Europa exige liberar a secuestrados

billyb says on Apr 24, 2008, 19:31:

"La petición, que se inscribe en la resolución sobre la próxima cumbre Unión Europea-América Latina y Caribe de Lima, fue aprobada por 542 votos a favor, 12 en contra y 12 abstenciones."

Can anybody explain to me what these 24 euromorons were thinking when they refused to vote for the release of the hostages? Any euros on here that can explain their logic?

jorgegdiaz says on Apr 24, 2008, 19:35:

wanna venture to guess who they are, or where they are from?

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

billyb says on Apr 24, 2008, 19:46:

I refuse to believe they are from la france, jajaj!!!!!! I would venture to guess that more than a couple of the clueless pr! at ks are from that bastion of civil liverties known as scandinavia.

buggy says on Apr 24, 2008, 22:56:

When Uribe is in difficulty, the paraco of PBH is back.

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

romy says on Apr 24, 2008, 23:33:

"542 votos a favor, 12 en contra y 12 abstenciones"
I would guess it's people that consider the EU has no business messing around with foreign conflict. Perhaps they have local issues that they want addressed. Just like in any vote, sometimes people have indirect reasons to vote certain ways. Assuming they are supporting the FARC is ignorant.

more complete article
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT IM-PRESS 20080422IPR27271 0 DOC XML V0//EN&language=EN
MEPs demand the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages in Colombia ahead of key summit
External relations - 24-04-2008 - 12:34

In adopting a joint resolution on the Fifth EU-LAC Summit in Lima, the European Parliament reiterates its belief that action to combat terrorism must be carried out with full respect for human rights, civil liberties and the rule of law. The House demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages in Colombia, with priority being given to those who are sick.

Parliament considers that their release should be effected by unilateral decision of the FARC or any other organisation by which they are being held or, failing that, under an emergency humanitarian exchange agreement. The resolution was adopted with 542 votes in favour 12 against and 12 abstentions.

MEPs propose that in the economic and commercial field the creation of the Euro-Latin American global interregional partnership area should be based on a model which is compatible with both the WTO and regionalism, to be applied in two stages:

(a) a first stage involving the conclusion, at the earliest opportunity, of the negotiations on the EU-Mercosur, EU-Andean Community and EU-Central America Interregional Partnership Agreement and the deepening of the existing EU-Mexico and EU-Chile agreements;

(b) a second stage, to be completed in 2012, involving the conclusion of a global interregional partnership agreement ensuring legal and institutional support and full geographical coverage for the various strands of the strategic partnership and providing for the free movement of persons and biregional trade through a deepening of both the integration agreements within Latin America and the Union's partnership process with all countries and regional groupings.

Strengthening institutional promotion and forecast mechanisms

MEPs recommend:

(a) establishing a Euro-Latin American Foundation, of a public-private nature, for the promotion of dialogue between the partners on similar lines to those already existing for other geographical areas such as Asia or the Mediterranean; calls on the Commission to draw up a detailed proposal in this sense;

(b) establishing a Biregional Centre for Conflict Prevention, dedicated to the early detection of the causes of potential violent and armed conflicts and to seeking how best to prevent them and stop them from escalating;

(c) repeats its suggestion to create a Migration Observatory responsible for permanently and closely monitoring all issues in connection with migratory flows in Latin America.

Size of the Eurolat Assembly

MEP consider it essential to strengthen the parliamentary dimension of the strategic partnership and supports the Latin American request in which the number of Euro-Latin American Parliamentary Assembly members required in order to facilitate the inclusion of the recently constituted Mercosur Parliament is put at 150.

Finally, the House considers it essential to strengthen the parliamentary dimension of the strategic partnership and ensure suitable inclusion of the recently constituted Mercosur Parliament in the Euro-Latin American Assembly.

billyb says on Apr 25, 2008, 08:25:

"Assuming they are supporting the FARC is ignorant."

the only assumtions being made, are that they are retarded.

jorgegdiaz says on Apr 25, 2008, 08:34:

Semana gives it a little note:

http://www.semana.com/wf_InfoArticulo.aspx?idArt=111232
from what it says, the votes against a resolution were from members who wanted an adding motion to the resolution asking for a political solution to the conflict.

Fecha: 04/24/2008 -
El Parlamento Europeo pidió este jueves “la liberación incondicional e inmediata de todos los secuestrados en Colombia y, en primer lugar, de los enfermos".

El texto añade que la liberación se debe producir por decisión unilateral de las Farc o de cualquier organización responsable del secuestro. También contempla la posibilidad de que se haga un canje humanitario urgente.

La resolución dice además que el Parlamento Europeo “reitera su convicción de que la lucha contra el terrorismo debe llevarse a cabo dentro del más estricto respeto de los derechos humanos, las libertades civiles y el Estado de Derecho". La resolución será emitida durante la próxima cumbre Unión Europea-América Latina y Caribe que se celebrará en Lima.

El contenido de la resolución fue discutido ayer en la Eurocámara y aprobado esta mañana con 542 votos a favor, 12 en contra y 12 abstenciones. El Partido Popular Europeo, el Partido Socialista y el Liberal, Unión por la Europa de las Naciones, Los Verdes e Izquierda Unitaria habían pactado la aprobación de la resolución.

Los parlamentarios españoles Willy Meyer (Izquierda Unida) y Raúl Romeva (Los Verdes) buscaban enmendar el texto para que se incluyera "una solución política y negociada al conflicto interno de Colombia, de acuerdo con las recomendaciones de las Naciones Unidas". Pero la propuesta fue rechazada por 182 votos a favor, 370 en contra y 10 abstenciones.

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

romy says on Apr 25, 2008, 10:47:

"the votes against a resolution were from members who wanted an adding motion to the resolution asking for a political solution to the conflict"

that might be true, but that's not what it says in the semana article. the 'political solution' proposal was an ammendment and had a separate vote "182 votos a favor, 370 en contra y 10 abstenciones"

Mononoke28 says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:12:

I love this sentence: "Europa exige liberar a secuestrados". 'Cause you know... demanding something will make it happen. =\

Diana

jorgegdiaz says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:31:

Romy, read Robert´s Rules of Order and then you´ll realize how things are voted.

I´m sure they didn´t vote for the main motion to press for statement that included their addition motion (...political solution to the conflict).

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

billyb says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:35:

political dribble aside, how can anybody in good conscience vote against the unconditional release of people being held chained by their necks to trees in the jungle?

jorgegdiaz says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:36:

That´s what I´´m trying to say billy. Those people didn´t vote AGAINST not the release. they voted b/c, according to them, the statement was incomplete.

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

billyb says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:40:

but what is incomplete about "release them unconditionally"?

romy says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:42:

jorgegdiaz- interesting reference (Robert's rules of order), though I already understood some of these concepts thus my previous comment in this post.
I'm just cautious to assume that it's the same people involved, without knowing how people actually voted (I don't believe it's a public vote as I have not seen any of the names).

jorgegdiaz says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:43:

They wanted to add " ... political solution to the conflict"

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

billyb says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:51:

So by that logic, they are against the release of the hostages if there isn't a political solution, that still makes them pieces of sh!t and no better than the FARC in my book.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 12:00:

No billyb, it's you who choses to interpret that vote in a way to make it look like you were right and they are shit...
The way I read it is that they did not vote for an incomplete statement, not that they were against releasing the hostages.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

billyb says on Apr 25, 2008, 12:11:

again, my question, what is incomplete about "releasing unconditionally the hostages"? whatever else they wanted added is just political dribble.

romy says on Apr 25, 2008, 12:26:

Desideria- he did say "in my book", anyone is free to have their opinions. just like you choose to see it your way. unfortunately this cannot be settled here because we don't have the accesibility required. If everyone can be a little more critical of what they read and more open to the possibility of different interpretations then it's a gain for society. If people choose to be closed minded and not look at the broader issues then that's up to them.

billyb says on Apr 25, 2008, 12:32:

My point is that the fact that they were trying to hold that simple, humanitarian demand hostage (no pun intended) to their other political considerations, is what makes them, in my opinion ;) pieces of sh!t

buggy says on Apr 25, 2008, 14:37:

Eat.

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

billyb says on Apr 25, 2008, 21:34:

jajaja, bugeye, that's is what we love about you. Your witticisms are so brilliant....do you have professionals help you in writing them?

buggy says on Apr 25, 2008, 23:47:

As you have got an obsession about shit (in every comment you write this word), I suppose you love it. And we see that you do not need help to write this. You write is so naturally ...

"Artículo 20 de la Constitución Política. Se garantiza a toda persona la libertad de expresar y difundir su pensamiento y opiniones,...No habrá censura."

billyb says on Apr 26, 2008, 21:49:

Again, i am in awe of your witty comebacks, who writes your stuff? Oh, wait, it has to be jerry lewis, the "king of comedy" in france.