farc web page

Colombiareports.com says on May 26, 2008, 09:30:

I think they were just banned from .org because they're flagged as a terrorist organization. Anncol (FARC's "press agency" also lost their anncol.nu website and now got a anncol.eu domain. (forgive me for giggling). I think you'll have to look further down google to find something that belongs to the FARC, but mostly their communication is now done through http://www.anncol.eu and http://www.abpnoticias.com (a venezuelan based bolivarian "press agency")

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Colombiareports.com says on May 26, 2008, 09:56:

Found another one that may be related to the FARC: http://bolivarsomostodos.org/

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Simon says on May 26, 2008, 10:38:

You can bet Buggy knows about the FARC's web pages!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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robi666 says on May 26, 2008, 10:50:

"You can bet Buggy knows about the FARC's web pages!"
Nothing wrong...
I guess it is pretty normal to keep informed at 360° if you don't want to develop a lobotomy attitude.
I bet Carlos Castano himself used to read what the FARC had to say.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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fecherklyn says on May 26, 2008, 10:59:

Well said Robi....a blinkered view sees only what it wants to see.

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Simon says on May 26, 2008, 11:47:

What I was implying with that Robi was that Buggy knows all to well about the FARC's pages because he's one of them or sympathizes with them! Are you gonna tell me there's "nothing wrong" with that either?

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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robi666 says on May 26, 2008, 11:49:

I do not think that Buggy is a FARC sympathizer, nor one of them.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Simon says on May 26, 2008, 11:57:

Robi, if you don't think Buggy is a FARC sympathizer then you need to read his posts!

I'm sure most PBH'ers agree that this guy is a FARC sympathizer and therefore should be BANNED from this site!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Rikito says on May 26, 2008, 12:14:

simon is can't disagree with you more. Personally, i do not like buggy and think that he is way out there, but he posts relevant subjects related to Colombia and sometimes has something worthwhile to say. His big problem is that he can seldom defends what he says which pisses people off. It's one thing to say something that sounds intelligent, but when you offer no proof other than conjecture, your credibility really diminishes.

Besides, buggy is like have a pet spider. It really doesn't mean anything, but it's nice to have around for people to talk about.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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Simon says on May 26, 2008, 12:52:

"I am not FARC sympathizer; I try to understand their point of view,"

So do you also try to understand the Nazi's point of view? Or Al Qaeda's? Or even the Ku Klux Klan's?

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Mr. Hollywood says on May 26, 2008, 13:14:

Simon, without at least trying to understand others' points of view, you'll never be able to defeat them and, in fact, they'll run circles around you. You better believe Uribe has spent a lot of hours contemplating the FARC's POV.

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Medellin Traveler says on May 26, 2008, 13:31:

Simon,

The examples you provided above are not relevant in the case of the FARC.

What's more important, is trying to understand why some Colombians, feel they need to join and fight alongside the FARC.

Once Colombia can address that issue, maybe things will change and the FARC will come out of the jungles and participate in a peaceful Colombian society. I know, but one can only dream.

"Huevos Rancheros en Medellin, No Quiero Taco Bell." - www.medellintraveler.com

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Simon says on May 26, 2008, 14:28:

"The examples you provided above are not relevant in the case of the FARC."


Sure they are.... these are all evil organizations!
There is no legitimate point of view for belonging to a group that murders, destroys entire towns, committs genocide, kidnaps, trafficks drugs, etc.


"What's more important, is trying to understand why some Colombians, feel they need to join and fight alongside the FARC."

And there are no legitimate reasons for any decent Colombian to join the Farc, it's not like Colombia is a dictatorship like Batitsta's Cuba! Stop trying to make excuses for these terrorist scumbags!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Alma del Norte says on May 26, 2008, 14:47:

Thick as two short planks. What does Raaay say: "it's useless to argue with ignorance"? :(

La vida es una rutina

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Simon says on May 26, 2008, 15:19:

I see it's also useless to argue with terrorist supporters.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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gatogris says on May 26, 2008, 15:42:

Like Auden wrote at the onset of WWII:

"I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return."

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dwmte7 says on May 27, 2008, 06:34:

"...dulce et decorum est propatria morie."

dwmte

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Rikito says on May 27, 2008, 06:56:

simon, here is some advice that I was given a long time ago.

If you do not know and understand your enemies beliefs as well as your own, you know nothing. This is one of the best reasons for freedom of speech.

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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gatogris says on May 27, 2008, 08:10:

We should not be surprised that the voice of the FARC is being oppressed - large media conglomerates are the running dogs of a fascistic or capitalistic repressive state regimes, and both organizations are bent on promoting their corresponding interests over and above all others by crushing the voices raised against them. The FARC's website is an outgrowth of the struggle of the workers against the reactionary bourgeois ideologues and the cosmopolitan ‘capitalist-roaders’ arrayed against them, a true vox populi, and it is through the disciplined implementation of modernizing technologies, such as the internet, that the proletariat (led by a vanguard of the communist party - the FARC) will mobilize the necessary tools to protect and further their own interests. When not under direct threat of the government jackboot, the FARC uses their website to forcefully thwart the false consciousness promulgated by the decadent elites and the brownshirt rabble controlled by Uribe, educate each other about class-based issues, and to build solidarity around socialist realism, further connecting their faithfull viewers to Marxist-Leninist concepts of the dialectical worker-capitalist conflict underpinning modern society.

Workers of the world, unite!

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robi666 says on May 27, 2008, 08:17:

gatogris exaggerates, as always... :)

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Robert Jorge says on May 27, 2008, 08:29:

Simon says on May 26, 2008, 12:52: flag

"I am not FARC sympathizer; I try to understand their point of view,"

So do you also try to understand the Nazi's point of view? Or Al Qaeda's? Or even the Ku Klux Klan's?

-Yes, many people try to understand the Nazi point of view, the Klan's, etc. You can actually get degrees in the Universities pertaining to that. They are known as BS's and BA's in Sociology, Criminology, and Pyschology. I don't like murder, but that doesn't make me stupid for being fascinated by Criminology and thus, majoring in it at college.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Simon says on May 27, 2008, 09:26:

"If you do not know and understand your enemies beliefs as well as your own, you know nothing"

What is there to understand about murdering, pillaging, kidnapping, raping, and drug trafficking? It almost seems like some fools wish to justify these heinous acts by looking for reasons as to why some maniacs commit them.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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romy says on May 27, 2008, 09:29:

Simon only sees black and white, that has been previously established in this forum

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Simon says on May 27, 2008, 09:37:

Not black and white....RIGHT and WRONG! (BTW, murdering, pillaging, kidnapping, raping, and drug trafficking is WRONG in case you didn't know!)

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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romy says on May 27, 2008, 09:42:

I just don't believe anyone has given you the divine right to decide right and wrong (black and white is an analogy for the same btw)

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Simon says on May 27, 2008, 09:49:

I don't decide it, the law does! And all those things I mentioned are against the law the last time I checked!

BTW, The black and white analogy sounds a bit racist to me.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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romy says on May 27, 2008, 09:55:

if the law says that black people can't swim in a certain beach. Is it wrong if a black person swims in that beach? would you say there are bad laws? if so, with what criteria do you decide which laws are bad?

the chinese have used that analogy for thousands of years with no racism intended... black and white are the only 'true' opposites... even then they measure the contrast of tvs in the difference between black and white, so that gives you an idea that there is a spectrum in even something that appears so obvious.

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Simon says on May 27, 2008, 10:00:

Laws today aren't as archaic as before. But it is a combination of respect for the law and having good, decent values that allows one to properly discern between right and wrong (in my particular case instilled in me by my good, hard-working, decent, honest Catholic parents).

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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romy says on May 27, 2008, 10:12:

you are funny... but you know what, you are happy with your life (I sincerely hope) so I won't scrutinize your beliefs, you just don't have the right to push them onto others and say they are wrong without proper argument.

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Simon says on May 27, 2008, 10:23:

Now I'm pushing my beliefs unto others by stating that "murdering, pillaging, kidnapping, raping, extorting, and drug trafficking is WRONG"? So do you disagree with this "belief"? Does it offend you somehow? Do you condone murder or rape? Or perhaps only a little drug trafficking and extorsion every now and then?


And if being one of the good guys is funny to you, then laugh away, Joker!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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romy says on May 27, 2008, 10:30:

ok, you don't understand... don't worry about it... live free, live happy.

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Simon says on May 27, 2008, 10:43:

Sure, just dodge the question.

Typical leftist cowardice.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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Robert Jorge says on May 27, 2008, 12:57:

Come on Simon .... your being obtuse. No normal person thinks all those bad things you listed are anything but bad, evil, whatever. The point your not getting is that it is wise to learn history, learn about your enemies, explore what motivates them, etc. Study WHY something happened, not just blindly say it happened and not learn a thing because it is evil.
Anyway, I think you might just be baiting people right now into an argument.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Simon says on May 27, 2008, 13:00:

"No normal person thinks all those bad things you listed are anything but bad, evil, whatever. "

'Normal' is the keyword here. These people aren't 'normal', they have a warped sense of reality, one in which taking a human life is the same as killing a cockroach for you and I.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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slguy says on May 27, 2008, 14:17:

i guess another simpleton'll have to at least partially defend simon's POV.

yea, yea - i get that originally, those murderous bastards envisioned themselves trying to combat their perceived social/economic injustices. so what? terrorizing/murdering/extorting the very people they claim to be fighting for is the solution???

i'm with simon. i couldn't give a damn about their "motivations" now. i care that they

1. release those poor kidnap victims
2. lay down their arms or
3. die

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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