Finally saw my first real crime in Medellin this weekend

scottiec says on Jan 16, 2006, 10:42:

probably not smart.......... Well it probably was not smart,but like you said you were a ways away and we (from larger first world countries ) think (albeit)differently. Thank you for trying to help , when typically in these other countries,people think of oneself first. (more of a self-preservation instinct) I have been here in Mexico for three years,have been all over the country alone,both on motorcycle and in my truck and have had few situations. Just another question what do you do for a living there,or do you work,how long have you been there? Thanks again .

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scottiec says on Jan 16, 2006, 10:45:

movies... The positioning/holding of the gun sounds like a flava thing like you would see in the movies....I kinda would like to know in what movie was first time someone held a pistol sideways.....Now its CHIC....

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 16, 2006, 10:48:

didn't they see your face? I would be scare jogging again near that spot in case those two saw my face and want revenge, specially if they were in a moto. :(

I can be such a coward:((((

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caslug says on Jan 16, 2006, 11:21:

glad you're OK spig!.. Was this around obelisko? Can't believe the theives are out that early! LOL!

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Crazy Eagle says on Jan 16, 2006, 15:49:

actually ... Spig wrote: "But what I thought was interesting is the guy with the gun obviously had no clue how to handle it. If I were a robber, I´d jam the gun in your back or at the back of your head."

Actually thats totally NOT how to use a pistol. The police and some soldiers know that someone with a gun can be disarmed quite easily before they can fire a single shot, if the pistolero is standing close to you. Its because when you grab thier arm they must a) decide to fire, and b) the signal must travel to the trigger finger. All this takes time, more time than it takes to grab the gun or swing a club. That is why you see cops with guns drawn standing several yards away from suspects - they know how easy it is to be disarmed. An ex British soldier taught me that, from experiments they did in the army using cap guns.

Now, I'm not advising people to fight muggers! But I'm just saying, if you feel you have to, then this is good information.

"Caught between the twisted stars the plotted lines the faulty map that brought Colombus to New York." Lou Reed

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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fugdis says on Jan 16, 2006, 16:01:

gun its no good sticking the gun in the victims back,he wont be able to see it!Its gotta be on show for the fear factor.

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Crazy Eagle says on Jan 17, 2006, 09:55:

look the other way?!? How about calling the cops?

"Caught between the twisted stars the plotted lines the faulty map that brought Colombus to New York." Lou Reed

"The natural rhythm of life is routine punctuated by orgy" Aldous Huxley

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Lucia Rojas says on Jan 17, 2006, 11:59:

I would think the same thing Kat thought. I would be scared...

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Lucia Rojas says on Jan 17, 2006, 12:02:

Yes GIB. Very Good advice. No dar Papaya. Sad but true.

Calling the police???? jejejejejejejejjejejejejejejejej

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elmodefoque says on Jan 17, 2006, 12:07:

Please stop talking about crime in Medellin, I’m getting spooked. I GOTTA go there and not because I want to. I was there last year and it was nice and all but 2 days of standing on a balcony of a fancy apt building in El Poblado looking out to the hills was enough for me. I wanted to go here, go there, but got the same response, no, is not safe. WTF!
I remember in Bogotá, trying to get money from an ATM, we first had to case the joint, drive around a few times, like a scene from some Hollywood cops and robbers movie. WTF is that about?

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Lostgringo says on Jan 17, 2006, 13:45:

A person I can Admire One of the things regarding safety in Colombia is the cowardly way people act towards crime. Maybe if more people stood up like this guy did, crime would decrease. Cudos for him for helping. Hell, If I thought every crime like this was a "HIT" I would not be able to sleep at night. Let's be real, if someone is getting hit, it is going to be quick. Not with a gun held at their head in broad daylight. In and out......bada bing badda bang..
Colombia will never be "civialized" unless more people like this show concern for their fellow man.
This leads to the next question, why would any Gringo want to live in this environment? It seems to me that if you are a Gringo your "time is gonna come", and when it does the good people you think so much of in Colombia are just going to stand around with their finger up their ass.
Everyone is scared shitless here. I guess that if you do not have the money to live in a civilized country this is the next best thing. I am not saying that everyone should just jump right into the fray but they can make some effort like this guy did. Oh ya ya ya..Papaya and all that shit...is just an excuse for cowardly behaviour....

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caslug says on Jan 17, 2006, 14:09:

i dont know about BOG.. but several times in MED when I saw robberies, people would start yelling and pointing out the thieves and some people actually chase and beat up the theives. I was told by people in cali and medillin, that paisa tend to be more good samaritan than people fr BOG or Cali. Dont know if it's true or not. But what spig did was not unique to MED(IMO).

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morphus says on Jan 17, 2006, 14:17:

I have'nt seen any crime in Medellin yet. I seen more action in Cartagena.

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fugdis says on Jan 17, 2006, 15:45:

crime I saw a youth snatch a necklace from a womans neck in a market in ibague,she screamed theif,some of the crowd chased him and caught him and proceeded to give him a good kicking.They left him in a heap,gave the woman her necklace back and while the robber was out cold someone nicked his trainers.I also saw a man shot to death in a somewhat dubiuos nightclub in cali,they just cleaned the mess up,threw the body in the back of a pickup and the evenings fun continued,i made my excuses and headed home.nobody called the police as far as i know.

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NewBoy says on Jan 17, 2006, 16:14:

In 6 years only twice have I seen any trouble on the streets in Colombia or anywhere else here for that matter, well maybe three if you count my minor problem, which wasn't on the street though.

The two times were on the streets in Ctg and bag snatchers were caught by the crowd, and they beat the crap out of them.

My time wasn't on the street somebody smashed my window to break into my apt on the fourth floor, I stuck him with my sword. That happened to come with the the furniture in the apt.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 17, 2006, 21:34:

"I stuck him with my sword". All right, Zorro!

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elmodefoque says on Jan 18, 2006, 05:27:

The more I read all this stuff happening in cachacolandia, the more I realize how everything I heard, when I was a kid, about cachacos is true. I’m not denying that costeños also kill each other, but 99.9% of the time is done during some drunken brawl, stupid shit like, maybe you looked at some modefoques toothless girlfriend or you parked your burro in some other modefoques spot or getting accused or banging another modefoques burra, but almost never killing someone to take their money.
How you guys live in those places is beyond me, I gotta admit you guys have a lot more balls than me and I got one nut that’s hanging almost 12 inches.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 18, 2006, 05:37:

Ladies, a little secret, you know how with age your breast begin to head south, well for us guys is the same, but we get bad case of sagging balls and in my case is specially bad cuz I got kicked there when I was 9 years old.
Getting back to Medellin, how do I convince my cachaca wife to let me stay in curramba my entire vacation?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 18, 2006, 05:45:

find her a hunky Paisa ;)

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elmodefoque says on Jan 18, 2006, 05:53:

Though my wife is cachaca she does admit that cachacos are not that good looking, she finds them mostly short and too pale, but she likes costeño guys. She loves the way we dance and our black ass.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 18, 2006, 05:56:

Then find her a hunky Costeño to entertaining her, I am sure she will let you go where ever you want. :)

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elmodefoque says on Jan 18, 2006, 06:16:

Is there a way I could legally be single for the entire month of February, I think eleven month of togetherness and faithfulness a year is more than enough.
Any costeño guys in Medellin?

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NewBoy says on Jan 18, 2006, 07:13:

UC Seeing as it was the coast and the English used to do a lot of raiding there, they were calling me the English Pirate.

Personnely it depends on the situation, I was in complete control in the apt, I was aiming to kill him, by skewing him in his torso, but the table was in the way, so my aim was not as good as it should have been, so he only got a minor wound, although to get away from me he did a back flip off the balcony and landed about 14 ft on the roof below the adjacent building.

On the street if they give you the chance I would just hand over the money, the only place I have people tried to mug me was in London, they were very incompetant and never gave me a chance, they just went straight for me, there was four of them 16-18 youths, so I just reacted, never even thought about it, I was lucky to get away with a few bruises, but I cut one of the guys shoulders open, so they soon ran then.

If they had done it more sensibley and just cornered me, they would have got what they wanted, but my reactions took over.

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NewBoy says on Jan 18, 2006, 07:22:

GIB I spent a lot of time wandering around Ctg and Medellin in the first couple of years, I don't wander around Medellin much now, because I find the walking boring really, but I walk around a lot in Ctg.

I live in a Strata 3 neighbourhood in Medellin, Strata 6 in Ctg (although I rarely go to Ctg any more, just once and a while for a change of scenary), both are safe neighbourhoods, if I wanted to find trouble, I could easily enough find it by going to the wrong neighbourhoods, but why should I do that.

I know where is safe and where you should be paying attention, I also where you shouldn't be, that is more important than anything else, that way you will avoid 99% of any problems.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 18, 2006, 11:42:

Chicken and Egg I actually agree with Franko44 that things aren't going to dramatically improve in Colombia until the regular Jose starts stepping in and concerning himself about other people's problems. The whole "look the other way" act IS pretty lame, IMO. On the other hand, I don't believe it's our job as foreigners to put on our Rambo suits and get all heroic when nobody else give a shit. Anyway, I'm glad Spig is a-okay.

Anybody else remember NYC when everybody was scared shitless and petty criminals roamed in packs like dogs? That would be the 80s, for those who've forgotten. If I recall, what changed the situation was some decent policing but ALSO a few citizens taking things into their own hands and refusing to be victimized any longer. Bernie Goetz was a bit of a loose cannon, but a lot of people saw him as a hero for shooting those kids who tried to rob him.

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caslug says on Jan 18, 2006, 11:57:

maybe MED is diffferent, the times i've seen the public get involve in crime was really petty stuff(pickpocketer or shopelifting) NOT arm(gun) hold ups. I agree, while it's admirable to get physically involve in stopping a crime, it's also VERY dangerous. Even here in the US, it's not recommended to try to stop a crime by yourself. We're told to call the police.

But kudos to the good samaritans when they do get involve.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 18, 2006, 12:17:

tinto, i was thinking the same thing about this marco dude, and don't forget the pipe. WTF is that all about, hollywood movie?

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elmodefoque says on Jan 18, 2006, 12:23:

I’m glad he was not there when I was driving around drunk in Quintana Roo; I’ll probably run him and his freaking mule off the road.

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NewBoy says on Jan 18, 2006, 12:29:

Tinto I think he showed himself a few years ago, I am pretty sure it is as you say he was a college professor.

It was about local Indian rights etc.

I bet Platano would know.

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morphus says on Jan 18, 2006, 12:29:

The guardian Angles were never armed. They would probably last about 10 minutes in Colombia.

I saw Curtis Sliwa a couple of months ago eating a pizza in the villiage. He still has the jacket and beret. He must be the last member.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 18, 2006, 12:32:

The good ol Dinken days, drinking beer and smoking grass while walking down Broadway. Jumping the turnstile in the subway and if stopped you give officer Sean O’Neill your cousins name and address. Now they take you in and fingerprint your ass. Collecting welfare, getting frees housing and getting 300 dollars of food stamps while at the same time making 4 thousand a week selling perico on the corner. Damn those were the days.

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AlejandroMoreno says on Jan 18, 2006, 12:34:

re: Please stop talking about crime in Medellín I don't mean to rip on you personally, I want to address the topic in general, that is, of why for some reason people talk about crime in Colombia, as if it didn't occur in their own city, state or country. I could talk about the person who was shot at the club on Las Palmas, or who was robbed by the hooker they were trying to get a date with, or who had their car stolen in a bad neighborhood. I could also talk about all the murders in the state of California, NY, Florida and Texas this past year and that alone would be FAR scarier than the statistics coming out of Colombia. For some reason, people think that the shit that happens in Colombia, DOESN'T happen anywhere else. Your shit stinks too. Colombia doesn't have kids going into schools and shooting up the place, Colombia doesn't have highway shootings like they do in L.A., Colombia doesn't have serial killers like the U.S. does, Colombia doesn't have entire skyscrapers blown to hell by foreign terrorists (twin towers), nor local terrorists for that matter. So for someone to say, "oh yeah, I had a friend who went to Colombia, and they got robbed man", is just about as fucking stupid as someone saying "there was this German tourist in Chicago once, and he was robbed". Of course there have been tourists that have been robbed, even murdered, in the USA. So WHY hearing about a robbery or a murder in a big city in Colombia would make you react differently than all the stinking foul garbage that you hear and see on the local and national news is just fucking beyond me. Pull your head out of....the sand and just think logically, and tell the next person who says something negative about Colombia, how many murders there were this past year in the good ole US of A and see what they say. Example: Chicago 2003 - 598 people murdered. Helloooooo?

Alejandro Moreno Saldarriaga

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caslug says on Jan 18, 2006, 14:12:

the reason we talk about crime in medellin is because.. this site is about COL and experience of posters IN COL. If this site is about Chicago, then by all means post your personal crime stories you exp in chicago and we can talk about places to go and what people in chicago are like... BUT since this is about COL..

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Crazy4Cali says on Jan 18, 2006, 15:09:

Cops... I still say it's like watching "Cops." Sure, all these anecdotes are probably true, to some degree at least, but they are just that: anecdotes.

Americans seem to be obsessed with this notion of "absolute safety and security." They want to know "is it safe" as though that was some sort of absolute like "Is it green?" (of course this obsession with safety ends when it cramps their lifestyle like banning cigarettes, reducing the speed limit, or banning alcohol).

Duh, shit happens.

If people want to read one anecdote about crime then run and hide under their bed, that's what they are going to do. If people are going to get their advice from uninformed, but well-meaning, friends or random people from the internet, that's their choice as well. Whaddayagonnado?

As a private pilot, I get riled when people start talking about how "dangerous" those "little planes" are. Oy vey! It's the same sort of thing. Only plane crashes make the papers so if you only get your information from the papers, all those little planes do is crash. So, I can imagine that as a local, it must get tiring to hear people obsess over the criminal aspect their area.

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morphus says on Jan 18, 2006, 15:23:

Dinkens days elmodefoque, don't forget the live peepshows. Guys used to be able to put their hands through the window and touch the girls for a few bucks. After Guliani was elected, the owners had to put glass in the window. A lot of guys were mad about that.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 19, 2006, 06:19:

WTF? If Medellin had 598 murders in one year, they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. That's the difference. I do agree with you that this kind of stuff happens everywhere.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 19, 2006, 06:34:

Hey morphus, don’t tell me you were one of those guys that put your hand through the opened window and came out smelling like the Fulton Fish Market.

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jccg says on Jan 19, 2006, 08:47:

I really think, "denaying" do not solve anything Some pro-colombia guys here say that USA is dangerous, and it is true, then GIB get mad becouse he is a patriot and do not like to heard somthing bad about USA. What you don't realize is that denaying that we have crime in Medellin is to do the same that GIB does "in my country nothing happends, we are so happy, we are so safe.." and it do not solve anything. This site is to inform the turist about what to expect if travel to Colombia, so it is good to tell the people what really happends. When you are a turist, you'll be more carefull than locals and it is true in Medellin, NY, Chicago and any major city in the world. If someone have a bad experience, it is not bad to share it with the forum.

This is just the true!!

This is just the true!!

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 19, 2006, 10:13:

Unas cositas GIB, re. Dinkens and the improvement in crime in NYC, if you haven't already, you should read up on the "Broken Window" theory of crime fighting. It came out of NYPD's chief Bratton, who was so successful that Giuliani pushed him out the door. I think he's chief in LA now. Basically, Bratton's thing is that there are 3 groups of people: Those who would never committ a crime, those who would if it's socially acceptable, those who will no matter what. Bratton went after the small-time crimes like graffitti and subway turnstile jumping that had been previously ignored. Not because those crimes are hugely important in themselves but because turning a blind eye to them sends a message that lawlessness and crime is accepted in the community. He looked like a dick, at first, for arresting j-walkers and such, but in the end the results seem to speak for themselves. So the answer is that both the cops and the people are responsible for their community. What I see in Colombia is a lot of people shrugging their shoulders and accepting it as inevitable which, given the economics, maybe it is.

Alejandro wrote "Colombia doesn't have highway shootings like they do in L.A., Colombia doesn't have serial killers like the U.S. does, Colombia doesn't have entire skyscrapers blown to hell by foreign terrorists (twin towers), nor local terrorists for that matter."

Colombia doesn't really have highways, so that's a false comparison. I'll venture that mile for mile the roads of Colombia are WAY more dangerous than even the wildest freeway in LA. No people shot on roads in Colombia? Surely you jest.

Entire skyscrapers blown up: Let's see, Escobar blew up the Hilton and the Tequendama hotels. The Farc blew up Club El Nogal. That's three highrises all on the SAME STREET in Bogota. Then you had the FARC shelling the presidential palace during Uribe's inaugeration.

School shootings: My guess is that there are plenty of school shootings though the really bad eggs are already out in the Paras or FARC by the time they're 15, shooting at people in other venues. Again, not a real point of pride for Colombia.

Anyway, this is a forum about Colombia. If you want to talk about all the fucked up things that happen in the USA I'm sure there's a great forum for that.

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morphus says on Jan 19, 2006, 11:14:

Peep Shows Oh yeah, I used to go once in a while during lunch break at work. The hardest part was walking in without looking like a perv. Some guys in business suits would walk in the middle of the sidewalk and cut over real quick. I would walk slow by the front entrance looking at my watch, then slip in the door. No problem with fish smell but I used to hate when i had my hand through the window and it would close down on my arm because i ran out of money...ha ha.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 19, 2006, 12:28:

Hey morphus, you is one freaking shameless PERV!!! I bet you went in those tiny room and left million of your offspring’s all over the wall and then walked outside in the middle of the day, pass the Indian or Pakistani porno store owner like nothing.

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NewBoy says on Jan 19, 2006, 15:41:

Two peas from the same pod, Elmo and morphus.

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Rubiazo says on Jan 20, 2006, 22:23:

NYC peep shows The last open-window peep actually closed 2 years ago. But it was way out in an industrial area bordering Queens and Brooklyn. You'd NEVER get there without knowing exactly where you were going. There also was a club on 8th av and 38th right across from where Patrick Dorismond was shot. It was at least as good as the peep shows but didnt really start till 11pm. You could walk past it 1000 times and not notice it, but it was open to the public. Some girl got her face shot off in there and it closed :(((

Elmo, just waltz in there, it's not like you're breaking the law or anything! WTF is there to be ashamed of? Well then again, not much point in going these days!

Ironically Rio now has a bunch of NYC-style peep shows, old style, with no glass! Maybe we need to get some in Bogota. I know there are a few girls out there who would like to buy a little better quality panela for the tetero for their kids!

As far as I'm concerned it DOES speak for itself here in NYC. I miss everything Elmo described, walk down the street with a lit joint right past cops who could give a fuck. I say it's time to break some more windows! Where the hell is my BB gun?? I would gladly being the 1980s back here in a heartbeat, and if I had to personally kill 10 PBH posters to do it, I'd do it with a smile :)

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Rubiazo says on Jan 20, 2006, 22:25:

Oh yes, and Franko please stop with the foul language on the forum. Don't you have any idea how disrespectful that is? I swear, every second word that comes out your foul mouth is a swear! If this keeps up, I will have to speak to the local Satan's Choice boys and revoke your membership!!

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vladimiro says on Jan 20, 2006, 23:06:

I saw my first assassination today. A car chase ended on the busy 4 lane street in front of my office today at lunch-time. A guy in one car got out and shot the guy in the other car about ten times, drove off and they can't find him. It looks to me like a drug related hit. This was in busy business district of major US city today, not a ghetto.

If you are concerned about safety you should consider moving to Japan or just about any other country, because like Colombia the US is an extremely violent country.

Look at how many *third world* countries have a lower murder per capita rate than the US.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_percap

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morphus says on Jan 21, 2006, 05:02:

If peep shows are making business in Rio then they would probably do good in Colombia too. They can charge 200 pesos a minute to keep the window open. The girls will be wearing bathing suits and if the guy wants to see more they have to tip the girl. Somebody has to be employed to mop the floor though...ha ha.

I did'nt know about the peep show in Queens. Theres still a couple in Atlantic city. The peeps that used to be on Time Square had some of the best looking girls i have ever seen. There were 20 year old girls from every country passing through New York. A lot were illegal or on a 6 month visa. Where else were they going to work? A lot were locals too. Ricans, Dominicanas, Colombianas, white girls, etc.

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Rubiazo says on Jan 21, 2006, 17:02:

They DO have peep shows in Colombia but it's all virtual webcam based stuff :P Teusaquillo is FULL of studios set up in those bigger 5-6 bedroom houses.

Personally I'm not that much concerned about safety. I really do want to see Japan someday but their groupthink thing scares the living fuck outta me! And Japan is not crime-free either. Ask any South American who has lived there!

And for the record, if I saw a robbery taking place, I would be inclined to help out. BUT that doesn't mean I'd rush in and just do it. Maybe somebody is pretending to be robbed just so they can rob YOUR ass, for instance. Like GIB said, muggers usually work in teams. Make sure you know where everybody is before acting, or just walk away!

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morphus says on Jan 21, 2006, 18:04:

Switzerland has a very low crime rate.

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nine inch nails says on Sep 28, 2007, 20:20:

I a Marksman and Sharpshooter and would pull my AR-15 and take em both out at 30M!

get down, get down. are you afraid of the boogie monster?

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john_stark says on Sep 29, 2007, 00:13:

And for that you resurrected this dumb ass thread?

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