Fiancee instead of tourist visa?

famsearch says on Aug 18, 2006, 01:08:

burro increíble if you're not sure if you want to marry her, why file the fiancee visa in the first place? why go through the time, paperwork, and expense, to bring someone here, only for a couple of months, only to go back? it's incredible dumbasses like yourself that are gumming up the works for everyone else who wants a legitimate fiancee visa! have her try to get the tourist visa, if she gets it, fine, if not, oh well. but don't get in the way of someone legitimately trying to get married.
dan

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tapeguy says on Aug 18, 2006, 06:42:

visa If she leaves the USA before her 90 K-1 visa (fiance-visa) expires, then you can re-apply and go through the whole process again. But keep in mind that you are only allowed to have 2 approved K-1 before you must get a waver from the Gov to do a 3rd. I agree with dan's post.

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rjstuff says on Aug 18, 2006, 09:38:

If you are serious but not sure you can still do the K1 and then even if you get married on the 90th day (and a few have gone past that and made it through OK also); you can adjust status (meaning get a green card.) If you decide that around that time - she would rather go home, then you both have still done the right thing. Most of us going the K1 route already knew we wanted to get married so it was the best way for us. Also remember the wedding can be done in one day - you just go to the local county court - get the license and get married right then and there (if they have an open spot for you!) Some counties have different requirements so do check them out before you do this. Good Luck

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Mamey says on Aug 18, 2006, 17:17:

Me importa miercoles! she just wants to visit Disneyland!

And I urge anyone who may think their tourist visa might be rejected to do the K-1 first. Why not, possible work around system, loophole... We just want to visit. Anyone with a pulse should qualify. So what if we bring the "fiancee visa" process to its knees.

What costs, $170 filing fee?... peanuts, most guys spend that in one night impressing their fiancee at the Bogota Beer Co.


Thanks for the valuable info RJ & Tape

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famsearch says on Aug 18, 2006, 17:47:

if she just wants to go to disneyland, fine, file for a tourist visa and take your chances like everyone else. why screw up and gum up the works, wasting valuable time and resources both in the states and the embassy, by filing the 129f under false pretenses, if i remember correctly, that is a felony in the states. title 18, united states code, section 100 states that whoever willfully and knowingly falsifies a material fact, makes a false statement or makes use of a false document will be fined up to $10000 or imprisioned for up to 5 years, or both. kind of a pricey risk for a trip to disneyland one would think...
dan

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rjstuff says on Aug 19, 2006, 09:14:

K1 visa doesn't require marriage thats the K3/CR1 visa. So my advice of using the K1 is very correct. I did mention that most of us that did the K1 were very sure about getting married but if for some reason I couldn't get along with her - or she hated my way of life - we could part as friends - she could go back to Colombia and we would have used the visa for the purpose it was meant to be.
In my opinion the foreign women are at a great disadvantage (perhaps men too) because many of them do not know the language, do not have friends in USA, do not know the customs/mannerisms etc. and may ot find jobs and friends easily. Infact many of them may want to go back home because thay may be shocked by not having a social system to fall back on like they have in their homr country. For the fiance/e this is a fall back - if they decide they can not handle the new country or the new fiance/e - they have a chance to go back without having screwed their lives wioth a marriage. But each of us make the decision based on our situations and choices. Good Luck in whatever you choose.

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Mamey says on Aug 19, 2006, 09:44:

I forgot, she wants to go to Popeyes also I think the clairvoyance/intent department which enforces these clauses is instead feverishly on the Bin Laden case.

HP'S

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Crazy4Cali says on Aug 19, 2006, 09:46:

Be ready to lie through your teeth (and not get caught) The Fiance visa, itself, isn't all that expensive. Alot of paperwork, but not really alot of money.

It is based on the fact the you and your "fiance" have every intention of getting married within 90 days of arriving in the U.S.

You have to sign a form when you apply that says you intend to marry your fiance. You then have to sign a similar form that says you STILL intend to get married when your fiance goes for the interview at the embassy. And then, at the interview, your fiance has to demonstrate to the skeptical consular officer that you have established an ongoing relationship and intend want the visa so you can get married.

Now, if you're willing to sign an afidavit that says you intend to do this when you don't, and get caught, I would imagine your 2nd attempt will have even higher hurdles to jump.

Remember the people who conduct these interviews have heard every excuse in the book. So, good luck.

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famsearch says on Aug 19, 2006, 14:07:

i agree with craz, the people who do the interviews are not stupid. the $170 is just for the 129 petition, and if you're here, you'll have to file it with the local processing office, which means a month before you get the receipt, then another 4-6 months to process it. don't forget all the paperwork that goes along with the 129, plus the costs of apostilles, and the notaries.

now, on to rj. rj, you are so full of it. the 129f is for people planning on getting married here. that means people who have had enough of a relationship, that they are ready to get married, and want to do it here, and the law states that they have 90 days after they set foot in the country to get married. that's to get married, not a 90 day trial run to see if everything works out, and if not, she gets sent back to the mix. sure you have the option to not get married, but that happens all over the world, people get cold feet, etc. all mamey is looking for, is some half-assed way to get around the possibility of her not getting a visitor's visa. like i said, the interviewers are not stupid, they have probably seen everything twice already, and if they smell just a whiff of a scam, then it will well and truly hit the fan, especially these days...
dan

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Mamey says on Aug 20, 2006, 06:40:

RJ... you're right on I would imagine some of the 90 day visa period would be for acclimation purposes. It may not be written but it's implied.

It could be a culture shock, after visiting Disneyland, Mickey D's, and the rest of americana the fiancee may want to get the hell out of dodge. In my case, it's just fine, since Im already OUT!

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rjstuff says on Aug 20, 2006, 09:06:

fam you said it correct and yet you are upset over what you yourselves said.
You said,"the 129f is for people planning on getting married here." And you also said that they can get cold feet and not get married eventually. I said the same thing but basically laid a scenario to help the original poster in his decision making - you are upset at my wording - fine, what are you doing to help the original poster?
I know of several Colombians who came here on visitor's visa by lying and have stayed here for years - they are fraudulent and deserve prosecution than couples who use the K1 and if they do not get married and go back - I think they would be better people than the thousands of illegals who do otherwise. Good Luck on what you choose

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famsearch says on Aug 20, 2006, 13:42:

rj, what i meant to get across, is that there is a difference between people who are legitimally planning on getting married, and for some reason or other, one or both get cold feet about it, and call it off. it happens here, in colombia, and all over the world, locally or crossing borders.

now, what the poster has in mind, rather than take a chance on getting or not getting a tourist visa, is to fraudulently apply for a fiancee visa, and if they manage to get it, she comes up, not to get married, but just for a visit, and within the 90 days, gives some excuse or other about it not working out, and back to colombia she goes.

i, and no other honest person on this site, should advise this poster on perpetrating fraud, because in the laws of the u.s., that becomes conspiricy to commit fraud, which is a felony. now if you want to aid and abet someone committing a fraud, be my guest, but count me out.
dan

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David in Idaho says on Aug 20, 2006, 14:19:

The safest, most honorable and honest route ... would be for Mamey to put on a Mickey Mouse costume and go spend some quality time at a McDonald's with his girl in Colombia. If he has lady luck on his side, things will go well and he will decide she is in fact the woman he wants to marry. Then he can proceed with the K-1 or any other legal route, with a clear conscious, an honest interview, a squishy McBelly and a dorky hat with Mouse ears.

BTW, what is the fascination with Disneyland? I guess I was spoiled as a kid, growing up close enough to visit all the time. It is no big deal. Certainly not worth screwing with the immigration process just to visit The Happiest Place on Earth. I'm sure Walt would be flattered, but the rest of us are rolling our eyes.

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Crazy4Cali says on Aug 20, 2006, 21:36:

The Happiest Place On Earth RE: "what is the fascination with Disneyland?"

I'm sure that's what the consular officers are wondering as well when they hear this during the interviews.

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David in Idaho says on Aug 20, 2006, 23:33:

Would it help our odds? ... If I got some mouse ears for my fiancée and me to wear to our visa interview?

We could even rehearse the song ...

M - I - C ... See ya real soon!
K - E - Y ... Why? Because I like you!
M - O - U - S - E ...

Certainly no fraudulent couple could possibly be that corny!

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Mamey says on Aug 20, 2006, 23:46:

Sometimes I wonder the same What is her attration?

I guess her atraction is to see a little bit of americana, the gringo way of things.

Disneyland epitomizes the U.S.. the white picket fence atmosphere... maybe she'll want to go on a rampage shooting afterwards... but wait! better not, there's laws to adhere to... with their $10,000 fines, felonies, consular interviews, and innocuous judgements... viva Jorge Bush!

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famsearch says on Aug 20, 2006, 23:54:

dave... the mouse ear thing will only work if you bring me back a bottle of aguardiente!
dan

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David in Idaho says on Aug 21, 2006, 12:04:

Screw Disneyland! If she wants to see America ... ... get an ice chest full of cold cheap beer. Pabst or Old Milwuakee, something of that ilk. Toss it in your 82 Ford F150 with the dents, the dusty dashboard, and the gunracks on the back window. Head on down to the lake and get drunk while trying to catch some bass. Then wow her with your big surprise ... Friday night at the stock car races. Sit her ass on some metal bleachers while you pound some more cheap beer, this time overpriced Coors Light. When the race is over, stick around for the monster truck competition, and then take her back to your trailer, where you've got more cheap beer in the fridge that sometimes works. Don't let your dog lick her too much. Put on some Bruce Springsteen, or maybe Lynard Skynard, and plug in the lava lamp. Make sure you spit out your Skoal before planting your first kiss on her unsuspecting lips.

If she survives the night, THEN she can go to Disneyland and live the American dream.

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