Ejercito de Colombia garantiza neutralizar a FARC

kikiortiz11 says on Jun 22, 2005, 06:20:

no me parece triste es justo y necesario..


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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 22, 2005, 08:25:

I don't get it It's not like the army finds an isolated "Clinica Santa Fe" out there in the jungle and burns it down. I'll bet you good money that every one of these "centros de atención medico" is just a room or two in a larger FARC encampment and that by the time the Army gets there the FARC medics are long gone.

No tragedy there.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 22, 2005, 08:54:

I agree. After all the pain and suffering that they have caused I have no sympathy for any of them.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Colombiche says on Jun 22, 2005, 09:22:

Triste??? Sabes que me parece triste? Triste fue cuando los perros de la guerrilla le volaron la cabeza a esa señora con un collar de explosivos. Triste fue cuando los sarnosos de la FARC le pusieron una bomba de control remoto a la bicicleta de un niño y la volaron partiendo su cuerpito en mil pedazos. Triste fue cuando los animales de la guerrilla no dejaron a un niño enfermo ver a su papa secuestrado antes de morir.

Simpatias con la guerrilla?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Miguel says on Jun 22, 2005, 10:38:

¿Triste? (2) War is sad...or armed conflict, if you prefer. Look, Platano, I respect your opinion, but I sure as hell don't agree with it. Those medical centers, like Hollywood pointed out, were not, most likely, a Colombian Walter Reed; more likely a couple of tents stocked with medicine the FARC ripped off from NGO's or other sources. As UC opined, they have caused so much bloodshed and chaos in Colombia, it's hard to go along with your comment. I did appreciate you posting the story, but not your editorial comment. Did they brainwash you while you were kidnapped?

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platano says on Jun 22, 2005, 11:19:

I apologize if I have offended any of you... It just occurred to me that with so much need for medical care of Colombians, the medical supplies could be put to good use in a civilian capacity instead of being destroyed.

I just thought this was an opportunity to show we live by different values, not to condone FARC atrocities, and not to sink to their level of destruction.

I should have learned my lesson by now. I will be posting less in this forum because this political discourse never seems to resolve anything and I prefer not to be labelled "leftist" and "sympathizer" for expressing an alternative nonviolent view.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 22, 2005, 20:32:

Supplies destroyed How do you know the medical supplies are destroyed, Platano? I didn't see that in the article? Considering the value of those supplies (as you pointed out) I'd be very surprised if the Colombian army is wasting any of it by destroying it.

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platano says on Jun 22, 2005, 21:06:

I quoted the words of the Colombian army general... General Carlos Alberto Fracica: "destruido gran cantidad de campamentos", depositos de viveres y centros de atencion médica.

The general did not say captured, the general did not say confiscated, the general did not say decommissioned. The general said "destruido".

From my knowledge of Spanish I understand the word "destruido" means destroyed. Do you have an alternative meaning?


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Mr. Hollywood says on Jun 23, 2005, 05:04:

Centro = center Centro does not = supplies or equipment.

What the general means is that they took down a tent or burned a shack. Even the Colombian military is smart enough to not burn the FARC's MRI machines and high-tech brain tumor surgical center (an AK-47).

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Hunter says on Jun 23, 2005, 12:30:

Destroyed I would be very surprised if they destroyed them, I regularly see mentioned that the Colombian military uses captured terrorist weapons as long as they already fit in with the weaponary already being used, never yet seen a Colombian policeman or soldier with a AK 47, so I suspect that they destroy them, or sell them.

So I suspect similiar happens with other equipment they capture, only destroying what they have to leave behind.

Hunter

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platano says on Jun 23, 2005, 12:55:

I agree... The bulk and weight of an MRI or CatScanner or the intensive care equipment required by "high-tech brain tumor" surgery would necesitate its destruction.

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Sr Tertius says on Jun 25, 2005, 19:47:

Choked on military propaganda 1. Centros de Atención Médica: What a nice example of how the military uses vague language to exploit the fantasy-FARC we have in our heads. We imagine the FARC troops, with *their own* medical centers and doctors, and whatever else. What makes you think that these facilities are *their own*? My first-hand experience is that they actually use resources from municipal health centers in friendly areas, the same health centers that civilians in the area use. I don't know if the military has been targeting these centers for destruction (they do siege them during combat), but if they do, it would be a sickening thing to celebrate, regardless of how you feel about the FARC.

BTW, this wouldn't be first case when the health of civilians is compromised by military decisions. Medecins sans Frontieres has indicated that, for instance, "diagnostic tools and treatments for cutaneous leishmaniasis are heavily controlled because the disease, which primarily affects people in rural areas, is viewed as a marker for possible rebels or their supporters."

2."Collar Bomba": Another piece of military propaganda. Note that military spokesmen always accuse the FARC about anything, and quite loudly. Then, if it turns out that they were not responsible (as in the case of the "collar bomba"; it was common criminals), they make a very quiet retraction... so quiet, Colombiche, that you probably didn't hear about it:

http://www.fiscalia.gov.co/pag/divulga/Bol2001/diciemb/bol301.htm

This doesn't mean that the FARC does not commit atrocious crimes. They do. But so does EVERY party in the Colombian conflict. That doesn't excuse them or anyone, but it should motivate civilians to demand respect for human rights and rules of war. What is truly sad is that this is not happening.

Platano: your pacifist views strongly resonate with me. I don't take it as "idealism" (e.g., "impracticality by virtue of thinking of things in their ideal form rather than as they really are"). If someone suffers of such sort of idealism are those that swallow military reports without chewing them first.

"El que a hierro mata..."

"When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb)

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juancegomez says on Jul 5, 2005, 14:56:

Late, but just wanting to point out that I agree with Sir Tertius on point number 2 (there's too much remaining confusion over this in some sectors, sadly), but not on point number 1, mainly because there's little information available to know a)what kind of equipment was *exactly* found and in what conditions b)whether the equipment was directly acquired by the FARC in some other manner, or simply appropiated from surrounding health centers.

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