elmo's thread

kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 08:54:

uhmm

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rhydewithdis says on Apr 24, 2008, 08:55:

Yup looks like it. Moderators here are a tad bit overzealous...

They said I couldn't play football I was too small / They say I couldn't play basketball I wasn't tall / They say I couldn't play baseball at all / And now everyday of my life I ball.

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rhydewithdis says on Apr 24, 2008, 08:56:

Matter of fact, they should LOCK threads versus deleting them all together. Along with LOCKING a thread they could point to what was violated in the forum rules. TRANSPARENCY would be appreciated by everyone here...

They said I couldn't play football I was too small / They say I couldn't play basketball I wasn't tall / They say I couldn't play baseball at all / And now everyday of my life I ball.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 08:57:

but there was not fighting on that thread it was going fine, some comments were very interesting

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rhydewithdis says on Apr 24, 2008, 09:02:

I agree... like I said, the mods are overzealous...

Kat1 can you post the MOD user names? I'd like to send them a Private Message. I feel like I add value to this board, but I feel that the moderation of topics done here is detracting from the experience. I'd like to voice my opinion directly to them so they know that they are potentially driving me along with others like myself away to other boards.

They said I couldn't play football I was too small / They say I couldn't play basketball I wasn't tall / They say I couldn't play baseball at all / And now everyday of my life I ball.

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slguy says on Apr 24, 2008, 09:09:

i'm with kat on this one...what happened, des?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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morphus says on Apr 24, 2008, 09:13:

It was better than that "Meat Cuts" thread.

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 09:19:

I was just posting,

Mafe
She made sure I remembered that I was a Colombianita, she kept our traditions, would make us arepitas, bandejas paisa...she kept Colombia alive in the U.S. for us, and in our hearts!

Your mother did a great job and Swinn88 is right MaFe will be a great mother as well.

Colombia needs more people like you and your mother, and not for short periods of visits, or visitas de médico. :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Swinn88 says on Apr 24, 2008, 09:22:

I thought the Topic was pretty interesting as well.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 09:53:

me too i wonder?
Can we have a simple explanation in where did we cross the line?

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 09:55:

It is the Farc´s fault, not way giving it a second though it was paraquitos, should I said congresito´s fault :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 09:57:

Kat check your pms.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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slguy says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:01:

des? the rest of us are curious, too. :(

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:03:

I think someone must not have liked the title. It's a shame that they didn't take the time to look into the actual thread to see what the discussion was really about.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:03:

she just sent me a threatening email, telling me to zipped and not to revolutionized PBH otherwise i will be send to exile ;P

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slguy says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:04:

:)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:04:

RTFA

:-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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rhydewithdis says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:05:

Who are the moderators - can someone tell me?

They said I couldn't play football I was too small / They say I couldn't play basketball I wasn't tall / They say I couldn't play baseball at all / And now everyday of my life I ball.

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:06:

Raaay
Rooby
American
Desi

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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slguy says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:06:

peter and desi seem to be holding down the fort for now.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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El Polo says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:06:

"I think someone must not have liked the title. It's a shame that they didn't take the time to look into the actual thread to see what the discussion was really about" CG

I agree with CG, but the thread was posted yesterday with about 150 comments, why the late whistle?

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MaFe says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:19:

Webmanco gracias,
and Kat...I agree with you on this thread 100%!

Wow...can't believe that thread was deleted....not one person offended anyone..
its call opinions people...we all can't agree on everything right?
Why would a thread where we all have different opinions be deleted?

I love listening to people, to see how different we are, yet similar. We all learn from different opinions, different views...

Oh well...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:19:

That was another great Thread by Elmo. Don´t need to elaborate on what did he change Butterflies for.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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morphus says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:40:

I don't see the point in being so strict here. As long as its nothing too way over the top. Anyway, whats the point? No new users can sign up right now. And when they can sign up again, the trolls are going to be waiting full force with much worse, dreadful, spit in your face posts. They will be even hungrier. This time they will be prepared for the next shutdown and sign up with hundreds of accounts. PBH is trolls heaven. Its popular in google and there is no IP blocking. PBH might as well shutdown all together.

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miamimike says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:41:

Kat Asks "Am I going Crazy"? Yes Mi Burbujita, most people who wear a Tinfoil Hat do go or already are crazy,,,Ji JI

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:42:

I am sure it was a mistake, that is all. Not conspiracies, left or right orientations.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 10:53:

miamimike says on Thursday April 24th, 2008 10:41:

Kat Asks "Am I going Crazy"? Yes Mi Burbujita, most people who wear a Tinfoil Hat do go or already are crazy,,,Ji JI

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MaFe says on Apr 24, 2008, 12:17:

Rubito....this time I agree with some stuff you said, not how you just attacked before!


I really enjoy being part Colombian, but I also enjoy my mother's culture, and living in America.
I wont go back because I was raised here. I wasn't allowed to go back to Colombia until I was 18!

I don't sorround myself with only Colombians, it's sad to say but I barely have any Colombian friends because I don't see eye to eye with them, and I never grew up with any Colombians.
I have friends from all races, sizes, ages, e.t.c., I like variety, and I feel that's how people learn and become better individuals.

I only have a problem when people deny who they are. I don't care if people are pro whatever, I just don't like people denying their roots...

Rubito...this might get deleted!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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slguy says on Apr 24, 2008, 12:21:

"I think all the Colombians who are so proud of their roots yet won't move back are kinda silly. If you care so damn much about your Colombianness why not just go back and SURROUND yourself with other Colombians"


when you're right, you're right, rubito.

all this chest-thumping by colombians who choose to live elsewhere is hipocritical, at best. what good is earning more money elsewhere if you leave behind the country/culture you profess to love so much?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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rocinante says on Apr 24, 2008, 12:25:

This might get deleted but I have to say the Colombians in Colombia and the ones living in the US are not even the same species. Sorry but there is a marked difference. Why is this? Who knows?

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

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Swinn88 says on Apr 24, 2008, 12:34:

well said Rubito.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 12:45:

Rocinante
The Colombian born and bread abroad are differents from the Colombians in Colombia who never been abroad the same goes to
the Colombians that were taken when kids to live abroad are also different
and the Colombians who went to live abroad when older (like me) are becoming a bit different too our mentality change a bit.

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miamimike says on Apr 24, 2008, 12:52:

I know you have a buen sentido del humor Kat so thats why I make these Bromas to you. jaja

Good point you make Rubito, I agree`

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 12:59:

I am proud of my roots, but i like to learn about other cultures too, the problem is when you get over-patriotic and refused to accept the new culture and won't mix that's when i think then why bother to come to a new country.

Miamimike i know but that hat is starting to look like a tin foil know :((

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miamimike says on Apr 24, 2008, 13:04:

Kat, Que te dijo,,LOL

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 24, 2008, 13:28:

Despite your finding it silly, some of us really want to go back but are hindered by the realities of life. I would gladly get up and move to Colombia except for the fact that I have two kids here that need their dad.

Of course, I could put my needs first and go anyway. My only enforceable legal responsibility is to pay child support. However, I would have to be a real piece of garbage to move to another country and relegate my relationship with my kids to phone calls and email. Their wellbeing is more important than my wishes at this stage so I gladly make the sacrifice knowing that I will eventually be able to go home.

Consequently, I am more or less stuck here so I must make the best of the situation by making and saving as much money as possible while the kids grow up. In the meantime, I go to Colombia around five or six times a year and spend as much time as I can there.

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Swinn88 says on Apr 24, 2008, 13:31:

Did we find out why the thread was deleted?

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 24, 2008, 13:33:

Peter deleted it. He just saw all the stuff about hoochies in NYC and axed it.

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 13:49:

Colombians in Colombia and the ones living in the US are not even the same species. Sorry but there is a marked difference. Why is this? Who knows?

Las distancias cambian la gente, los resentimientos, bueno eso y el biyuyo y la falta del mismo. :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 13:51:

what about the ones living in the UK? ;))))

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 13:52:

There is even a bigger difference, se creen ukanizados :-) If you don´t belive ask the OP.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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NataliaV says on Apr 24, 2008, 13:57:

Yeah, my husband always says he got a broken colombiana because I don't always get his plate of food or am not constantly cleaning the house like my mom and abuela do. And, get this, when we are at my abuela's house, she yells at me if I am not catering to his every need. He loves it. But I will say he is well taken care of and he just plays in to it for fun.

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 13:59:

There needs to be a balance, old fashion and new fashion wifes, but now days women want a maid or two in the house.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 24, 2008, 14:02:

I think that part of that balance is that both partners have to contribute something. If they both work, then they are both doing their part and a getting a maid is in order. However, if the wife chooses to say at home, then her part of her contribution should be cleaning and cooking. That's not to say that the husband doesn't have to do anything around the house just because he works. When kids are involved the equation changes.

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NataliaV says on Apr 24, 2008, 14:13:

agree. Both should do their part. I was very lucky to marry a man that indeeds helps out more than I ask. Plus, he doesn't always like being waited on hand and foot.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 15:15:

Elmo is Uribe's cousin

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lpdiver says on Apr 24, 2008, 15:21:

Who is Uribe?
t

"cook some rice!"

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 24, 2008, 15:23:

the president of a country call Columbia ;p

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NataliaV says on Apr 24, 2008, 15:25:

haha...funny kat

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lpdiver says on Apr 24, 2008, 15:29:

good one!

Will he try to change the constitution and run for a third term...I think so!



t

"cook some rice!"

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manINred says on Apr 24, 2008, 15:58:

"I'm proud to be ashamed of being Canadian :P "

Rubito, lol, one of the greatest proud statements ever!

It's true, who really cares where anyone's from? I'm a hypocrite I guess, I identify with certain things (like Manchester United and English football, etc... the former of which I am currently extremely proud of :)) but let's face it, what makes YOU unique, interesting, etc... isn't where you're from, it's you as an individual, your achievements and accomplishments, etc...!

Being proud of being Colombian because there are some good looking women in Medellin, for example, is a bit odd, especially if those looks don't translate to you as an individual, or if you are a man, it isn't your own achievement. Or for the coffee, why should you be proud unless you actually MAKE that coffee? Be proud of what you do, not where you come from.

Oh well, when United beat Chelsea on Saturday then Barcelona on Tuesday I'll keep that in mind, but I'll be equally proud and happy for an accomplishment that has nothing to do with me ;) I love hypocrisy!

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Lisa Zee says on Apr 24, 2008, 16:01:

I am late on this post, but as much as I love Colombia, keep in touch with my family and visit often, we change or grow different, specially if you marry a none Colombian. At home English has been the primary language, I spoke to my son in Spanish, but at soon as he started school, he did`t want to speak it.
I always listen to English music, and T.V. I am starting to listen Spanish music only in the last few years.
I have lived here in California more than half of my life, so I guess I am a bit different.

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MaFe says on Apr 24, 2008, 16:14:

There is nothing wrong with being proud of the country you were born in!
Just because you take pride in your roots doesn't mean you can't assimilate to any cultures, nor raise your children with your native language and culture!

"kat1 says on Thursday April 24th, 2008 12:45:
Rocinante
The Colombian born and bread abroad are differents from the Colombians in Colombia who never been abroad the same goes to
the Colombians that were taken when kids to live abroad are also different
and the Colombians who went to live abroad when older (like me) are becoming a bit different too our mentality change a bit."

This is your opinion, and not true for me. I was born in colombia, raised out of Colombia. My older cousin who is 30, married, never has left Colombia can't make beans, arepas, or empandas, she barely cooks. She buys everything already made.
I raised in the states; make my paisa frijoles, make arepas and empandas from scratch! Why? Because my mother was a proud Colombian who preserved her culture, and passed it on to her children, while making sure I assimilated to my host country...
I was raised with all of my mother's values and believe in them, and so does my 19 year old sister!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 16:16:

Una familia muy bonita. Yo también estoy felizmente colombianizado.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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PALEOLITICO says on Apr 24, 2008, 20:12:

lpdiver: "Who is Uribe"

Preguntale a buggy. El te da la biografia completa! (bueno, un poco parcializada y distorcionada jijiji)

Puede alguien decirme CUAL FUE EL TITULO del famoso post de elmo que suprimieron?

"Si tuvieras la fe del tamaño de una semilla de mostaza y le dijeras a esa montaña - Muévete - la montaña se movería"

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webmanco says on Apr 24, 2008, 20:13:

Colombianitas in NYC and their attitude (Poorbuthappy in Colombia!)

Elmo used to work for Google, his thread is the first one when searching for colombianita.

First on PBH
fifth on Google.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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PALEOLITICO says on Apr 24, 2008, 20:21:

"searching for colombianita". Cómo así?

"Si tuvieras la fe del tamaño de una semilla de mostaza y le dijeras a esa montaña - Muévete - la montaña se movería"

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CanadaMan says on Apr 24, 2008, 20:21:

Kat1,

Where is this country called Columbia ? jajajajajajaja

Kat you still in Colombia ?

Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am engaged to a wonderful Peruviana.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 00:12:

no, CM I am back in the UK. :(
My next trip to Colombia will be at Christmas but my parents are coming in July weey heyyyy

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morphus says on Apr 25, 2008, 05:21:

I'm proud not to be Colombian...hur hur

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robi666 says on Apr 25, 2008, 05:25:

Kat, about the original post:
you mods, Desi, Colombich and yourself, should exchange emails and decide which thread to delete before doing it.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 05:49:

here everybody work individually :))) security reasons ....

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slguy says on Apr 25, 2008, 05:55:

security reasons....jaaja

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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elmodefoque says on Apr 25, 2008, 05:59:

cordobita, yeah!!

I've been too busy fishin to check in and you're right, what the fok happend to my glorious thread?
have i disclosed colombia's most kept secred, that we have hookers working all over the world< if so then i apologize

thank you

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 05:59:

yes, sly you know just like the royal family they can't be all together or share things like emails imaging!!!! someone can send them a virus, hijack the site, kidnapped all of them while in a meeting and wozzzzzzz they will all gone. :))))))

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slguy says on Apr 25, 2008, 06:03:

i'll rest easier now, knowing that appropriate security has been implemented! don't worry - i won't tell anyone else!!! ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 06:20:

robi666 says on Friday April 25th, 2008 5:25:

Kat, about the original post:
you mods, Desi, Colombich and yourself, should exchange emails and decide which thread to delete before doing it.


Robi, Colombiche is gone...someone broke into her personal account...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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morphus says on Apr 25, 2008, 06:27:

Again? Some people on here like breaking into personal accounts. I can name at least 3.

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aztec says on Apr 25, 2008, 06:45:

March of the "Great Homogenizer" continues!

We all must be washed.

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robi666 says on Apr 25, 2008, 07:37:

Name the 3, Morphus... :)
Colombiche is still here: http://poorbuthappy.com/colombiche/

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 07:40:

As far as I know a personal account on PBH never have been broken into.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 07:43:

Mafe it doesn't matter if you cook better bandeja paisa that you Colombian cousin or know more Colombian artist than him, but your way of thinking is very different from them , even ME who grew up in Colombia and came to live abroad after I married have change a bit.

I listen to my family who they all are still in Colombia apart from one sister and i see the different how much i change my way of thinking.

the funny thing is I now know more about Colombia and are a bit more patriotic (not - overly) than my family :)))) I have to keep telling them and some people that not everything outside Colombia is rosy and that they should appreciated more our Country

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 07:49:

I don´t think there are hackes on PBH, the "hack" account took place elsewhere, and then again one is victim of our own mistakes. Ever heard of social hacking?

To be hacked is not reason enough no to partake on PBH, but to each its own.

MaFe the grass is not always green at the other side!

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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robi666 says on Apr 25, 2008, 07:50:

"As far as I know a personal account on PBH never have been broken into."

kat, you sadly missed when I broke into Ray's account... it has been a funny hour... LOL

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 07:52:

Robi, she left last month!

Kat...read below...
Everyone knows what Colombiche wrote, and how it was erased...
I just know that she is no longer on the board because her account was hacked into! I am not pointing fingers, just simply stating she is no longer here!


http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

Colombiche's thread explaining everything was deleted;
here are some of the post she wrote;

===================================
Colombiche comments on Meltdowns on PBH

http://poorbuthappy.com/yourthing/post/well-there-it-is/ Take care guys, C.
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Colombiche comments on WEll... there it is!!!

Well, as I can see it's business as usual. Too bad, I reached out, found some support but also some really deaf ears regarding this situation. I cannot have my credibility questioned. To watch things go on as if nothing have happened is a little more than what I can handle. Thanks guys and please take care. I very much enjoyed meeting many of you who are wonderful people. Ciao, Colombiche.

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Colombiche comments on WEll... there it is!!!

Sigh. I am sensible sane person, I am not a troll and I don't talk out of my behind. Exhaustive research was done at cblog, JD is very hands on and does not put up with any shit. If the person in question wants to dispute this evidence.. you know where to go.
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Colombiche comments on WEll... there it is!!!

It wasn't a couple of years ago, it wasn't even a year ago. I can't believe some people up here just say "oh well, stop posting then" or "big deal, your problem you should take security measures". This is real and it can happen to anybody and it doesn't mean she wasn't taking security measures or doing anything to deserve it. The owner of the other blog had evidence that he collected overtime that he shared with the owner of this site at one point in time.

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Colombiche comments on WEll... there it is!!!

My account was hacked, it wasn't my imagination, neither was the grief I had to deal with.

==============================

Colombiche comments on Freedom of Expresion in Colombia and at PBH

Let's stop being cryptic now. I am trying to avoid this topic but fuck it, I am going public with this. Back at cblog my account was hacked into, somebody distributed pm's that violated my privacy and caused me months of grief in my personal life (are you happy now?????). I received threats to my life and person for several months. I am not making this up, I have several witnesses that can speak up right now because they saw the entire situation unfold before their eyes. I am not a troll, I am a real person and some people here know me and can attest to that. The guilty party is OFFICIALLY getting away with it (clap clap clap) I have warned Peter and Desi that the guilty party walks among us, but so far all I hear is my own echo. Peter, we need more security and control, URGENTLY. I would hate for this to happen to another one of the ladies here at PBH, to have to go through this. I tried really hard to keep this low key but I can't anymore... I just can't deal with it, I can't.

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"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 07:54:

While Colombiche account is active, she remains in PBH as well

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 07:57:

I know webmanco but she said bye to people, I was told she left...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 07:58:

Sólo le deseo buena suerte.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 08:04:

no she is still here she posted a few days ago, and her account was broke in another blog not here on PBH and hopefully it will never happen here.
she is still active on both blogs.

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 08:58:

kat1 says on Friday April 25th, 2008 8:04:

no she is still here she posted a few days ago, and her account was broke in another blog not here on PBH and hopefully it will never happen here.
she is still active on both blogs.

Can you please tell me when she posted here?
Anyone can clearly see her last comment was on 3/25 where she clearly stated how annoyed she was at what had happened to her....

Again please show us where she posted a few days ago here...because simple search on her comments and profile shows other wise!!!

Her problem was here...

" Colombiche says on Friday April 4th, 2008 9:15:

Let's stop being cryptic now. I am trying to avoid this topic but fuck it, I am going public with this.

Back at cblog my account was hacked into, somebody distributed pm's that violated my privacy and caused me months of grief in my personal life (are you happy now?????). I received threats to my life and person for several months. I am not making this up, I have several witnesses that can speak up right now because they saw the entire situation unfold before their eyes.

I am not a troll, I am a real person and some people here know me and can attest to that.


The guilty party is OFFICIALLY getting away with it (clap clap clap) I have warned Peter and Desi that the guilty party walks among us, but so far all I hear is my own echo. Peter, we need more security and control, URGENTLY. I would hate for this to happen to another one of the ladies here at PBH, to have to go through this.

I tried really hard to keep this low key but I can't anymore... I just can't deal with it, I can't."

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 08:59:

MaFe
Of course she post on the other board, no one broke into her account there...why would she stop posting there?

If you read well her comments, here at PBH, that is what she said, her account was broke into at the other site, it does not make any difference.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:04:

Wemanco, I corrected myself, thank you.

She is not here to defend herself- I don't know the facts so I can't speak for her.
I also refuse to speculate since I am not the party involved.
I will however, point to people like Kat who know that she is no longer here AND why- not to lie.

I do know, that she is no longer on this board because something that happened here.

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:07:

No one is acussing her of anything.

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:09:

Webmanco, they are.....that she is still on this board...when people clearly know why she left; Desi, Pete, and Kat...

Read above, she says good bye!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:11:

To post or not to post in any given board is not a sin. While she is not posting, her account is active. She took a break before.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:13:

kat1 says on Friday April 25th, 2008 7:43:

Mafe it doesn't matter if you cook better bandeja paisa that you Colombian cousin or know more Colombian artist than him, but your way of thinking is very different from them , even ME who grew up in Colombia and came to live abroad after I married have change a bit.

I listen to my family who they all are still in Colombia apart from one sister and i see the different how much i change my way of thinking.

the funny thing is I now know more about Colombia and are a bit more patriotic (not - overly) than my family :)))) I have to keep telling them and some people that not everything outside Colombia is rosy and that they should appreciated more our Country
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Kat, you should clearly learn to pay more attention when you read.
I never said I cooked a bandeja paisa better, I clearly stated that my girl cousin, who is older than I am, who is 100% Colombia, never left Colombia can't even cook frijoles.

Point is, you choose to think differently.
I have a mother who takes 100% pride in being Colombian, and have passed that on to her children. My mother still thinks like a Colombiana...

So you think all Colombians living in Colombia think alike?
I think not!
Everyone is different, doesn't matter if you were born some place raised another.
People are not the same, and even in their own countries aren't the same.

I have met women in Colombia that are brilliant and have great careers, I have met women in COlombia that don't think school is worth their time.
I have met Colombianas in Colombia who refuse to cook and clean, and again women in Colombia that do all of that...

They all vary...not one Colombiana is alike!
Why generalize????

People are different...period.

I know many Latinos/Colombians over seas that are very Colombian...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:15:

?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:27:

Yes, she said that she was not going to post on this board any longer, but she did, a couple days back, kat1 is right, I read her too...it may have been in Spanish Only section and I can't find her comments any longer, which may meanthat she deleted her comments herself. There has been a huge amount of deleted comments lately due to Cali Spammer and I can only see ythe most recent ones and her comments are not there, so I have no proof, but I KNOW that she posted, because I thought "Oh good, Colombiche is back!"

Webmanco, please contact me as soon as possible.


Cheers!

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:36:

My PM is always active

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slguy says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:44:

"They all vary...not one Colombiana is alike!
Why generalize????

People are different...period."

then why are you sooooooo insistent that your view of cultural preservation is the ONLY valid one, MaFe? you're too bright a gal to be so judgemental...

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:45:

I've sent you two pms and you haven't answered them.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:48:

I do anwer everything I get, therefore I didnot get your e-mails or PM, I am starting to panic :-)

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:48:

slguy says on Friday April 25th, 2008 9:44:

"They all vary...not one Colombiana is alike!
Why generalize????

People are different...period."

then why are you sooooooo insistent that your view of cultural preservation is the ONLY valid one, MaFe? you're too bright a gal to be so judgemental...


Gracias SL, I don't insist..I am simply stating my personal experience, and the people I have met.
I grew up with two cultures.
I am not just promoting Colombia.
I was raised with two different cultures in the US and my mother managed to have us with all 3 cultures...what is wrong with that?

I have stated many times, to each his own, but i 100% thank my mother for preserving 3 cultures for me!
I grew up in the states where it is a melting pot, but many people do preserve their roots AND assimilate to their host country.
Nothing wrong with that.

I have also stated how everyone learns from different cultures.
My mother always emphasized that.

I just don't like people who deny where they are from, or have children and don't teach them their culture.
No se si me entiendes?

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:56:

but they do mafe, A Colombian living abroad think different from a Colombian who has never been out of the country, this is not bad either actually some good come out of this, as I said even me.

In some way or another the environment we are living now, the people we have met everything the experience and not being in our county 24/7 is bound to affect the way we think for good or bad.

engage brain before opening mouth

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 09:58:

And this goes the other way round too, an American raised in Colombia is bound to think different from an American whose never been out of America. no matter how much his American parents try to show him the American culture.

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Cerealkiller says on Apr 25, 2008, 10:42:

I didnt know about Colombiche. It sucks ass that she is gone, she has always been one of my top 5 favourite posters :(

In regards to 'colombianness'...how do you define that? I am Colombian and couldn't cook even if my life depended on it. Did not grow up eating bandeja paisa or ajiaco, as a matter of fact I hated beans and did not learn to eat them until I moved to central america, hence I only eat black beans. My parents never listened to vallenato or cumbia or salsa, I have two left feet when it comes to dancing, I don't eat meat or fried anything, I hate aguardiente and Im not a catholic. Does that mean then than someone who has never lived in Colombia and does all those things can all of a sudden be 'more' Colombian than me? Because that's just counterintuitive.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 10:45:

Cereal killer!! Thank you!!! I didn't grow up with thos things either (except some of the food), have many similarities with what you wrote...

I don't know how I am less of a Colombiana either!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 10:49:

CK i assume you parents are American or British don't know but that's what i mean you think different from an American girl or British assuming your parents are British that have never been out of her country, you think different because you have been raised in another country you think more Colombian no matter if you don't like all Colombian stuff, but you grew up there, made friend there and were bombarded with Colombian culture 24/7 so its bound to affect the way you think.

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Cerealkiller says on Apr 25, 2008, 10:52:

You bet your ass I was bombarded, Im a big time beaner now!!! I do love arepas though, cant live without them...Parents are not American or British, god forbid :P

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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morphus says on Apr 25, 2008, 10:53:

I guess Colombiche was'nt getting paid Desideria money. Desi is getting greedy. She even moonlights over on Colombia Blog. They pay her in Colombian pesos over there.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 10:55:

where your parents come from CK? :S

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:02:

You can still be Colombian, raised somewhere else by at least 1 Colombian parent and still be Colombian at heart.

It's ridiculous to think that because you are not born in Colombia, raised in a different culture, or moved as an adult to a different country you are less Colombian Kat!

Again, many Colombians in Colombia aren't the same, not all are the same religion, not all dance, drink, eat the same....people vary but no matter what they all have something in common....COLOMBIA!

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:06:

i didn't say you are less Colombian, i say you think different from a Colombian living in Colombia.


"Again, many Colombians in Colombia aren't the same, not all are the same religion, not all dance, drink, eat the same....people vary but no matter what they all have something in common....COLOMBIA!"

Off course, like not many American in America are the same or British but the ones living abroad think different, this is not bad at all.I think different yet I consider myself a true Colombian.


Many people who has been living in Colombia or go to Colombia now the difference even by reading this board they know WE think a bit different.

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:07:

kat1 says on Friday April 25th, 2008 11:06:

i didn't say you are less Colombian, i say you think different from a Colombian living in Colombia.


All Colombians living in Colombia do NOT think alike....very broad statement.

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:49:

Desi, gracias por tú sinceridad, lastima que también estes equivocada.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:57:

Pienso que no....pero necesito que me contestes en privado.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 11:58:

Ya conteste, estan perdiendo el tiempo conmigo. ........Big time

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 12:06:

Y esa es tu respuesta?
Yo esperaba algo mejor...pero comprendo tambien que a tí no te conviene que sigamos hablando del asunto.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 12:07:

Comprendes muy mal. Revisa el correo antes de seguir juzgando

I like your signature but with a slight variation

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are right."

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 15:34:

Yo no juzgo a nadie pero el hecho que tu no te comunicas conmigo no me convence mucho.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 15:43:

did you get webmanco's email desi?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 15:51:

No, kat.

I've got several other mails including yours after he told me to check my mail but nothing from him.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 15:52:

uhmm
webmanco tsk tsk el que nada debe nada teme?

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 15:57:

I see Desi had some issues with her e-mail account. Peter got a copy, hopefully he got it. E-mailed at the same time. Right after I said I did.

Not that I need to communicate with you Desi. Check your junk box, maybe it is in there.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 15:59:

Nope, my e-mail is working fine.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:01:

It is not, ask Peter if he got it.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:02:

It's a shame that was an interesting topic has degraded into a semi-public argument about account hacking.

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:04:

account hacking and libel and slander.

I did send the long one with a copy to Peter, and two more to Desi.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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ColombianoGringo says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:06:

Regardless, Can't you keep it in PM or at least start another thread?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:08:

If you answered my PM why would I have to ask Peter? We don't have joint e-mail accounts.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:11:

Because I sent a copy to him, if he got his, your e-mail is at fault maryu.....

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:15:

Ok, there's always that possibility.
CG, yes, we can get back to topic now.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:19:

Kat1 alborotando el abispero :-)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are right."

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:26:

Pedro, if I'm wrong then you need to show me why and how. It's not enough to say that "you are wrong".Refusing to address the issue is not good.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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robi666 says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:28:

"CG, yes, we can get back to topic now."

No no sigan por favor... me gusta el chisme.
Webmanco, you can send the same email to me, and I will be pleased to forward it to Desi. She always gets my emails.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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MaFe says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:30:

ColombianoGringo says on Friday April 25th, 2008 16:06:

Regardless, Can't you keep it in PM or at least start another thread?

Good point CB!!
I am still waiting a response in how I or cereal killer don't think like other Colombians since we weren't raised in Colombia,

or why someone here thinks ALL colombians in Colombia think alike....

Last time I check...people's taste, thoughts, ideas, etc varies...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:31:

Desi
I´ve had been addressing the issued since the begining, but maybe you are not the right person to deal this matter with. The e-mail just was resend. But then again you might not be the right person.

Not only I don`t need to show you anything, but I got nothing to show or to hide, all I can said is many are mistaken and there is not way I could or should prove you and others wrong, especiallly when you and others don`t deliver.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:36:

Yes, perhaps you are right. The person you need to talk with is Colombiche.
But, as the mod both here and on Cblog and the first person to receive that e-mail from womencolombianblog at gmail.com> I feel that I might be just the right person.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:37:

I did all the needed talk with her, and I stand correct. The problem is lack of information from the other side or bad judgement from received information. Or manipulation of information.

Sleeping with the enemy .

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:40:

MaFe, sorry about this matter that should have dealt in private, except that I can't get an answer to my PMs.Perhaps we need to start yet another thread about the topic.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:41:

Pedro, I've been honest with you.
I need an honest answer to my honest PM:

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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robi666 says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:41:

"Perhaps we need to start yet another thread about the topic."
yes, please, do it.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 16:43:

My Freedom of expression was tampered with when I wrote this Desi,

A veces ser honesto no paga. Regardless I am beign honest.

I am outnumbered, but nada de nervios. Cuantos son? de uno en uno por favor :-)

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=webmanco&word2=c...

I am starting to believe that yahoo e-mail accounts sucks.

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 25, 2008, 17:00:

Desde que comenzamos a hablar en este thread he recibido cuatro mensajes a esa cuenta de correo web (yahoo). Claro que es posible que por algun motivo no haya llegado el tuyo. Como el hecho que no lo hayas enviado.

No tengo ni cinco de ganas de pelear contigo, pedro. Siempre he apreciado tus contribuciones a este foro y te tengo estima. Pero la acusacion es en serio y debe afrentarse en serio.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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webmanco says on Apr 25, 2008, 20:05:

Si es en serio comportensen cómo tal, no dando pie a rumores, chismes y malas interpretaciones. Veo con gravedad que se usen los mensajes privados para hablar mal de los demás. Rajar del prójimo. Y considero hipócrita el que se usen los mismos mensajes privados para invitar a participar en otros lados.

Ser moderadora del otro sitio, te quita autonomia para ser imparcial. Agradezco el que seas moderadora, pero al mismo tiempo el que seas moderadora no me impresiona en lo más minimo.


Ahora bien si esto paso a ser casi que público fue por que aquí editaron unos "hilos threads" mios, sin yo haber infringido ninguna regla, si no pueden aislar los rumores, ni problemas personales, de la labor de moderadoras entonces estamos graves.

Al final es mejor que sea público y no que solamente se calumnie a espaldas mediante mensajes privados.

El mensaje reenviado por segunda vez, una vez más con copia a Peter, y esta vez con copia a mi mismo me llego. "Yahoo sucks"

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are right."

Si me van a pegar no me regañen. :-)

...A yo, déjenme queto y no me jodan má! ...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 26, 2008, 00:47:

A mi tampoco me