que ja se la cacò... I was a bit caustic (he is not showing his best part here on PBH) but lately I was just trying to help him to review his post. There are ancient rules which are not written, something that anyone from a latin country understands.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 19, 2006, 17:25:

Simon Thanks for reminding me who (what) I am. I don't know how I have managed to make it through all these years without you enlightening me.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 19, 2006, 17:41:

Miquel Clavo, for 10 years I lived in a house on a ranch that could not be locked. Everyone lives like that out there, house unlocked, key in the ignition of the truck out front. It's a myth people tell themselves that crime happens everywhere and that it can happen anywwhere. Someone takes something that isn't theirs out there - everyone knows about it five minutes later and they get their asses kicked good.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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robi666 says on Jun 19, 2006, 18:26:

Utopia, sincerely, I know many persons in Colombia that lives without closing their door... Not in the big cities, not in the upper estrato, but there are.
Yes, what makes you a target is your "diversity" from the "average". And the average here is really low...
But I can tell you that none leaves the door unlocked in Rome. We have bars in the window. We have security doors and keys. But you go 100 km on the country side and that's a different story...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 19, 2006, 19:22:

Crime Free Utopian City in the US? “It's a myth people tell themselves that crime happens everywhere and that it can happen anywwhere.� UC

Yup, anywhere people are, crime happens……and every type of person regardless of occupation and religion, etc, commit them…..but I guess from the following that you are implying that where you live, there is no crime? ..Lets clarify your statement, do you mean that you are under the impression that crime can not happen anywhere?

“Someone takes something that isn't theirs out there - everyone knows about it five minutes later and they get their asses kicked good.� UC

I thought you implied that where you live there is no crime…but yet you know what happens when someone steals something…..ummm..doesnt that mean there is crime where you live? And I guess your city doesn’t need a PD or Sheriffs Office, or any law enforcement because you have no crime? So what city is it that has no crime? I seem to remember one post that you might be in Utopia, Texas? I would like to check the FBI UCR Index to see how your fellow citizens fare in the crime category…lets see how many goose eggs there are…..

Well, if you do live in Utopia, Texas… I found the following: (if Utopia Texas is not where you were referring to , please advise so I can do the appropriate search) Hey, must truly be a myth, just like you said…a real Utopia…Ooppss, no crime where you live??? Then someone is not telling the truth here because a google search on Crime Statistics for Utopia Texas found the following:

Crimes reported in Uvalde County Texas
Crime 2000

Statistics presented are based on data collected by the FBI as part of its Uniform Crime Reporting Program. These data represent offenses reported to and arrests made by State and local law enforcement agencies as reported to the FBI. These data do not include Federal law enforcement activity. Additionally, not all law enforcement agencies consistently report offense and arrest data to the FBI. Users should refer to the Coverage Indicator for the proportion of the population covered by the agencies reporting to the FBI.
Crime Number
Total 1,408
Murder 0
Rape 0
Robbery 11
Aggravated Assault 114
Burglary 380
Larceny - theft 843
Motor vehicle thefts 52
Population 25,926
Coverage indicator 100%

Data provided by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the National Archive of Criminal Justice Data, University of Michigan
Population statistics are based on data provided by the FBI and may differ from similar statistics reported by the Census Bureau. Population statistics generated by the FBI are used to calculate crime rates and to estimate the proportion of the population covered by the UCR program.


For the year 2000, only goose eggs are the murder and rape category, which is good…..but, the population for 2000 is only 25,926…hardly a representative sample of all the cities in the US and the rest of the world…..




Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 15 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 19, 2006, 19:25:

The fact that you may have not been victimized doesnt validate your claim that crime can not occur anywhere.....or where you live....


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 15 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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fennell01 says on Jun 19, 2006, 19:40:

damn right I was angry when i posted this I see her eye makeup running down her face and the red mark on her shoulder....yes I wanted to kill someone....this is a normal reaction? Who can say? I was a Boxer(and a soldier..101st) for many years and I would want several rounds with the shit that did this. But hatred? Man I dont hate anyone...i especially dont hate Colombia...I love Colombia, but the problems in that country will not be cured until people stand up for themselves and respect and take care of one another. I have watched and read about and heard from my friends about all of the Fu#ked up shit in Colombia. You can say it is only a small portion of the people that commit this shit but it is a large group of people that allow it to happen. If there were terrorist armys in the woods here you dont think we would all be "hunting"...maybe its just our "Macho" spirit dont know....
As for Simon saying "Fu#k you ......." It takes a special person to represent the Public Education System and I would like to personally congratulate him for 100% of my vote.

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Simon says on Jun 19, 2006, 19:51:

Fennell,

Don't try to cop out! You're girlfriend was mugged and you open a thread by writing "Fucking Colombia" and make it seem as if everyone there is some lowlife thief??

Do you know how many people were mugged TODAY in the USA? Does that warrant someone writing "Fuck the US" just because of SOME assholes?
OF COURSE NOT!!!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 19, 2006, 20:55:

There are all makes and models of humans in both Colombia and the US.....not everybody is in a position to stand up and fight,k Fennel..you should know that if you are exmiliary.....some are type A or A+ personalities and will step up, but that is personal choice to be made by each person....blaming a country for the action for a few knuckleheads is just not right....or accurate...Its all about responsibility....the knucklheads are the ones responsible for robbing your g-friend....your anger should be towards them, not all Colombians,,most Colombians i would say are just as upset with the perpetual crime as you, but they are also smart enough to know the risks, sometimes fatal, if they take action....i say, the effort should be put into getting rid of corruption in law enforcement is a primary step.....effective law enforcement and crime investigation/prevention is a necessity....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 15 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 19, 2006, 20:56:

Your use of statistics shows that you don't know what's happening on the ground. Uvalde County is divided into two halves. The south half is home to most of the county's population especially in the county seat, the city of Uvalde. There is a fair amount of crime in Uvalde. I doubt anyone leaves their house unlocked there. Utopia is forty miles away in the northern part of the county which is in the Hill Country and demographically speaking, quite different from the southern part of the county. I don't think you understand what kind of place Utopia is - I could name everyone who lives there. If we were in the town's only restaurant we could pick out the tourists. If a neighbor's cows got loose and were in my field, everyone found out about it almost as soon as I did. So it's not a question of crime occurring but due to the size and a lack of knowldege, I didn't know about it. Nothing happens there without it being noticed and talked about. Hell people talked about the grill guard I had a welder put on my car for a couple of weeks and several people saw it before I did. I'm not saying that people didn't take things that didn't belong to them on occasion. They just didn't hang on to them and they didn't make a habit of it. Kind of the way things used to be. Of course every kid starts to drive his dad's truck when he's about 10 or 11. One deputy came to town vowing to put an end to underage driving. Well, he's gone and they're still driving. SO I guess if you count that, there is some crime.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 19, 2006, 20:58:

DonGringo...i agree with most of your postings, but i would ... like to critique the assumptions made...In your posts you seem to hang your hat a lot on the fact that you live in Bogota, and by implication, that your opinions are to carry more weight than others who don’t live there. But, lets keep things in perspective. You are 1 person in a city of about 8 million people? So, a reasonable person wouldn’t necessarily add weight to your comments due solely to that fact. One doesn’t need to live in Los Angeles to be aware of what goes on there. Or to have ever been there, for that matter.


Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 15 días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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el hijuepu says on Jun 20, 2006, 06:37:

utopiacowboy If there was a 100% guarantee that there would be absolutely no crime where I live...

I would still bolt my doors and arm my security system every day.
It doesn't matter who you are, or where you live... Anything can happen anywhere.

Many people don't think about protection and security until something bad happens. People who have this mentality end up MAKING themselvs victims. Life is all about choices. I choose not to be a victim.

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el hijuepu says on Jun 20, 2006, 07:06:

DonGringo "Sure those that don't work hard stay in poverty but those that do, don't. I see them buying new houses and new trucks and cars. I DON'T DON'T DON'T see the same thing here so shut your ignorant mouths about comparing the USA to Colombia on this topic. You are full of shit!!!!!!!" - DonGringo

Lets be honest here. Unless you have taken the time to interview and document the lives of 46 Million Colombian citizens, then you really don't know.

Just because you don't see it doesn't meant that it doesnt happen. Maybe you need to reevaluate your comment about ignorance.

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robi666 says on Jun 20, 2006, 09:56:

DonGringo, good post. Maybe a little too radical, but you got a good point! No way that you can compare Colombia with USA on this topic. Too much difference...
But I think that we don't have to forget that things are getting better, for what almost everyone tells me. I know policemen who believes in a better society and fight. I know people working good and making decent money.
About standing and fight... please, let's keep the ranchers bell out of this... I guess things were far less complicated then. You cannot compare it with nowaday criminalty.
In USA or Europe, you have someone raping a woman in the subway and none do anything. Why? Does it depend on the kind of crime? Or to where the crime is commited?
In Sicily they have problem in making the people report for paying money to the mafia gangs. Is that a rich against the poor problem? Their kids got no future? Noway...
Don, you are being a bit too superficial in judging... there are far more complicated issues (cultural, social, heritage, etc.).
Fennel: much better post, maybe we will never be friend but if you come in Medellin one day I'll pay you a beer. If you promise to not put me in trouble with my Colombian friends... ;-)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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robi666 says on Jun 20, 2006, 10:07:

It makes me think about the plot of the typical western movie: there is village, a domineering rich rancher, his killers - workers - cowboys, the corrupted sheriff. A pavid citizenship: none say or do anything. Then, it comes the hero (almost always with one or two friends, ex-criminals but on the good way). Just at the end, when the bad is defeated, the rest of the people stands by his hero. :-)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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el hijuepu says on Jun 20, 2006, 13:02:

So you have a lot of friends. And it is also common for you to run into people that you know. And you don't know anyone who has moved from a estrata 1 to a estrata 6 on the up and up...
So what?
That means absolutely nothing.
Your correct when you say that it's not very scientific. It holds no water at all.

Just listen to how stupid this sounds:

I was born in the US. I lived my entire life in the US. I have a lot of friends here. It is not uncommon for me to run into people I know here. I don't know anyone who has ever killed anybody here in the US. So that must mean that there are no murders here in the US.

Colombia is much bigger than DonGringolandia.

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robi666 says on Jun 20, 2006, 13:11:

Don, you know the reason...
For money, nothing else. I am not arguing on this, it would be foolish, we have been extensively discussing about it on another thread. But this is not the thread about that.
I am arguing on the "stand up and fight" thing.
And I am saying that it has nothing to do, or better, not much to do, with the economical - political reasons that you were writing about.
About the movies... just a joke, but it is the way they showed us Americans in the Spaghetti Western movies.
Bandits and farmers and rich cats? Are you talking about Autodefensas? I am not sure I got it...

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Colombiche says on Jun 20, 2006, 14:35:

Oiga... que suerte la de su novia, parece que los atracadores la aman.

No sera mas bien que a "su merce'" le vieron cara de cajero electronico?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Rubiazo says on Jun 20, 2006, 14:53:

at Dongringo Many people in this world could really fucking care less if they live in estrato 6 or not. For some people, even Estrato 1 is perfectly fine. Not everybody has to live their life in pursuit of shallow material things!

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fennell01 says on Jun 20, 2006, 15:52:

I had to add this..
A perfect example of American sticking together and kicking ass...this happened TODAY...

A man profiled on "America's Most Wanted" was arrested after he allegedly snatched a woman's purse and she chased him down, authorities said.

Redlands police on Monday arrested Jesse Anthony Carrion, 28, of Lewiston, Maine, for investigation of theft and discovered he has warrants in several eastern states for burglary, assault, auto theft and weapons charges, said Carl Baker, a police spokesman in Redlands, about 60 miles east of Los Angeles.

Caron had allegedly grabbed Katherine Bolter's purse outside an Office Depot store Monday morning. Bolter, 51, said she kicked off her shoes and chased after him. Two carpenters working nearby joined the pursuit and helped surround him, she said.

One of the carpenters tackled him, and Bolter held on to his belt until police arrived, she said.

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billyb says on Jun 20, 2006, 19:41:

Fennell, do a google... search on Kitty Genovesi. She was knifed to death in Brooklyn while a couple dozen people watched from their windows and not a one ran out to help, yelled for the attackers to stop or even called the police (famous case). Another perfect example on Americans stick together. I am really very pro-American, but ignorant and onesided comments like yours above force a weak person to reply in kind.

BillyB

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robi666 says on Jun 20, 2006, 19:54:

Jesus Christ... Brooklyn? Genovesi?
But they are Italians not Americans, BillyB. ;-)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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billyb says on Jun 20, 2006, 20:04:

Robi, one thing we... be sure about, is that she wasn't related to Don Vito Genovesi.

BillyB

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Colombian_in_Arabia says on Jun 24, 2006, 09:00:

Too Much Stupidity The majotity of the people are third world?
Cucuta is a shit town?
Fuc#ing Colombia?

Very close-minded and absolutely false.

How dare you!!

Stupidity, stupidity and stupidity!!

You should apologize. You wrote very nasty things about an entire nation. About my nation.

P.S. Sorry your girlfriend was robbed.

Betto the Man

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 24, 2006, 22:16:

Why would Utopia, with its enormous population, need a deputy? If there is no crime there, or any possibility of crime in Utopia, wouldnt the expense for law enforcement almost amount to a criminal misuse of public monies? Of course, if no crime has happened in your front yard, you could claim you are crime free. Just like most people who have not been victimized, and are crime-free.....but being in denial that crime cannot occur in your city is foolhardy and hilarious.....i take it there are no criminal attorneys in your little piece of the earth, either? But, i would imagine that sibling sex crimes would be much higher in such tiny towns......=)..i guess its not a crime if it is not reported....hmmmmmmmmmm.......

DG..yup, like i said, 1 opinion originating from a city of at least 8 million,....kind of puts your opinions in perspective......and from reading many of your comment, there are credibility issues as well.....but, Thanks for Sharing!! =)

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 7 F-ing días...Colombia es pasión!

"F.A.R.C..S.U.C.K.S"

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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lawyerincolombia says on Jul 14, 2006, 09:13:

Lawyer in Cali Colombia I am a certified lawyer in Colombia. My name is Carlos Arturo Dorado and I can help to you about inmigration and legal problems in Colombia.
I am located in Cali Colombia.

Best regards:
Carlos Dorado
http://nicelatinladies.com/abogado.html

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Coqueton says on Feb 9, 2007, 23:40:

She wasn´t robbed in Colombia, it was Venezuela. Don´t ask how I know but this is a small world. We were both played.

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panthdave says on Feb 10, 2007, 04:15:

Fennel you cannot blame all of Colombia.. Thats like a robbery here in Miami and you say the fockin United States.I feel safer in Medellin than I do in Miami..I am not in your shoes..but this happens.. You need to be smart..Your girlfriend needs to change how she does things with money. Blaming Colombia is crazy..I am thinking you posted PBH while you were still very upset..I definitely would be upset and also upset that I could not be down there with my girlfriend. I go to ATM's inside Grocery Stores and Malls but you know what many vendors except Visa/Mastercard so I don't carry cash that much..Grocery Store Restaurants Department Stores/ Medellin is not that much of a third world anymore. Here in Miami we had an employee go cash a Petty Cash Check for Grats/Porterage for group coming into Miami Airport. They followed here all way to the front of our company entrance from the bank and ripped the purse off here shoulder. So am I suppose to say Fockin United States no this happens everywhere.. Money is the Evil of the World. Fennel my girlfriend doesn't ask for money either she works selling clothes in Centro and pays for her own University. I did send her some money to pay off my furniture which I put a deposit down because I came short and had to wait for another paycheck here in Miami. She is having the rest of the furniture installed in my apartment in Castropol Pobalado.. Did not experience or see a robbery yet in Medellin even in Centro but I did see a dead body covered up in between Oviedo Mall and Carulla on Poblado Avenue with a few DAS around the dead body..on the sidewalk..Don't know what happened and funny that was the first time I was in Medellin but that did not make me say Fockin Colombia. I love it and right now I have a nice girlfriend who I get along with and meeting new friends..Well you know what too she does not want to leave Medellin and loves Medellin. She does want to go to Miami Beach for a week and see the pretty people and famous people but thats about it. I am not cracking United States either this is my country and I do pay my taxes shit actually have to send a 101.00 dollars by April 15th.

So Fennel when you calm down what happened look at the whole picture.. I would have posted the samething if I was in the upset mode. Thats why when I am upset I take a few minutes alone and put things in perspective.


Peace out
Viva Colombia y United States Great Allies

panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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Coqueton says on Feb 10, 2007, 08:41:

Well my post wasn´t random nor accidental. My vote is scammed, yes I was too, by same person. I´ll post a bit later with how I was duped. now I´ll never even think of dating long distance. I do love the Colombianas but wouldn´t date one unless she lived close.

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miamimike says on Feb 10, 2007, 09:18:

Go to Miami and Meet One, 1000s of them in the greater Miami area. Safer and cheaper also but expect them to be quite a bit more selective as they are already here in the USA,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Coqueton says on Feb 10, 2007, 21:16:

Be nice to him, please. I didn´t mean to drag him into it all, was just thinkin of it last night and feelin crappy. Don´t know why. Oh well, goin back to Mexico in a few days and have some dates lined up there with girls who have visas. It will be nice to have a distraction.

Nobody likes to admit being tricked. Some are good at being deceiving. I was deceived but lost nothing. The poor guy was tricked like me, not a good spot, don´t kick him when he´s down. Hopefully we all come away older and wiser and probably a little more untrusting of ladies in far away places.

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 10, 2007, 21:20:

I would have to say that you are better off in Mexico where the women are not gringo crazy. If anything being a gringo is a strike against you in Mexico. If a Mexicana is interested in a gringo, generally it's because she genuinely likes him. Out of curiosity what city in Mexico?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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adrimm says on Feb 10, 2007, 21:38:

Sorry I'm clearly missing something, why was this thread resurrected?

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Coqueton says on Feb 10, 2007, 21:49:

Thread was resurrected when I noticed I and another shared the same girl and she told each of us a different story. I didn´t know he was a poster until i read the older threads and said wow, and alot was being filled in time wise.

I live near Guadalajara. I have a home there and am there monthly. I also work in Mexico and have a decent job. I talk, look and act Mexican, or not foreign may be a better way to phrase it. I know the country well, have been all over and have friends all over, some in high places. I can pass easily for an American or Mexican, I have Spanish blood in me but blue eyes so I can play both sides. Down with whitey or dang Mexicans.

I´ve met many educated Mexican girls and nobody wants to leave Mexico. The ones that leave are really desperate and I don´t run in their circles. Mexico is a very rich country with many millionaires. The world´s 3rd richest man is Mexican, Carlos Slim. Unfortunately, the Mexicans most see are the poor, criminal, peasant classes and desperate and they don´t get to see the educated and upper classes that have no desire of leaving their homeland. Most people would be shocked to see what the typical metropolitan dwelling Mexican looks like, they probably couldn´t distinguish them from any European or American. The girls in Guadalajara are known for their long hair, light features and being tall and beautiful, very similar to Colombianas.

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miamimike says on Feb 10, 2007, 23:11:

"My dollars to your donuts says he WAS sending money too! " This is the first mark of an American Gringo Sap! When will they learn,,,,

Coqueton,good point you make on the Women from Guadalajara, they are pretty and some very European looking. My Ex was from Guadalajara and NO,I sent no Damn money and she bought her own ticket on 3 different trips to and from the USA, as well as all her own funds! Those Mexican women have one hell of a temper when you get them fired up, to put it mildly!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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billyb says on Feb 10, 2007, 23:28:

Coqueton, I agree with you on several points.. Carlos Slim, America Movil (AMX) good investment, Guadalajara does have some beautifull women, more on the spanish side than the indigenous (and for the PC crowd, save it, beautifull women are beautifull regardless of race)and yes, women that have a good family, social and economic situation, have no desire to leave for the US, or anywhere else for that matter.

BillyB

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billyb says on Feb 10, 2007, 23:29:

And yes Mike, don't ever get them real pissed off. BillyB

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goin_south says on Feb 11, 2007, 00:32:

So, then will you guys pray tell me, how is a mexicana different from una colombiana, in that regard? (don't ever get them real pissed off!), or even from a gringa, for that matter. Women are much like attorneys; they have rights that the ordinary male doesn't have! and, if she is a female attorney....mexicana,...and you get her REALLY PISSED? (Better get that cup on!) jjeje

Paz y prosperidad para Colombia.

'what does it mean, when one of you (colombians) tell another: YOU WERE NOT/ARE NOT. 'COLOMBIAN ENOUGH'?? jejeje..a mixture, I think, of stupidity mixed with a false sense of arrogance.. How 'colombian' do you have to be? to be 'colombian enough

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billyb says on Feb 11, 2007, 00:39:

To paraphrase someone on here once .. if you're going to piss them off (colombian, mexican or otherwise) don't do it before you fall sleep if you know what I mean.

BillyB

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aztec says on Feb 11, 2007, 08:55:

billyb, your obversation is correct, at least in my case. "women that have a good family, social and economic situation, have no desire to leave for the US, or anywhere else for that matter."

My wife's family was shocked and not at all happy about her finding someone not a Colombian. They actually sent an emissary to my hometown to check on my legitimacy.

She is a university graduate and had one of the better jobs in Bogotá