Getting married in Medellin

utopiacowboy says on Jan 2, 2006, 06:58:

I got married in Medellin and I highly recommend it. My wife arranged the entire thing and it was a wonderful wedding and reception as well as inexpensive. Have your novia go to the notaria and get their requirements. The National Benefits Center is processing K-3 visa petitions right now in less than a month.

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Hunter says on Jan 2, 2006, 09:02:

treeshark2 I just hope this isn't the treeshark I know????????

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treeshark2 says on Jan 2, 2006, 11:12:

I saw in another thread that the rules had changed 11 months ago but that the notarias seemed not to know this. However getting the novia to talk to them seems like the logical first step. Thanks utopiacowboy.

Sorry Hunter old boy but your hope has been dashed. Miss not having a colombiana here with me in the states.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 2, 2006, 11:55:

The US embassy has an excellent summary of the requirements for both civil and Catholic marriage: http://bogota.usembassy.gov/wwwsmare.shtml The only problem is the notarias will vary in what they want. Some of them want translations and apostilles on everything and others are satisfied with documents in English. Some expect the extranjeros to meet the same documentary requirements as Colombians which just isn't possible. I think we used Notaria #5.

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Hunter says on Jan 2, 2006, 12:39:

treeshark 2 Sad news mate, sad news.

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treeshark2 says on Jan 2, 2006, 13:55:

http://bogota.usembassy.gov/wwwsmare.shtml gave me all the answers I needed. Will have to get my BC yet again. and the Apostilles. Then I suppose putting 200,000 CP with my paperwork would solve any other problems.

Indeed sad news in a way. But since cheating on your esposa seems to be the favorite Colombian hobby, things may not change that much anyway. This is not a soap opera love affair. She is my best friend. And this is the only way that I can get a visa for her to visit me in the states. If the US would issue tourist visas, would not do all this.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 2, 2006, 14:50:

You never know, Treeshark, you may find that marriage to a Colombiana suits you.

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raalrock7 says on Jan 2, 2006, 15:35:

REQUESTING WEIRD INFO UTC, i just spoke to my novia and she spoke to a notario in Envigado. In order for me to get married i need my birth certificate translated to spanish with a date no more than three months from the present, a certified copy of my passport and a certified copy of my "solteria" from the US embassy?! What does a "certified" copy mean and how would i get this from the US embassy? Does any of this sound familiar? Please let me know... Thanks.

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Hunter says on Jan 2, 2006, 15:37:

UC Treshark is a old dog, he is worse than most Colombians.

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raalrock7 says on Jan 2, 2006, 15:45:

Apostille?? What is an apostille and how do i go about getting one? Please help.

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treeshark2 says on Jan 3, 2006, 02:54:

here is copy of info from http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/node/15868

Colombian Civil Law Requirements

The following documentary requirements must be completed to satisfy the civil law regarding marriage in Colombia. Civil marriage is a contract which takes effect upon issuance of the deed of marriage (escritura pública de matrimonio civil), which is issued by a notary public. In order to process the deed of marriage the foreigner has to identify himself with his passport or a Colombian foreigner identification card. It is no longer necessary to have a marriage visa to marry in Colombia.

U.S. birth certificate: The U.S. citizen, if not born in Colombia, must obtain a certified copy of his/her birth certificate, issued within the three months prior to the wedding. The certified birth certificate, if issued in a language other than Spanish, must be translated into Spanish by an official translator and must have an Apostille.

Certificado de soltería: The U.S. citizen must present a notarized, written statement, executed by a family member or close friend who has known him/her for more than ten years, stating that he/she has never been married. If issued in a language other than Spanish, this statement must be translated into Spanish by an official translator and must have an Apostille.

Apostille: The Hague convention abolishing the requirement of legalization for foreign documents dated October 5, 1961 entered into force for the United States on October 15, 1981. The Convention entered into force for Colombia on January 30, 2001. Documents originating in the United States require for recognition in Colombia an Apostille issued by competent U.S. authorities.

If either the U.S. citizen or his/her Colombian fiancé/e have previously been married in other than a Roman Catholic ceremony, a Certificate of Dissolution must be presented, properly authenticated, depending on whether it was issued in Colombia or abroad, as indicated above. If issued in a language other than Spanish, this statement must be translated into Spanish by an official translator and must have an Apostille.

When these documents have been prepared as indicated, they should be delivered to a Colombian notary for processing. The Colombian spouse should at this time provide an authenticated birth certificate issued within the month prior to the wedding, as well as an authenticated copy of his/her cédula.

For civil ceremonies, the notary will be able to offer instruction on petitioning a Colombian judge to perform the wedding service.

Please note that after the wedding, the U.S. citizen must provide the Colombian notary (who has processed the papers) confirmation that the municipality in the U.S. which earlier issued his/her birth certificate has been informed of the marriage. Additionally, the marriage certificate must be registered with the Colombian notary.

so raalrock what does the word "certified" mean???? To me it could mean either notarized or it could refer to the apostille. I guess have the novia ask the notario in Envigado what he means by certified.

Apostille is also a French word which means a certification. It is commonly used in English to refer to the legalisation of a document for international use under the terms of the 1961 Hague Convention Abolishing the Requirement for Legalisation for Foreign Public Documents. A document which has been certified with a conformant apostille is accepted for legal use in all the nations that have signed the Hague Convention. It is comparable (but not identical) to an attestation by a notary public in common law systems.

see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille and

http://bogota.usembassy.gov/wwwfapos.pdf for more info/

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jmunozye says on Jan 3, 2006, 14:27:

hi my name is July.
I am a colombian girld looking for a gental men who wants to get married with me btween 24 and 30 years old. I am 21 years old.

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lpdiver says on Jan 20, 2006, 09:06:

I married in Medellin And had a great time. I had all my documents translated and apostilled. I had my wife speak with the notaria as to requirements. I then faxed all documents so the notaria could approve them ahead of time.

She was satisfied and only needed to see the originals.

My two problems were...getting there...it took three days.

And the notaria sheduled the wedding for the wrong day.

You can have a really lavish wedding for a little money.


Tony

"cook some rice!"

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treeshark2 says on Jan 31, 2006, 07:24:

Stuff from notaria HELP ??? My novia sent me this by email.. I now have my birth certificate with apostille. Waiting to get my divorce papers with apostille.

But do not understand what is going on with the form that I am supposed to sign.


EXTRANJEROS: 11 TODOS LOS DOCUNENTOS DEBEN SER TRADUCIDOS AL IDIONA ESPAÑOL POR TRADUCTOR OFICIAL"



* CERTIFICADO DE NACIMIENTO CON SELLOS DEL APOSTILLE EN EL MINISTERIO DE RELACIONES EXTERIORES O EN LA ENTIDAD CORRESPONDIENTE.



* FOTOCOPIA AUTENTICA DEL PASAPORTE.

* DECLARACION DE SOLTERIA O EN EL CASO DE QUE SER DIVORCIADO(A) LA SENTENCIA DEL DIVORCIO CON SELLOS DEL APOSTILLE EN EL MINISTERIO DE RELACIONES EXTERIORES O EN LA ENTIDAD CORRESPONDIENTE.

* PUBLICACION DE EDICTO EN EL CONSULADO COLOMBIANO MAS CERCANO AL LUGAR DONDE VIVE POR UN TERMINO DE CINCO (5) DIAS HABILES. Para realizar la Publicación de Edicto de Matrimonio se deben presentar los documento antes exigidos y los siguientes datos del Extranjero ante la Notaria en Medellin:

.Nombre completo del Extranjero

.Numero de Pasaporte

.Lugar y fecha de nacimiento

.Dirección, teléfono y ocupación

Nombre de los padres

* DEBE ANEXAR UN PODER PARA QUE LA (EL) NOVIA (O) CON LOS DOCUMENTOS ANTES EXIGIDOS INICIE ANTE LA NOTARIA.LOS TRAMITES DEL MATRIMONIO, ESTE PODER TAMBIEN DEBE SER APOSTILLADO EN EL MINISTERIO DE RELACIONES EXTERIORES O EN LA ENTIDAD CORRESPONDIENTE O AUTENTICADO EN CONSULADO COLOMBIANO EN EL PAIS DONDE VIVE. SI LA AUTENTICACION LA REALIZA ANTE EL CONSULADO DE COLOMBIA DEBE HACER LEGALIZAR LA FIRMA DEL CONSUL ANTE EL MINISTERIO DE RELACIONES EXTERIORES

EN BOGOTA COLOMBIA.



MODELO DE PODER PARA INICIAR TRAMITES DEL MATRIMONIO.



SEÑORES

NOTARIA QUINTA DEL CIRCULO DE MEDELLIN

CIUDAD MEDELLIN



REF: PODER ESPECIAL.

.... , identificado con Pasaporte Número ,

manifiesto mediante el presente documento que otorgo Poder

Especial, Amplio y Suficiente a mi novia XXXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXXX mayor

de edad. identificada con Cédula de Ciudadanía Número'xxxxxxxx expedida en MEDELLIN , para que en mi representación inicie y

y adelante los tramites necesarios par llevar a cabo nuestro matrimonio civil. .

mi apoderada queda ampliamente facultada para firmar, recibir reclamar, desistir aclarar transigir, sustituir, reasumir, conciliar y demás facultades inherentes única y exclusivamente al presente poder­.

Para constancia de lo anterior firmo y autentico ante autoridad competente.

___________________________________

P. P Nro



LOS DOCUMENTOS SE DEBEN PRESENTAR ANTE EL DESPACHO DE LA HOTARIA CON POR LO MENOS ,DIEZ (lO) DíAS HÁBILES DE ANTERIORIDAD AL MATRIMONIO. LOS DOCUMENTOS DEL EXTRANJIRO TIENEN VALIDEZ DE TRES (3) ME SES.

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Peter Miami says on Jan 31, 2006, 17:44:

Treeshark are you a dirty dog? LOL

Peter Miami

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treeshark2 says on Feb 4, 2006, 06:59:

Woof Woof Woof

Soon as I get my divorce papers with the Apostille, I am ready to go. Bought the tickets for the trip to Medellin last night.

Sometimes I think that marriage to a Colombiana will suit me just right like utopiacowboy says.

Other times I think more like Hunter, WTF am I doing??

Will try to stay at Medellin Mansion for some of my time there so I can think about this.

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 4, 2006, 08:44:

Dude, even after three years, I'll find myself at work fantasizing about my wife. Que mamacita!

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demarco says on Mar 2, 2006, 17:53:

What about the pre-nup? I'm also think about going the K3 route. But what about
getting a pre-nup? Has anybody done this? How much time
is added when including this in the mix. The girl will
agree, but finding a lawyer for her may be a challenge.
I need to make sure its iron-clad.

Also, is it true that if the marriage does not work out
within 2 years and you divorce, the women gets sent back?

RDJ

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treeshark2 says on Mar 5, 2006, 18:30:

FINALLY GOT MY DIVORCE PAPERS Jeez, it took almost a month to get the certified divorce papers from the Commonwealth of Virginia. I leave tomorrow and will be in Medellin on Tuesday. Will go visit the Notaria on Wednesday and see what happens. I will try to update while I am there.

For rdj2003, yes I would get a pre-nup. I would get a pre-nup for any marriage. HOWEVER there is no such thing as an iron=clad pre-nup. I talked to one of the best divorce lawyers in Virginia. He said that there are so many legal problems with a pre-nup that you should not even bother with one. He also said that almost everyone who drew them up ended up in divorce court. He suggested that if you were fool enough to get married, just take your chances.

There is a 2 week wait after you get permission from the notaria to get married. I will talk with my novia then about it and we will have one done. In fact the novia and I will have a real long talk about what happens if things do not work out in the marriage. One copy in English and one in Spanish. No pre-nup, no marriage.

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Crazy4Cali says on Mar 6, 2006, 17:19:

I'm not a lawyer... ...but I live in a community property state, so the best thing a pre-nup could do in my case is simply provide an undisputed (i.e. pre-agreed upon) list of the seperate property for both people. In a divorce, you could then move those items off the table and get down to fighting over the community property (i.e. the property you acquired after the wedding).

Fortunately (unfortunately?) my last two relationships cleaned me out, so neither of us had much worth listing. But one good thing about hitting rock bottom is that it can only get better...which it has :)

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treeshark2 says on Mar 21, 2006, 08:28:

Still not married Well it has been fun so far. not married but still fun. Went to Notaria 5 two weeks ago. Had everything but the transltions for my stuff. People at notaria suggested the college that is so good about teaching english. was supposed to take a week . ended up two weeks. Went back to notaria this morning and she looked at all the papers, said it looked perfect but wants me to talk to a lawyer first to make sure everything is correct???? Of course the lawyer will not be in until tomorrow. I leave in 16 days so will see what happens.

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 21, 2006, 10:39:

That is the same one we used a couple of years ago. We didn't need no stinkin' lawyer. We used a translator in Medellin named Carlos Enrique Gil who had things translated within a day or two.

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aperez says on Mar 22, 2006, 06:02:

getting married to colombian women Hello there I've been visiting in Colombia for 5 months now and decided I want to marry my girlfriend of 2 years. She is colombian and we had met on her trips to the US. We live together there and fincally decided to move down here. My turist visa will expire in one month, I already used up my six months. My question is if I marry her now will I be able to stay here longer, going back and forth to the US is expensive especially since I want to live here now, we have a great place and I want to start a business but I need to get my cedula first. Help, if I marry her do I get to stay in colombia longer, under a different type of Visa??? thanks,,

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treeshark2 says on Mar 24, 2006, 10:30:

WTF with the lawyer Well, have been all week trying to see the damn lawyer. Keep getting the run a round from the chica who answers the phone at the lawyer´s office. Went to notaria cinco since that is the one utopiacowboy went to.
Guess it is time to sit back and try again with this. thinking about going back to the notaria and see what happens.
HOWEVER now having a problem with the pre-nup. Until we work that out, I am not ready to get married anyway. Well maybe next trip then. At least the novia knows I am serious since I have ALL the paperwork to get married now.

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demarco says on Mar 26, 2006, 21:30:

I went to Notaria 29 this past week and the Notary recommended going to San Andreas. They said alot less paperwork and showed me copies of the paperwork from several couples married in San Andreas, they said it is identical to the documents you would receive if married in Medellin. All the non-Colombian needs is a passport which shows they are +18 yrs. The Colombian being married needs a passport and a Registro Civil certified for marriage.

They call it Las Vegas style Colombian marriage. Supposedly to boost tourism in San Andreas. Thats what they told me.

Here is the contact info for the:

NOTARIA UNICA DE SAN ANDRES (NOTARÍA UNICA DE SAN ANDRÉS )

Av 20De Julio 8-53 Sector Joe Wood Point
COLOMBIA - San Andrés y Providencia, San Andrés
Telefonos: (57)(8)5122112, (57)(8)5126119

--Hey TreeShark, can you post the high lights of your pre-nup, did you put it together yourself?

Thanks

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treeshark2 says on Mar 31, 2006, 10:24:

Getting married on hold now Sigh, we have had a bit of a disagreement so wedding is now on hold. As far as I can tell, I had all my paperwork done perfect. Not really that bad.

For prenup, yes did it myself. However was planning to have lawyer spice it up. First if marriage does not work out, no fault divorce. Either of us can ask for divorce and the other will not contest the divorce. Martial property to be split 50-50 except for first 3 years. Whoever asks for divorce first 3 years only gets 10%, other person 90%. That was really all. No divorce in my home state also.

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PanosL1 says on May 12, 2006, 09:23:

Hi July.. I want to get married to a colombian girl..please contact me

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Gringo_Chino says on May 16, 2006, 16:48:

K-3 Visa How do you do all the paper work for a K-3 visa? I read that you have to do all the paper work in Colombia. If you are back in the U.S. how do you do it?

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