el santo papa...

dwmte says on Apr 1, 2005, 06:31:

how did that happen GIB? do you feel like sharing a bit of that with us?

dw

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dwmte says on Apr 1, 2005, 07:10:

from my far from saintly perspective.... our HOLY COMMON FATHER, showed us great GRACE when he gave us EL SANTO PAPA, JUAN PABLO II....

a HOLY and devoted human who from within the church which had denied them, he worked to save the lives of jews in poland. too, his life has been a living statement of 'right living' an example which we all could follow and esteem.

REMEMBER THE HOURS OF POPE JOHN PAUL II; WEEP--IN JOY--AND BE THANKFUL...AMEN

dw

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soul_searcher says on Apr 1, 2005, 07:41:

Pope's Passing I am not a practicing Catholic, but I feel very sad that the Pope's health is failing. I'll add to your comments, dwmte, by saying the Pope changed politics and the world itself. He was the first non-Italian Pope, he inspired Walenza(spell??)and the Polish people to question their authority which brought down the Wall in East Berlin and eventually Communism. It was such an exciting time. He's truly earned to rest in peace.

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elmodefoque says on Apr 1, 2005, 07:49:

Searcher, I’m a non believer, a heart less lost soul, but in this case I share your same sentiments.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

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soul_searcher says on Apr 1, 2005, 08:08:

Elmo, You have a Heart??? Too much sadness and death. Terry Shiavo and Prince Rainier, who is a very devout Catholic. Man, no one gets out of here alive!! Although you, Elmo, should be left on life support as punishment for all your vulgarity.

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stevens says on Apr 1, 2005, 08:25:

GIB (Maybe one keeps me Holy and the other keeps me humble? It could be they need each other? )
Me, too, GIB. My character flaws keep me humble and force me back into action and to a higher power time and time again. I'm so selfish that if I was perfect I'd never make an effort to help others. It's because I need help that I help. I was raised to believe that my thoughts were evil, that thinking something was just as bad as doing it, but that was a long time ago. Now I believe that although I can't think my way into right living, I can live my way into right thinking. Peace

Elmo - Yes, you are vulgar and you go too far. But I look forward to your posts. No one else on this site makes me laugh like you do.
Soul Searcher - Your moniker, combined with your comment above, only show what a self righteous bobo you are.

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ARMacleod says on Apr 1, 2005, 08:48:

Sorry. Happenings in my life caused me to lose my Catholicism, but not my belief in a god. I don't know who my god is but he is there somewhere.

I love and admire this particular Pope, John Paul as a good man and a holy man, but only that.

Sorry soul_searcher, you are just not a very good judge of character, elmo is a character, we need characters. You just don't see the real person from behind your tinted glasses.

Pax vobiscum

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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dwmte says on Apr 1, 2005, 08:50:

elmo a character?...... what the hell gave you that idea, james?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 1, 2005, 08:51:

soul-searcher and in defense of elmo; yes you're right, this guy is vulgar and base beyond your imagination but we kind of like to keep him around for laughs. Then again, appearences can deceive....

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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ColombianoX says on Apr 1, 2005, 08:57:

I'm also praying for the Holy Father's health, as I'm sure most of Colombia is as well. Pope John Paul II is truly one of the twentieth century's greatest figures.


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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ARMacleod says on Apr 1, 2005, 09:03:

As I say El diablo me hizo hacerlo

He would not know it but I know elmo. I would trust him more than a lot of acquaintances that I see on a daily basis.

Pax vobiscum
James.

The brain is like a parachute, it only functions correctly when it is open. Pax vobiscum.

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stevens says on Apr 1, 2005, 09:12:

Soul Searcher It's not just that Elmo makes me laugh. It's that when people like you say something judgemental and mean to him, he always responds not with rancor or defensiveness, but with humility and acceptance of the slightest bit of truth in the accusation. Uh oh, now that I've made him sound so good he's probably going to come back with something really gross.

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kernow62 says on Apr 1, 2005, 12:35:

Who is Saint Potato?

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orgullopaisa says on Apr 1, 2005, 15:50:

It's Time So much wealth, so much gold, so much power.
Now time to meet the true father

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ColombianoX says on Apr 1, 2005, 15:57:

"So much wealth, so much gold, so much power"

What wealth? The Pope is not a millionaire. And the power he has is not economical nor military, but the power of faith.

La próxima vez piense antes de escribir bobadas!


ColombianoX

'Defensor del Catolicismo'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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dwmte says on Apr 1, 2005, 16:11:

ditto, colombiano... i second that comment.
orgullo...

speak out when your own life is as high and holy.

until then keep working on yourself and raising yourself.

lift your own being unto holiness. speak not against it.

dw

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Miguel says on Apr 1, 2005, 16:38:

Juan Pablo II Truly one of the greats of the 20th Century. I hope historians do him justice. He visited St. Louis in 1999, and there was a mass at the local facility where our National Hockey League team plays. The team gave him a hockey stick as a present, and when he emerged from backstage to conduct the service, he had the stick in hand, and as he passed the area where the goal would be, he made a mock "slapshot". The very solemn 20,000 people went from dead silence to wild cheers. A moment to remember. A Papa to remember.

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kernow62 says on Apr 1, 2005, 22:10:

He impressed me by reaching out to other religions, something unknown in the Catholic church.

I also like the fact that he has been outspoken in condemning America's invasions of Iraq & Afghanistan. Not surprisingly most American Catholics do not share this view.

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dwmte says on Apr 2, 2005, 04:02:

not so quick kernow... your daytona buddy shares this view.

i didn't mind so much goin into afghanistan after bin laden and his ilk, but iraq? that was a scam from the gitgo.

we can't afford half of the programs deemed essential here in the US, but we can spend 500 billion in iraq...and those curs don't ever appreciate it. they bomb us for it. duh.

dw

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miamimike says on Apr 2, 2005, 05:32:

A Special Pope for us... coming from a town (Erie,Pa) and Neighborhood with a Large Polish Population--and the Neighborhood Catholic Church I belonged and attended,Saint Casmirs,he was an Immense source of Pride for us in the old neighborhood. The Day he selected as the Pope-it was like an instant block party-people in the street, a Polka Band playing, old Poles dancing in the Churchyard. What a Happy Day that was....Unforgetable, that Day...What a Unforgetable Man..Inolvidable

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Miguel says on Apr 2, 2005, 05:47:

EL HERALDO 2 abril 05 In today's EL HERALDO, there are numerous archived stories and pictures recounting Juan Pablo II's visit to Barranquilla on July 7, 1986; check them out.

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kernow62 says on Apr 2, 2005, 06:03:

dw, that's why I said "most". I concur with your views on this subject.

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arturo says on Apr 2, 2005, 06:04:

never liked this guy, tastes a little too conservative... i will describe myself as liberal & rationalist.

disliking this man is then quite natural, just consider his views about women, abortion, condoms...

never heard about his hit-squad opus-dei?

this pope turns out to be a more serious concern to my freedom than say...mancuso, marulanda & rodrigues Ltd ( as i dont live in colombia)

i hope the next pope will be from the modern wings of the church.

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dwmte says on Apr 2, 2005, 06:24:

you gotta be kiddin.... more serious concern to your freedom than marulanda and like losers?

you need to rethink that seriously.

dw

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carter says on Apr 2, 2005, 09:21:

Pope in Colombia I was just wondering if anyone could write what the pope has done for Colombia? Has he visited Colombia?

This is not me having ago at the pope by the way but I know little of his work here and would like to understand why he is so well liked here.

I have been to one mass held by the pope and once got to see the Dali Lama speak. Both these men have a great presence and you find it hard not to feel moved by there presence no matter what your faith is.

I will agree with arturo though that I would have liked to see him address problems of teen pregnancy and other womens issues. Id also add to that the poor treatment of homosexuals by the catholic church.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 2, 2005, 09:57:

I share carter and arturo's thoughts about the Pope.
kernow; Pope John XXIII in the sixties was the promoter of the ecumenical council and movement which would have brought the different denominations of Christianity into close contact with each other, providing a forum for theological discussions and co-opearation for all Christian churches. He was by far the most progressive pope that the Catholic Church has had, unfortunately his life and work was a short one.

The present pope who is agonizing deserves all respect at his passing; a great man but not the greatest. He will go down in the history books as a staunch conservative failing to adress efectively some of the greatest problems of the modern society: teenage pregnancies, women's and homosexual issues (as already stated by carter and arturo). What comes to mind were the nuns that were raped during the war in the Balkans and were not allowed to abort.

Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 2, 2005, 10:11:

Slavoj Žižek on Pope John Paul II "This is the reason why we today prefer the Dalai Lama to the Pope. Even those who respect Pope John Paul II's moral stance usually accompany this admiration with the qualification that the Pope nonetheless remains hopelessly old-fashioned, medieval even, sticking to old dogmas, out of touch with the demands of new times. How can one today ignore contraception, divorce, abortion? Are these not facts of our life, part of today's self-evident rights? How can the Pope deny the right to abortion, even to a nun who got pregnant through rape, as the Pope effectively did in the case of the raped nuns during the war in Bosnia? Is it not clear that, even when one is in principle against abortion, one should in such an extreme case bend the principle and consent to a compromise? One can understand now why the Dalai Lama is much more appropriate for our post-modern permissive times. He presents us with a vague feel-good spiritualism without any specific obligations. Anyone, even the most decadent Hollywood star, can follow him while continuing his money-grubbing, promiscuous lifestyle. In contrast to it, the Pope reminds us that there is a price to pay for a proper ethical attitude. It is his very stubborn clinging to old values, his ignoring the realistic demands of our time even when the argument against it seems obvious, as is the case of the raped nun, that makes him — conditionally I use this term — great."

Desi
(just providing another point of view)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 2, 2005, 10:25:

the link to the article from which I've quoted a paragraph; in case anybody would be interested,

http://www.egs.edu/faculty/zizek/zizek-human-rights-and-its-discontents.html

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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abbyb says on Apr 2, 2005, 10:47:

"Old fashioned" Gods word "..is the same, yesterday today and forever"

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Apr 2, 2005, 11:02:

Dear Abby, I was referring to Pope John Paul II's stand on moral and social issues. I was not referring to God, neither is the author of the article. Faith is something else and I wouldn't dare to argue that point.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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ColombianoX says on Apr 2, 2005, 11:13:

"I was just wondering if anyone could write what the pope has done for Colombia? Has he visited Colombia?"

carter,

Yes, the Holy Father visited Colombia in July 1986.


CX

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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