Experience with US Embassy in Bogota.

Crazy4Cali says on Mar 30, 2006, 15:59:

I'm not a lawyer... but:

WRT the Job Offer, I would think the company would have to step up and do some legwork in order to sponsor your brother-in-law. You don't say what, if any, work they have done, but I would guess, he would need more than just a letter from the company.

WRT the tourist visa. Your guarantees don't mean jack (which is why they probably didn't give them a glance). The consulor officer has to be convinced the applicant has sufficient reason to return to Colombia. The U.S. Embassy says on their web-site that they believe everyone applying for a Tourist visa intends to stay in the U.S. and it's up to the Colombian applicant to prove (against all odds) that they have every intention and reason to return. You don't say what your sister-in-law's situation is, but if they don't have real-estate, family, money-in-the-bank, job, etc. then they're almost assured of being denied. (and even if they have all that, it's far from a sure thing). If she doesn't have all that, a lawyer will probably just be a waste of money. The best they can do is help you prepare the paperwork. They can't guarantee success.

It sucks, but, you can thank all those who did overstay their tourist visa for the current policy. Blaming the embassy is missing the point.

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Wastelandlive says on Mar 30, 2006, 16:15:

Yep. A Consular Officer's job pretty much sucks. Two Colombian twinkies want to vacation at Disneyland? Like they don't hear THAT approximately 400-500 times a day.

I like the logic too: "Dammit, they won't let them in legally, hell, they should just go illegally."

I guess everybody in Andy world has an immutable right to come to America, and the whole visa process is just a formality, eh Andy?

Seriously - I can't say that I sympathize much with your point of view. But I can save you some cash. A Colombian lawyer can't do JACK. He can advise your family... but as Crazy4Cali points out, they should be well able to read the literature and advise themselves.

If you imagine some legal backdoor nonsense... some slick lawyer who can call the embassy and get your family the "attention" they deserve, then I assure you, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Consuls won't even take their calls; they simply don't have the time.

Wasteland

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untreated says on Mar 30, 2006, 16:29:

Going to Disney World It was a bad idea to say that. You should have done your homework and prepared a better presentation. What an attitude! How long have they been your inlaws anyway?

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Orchid Andy says on Mar 31, 2006, 06:33:

Well I guess it doesn't pay to be honest anymore! My brother-in-law is well qualified and is receiving immigration assistance from the company that wishes to employ him. He is currently working for them over the Internet from Colombia and billing hours, all quite legal, but he would be a more useful employee if he could be present on the job in Florida. My wife, who also has done everything by the letter of the law, is very frustrated that the family move is taking so long and especially as her only niece is growing older and has never been to Universal and Disney. She is doing all she can to get her sister and niece here for at least a short visit. Her parents come to and fro all the time and have never overstayed a second. They have a home, all their family in Colombia etc. Crazy4Cali is totally missing the point. The intensity of the immigration debate in the US is quite amazing at present. Just this morning in the Miami Herald, a very well designed survey reported that a vast majority accept that illegals currently do work that the legals would not wish to do. My brother-in-law's sponsoring company is currently paying a lawyer here to handle his work visa, forgive me for asking a simple question as to whether we could do the same for family in Bogota. And as for the stupid statement that no favors are granted......I know of several instances where friends of consular officers got visas overnight. Get real, it happens in all embassies of all countries around the world!

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 31, 2006, 06:42:

The embassy in Bogota is as corrupt as they come. Yes, a visa can be purchased. The problem is making contact with the right people who can be trusted to deliver. Does your family know anyone in the narco trade? Usually they have reliable contacts.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Wastelandlive says on Mar 31, 2006, 06:50:

The BS on this site cracks me up. "I know of several instances where friends of consular officers got visas overnight. Get real, it happens in all embassies of all countries around the world!"

You know "several," huh Orchid?

Wow... what a cosmopolitan guy you are!

I personally have never known a "friend of a consular officer" who got a visa overnight... and seeing as I actually do KNOW some US consular officers, I'm guessing my sample set is slightly larger than yours.

Of course, there was a guy out in Equador who got caught trading visas for sex... he's no longer with the State Department.

But why listen to me? I think you're right: you should hire the lawyer already working for your brother-in-law to put packages together for your entire family. Don't skimp... if you expect results, you've got to be willing to pay the big bucks! Or pay the bribe, like UC recommends. In fact, get the packet endorsed by a known narcotrafficer.

Let us know how it goes.

"Stupid is as stupid does."

- Forest Gump.

Wasteland

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Orchid Andy says on Mar 31, 2006, 07:18:

Far be it from me to argue with such a knowledgeable guy, I know of three instances in Colombia. And just for the record, I did work in the diplomatic service for nearly five years in a position a bit higher than a visa officer so I am not some babe in the woods. You have probably not employed an immigration lawyer but for honest, working middle class folk they are a wee bit pricey. If I want to go to China I front up with my passport and roundtrip ticket and I get my visa the next day. Why should a Colombian in Bogota be treated any differently from an American in New York?

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Crazy4Cali says on Mar 31, 2006, 08:48:

Missing the point? The law is not always in harmony with reality and this is especially true when it comes to immigration and immigration policy.

While I understand and sympathize with the frustration of dealing with the embassy in Bogota and U.S. Immigration in general, it surprises me that, if you have have the State dept. experience you say you have, you're surprised by your recent experiences. Heck, I'm a distant outsider and the experiences you describe sound more like the norm to me.

Now, if you're some well-connected, higher-up: a) you proabably wouldn't be posting here, because b) you would have known who to talk to and how much money to talk with. So, for whomever you know and whatever experience you say you have, the net result is you're down here with the rest of us poor slobs who have to do it the hard way. And for the everyday working stiff in Colombia, the odds are against gaining a visa and it might take several unsuccessful tries to get one...or not.

Also, and this should be ridiculously obvious if you have even walked past the State dept. let alone worked in/with them, you should know that our immigration and visa policy varies from country to country, president to president, and sometimes, day to day. Cubans are granted assylum just by setting foot in the U.S. (granted, that's not always easy), yet Mexicans are turned around by the bus (or van)-load. Remember, you're (presumably) an American citizen so the rules are different (vastly different) for you as compared to a Colombian.

While I personally don't think of Universal Studios or Disney World as culturally-rich attractions or particularly powerful reasons to visit the U.S. (Though I'll bet they are probably some of the most commonly used ones by visa-jumpers), if you think your family was denied becuase their package wasn't prepared well, then maybe a good immigration attorney could help put the package together better. Maybe, the quota for the month was all used up and they just need to try again earlier in the month or fiscal year. Who knows.

But just because your family members were treated like almost everyone one else in the same situation is no reason to jump down our throats!

Lighten up, for cryin' out loud.

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JMOON87 says on Mar 31, 2006, 09:05:

I was told... From what i have heard the C.O.'s already know if they are gonna give you the visa or not before you even go up to be interviewed this why they often dont even look at any papers . I was told this by a C.O.. when we were touring in bogota and one was in our tour group showing family around bogota.

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rjstuff says on Mar 31, 2006, 09:17:

I think the most common response in Bogota is No! Except when dealing with K1s and K3s and thank God for that! I also know of people getting visitor's visa when I would have thought they won't and then of course they overstay and abuse the visa! It seems to be on the moon cycle or something like that based on which visitor's visas are granted. Don't be frustrated - try again or use a lawyer and see if it works better or not. Good Luck

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Wastelandlive says on Mar 31, 2006, 10:29:

Hey Orchid Andy... OA: "And just for the record, I did work in the diplomatic service for nearly five years in a position a bit higher than a visa officer so I am not some babe in the woods."

Is that a fact? Which nation did you represent?

Maybe you were British... I can't say I know anything about how they run their embassies or handle immigration. Maybe they do hand out visas to friends...

They do call it "the Diplomatic Service." Americans, on the other hand, typically refer to it as the "Foreign Service," the "Diplomatic Corp," or simply the "State Department."

And they don't accelerate visas for Colombians who hire legal representation.

It's always amusing to me how the money talks, and the BS walks. Seriously... if you can't afford to pay a Colombian lawyer (??!!) then what was the point of asking for a reference?

And what's the point of arguing? If you believe your own nonsense, you should:

1) Use your brother-in-law's lawyer!

2) Swap emails with Utopia Cowboy and see if he can connect you with some narcos who have friends in the US Embassy's Consular Department.

3) Hold on... you were "diplomatic service for nearly five years in a position a bit higher than a visa officer," right? So what are you doing HERE looking for advice? Pick up the phone, call some old colleagues, and make it happen!

Let us know how it goes.

Geeze. GIB's a cruiser with 6 Atlantic crossings under his belt. You're an ex-Diplomat. And I'm Flash Gordon dressed up in women's underwear.

Wasteland

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Crazy4Cali says on Mar 31, 2006, 11:00:

Golly.. I took my boat across country, once, though it was riding on it's trailer.

I've crossed the Atlantic at least eight times, but I did it in an airliner. (does that still count? The ocean looked sooooo cold from up there.)

I feel so, so, ordinary.

Can I order some of that fancy underwear online? I need to feel special.

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Orchid Andy says on Mar 31, 2006, 11:53:

Wastelandlive, I don't believe I said that I was working for the U.S. Embassy and indeed I was not. However, I would have been fired if I had treated citizens of the countries I worked in as rudely as the Consular staff treat Colombians in Bogota. You have clearly never had to use immigration lawyers. Just to get my wife into the US and get her permanent residency cost more than $7,000 in lawyer's fees. Multiply that by at least three (it is slower and costs more now) and you might understand why I have difficulty assisting my extended family. Of course you may have a lazy $20,000 under your pillow but I don't. Thank you for your pleasant post, rjstuff. All I wanted was to find out whether others had been similarly treated by the US Embassy in Bogota and if they might have found a solution to the problem. The sarcasm was an unexpected and unwelcome bonus!

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Crazy4Cali says on Mar 31, 2006, 13:56:

If you can't take it... If you can't take it, then don't dish it.

Comments like, "these jerks," "I can see why people immigrate to the US illegally!," "the prick in the Embassy" from your original post don't really set the stage for helpful suggestions or a friendly discussion. Subsequent ad hominem remarks don't help either.

I really wish you luck in your pursuit, but if all you really "wanted was to find out whether others had been similarly treated by the US Embassy in Bogota and if they might have found a solution to the problem." you could have just asked.

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Crazy4Cali says on Mar 31, 2006, 13:57:

hiccup.

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rjstuff says on Mar 31, 2006, 16:15:

By the way they do hand out visas to friends! My brother was denied a student visa for USA (he was in India.) Yes this was many years ago! I was with him and we ran across our aunt who rented her house in an area called 'Golf Links' to the US embassy and the first secretary was living there. She called him up and he told her to send my brother to his office. We went to his office the next day (the embassy is in the front and the visa section is in the back.) My brother went in and I was waiting for him. In a few minutes (10 or 15); I see him coming through the front door again (to the waiting area.) He told me that he talked to the first secretary for a few minutes (first secretary is a political appointment and is quite high) and then a man escorted him through a tunnel (he called it a tunnel and maybe it was the basement that was connected - I am not sure.) They took his 16 rupees ($2) visa fee and stamped his passport. But he couldn't come back the same way! So he walked around to the front and then came in to get me! So! I have first hand knowledge of at least one visa being granted to friends and acquaintances -and that's life - If you know people high enough - many doors open to you and sometimes there are people running ahead to open these doors for you. I didn't have any such luck but some people have it happen all the time.

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Christian88 says on Mar 31, 2006, 18:51:

Come on, guys, leave poor Andy alone. If he wants to try to find the "magic key" to getting a tourist visa in Bogotá, why not let him? WE might know he's wasting time and money, but if he doesn't trust our answers, why fight it?

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utopiacowboy says on Mar 31, 2006, 20:06:

You are right, rjstuff. I had a similar experience about 30 years ago.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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r3d3 says on Apr 1, 2006, 00:27:

They discriminate I have concluded that if you look caucasian, they give you the visa.
A poor friend looks like Uribe, and received a visa. Another rich friend looks like El Puma, and did not acquire a visa.

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bufalo says on Apr 1, 2006, 04:34:

I knew guys who were trafficking in NYC, caught, jailed, deported, then showed up again in no-time with a brand new visa (one was found burned and in pieces outside Medellin, another I think is doing time in Miame, I don't know about the rest). I knew another guy who got in through Miami, he paid $5000 to get a false visa from someone in Bogota, then when in Miami, the acting immigration boss (I forget the title), who was in on it would take him out of the imigration line to "review" his case personally. The boss would take his visa away, to destroy the evidence, then say that the guy was cleared and could go. he was then escorted out of imigration and went on his way. This boss had tons of people pass through this way, mostly his family. From what I heard, he was busted.
Most people I know that do it legally get nowhere, not saying people should do it legally, just that the system sucks. Like Crazy4Cali said, just thank all the people who overstayed their visa in the first place.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

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miamimike says on Apr 2, 2006, 22:37:

Buffalo, that guy in Immigration was one of Several caught selling false stamps/visas. There have been maybe 3 groups in the Miami Area alone in the last 5 years that were caught.The last and most publicized was that Lady and her Husband from Kendall(sw miami) who worked at the Embassy in Mexico city-they sold Visas to the Farc and around 30-40 Farc members passed our borders thanks to her and her husband! She charged from $40,000 and up per visa. The one you speak of, He and his wife actually traveled to Colombia and collected the Loot. He lived at 135th st and Biscayne Blvd.in North Miami. He sold the Visas for $5000+ a pop. He was Colombian American, as was his wife. They are both in the "Crossbar Hotel" on a long vacation for their nefarious activities. Andy-as others have mentioned, for many inconsiderate Colombians who "Overstayed" their Visas in the Past, this is a big reason they are so strict on granting a Visas to your Wife's family members now. So do a little venting at the root cause of the problem. These high number of Overstays are also the reason Colombians have NOT been included in the Visa Lottery for many years. Visa Overstays are factored into what countries are included and what countries are not. Colombia is Not and this(overstays) is an overiding factor. Your wife's brother's US Company has to start the process for the H-1 foreign worker's visa from here in the USA; after it has been approved in the US, it is then sent To Col for him to pick up, from the Emabassy, if I am not mistaken. Good Luck!

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Orchid Andy says on Apr 3, 2006, 07:57:

Thanks miamimike! My brother-in-law has applied for the H11, supported by the architect company he is hoping to work for in Florida but already he has been twice to appointments at the Embassy in Bogota and all they do is tell him they will contact him within 30 days and never do. They are not rich, just a normal middle class family and have spent several thousand dollars already on this matter in addition to what it has cost the sponsoring company. Same for the tourist visas for the other family members. Every time thay have to pay, pay, pay and have nothing to show for it. It is a pity that honest, hard-working Colombians, who would make excellent immigrants, get lumped in with the riff-raff and cheaters.

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GregYohn says on Apr 8, 2006, 06:01:

Architect Firm in Miami Hello,

My GF is planning to come to the USA as a tourist and is an Architectural student. Right now, she is attending an international conference on Architecture in El Salvador and has attended one in Bogota earlier this year. She intends to vollunteer her time here for the local AIA Chapter. http://www.aiaphila.org/B/Collab/Fs_colla.htm Any chance to hear more about your brother-in-law's firm in Miami?

She has been outside of the country before she was trying to get to the USA. She once was in Spain for 3 months. Her family was with her applying for a tourist visa too. They are landowners and have also been tourists to Panama and Caracas.

Greg

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Colombo Canadiense says on Apr 12, 2006, 08:24:

DISNEY MISTAKE you are right, that's the first question the consular officer asks
not only where are you going buy why do you have to go there?

Also, anyone with close relatives has got more changes to get an immigrant visa ( Green Card ) than a Non Immigrant Visa ( Temporary Visit ). No consul can go against the USA law.

Please generalise

100% Colombiano 100% Canadian
Greetings from Windsor, Canada

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Mr. Hollywood says on Apr 12, 2006, 09:08:

A couple things I don't work for the US Embassy but do know a number of Consular officers socially. I've asked them numerous times about this issue. Ultimately, it comes down to whether they feel the applicant is telling the truth or not and will return to Colombia. Each person has their own subjective set of "indicators" but it's hardly a science or formula.

One mistake I see people making is assuming that because they have someone in the USA "vouching" for them that it helps. In reality it hurts. Why? Because there's really nothing you or I can do if our Colombian friend decides to go illegal and stay. And when they know that someone has a support structure of in-laws, family or whatever already in place, that means it's MORE not less attractive to overstay.

What's the fascination with Disneyland anyway. Parque Jaime Duque RULES and it's less than an hour from Bogota.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Apr 12, 2006, 09:19:

Parque Jaime Duque Good one!

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 12, 2006, 09:19:

My wife wants me to send her sister an "invitation" for her to take to the US embassy with her tourist visa application but I agree with you and I think it's a very bad idea.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Crazy4Cali says on Apr 12, 2006, 10:21:

Ditto If one of the determining factors used is to have a "center of gravity" in Colombia, showing any support, let alone a lot of support, in the U.S. would only make that effort more challenging.

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z_gringo says on Apr 12, 2006, 11:21:

Embassy in Bogota I had pretty good luck with the Embassy in Bogota. We wanted to bring my wife's grandmother to the US for a few months after we had a baby. They made an appointment for her and for her son (my wife's uncle). The Embassy immediately denied them both and didn't look at any of the paperwork I had sent. I called the embassy and asked that they speak to my wife's grandmother separately, and they did. They granted the visa and she came to visit for a few months. Now she is back in Colombia.

My wife's uncle, who is 20 years old, and has no ties to colombia (job, bank account, etc) was not granted a visa. He had no evidence to present that he would return. That is the way it usually works.

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jack smith 2 says on Apr 12, 2006, 13:32:

As an American I find it kind of insulting that your relative wants to go to Florida to work for the company there and I AS AN AMERICAN CANNOOT EVEN WORK THE WINDOW WHERE ALL THE COLOMBIAN NATIONALS ARE WORKING! The State Department would rather hire Colombians to do the dirty work for cheaper unless they, State, employ their NEPOTISM clause and give the job to a relative which they can do and do do!

The State Department website even talks of a case where aa MEXICAN NATIONAL employee was convicted of obtaining visas illegally for some Colombians in Mexico City!

Nevertheeless, why should some Colombian get a tourist visa when we know that %40 of the illegals here in the US crossed no border but obtained some sort of vissa and never went home. I know cases of Colombians who did recieve TOURIST visas yet they spent the whole time limit in the US before they went back. When the consular people see a "RICH" Colombian spent six months in the US they can only figure one thing. They worked in the US on a tourist visa which is ILLEGAL. Tourist means tourist! Not worker!

If they stopped givng out visas all together for a couple years I would not complain because we have no workable immigration policy in this country. Too many illegals all the way around!

Enough is enough!

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jack smith 2 says on Apr 12, 2006, 14:35:

Orchid Andy, you said you spent $7,000 on lawyers fees to get your wife to the US? I feel sorry for you because you could have done it yourself for a lot less. I did it myself.

It is a shame that your brother in law can't get here when there are so many illegals here walking around with no cares in the world. The liberal press talks about how they "live in the shadows" Hahahaha! Where is the INS or ICE when they wave those Mexican flags in the streets?

FYI We are supposed to have a selective immigration policy. That means the Congress decides who gets in and who does not. This is why so many get a NO in Bogota. The problem is that Bush Sr., Clinton, and W will not ENFORCE the 1986 Immigration Act which gave amnesty to millions. If the law was enforced maybe your brother in law would already be here?

Illegals are destroying our public schools and hospitals are closing in California because a STUPID supreme court says we have to treat the ILLEGALS! We have citizens here with no medical inssurance and they barely get by yet go to some public clinic and their is Juan and Maria and their 10 kids getting service before the CITIZEN! UNFAIR!! Thank the Democratic Party and some REPUBLICANS like BUSH! It is a system out of control! Before you had illegals in CA and LA New York and Miami and maybe Chicago. Now they are in every state save for just a few. Boise, Omaha, Minneapolis and Seattle. Why? Cheap labor! But then they pollute our public schools and destroy our hospitals and yes %30 of the people in our jails are illegals. The ccorrupted politicans in Mexico just want to dump them on the US! The third richest man in the world is Carlos Slim of Mexico worth $30 BILLION! We export jobs to China by shutting our factories and import uneducated ILLEGALS mostly from Mexico and Central America!

In time it will destroy this country! Poco a poco!


I support a BRACERO program! That means SOME Mexicans are allowed in to work in farm industries but NOWHERE else. When the harvest is over HOME THEY GO! Now, they don't go and Maria comes in illegally and they have 3 to 8 kids who should not be citizens!

My wife, who has her green card can already try to get her faamily here and why? I don't want my wife's family here!

Why does a nation of $300 million need any Colombian architects anyway?

It is a situation that is out of control and our politicians don't care. Mexico, Colombia et al need to take care of their own people period!

Finally, how many AMERICANS in this forum want to move to Colombia but other than teaching English or starting a mail order bride agency can't find anything? But we in the US should accept any illegal and educate them while our poor citizens see their wages go to hell because some illiterate Mexican or Honduran will do the work for nothing?

Always comes down to money does it not?

Yes, my wife was lucky to get a fiance VISA for I am an American but this stupidity has got to stop! No more immigration period and if some architectural firm in Florida can't find a qualified American then that is their problem!

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calipro says on Apr 16, 2006, 14:26:

Incali What you are proposing is highly illegal. I don't know what the fines and sentence would be if caught but it could be stiff.

Not to mention the fact that the person that sponsored her would be financially liable for her for ten years assuming she made it here.

Airfare and hotel to meet the women in question and filing fees could easily eat up $5,000 or was that 5 grand plus expenses.

Anyway let me know if you have any takers. I know some colombian women that would pay a hell of a lot more than $5000 to have someone apply for a fiancee visa on their behalf.

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 17, 2006, 05:51:

Is she hot? Are there any "perks" with the five grand?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Crazy4Cali says on Apr 17, 2006, 08:51:

Cowboy... Make sure you get those "perks" in writing...

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goosekirk says on Apr 18, 2006, 16:33:

Sweet! I'm with UC... although I can score my own perks, I just wanna know, how high would these girls bid? Then I can tell my girlfriend I'll cut her a special deal. Half-off, your very own gringo fiancee, today only!

I have a feeling I will be accepting payment in dirty looks. Not as good as cash, but I take what I can get.

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lawyerincolombia says on Jul 14, 2006, 09:25:

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I am located in Cali Colombia.

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crazi4cali says on Jul 25, 2006, 07:13:

Going Rate? I thought the going rate was $10k... you trying to give papaya InCali? You have any pics to post of your friend? Not for me obviously, but... maybe my friend can help your friend! LOL

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