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Friends try to stop Killian grad's deportation

Two months after graduating at the top of his class, a Kendall teen faces deportation to Colombia. His friends at Killian High are trying to help him.


BY KATHLEEN McGRORY
kmcgrory at MiamiHerald.com

Juan Gomez was poised for greatness. At Miami Killian High, he aced 15 Advanced Placement classes and earned a near-perfect score on his SATs. He exceled in football and was popular with classmates.

At Miami Killian High, he aced 15 Advanced Placement classes and earned a near-perfect score on his SATs. He exceled in football and was popular with classmates. He had plans to attend Miami Dade College's Honors College.

But on Thursday, Gomez, 18, sat in an immigrant detention facility in Broward County, periodically placing desperate calls to friends. He's being deported to Colombia, where he was born.

Gomez's friends first found out about his ordeal in text messages he sent them as immigration agents drove him and his family to the facility. Hours later, more than 400 teens came to his defense the best way they knew how -- using the Web.

The teens have joined a virtual assemblage on Facebook.com and are furiously writing letters to lawmakers in Tallahassee and Washington, begging them to help Gomez.

''He's one of the smartest kids I know and an amazing friend,'' said Scott Elfenbein, 18, the Killian graduate leading the effort. ``We're doing all that we can to help him.''

Julio and Liliana Gomez and their two sons -- Alejandro, 19, and Juan -- have lived in the country since 1990. They came to South Florida on a visitor's visa, immigration officials said, authorizing the family to stay in the country for no more than six months.

Juan Gomez was 2 years old.

The family started a small catering company and enrolled their children in public schools, friends said. It's unclear why they chose to stay.

At Killian, Gomez was known for his good grades and his playful sense of humor. He had dozens of friends and enjoyed movies, video games and sports, his buddies said. He also worked a restaurant job to help support his family.

In May, Gomez graduated in the top 20 of his 780-member class, friends said.

''If there is a more appropriate poster child for who we should NOT be deporting in this recent immigration discussion it is Juan,'' Eric Krause, a U.S. government teacher at Killian, told The Miami Herald in an e-mail. ``Deporting a student who the entire Killian faculty would describe as one of the best our high school has ever produced is not the American way.''

He had hoped to go to Harvard or the University of Pennsylvania but had trouble applying because of his illegal status. Instead, he enrolled in Miami Dade College's honors program to study business administration. Officials at the school said he showed tremendous potential and promise.

But problems were brewing.

The family had gone to immigration court to seek legal status, and a judge turned them down. Five years ago, the Board of Immigration Appeals agreed.

''They had five years to make arrangements to return to their home country,'' said Barbara Gonzalez, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokeswoman in Miami. ``Instead of complying with the law, they ignored it and remained in the country.''

The deportation order caught up with them Wednesday. About 6:30 a.m., Gomez and his relatives were roused from their sleep at their Kendall home by immigration agents. They were handcuffed, loaded into the back of a squad car and hauled to Broward County, Gomez told his friends.

While in the cruiser, Gomez called and messaged his friends from his cellphone. He told them his father is at Krome detention center, while the rest of the family is being held at a facility in Broward. Gomez and his brother are sharing a cell with three other men. Their mother is being held in a separate women's facility.

''He says it's like purgatory,'' said Elfenbein, who spoke with Gomez on Thursday. ``It's terrible. This couldn't have happened to a nicer person.''

Elfenbein and his friends weren't about to sit idly by.

Hours after Gomez was detained, they mobilized on Facebook, the popular social networking site. They started a group dedicated to keeping Gomez in the country.

''We wanted to reach out to everybody,'' Elfenbein said. ``We figured the easiest, fastest way to do that would be using Facebook.''

Elfenbein posted directions on how to contact state and local lawmakers. He also included information on pending immigration legislation and pictures of Gomez.

Since Thursday morning, more than 400 teens have joined the group. Two dozen have posted the letters they're sending to lawmakers. Many are pushing Congress to pass the DREAM Act, legislation that would provide a path to citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants.

''We all just want to be there for Juan,'' said Kayla Rodriguez, 18, one of Gomez's best friends. ``He would be there for us.''

The students aren't the only ones concerned with Gomez's situation. Cheryl Little, executive director of the Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, said her office is looking into the family's case.

''We learn of a lot of cases like this at the last minute,'' she said. ``Often times, it's very difficult to help. People are deported very quickly.''

Little said she's concerned this kind of activity is on the rise. ''First, they're separated. Then, their lives are literally turned upside down on a moment's notice,'' she said. ``It's heartbreaking.''

Gonzalez, the ICE spokeswoman, said the arrest shouldn't be surprising.

''It's unfortunate that parents place their children in these situations by breaking the law,'' she said. ``But they did break the law.''

Late Thursday, Elfenbein and his friends gathered at a southwest Miami-Dade restaurant to plan the next phase of their attack. They knew time was running out.

''He's looking at a very, very slim chance of staying here,'' Elfenbein said. ``Short of the president stepping in, it's going to be hard to keep him in this country. We're doing all we can.''


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Miamigo says on Jul 27, 2007, 09:26:

They did pay state taxes because Florida uses a sales tax instead of an income tax. Plus, even if they rented all of that time instead of owned, somebody was paying property taxes with that rent, and property taxes pay for school. At most they lived off of and used federal services, but what are those here, heh, hurricane relief, we all know the feds do a heckuva job with that.

Yeah, they overstayed and should be deported, but I don't like it, This is a good family and a good kid. Plus the kid is always going to be known as gringo in Colombia because he'll have this American accent.

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miamimike says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:31:

Concerning those who operate Cash Businesses--they do so here in Miami(I live here btw) and its unfair competition to the Honest Business men who go thru all the Hoops of securing the Appopriate Licenses and Worker's Comp. Then you have Unlicensed Businesess competing unfairly against ALL those who are honest and the Honest Businesses have to DROP their prices and wages to keep their Customers. Its grossly Unfair these Illegal Businesses are allowed to operate. Its one thing that is dropping the Overall wages here in Miami-all these Illegals with businesses. Huge Huge Problem in Miami!! Fair is fair and everyone should have to compete equally. On the Immigration, I am with the Son(juan)he should be allowed to stay and here's why: We have all these Cuban Criminals here in Miami(dope dealers, medicare scammers , felons, ect) and because they are Cuban they are protected because of the 1966 Cuban Adjustment Act, what makes them better then this Juan who appears to be an upstanding young person??? They let the Criminals stay in Miami and deport someone Good like him. He should not have to pay for his parents's Immigration sins. I agree the Parents should be deported as they ignored US Deportation orders but don't make the Son suffer for their indiscretions! Repeal the Cuban Adjustment Act! Grossly unfair as this is an Antiquated law that has outlived its usefulness. ALL immigrants should be judged by the same law. Cubans today coming to the USA are NOT coming for Political freedom to escape castro and communism, they are coming for Economic Freedom like the Colombians and Haitians.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:41:

If the family never paid federal income tax (corporate or personal) they were still "free-riders" as the economists say. I believe almost all (all?) public schools receive state and federal money; they are not self-sufficient based solely on local property taxes.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:45:

hey, Tinto,...you found Bin Laden yet?? =)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:47:

"It's unclear why they chose to stay."....all i have to say is that is one stupid reporter....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Robert Jorge says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:47:

What a sad situation. I feel bad for the kid. This story is another example of why you should do things the right way. (legally) I do have one question / observation: If they were handcuffed and put in a squad car, how did the kid text message friends?

He who farts in church, sits in his own pew.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:53:

Let's see...the parents had two kids...maybe each spent 12 years each in public schools x $6000 to $8000 annual cost per student. That's $168,000 they drained from the system and that's just for education. Then there's health care, libraries, parks, police, fire and everything else our taxes cover for local, state and national purposes.

Deport the parents and one of their sons. Keep the smart son and put an IRS garnish on his wages for eternity. ;-)

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miamimike says on Jul 27, 2007, 10:54:

Prorbably handcuffed the parents. The Da is detained in my old Workplace, the Federal Krome detention center in SW Miami-a mosquito infested wetland. A friend of ours, Colombian also, was taken there 2 months ago and is also slated for deportation. H, like Juan's parents, were guilty of overstaying their Tourist Visas. They also had a home in SW miami and worled para la izquierda. Sad, except for this Visa shortcoming, these folks get deported and Cuban Felons are released from Krome and allowed to continue their Crimes.Saw 100s of Mariel Cubans, all Criminals in Krome, released to freedom in Miami! Our US Immigration system is grossly unfair in this respect,,,

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webmanco says on Jul 27, 2007, 11:00:

It is sad for the whole family regardless of right or wrong doing. I know of a woman who had been denied visa to Canada where her only son and only grandson reside 8 years ago. For her to see him she needs to got to USA. He only could comeback to Colombia once and after 7 years due to his refugee status.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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panthdave says on Jul 27, 2007, 12:48:

This is the funny thing usually ICE will go after only the easy ones who have paper work filed and a judge ordered a deportation order...ICE very rarely gets the underground ones unless they raid a workplace or the local police have arrested a illegal on a felony charge OR the Big question somebody knarked them out...Yes its a shame I work all my life and have to pay taxes each year and file and also I am a W-2 and not a 1099 who is always on the run and gets away with murder..Very famalier with ICE in there nice little white vehicles. Gringo has a point what would happen if I did that in Colombia...I would be fined before I can leave the country at least the United States just deports you and does not fine you..I betya Colombia would you keep you until you pay the fine and beg a family member to wire the funds. Anyways it is a shame after so many years there getting deported when millions in the USA are getting away with murder...I stress again ICE only goes after the easy ones....there lazy...they should be going after the ones that hide underground and with fake Social Cards...and the ones who process paper correctly and judge orders deportation then ICE goes after those because there easy...Discrimination I see here with ICE because they don't go after everybody...

Hope everything works out..and the family will get an appeal status and be released so they can have chance to process paper work correctly and if they did not pay taxes maybe then can pay backtaxes to straighten out there status..

panthdave Miami

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Simon says on Jul 27, 2007, 14:51:

Hey, we could use this kid here in Colombia

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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Simon says on Jul 27, 2007, 19:54:

Dude, I was so glad to come back. At least here he won't have to ever hear another cocaine joke again!

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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suis_heureux says on Jul 27, 2007, 21:50:

wow this hits close to home, I just graduated from Sunset High which is about 15 min. from Killian, I'm sure he'll be fine, I'm pretty well off academically and economically speaking(have to thank the public schools) and let's just say I wasn't in advanced placement classes.

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suis_heureux says on Jul 27, 2007, 21:51:

I forgot to mention I moved to Medellin right after high school. Not deported..close though

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rumronrum says on Jul 28, 2007, 11:37:

When people decide to break the law there are consequences. It doesn't matter how popular you are or how smart you are.

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Simon says on Jul 28, 2007, 12:39:

"Let's see...the parents had two kids...maybe each spent 12 years each in public schools x $6000 to $8000 annual cost per student. That's $168,000 they drained from the system and that's just for education. Then there's health care, libraries, parks, police, fire and everything else our taxes cover for local, state and national purposes.

Deport the parents and one of their sons. Keep the smart son and put an IRS garnish on his wages for eternity. ;-"


That's pretty cold, man. Anyway, I don't get the "$6,000 to $ 8,000 annual cost per student" part, isn't public school free in the US?

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 28, 2007, 13:11:

Taxpayer money, Simon....everyone has to chip in....and con mucho gusto we all do it....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 28, 2007, 13:15:

Yes, it's "free" to the families but it most certainly has a cost to taxpayers. Depending on the state and the school district, that cost ranges from $5,000 to $10,000 per child, per year. That is why illegal aliens with children and even citizens that are poor/working/lower middle class are an economic drain on the system for most, if not all of their lives. That's not a value judgment, it's just the economic reality in a society with highly progressive income tax rates.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 28, 2007, 13:52:

Unfortunately the kid with a bright future will suffer due to the bad decisions of his parent....but, that is life...The parents knew there was a possibility of a bad ending to the family story, but went ahead full bore...well, that bad possibility is a reality, and back to their country of origin like everyone else. Personally, i do not reward bad behavior, but rather good behavior....the parents should be banned for the 10 years then allowed to reapply, but the kid should not be similarly banned....he was too young to be a party to the bad decision making process....The kid should be allowed to reapply ASAP, not that he will get in soon at all....

my 2 pesos....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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JohnNewYork says on Jul 28, 2007, 15:12:

This is basic US politics. They republicans are pushing the illegal immigation issues. They are attempting to public concern from the war and the economy to immigration. I feel sorry for these people. IRS will collect it's back taxes and penalties before they are deported.

In Georgia, Immigration Is No Peach (Georgia is known as the peach state).
As one of the top destinations for Hispanics, the state is at the forefront of the controversy about a proposed law that would slam the door on undocumented workers.

Georgia passed one of America's toughest immigration laws

http://southeastfarmpress.com/news/072506-georgia-immigration/

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panthdave says on Jul 28, 2007, 15:36:

You really think IRS will collect back taxes before deporting them...ICE and Krome(S.Florida) will have them on flight real quick if there is no appeal status..They have limo service right to MIA>>>>>>and first class ticket you limited time before getting an appeal out...if there is deportation order now if ICE caught you not even with any papers filed I wonder how many days they keep you in Krome until you get the boot. Well I guess you cannot file papers if you overstay your Tourist Visa correct..Anyways....ICE Discriminates..and they pick and choose who to pickup...If there going to do this they need to do this with everybody so that means they can just sit in Miami,Texas,Georgia,California and just do random checks on road blocks like a DUI Checkpoint and at least there not discriminating by doing that and picking and choosing..houses to go and pickup people thats crazy Thats my biggest complaint..

panthdave Miami

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JohnNewYork says on Jul 28, 2007, 16:03:

This case is more than five years old. They went before a federal judge, taxes were paid. And those of you frequently visiting Colombian. I am sure the US Customs passed your names along to the IRS and DEA. Big brother is always watching. Why are visiting Colombia so frequenty? One minute please!

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EMAN says on Jul 28, 2007, 16:15:

Now Congress Woman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen is involved! He has some great persistent friends! For such a smart kid, he should work on his hand writing but maybe he is under stress!!

Please look at the following videos - number 5 and 19 below the Mitt Romney Video:

http://news.yahoo.com/video/2823

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panthdave says on Jul 28, 2007, 16:42:

I think I am now at 18 RT tickets within 9 months I have not been searched yet by MIA Customs and only about 10 of those times only the XRAy machine...I now only carry a little office carryon for paperwork and they just say Welcome Back.. but you know I am noticing lately they type notes everytime now..with me and notice many others quickly go thru with a US passport I walk up they swipe and they look and then they type notes on the computer..Your really think because its frequent visits to Medellin...Colombia..I do they tell them though I have an apartment and girlfriend..and they just so go...I had one customs agent tell me your lucky guy and says he sees beautiful Colombiana's coming thru all the time and there amazing..

panthdave Miami

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JohnNewYork says on Jul 28, 2007, 16:56:

I worked for the IRS for 5 years. We investigated people without them even knowing. I bet your return was reviewed. If you were a drug dealers. The government have done a jeapordy assessment. That means all your taxes, penalties and interest was due yesterday. We are seizing accounts today. And that was pre-911 I could only imagine the power they have now!

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Simon says on Jul 28, 2007, 19:21:

I saw the video on EMAN's link and the reporter quotes this Juan Gomez as saying that "Colombia would seem as foreign as China". What a little prick, on second thought, I don't want him here! I bet he doesn't even speak spanish!!

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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slguy says on Jul 29, 2007, 08:13:

I'm trying really hard to see what's "unfair" about this situation.

They overstayed a tourist visa by 17 years? 5 years ago a federal judge ordered them to leave, but they're still here?

It's a shame that the parents decided that the law didn't apply to their family. But- the kids got good educations, apparently, and the family lived the American dream for 17 years. I guess they figured- what the hell! we'll stay till they buy us a plane ticket.

I really have a tough time understanding an "honest, hardworking" description of anyone that knowingly breaks the law- for 17 years.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 29, 2007, 08:51:

And the catering business - did they have a driver's license and insurance for their vehicle(s)? If not, chalk up two more laws they broke.

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panthdave says on Jul 29, 2007, 12:03:

Again I stress....If people are going to be deported then ICE needs to go after everybody and not just pick on the easy ones only...Five years with deportation order and it took ICE that long surprising..

ICE needs to start going after the underground illegals who know there papers will never have a chance so they never file papers..and get away with murder..


In a way it is discriminating...I bet ya within a 10 mile radius of there house when they were arrested by ICE do you know how many illegals were probably in that 10 mile radius of the Kendall area...I am not even going to anwser that question...They can go to house to house in Kendall and they will need probably 1000 Motorcoaches and probably have to open the Orange Bowl and a Refugee Camp..but to pick on certain ones.

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong...

panthdave Miami

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panthdave says on Jul 29, 2007, 12:07:

Your telling me ICE has right to go to a certain House..and arrest this family and after those immigration parades for Amensty they did not arrest one of those illegals in the parade

And you telling me this is right...

NAH NAH NAH
Discrimination to the MAX....

panthdave Miami

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 29, 2007, 12:13:

Sure they have that right. They also have the right to go at 4 a.m. in the morning all dressed up in black S.W.A.T. gear and scare the bejeebers out of the illegals. I don't know if that's effective...it doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent, but they have the right to do it.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 12:13:

One illegal at a time.....so who cares how long it takes? as long as they get them in the end....discrimination? now that is funny..."Its all your fault! It too you so long to find me and arrest me!".......they have to comply will all applicable laws, and that is laws as in plural....tactics, stategies, allocation of resources, production vs cost, all come into play....oh, the ones like in the OP are the freebies.....Law violators often do make stupid mistakes, and eventually get caught....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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panthdave says on Jul 29, 2007, 12:20:

One illegal at a time..Job Security I would say....Disagree...ICE are assholes and stupid..

I disagree with illegals because of tax situations and draining the system lived here in Miami too long..to know..what goes down..

ICE pick and choose well thinking you know the cops pick and chose drug dealers on the streets one drug dealer at a time and two new ones open up.. Job Security I would say...

One illegal at a time and two new illegals arrive..or there tourist visa expires Job Security I would say..

Tinto I really think they should not have that right...unless they go after everybody...Your telling me at the parade they could not arrest one illegal at a time...bullshit...

ICE Agents are just like DEA Agents...

panthdave Miami

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 29, 2007, 12:26:

I agree that the selective enforcement of the laws makes a mockery of the whole system. They could have reeled in thousands of illegals at the parades or even at the USA-Mexico soccer game in Chicago. Now THAT would have been the perfect venue - just block the exits and you've got them all rounded up. Plus bathroom, first aid and food facilities. What a missed opportunity. Haha.

Finally, after several years of basically NO workplace enforcement they've made some highly publicized raids in the meatpacking industry (including in Minnesota) and there was that pallet company they raided a few months ago. But again, these were the first large scale raids in several years. If they don't keep it up and step it up, the efforts will be for naught.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 12:33:

ICE does alot of good work....you are entitled to your opinion on them....assholes and stupid? i would disagree....i see it as they have their hands full, in a currently hot enviroment to remove the illegals....it is indeed a reall mess nowdays,..thanks to our elected representatives, both Dem and Rep.....it has grown to such proportions that it is almost like swimming upstream.....

as far as picking favorites among the drugdealers, you can shoot your wad chasing every little street corner transactions or you get target the big fish....money is better spend chasing the big fish, and using the little fish to snitch on thier suppliers....immigration and drug enforcment are two very different beasts in nature...

Tightening the borders is necessary, but again, those useless whankers in congress , dems and rep, cant even seem to figure how to put the condom on.....thats at the stage those clowns are.......

i think arresting 99,999 illegals at a pro-immigration rally of 100,000 people might present some legal issues (ie, profiling) and some logistical problems (inmate housing, feeding them, providing medical care, toilet issues...) ...

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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panthdave says on Jul 29, 2007, 12:58:

I stand..Good to see other sides..but I see ICE Discriminates...especially between S.Americans and Mexicans..

They can go house to house in Kendall and round up a motorcoach full..but they pick one house because they have an address and and order..a judge signs..
The underground ones are smart why put your name in the system when that can happen..

I guess there are many opinions....Mine is if they can go after so many and only pick on a few then don't do it all.. yes I think they could of rounded up half at a parade..secure a perimeter so they can't leave..like Tinto said..Its a criminal act if they don't have papers so there..and there in the public area so no search warrants or arrest warrants have to be issued..

ICE are pansies they don't want to work for there paycheck and only want to have easy work. by going to house of a family and have an easy target 1-2-3..bam..

panthdave Miami

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 13:24:

the roundemup tactic would be fraught with racial profiling legal monkeywrenches ,,,,memories of japanese roundups during prior times....and a violation of the civil rights of people who are US citizens who are held capitve druing the party....damn those partypoopers! =)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 13:31:

they would be negligent if they ignored the court orders...they have to take all that is presented to them....and i think your beef would be with the top brass of ICE who call the shots, not the ground soldiers doing what their superiors, the government, and the american want and expect them to do.....

but ICE has a wide range of tactics which are used daily on a nationwide scale...the few fish and the fish school are caught ....depending on the fishing location and waters....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 13:41:

Dont let the door hit ya on your way out, Juan......=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 14:34:

Should be fairly easy to apply:

Legal....remain in US

Illegal.....Cya!

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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panthdave says on Jul 29, 2007, 14:46:

Illegall No Cya there all having a barbaques right now in Kendall and drinking beer

Well there inside right now finishing up the beer because the local thunderstorms just came rolling thru..

and in LA the illegals are having there usually family brunch right now..

So Illegall NO CYA there right here enjoying...

panthdave Miami

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panthdave says on Jul 29, 2007, 14:49:

Any I betya a few ICE Agents are having brunch and beer with them too...and telling them don't file your paperwork or I have to come after you...because you will be in the system...If you stay out of the system I cannot come after you nor do I want to because it will involve to much work..to get ya...

panthdave Miami

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 14:54:

until ICE catches up with them,, as in Juans case,however...maybe in your state, but not in CA...i have absolutely no issue with them except there should be more of them, and local LEO agencies need to join in the party and do their part......

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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panthdave says on Jul 29, 2007, 15:06:

The only issue is they need to start random check points like DUI Checkpoints..So they don't discriminate against underground ones and the ones that try to do there paperwork legally..They have a problem catching up with the ones that don't file paperwork..So until then they should stop everything until they can figure out how to go after everybody which would be easy in LA and Miami..Go house to house..at least there are not discriminating because its disgusting to have a family booted when two houses down there probably illegals underground which will never get caught because they never filed there paperwork...and ICE does not have paperwork on them....The only solution I see is random street checkpoints..because they cannot go in a house without a search warrant I am assuming..

At least everybody will be treated equally on this situation...

panthdave Miami

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 15:18:

Random DUI checkpoints are not what you think.....to be legal, in CA at least, there has to be an oppurtunity for all drivers to choose NOT to enter the checkpoint...otherwise your case will be thrown out in a heartbeat...and the DUI checkpoint legally has to be publicly advertised through the media within at least 24 hours prior to activating the checkpoint....

Anything even close to resembling a witch hunt with an all out house to house searche is not legally possible....notice i said legally.....even a new lawyer on his first case after passing the bar can get that one thrown out...so, in other words, to comply with all the laws of arrest, court decisions, appellate decisions, etc, your suggestion will never be used.....Practically speaking IF that were legally possible, then they would be doing just that...but it is not. ICE is not about to throw any fish back into the american pool, no matter how they came to the attention of ICE....btw, i posted some info on the second passport to you in the other thread....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 15:37:

Many people with easy access to the internet can download the music of their choice,,,,many minorities have more access to radio music than PC provided music....and, the hispanic target group is a rapidly expanding market.....

sure you can find George Strait in Colombia...he is known as Jorge Estrecho.....=)..bet you didnt know that, now did ya??? =)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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slguy says on Jul 29, 2007, 16:06:

Now I'm really confused.

How can anyone have issues with ICE- because they haven't rounded up 12,000,000 illegals?????

Do we tell cops not to ticket folks that run red lights- because not everyone that runs a red light gets a ticket?

I agree that ICE could certainly round up FAR more illegals than they do - but who knows what the marching orders are for the field agents? And how often Washington changes those marching orders?

Speaking from personal experience in Miami some years ago- what REALLY chafes my britches is when an illegal is jailed, receives prison time, for serious offenses - then is sent back to our streets, rather thasn deported back to wherever he came from. We already have him in custody, for god's sakes- how does he wind up back on our streets????

I think I'll go have a drink, and calm down, now....;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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EMAN says on Jul 29, 2007, 18:27:

He is extremely fortunate to have such loyal and persistent friends. They will be heading to Washington DC tomorrow Monday July 30 to fight for Juan and his brother to stay in the USA under the Dream ACT. The Dream Act, which is a law that would allow immigrant students who live in the U.S. to stay, based on the premise that, as youngsters, they had no choice but to follow their parents when they made the decision to enter this country. More information on the Dream Act below. Below the Dream Act link is a link to more videos of Juan Gomez story, there are now 6 different videos.

http://www.nilc.org/immlawpolicy/DREAM/Dream004.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/video/2823

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 29, 2007, 18:37:

as i understand it, the Dream Act is not law currently....and probably wont help Juanito at all...as it is a long ways in becoming law......Everyone caught by ICE has some sad story to tell...why should his family be any different?....unfortunately his family will get booted.....in due time....like they should....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Simon says on Jul 30, 2007, 12:13:

Hey Tinto,

I just read this in a blog about this kid:

"Now to all of you playing the "his parents haven't paid their income tax" card, let me enlighten you. At the time when the Gomez family entered the United States this fair country of ours issued you (the tourist) a temporary social security number with your tourist visa. After they overstayed their six months those social security numbers were still theirs! So no, they didn't steal anyones social and yes they did pay those pesky income taxes folks. You don't think that America would have allowed them to stay without paying their taxes because in America two things are certain death and taxes. So don't go getting crazy saying they drained the public education system, and the healthcare system and blah blah blah. And in addition to the income tax, the property taxes they paid on their home, whether theirs or rented went towards the school that corresponds to that specific neighborhood, Miami Killian."


Is this true or what?

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 30, 2007, 12:16:

Simon, I don't know. I can understand issuance of a social security number for work visas (obviously) and maybe even student visas (because a lot of college students work or are in work/study programs sponsored by the college). But a social security number issued for a TOURIST VISA? That doesn't make any sense to me.

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 30, 2007, 12:35:

On a related note: I posted a story a while ago about Dan-el Padilla, a Princeton honors graduate who won a scholarship or prestigious research position at Oxford. Problem was, he came to the U.S. from the Dominican Republic at age four and never obtained legal residency. If he accepted the position at Oxford, he would not be allowed back into the U.S. for up to ten years.

I Googled his name over the weekend and learned he's been given a one-year reprieve by the U.S. immigration officials. He can stay here on an H-1B (?) that one of his professors filed and assist him/her on a database project that has something to do with the Classics. I believe he's also allowed to go back and forth to Oxford.

Now...maybe there's a long shot that this kid from Florida will find a benefactor that helps him get into college, files the student visa paperwork and pays for it. Seems like a stretch, though, especially since the case has progressed far enough along that the kid is awaiting deportation in a detention center.

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alejandra07 says on Jul 30, 2007, 15:51:

To Tinto and Simon:

I came to this country just like the Gomez family, brought here by my parents at the age of three. When we entered the country with 6 month tourist visas and we were each issued a social security number. Remember this country was a much different place in 1991 pre-9/11, etc. But anyway my dad has been paying income taxes, property taxes, etc, from the moment the government could get their hands on them. I've been in the country for 15 years now overstaying my tourist visa as well but we were able to get our paperwork on a petition from my grandfather who is a U.S. citizen and we became naturalized citizens. I have had the same social from the first time that I entered. Fortunately for me I became naturalized before I was set to enter into college because if not this social would not have been a valid one but I suppose I got lucky that my paperwork was resolved. I suppose that the Gomez family was in the same situation, I can't be certain, but pay taxes they did one way or another (Florida has a sales tax on everything you buy by the way.) I grew up here in the United States and I possess dual citizenship holding both a beautiful brown Colombian passport and a beautiful blue one issued by the United States of America. I've only visited Colombia once after I became legalized and it was a a good experience for me. I agree with Juan though when he says that Colombia would be just as foreign as China to him, it was a real culture shock for me too when I went back for the first time and I even grew up in Miami which is heavily influenced by the Hispanic culture. This is not meant as any sort of insult, as Colombia will always be my country of birth and I can't deny my ties to it, but to me home is where you were raised not where you were born. I have been following the news and it seems like things in Colombia are looking up. The economy is expanding and this current president has really cracked down on the drug dealers, kidnappings, etc. I wish only the best to the Gomez family and his amazing group of friends.

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panthdave says on Jul 30, 2007, 16:57:

Some do pay there taxes.. and also Ilegals can get a Tax ID via IRS to pay there taxes if they cannot get a social...

Hope the best for him.....Watched yesterday on ABC Channel 10 Miami there story..but you know what is going to happen if they pardon him there going to have to pardon many others to be fair HMMMMMMMMM but ICE can be discriminating..by picking and choosing who to arrest for deportation..and not be fair..

panthdave Miami

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slguy says on Jul 30, 2007, 17:48:

From where I sit, paying taxes means you only broke one less law....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Monpirri says on Jul 31, 2007, 04:32:

I just got an email from a friend of mine and told about this unfortunate case.
Well, I hope this kid goes to Colombia and one day very soon he would become a very important immigration official in Colombia and one day very soon he would start to work closely with DAS to study the activity of many foreigners visiting Colombia today, and case by case, the Department would start deporting the large number illegal foreigners breaking the law in Colombia.
In Colombia today there are hundreds of foreigners who are currently breaking the law, but not just immigration laws!

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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LA_MONA says on Jul 31, 2007, 04:36:

Monpi that would be great! He would certainly have a big job to do....

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Monpirri says on Jul 31, 2007, 05:21:

Yep, Mona there are too many cases already and time will tell.

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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EMAN says on Jul 31, 2007, 07:05:

As Juan and his family wait to gind out their future, the USA welcomes 6 new Cuban arrivals. The GO FAST BOAT made it to land before the Coast Guard could intercept them. They ar now welcomed citizens and can not be deported as part of the "WET FOOT DRY FOOT POLICY" This Policy was designed as Cubans are facing Politicial Persecution but these NEW ARRIVALS only mention working hard and to make money, nothing about the Political Persecutuion they have endured in Cuba.

Article and video below:

Cuban Migrants Arrive At Bill Baggs State Park
Another 2 Migrants Found Hours Later Near Toll Plaza

POSTED: 7:51 am EDT July 31, 2007


KEY BISCAYNE, Fla. -- Four Cuban migrants arrived at Bill Baggs Cape Florida State Park about 2:30 a.m. Tuesday, and another two were found sometime before 7 a.m. at a tollbooth about a mile away.

The U.S. Coast Guard spotted a 30-foot go-fast boat in the water, but the migrants made it ashore before the Coast Guard could intercept them.

The four men were treated for dehydration at the park but were expected to be OK.

"It was a hard, rough trip," said migrant Alesandro Gonzalez in Spanish. "We were really scared. There were sharks in the water. It was emotional. We cried. We prayed to God to make it so I could be with my family in Louisiana. My mom's sick and I'm going to work to help them out."

Another man said he has a girlfriend he hopes to propose to in the Carolinas, and another man said he has family in Miami.

A few hours later, a male and female migrant appeared on Key Biscayne. It was unclear if they came to shore on the same boat.

VIDEO BELOW:

http://www.local10.com/news/13786849/detail.html

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panthdave says on Jul 31, 2007, 13:51:

EMAN yep that is correct...

panthdave Miami

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Cerealkiller says on Jul 31, 2007, 15:23:

I just read an article on this family on El Tiempo. I must say everyone seems to portray them as victims of an unfair system, but the truth is every country has the right to decide who comes in. If they did not like it then tough, a denied petition means they're not welcome to stay in a foreign country. Its almost like going on holidays to a friend's house, deciding that because its nicer than yours you're just gonna crash indefinitely and then when you finally get kicked out you say "well Im a victim, I bought milk and bread every week"... I am sorry to hear the kid is facing deportation. If it was up for me to make a decision I would allow him to stay and kick parents out, the guy is old enough to get a job and study...it was not his fault that his parents decided to put him through all that crap, so deport the parents and allow the kid to stay. My two cents.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 31, 2007, 21:40:

i agree with fellow anti-potatohead CK....jajja...and that fricking Cuban law has to be stopped.....what a joke.....and Colombia should enforce their immigration laws.....but i am sure that is not on the top of their priority list at the moment....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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EMAN says on Aug 1, 2007, 18:13:

Juan and his family were released from the detention center and were granted a 45-day reprieve. Story below!!!

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_213091015.html

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panthdave says on Aug 1, 2007, 18:59:

Good so they can prepare there appeal status...with the lawyers which I am assuming..

Watch ICE be there on the 46th day...

panthdave Miami

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Monpirri says on Aug 1, 2007, 19:45:

While Juan Gomez and his family await for the Immigration Subcommittee to pass an immigrations bill, Ana Elizabeth Cajamarca and her 11 years old daughter Angélica Loja Cajarma both from Ecuador were returned back to Belgium after almost being deported.

http://mouvements.be/lieux/belgique.html?debut_articles=250

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 1, 2007, 21:54:

that should give them just about enough time to pack some things in preparation for deportation....=)..45 days after 5 years to prepare...? hope they make good use of it...=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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EMAN says on Aug 2, 2007, 16:36:

One day after winning a 45-day temporary deportation reprieve for the Gomez family, the Save The Juan Campaign on Thursday did not succeed in getting a special bill before the House Subcommittee on Immigration. Congress is out for Summer recess until September 4 and the Gomez's 45 Day reprieve ends September 14, so this will come down to the wire. Full report and video here:

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_214140947.html

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 2, 2007, 16:52:

tick.....tick....tick.....cyaaaaaaaa

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Monpirri says on Aug 2, 2007, 18:20:

Not too worry. If Juan Gomez and his family are to be in the states they would have a special provision, or they would go to Colombia and return back to the states when congress is in full section again.
The same thing that happened in Belgium to Elizabeth Cajamarca and her 11 years old daughter Angélica Loja Cajarma both from Ecuador could happen to Juan Gomez and his family.

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 2, 2007, 18:41:

sorry, M, doesnt look like the Act has a retroactive clause in it....

damn, i am actually agreeing with UTC on that......i need to add that to my list....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Monpirri says on Aug 2, 2007, 18:56:

You both are commenting on your own experiences, and I have posted my comments based on my own perspective, I see it from a diferent angle.

Good luck to both you on your endeavors.

The life spam of a taste bud is ten days

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