French Airbus Gets $2.9 Billion Avianca Contract for New Planes

Ctg Bound says on Jun 1, 2007, 08:28:

miamimike Airbus isn't French.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 1, 2007, 08:55:

Airbus is an European consortium.


BTW I wonder if Avianca will do again direct flights from the UK to Bogota. we are desperate for one :(

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miamimike says on Jun 1, 2007, 09:45:

That May be But its President is French and its Headquarters is in France(main Office, Headquarters)seems pretty "French" to me LOL ,,'see link

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/people/

President and CEO
Louis Gallois
Number of employees
57,000

















Airbus, now a single integrated company, began as a French-German consortium in 1970 that was soon joined by Spain and later Britain




Airbus is a fully integrated single company headquartered in Toulouse, France, with subsidiaries in North America, China and Japan

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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panthdave says on Jun 1, 2007, 09:54:

Lets See if they Can Get Customer Training Program Going panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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Ctg Bound says on Jun 1, 2007, 09:56:

miamimike Presently its mostly a Franco/German company, with a small percentage holding by Spain, although the free floating shares are held by many Countries, including quite a large stake by Russia.

The British part owned by BAe sold out last year.

Its manufacting facilities are mostly in Germany, France and England, with some in Spain and soon to be China.

The biggest single cost of any aircraft is the engines which on most aircraft you have an option of 2 or 3 suppliers, presently I think only one aircraft of the Airbus range is restricted to a German/French built engine.

The remaining engines are normally built by RR of the UK, or GE of the US.

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poco says on Jun 1, 2007, 10:08:

About time !!!! The long-haul A350 is being designed to compete with the 787 Dreamliner manufactured by US rival Boeing. But while the 787 is expected to enter service in 2008, the fuel-efficient A350 will not be ready until 2013.

I'd suggest you do a better job quoting your links.

Bloomberg

Airbus has sealed only 13 firm purchase contracts compared with 567 for Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, which will be available in 2008, five years ahead of the Airbus model.

Boeing has been beating the pants off Airbus.

AIRBUS is part of another one of those multinationals. For those with nothing better to do, I'd suggest a protest because the parent company makes,, OH MY GOD,, military "stuff".

Those folks need to start beating their weapons into plows and get with the PBH idea of nirvana. Lots of folks know how to “beat�, I only hope there is a supply of things to beat.

Hummm, latest talk is that China will be selling passenger jets in 10 years or less. Couldn't be better timing.

Fly Boeing

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cayita says on Jun 1, 2007, 10:35:

Americans are you watching you give billions of dollars in tax money to Colombia and Avianca chooses Airbus over Boeing? Yes Colombia is a real ally... Boeing makes a better aircraft and actually fills orders unlike airbus. ;)

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jun 1, 2007, 10:45:

Avianca is now owned by a Brazilian investor. Maybe someday Embraer will build bigger jets and he can buy local.

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juancegomez says on Jun 1, 2007, 10:59:

Tinto Probably, but that's likely still rather far into the future, though I don't know if it's a matter of both technology *and* funds in their case.

Btw, strictly speaking, the guy's an investor born in Bolivia who currently holds both Colombian (since 2005 in what was probably a PR move I suppose) and Brazilian citizenship...

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cayita says on Jun 1, 2007, 11:00:

Brazil huh? OK then...;) What no A-380's in the order? hmmm

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cayita says on Jun 1, 2007, 11:07:

Wait Tinto actually Avianca is along with a Brazilian airline owned by Synergy Group which is based in London.

They also ordered 10 new 787's from Boeing for 1.5 Billion.

http://www.avianca.co.uk/avianca/index.cfm?CFID=9236440&CFTOKEN=86678330

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juancegomez says on Jun 1, 2007, 12:12:

Good both for PR and for the wallet then Can't really arguemuch further than that.

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miamimike says on Jun 1, 2007, 16:01:

Cayita my thoughts exactly "you give billions of dollars in tax money to Colombia and Avianca chooses Airbus over Boeing? Yes Colombia is a real ally... Boeing makes a better aircraft and actually fills orders unlike airbus. ;)"

Nice Quote~! And very accurately stated,,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jun 1, 2007, 16:18:

I asked a question is Avianca going to fly from London to Bogota in the future or not? :S i really don't care who owns airbus :))) as long as they have a direct to colombia

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poco says on Jun 1, 2007, 17:18:

What does this mean ?? The worlds largest airline buys Boeing ????

Air France-KLM, the world's largest airline by revenue, said Thursday it plans to upgrade its fleet and order 18 new planes from Boeing Co., worth about $4.4 billion at list prices.

Maybe the new French President, you know, the guy that likes the United States, remember, the guy that beat that Socialist Party woman, drats,, what's her name?

Anyway, maybe this was a friendly gesture, what a guy.



PS: If the TOTAL 2006 Plan Colombia buget was spent on new Boeing 777-300ERs they would receive TWO jetliners and have some money left over for spare parts.

According to one poster, the multinationals get it all anyway. Humm, I wonder if they could be converted to crop dusters?

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billyb says on Jun 1, 2007, 18:40:

Kat , they are going to increase their route network... and I'm sure London would be a natural for them.

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billyb says on Jun 1, 2007, 18:41:

Poco, your post makes me feel all warm and fuzzy... about the French ;)

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medefockinllin says on Jun 1, 2007, 19:12:

Avianca will fly to London and Frankfurt in 2008 Firm plans have been announced. Details over leasing of existing craft and acquisition of new craft have to be determined before finalising the date.

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aztec says on Jun 2, 2007, 04:57:

Ordering Airbus make little economic sense! Seems to be more political than economical.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,485374,00.html

New A350 Rejected By Airlines

Yet more bad news for Airbus: now the company's biggest customers are reportedly calling for it to rethink its design for the A350. If the company is forced back to the drawing board again it would mean further delays and even higher costs.

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cali373 says on Jun 3, 2007, 10:57:

"Cayita my thoughts exactly"

I don'tsee why this is a big deal for either of you unless you are a boeing stockholder or employee. Also in the real world it always prudent to diversify. If Colombia or Colombian companies only do business with the U.S. government or US companies then that would put Colombia's sovereignty MORE into the hands of the US. Uribe is not doing Colombia any justice by only concentrating in a trade agreementwith the US instead of putting that much effort into trade agreements with Latin america, the EU, and Asian countries. If you think this is silly then how do you figure that the US has trade agreements multiple nations not just one or two, because it s thebest for the economy.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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cali373 says on Jun 3, 2007, 11:02:

Poco, the US multinationals, defense contractors, and Monsanto gets most of plan colombia money. This is not a rant, that is the truth, which is not a bad compromise for free money. It's all a waste of money anyway, it will not decrease drug use or imports.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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Ctg Bound says on Jun 3, 2007, 11:43:

cali373 I agree with you that most of the Plan Colombia money goes to companies/contractors connected to the military weapons or ex military personnel and never actually leaves the US, although Colombia benefits from the equipment.

BUT can you please explain how Monsanto benefits though??????????

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medefockinllin says on Jun 3, 2007, 17:24:

Crop spraying my friend This evil company makes money from pesticides, GM crops, and inventing deforming additives for human consumption. Also very connected to the Bush clan.

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Ctg Bound says on Jun 4, 2007, 05:20:

medefockinllin Ok, I forgot about that.

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slguy says on Jun 4, 2007, 10:58:

Hmmm.. Does Colombia produce, internally, any of the stuff you guys complain about multinationals supplying? Is it possible to buy this equipment and/or chemistry from a Colombian company? Is easy to complain about multinationals, until you try to find other sources...just a thought.
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Now I don't have to tell you good folks what's been happening in our beloved little town. Sheriff murdered, crops burned, stores looted, people stampeded, and cattle raped. The time has come to act, and act fast. I'm leaving.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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miamimike says on Jun 4, 2007, 11:10:

Spot On Cali 373,,,, Poco, the US multinationals, defense contractors, and Monsanto gets most of plan colombia money. This is not a rant, that is the truth, which is not a bad compromise for free money. It's all a waste of money anyway, ""it will not decrease drug use or imports"".
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Cocaine supply way way up on the streets of Miami, as well as Purity,,,Thanks Plan Colombia

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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juancegomez says on Jun 4, 2007, 12:38:

Tinto "If there is so much opposition to the spraying program and it hasn't met the stated objectives, the Colombian government should just say NO! Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador and Venezuela have all reduced, threatened to reduce, or put limits, e.g. no spraying, on their anti-narcotics cooperation with the U.S."

It sure as heck should.

Unfortunately, the risk seems to be that it would make us "persona non grata" in the eyes of the U.S. government, Congress and part of its population, because we're the largest supplier of the relevant poisons and thus apparently held to a "higher standard" as far as "doing something (that the U.S. wants us to do)" is concerned.

In other words, a bunch of Colombian politicians aren't willing to risk the proportionally higher reprisals that would come with such a move, as long as the U.S. position isn't ready for it. Others, of course, are genuinely convinced that "fumigations are the right thing" and so on. A few would, however, effectively try to change things in the way you have described.

In any event, the larger problem is still Prohibition, IMHO, and nobody has really had the balls to stand up against that, whether in Colombia or in the rest of the region.

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juancegomez says on Jun 4, 2007, 13:35:

Tinto I'd hope you're right...if that is the case, we'd just new a change of leadership "y listo"!

The current administration is far too socially, ideologically and politically conservative to try to do so, however, so I'm not expecting anything on that front, to be blunt.

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poco says on Jun 10, 2007, 21:39:

Need a protest with naked women Poco, the US multinationals, defense contractors, and Monsanto

Looked at the internet and sure enough MONSANTO sold approx. 25 Million dollars worth of the horrible stuff called ROUNDUP (you know, that stuff you put on you lawn weeds) to Colombia.

Can’t believe the correct number from a bunch of ranters say but what the heck that is good enough. 25 Million Dollars !!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY GOSH.
Monsantos Total Sales: 69,353,000,000 (That’s 69 Billion)

WoW;

.00036047467304947154412930947471631 Percent of Total sales for Plan Colombia.

Ridiculous, yes it is. I’d say this is a sale the size of a pimple on someones ass,, but it’s NOT THAT BIG.

Monsanto is an Agricultural Company and employs approximately 17,000 people around the world.

Pay attention !!!!

This would be Monsanto employees and does NOT include the Thousands of contractors working in all phases of their business including marketing, engineering, operations, financial, attorneys, planners, plant and manufacturing, operations, truck drivers etc.

You know,,, people who don’t smoke dope, eat beans and fart. I’d suggest that one major problem with the unmarketable ability to eat beans and fart is that farting with your ass aimed down wind and inhaling the vapors seems to have an adverse effect on ones thinking.

Regardless of what a small number of clueless individuals say, Monsanto is doing just fine,, actually better than fine. 450 % increase since October 2000.



Don’t like it,, tough. China, Europe, Russia, you name the country and it will be made if Monsanto doesn’t. Who cares if a few hundred folks at Monsanto get laid off anyway?

I’d bet they get early retirement and go to work somewhere else making the same chemicals for more money.

What happens to the guys cleaning the toilets and sweeping the floors? Who knows but I’d bet their new employment won’t be better, that is IF they are employed.

Rule No. 1. When the clueless dork with a system they DO NOT understand the result will be that the poor suffer the most.

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adrimm says on Jun 10, 2007, 22:38:

New planes woo hoo!!
I New planes woo hoo!!

I agree with Cali373.

Besides competition is good for any industry.. I'd rather have two large manufacturers/suppliers of a product than one.

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poco says on Jun 10, 2007, 22:45:

You are not alone Besides competition is good for any industry.. I'd rather have two large manufacturers/suppliers of a product than one.

I've looked at some sales numbers. China has bought an almost equal number of planes from both companies.

I'd suspect Qatar has the same thinking, not good for anyone to have one company with a monopoly and someone has to even up the playing field.

I like the Chinese,, hard working and smart. Not so sure about Qatar, I think they just have money.

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cayita says on Jun 13, 2007, 05:24:

all I can say is since Plan Colombia and the training, equiping and the support of Colombian soldiers things are safer in Colombia for us. There is always someone around it seems to throw water on anything good the US does. It is US money so I fail to see the problem with using US companies to produce the goods for Colombia. I guess if Colombia could produce them themselves then they wouldn't need help from the US now would they? The spraying is probably a bad idea but that is not all of Plan Colombia. To me it takes a real genius to look a gift horse in the mouth.

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aztec says on Jun 13, 2007, 11:32:

Airbus Faces Wide Gap in A350 Orders http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118169743230833375.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us_business

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