Ecuador to defend itself if no Colombia apology

DodgerDogs says on Mar 4, 2008, 19:42:

Do you think Colombia is scared ?

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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robi666 says on Mar 4, 2008, 19:45:

I noticed that too... it is like, we forgot that you raided inside our territory if you forget about what you found in the computer.
It seems fine to me.
Let's move on, RR is gone anyway.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Aaron21 says on Mar 4, 2008, 19:47:

This highlights Correa's stupidity. No "standoff" exists if only one side (Ecuador) is making a stance. Colombia already made a stance and is moving forward. Colombia does not care about Ecuador. Correa is as dim as Evo.

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 4, 2008, 19:48:

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 4, 2008, 19:52:

If somebody killed your wife or husband or kidnapped your child, would you cross a border
to get the killer ? Then say sorry for killing the scum sucker.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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robi666 says on Mar 4, 2008, 19:55:

I would let the paracos do the work, without any need to say sorry afterwards.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 19:59:

or mercinaries.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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robi666 says on Mar 4, 2008, 19:59:

Isn't it the same?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:00:

Texas rangers used to cross into Mexico all the time , and do you think they said
Lo Siento .

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:01:

or foreign mercinaries.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:03:

U.S. asserts right to 'kidnap' foreigners wanted for crimes
Claims bounty-hunting precedent not limited to 'extraordinary rendition' of terrorist suspects

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A British Court of Appeal in London was informed last month the U.S. asserts the right to kidnap citizens of the U.K. wanted for financial crimes and not just those suspected of terrorist activities.
The revelation was made during an extradition hearing for Stanley Tollman, who, with other family members, controls the Red Carnation hotel group, and who is wanted in the U.S. for bank fraud and tax evasion, reported the London Sunday Times.

U.S. authorities are investigating more than a dozen British executives who could face criminal charges in U.S. courts.

In July 2006, three British businessmen - Giles Darby, David Bermingham and Gary Mulgrew from the London firm Greenwich NatWest - were extradited to the U.S. on charges related to a fraudulent deal with Enron. The trio pleaded guilty to wire fraud last week.

The Tollmans have been fighting extradition in British courts.

During last month's hearing, Alun Jones, the attorney representing the U.S. government, was asked about the attempted abduction of Gavin, Tollman's nephew, during a visit to Canada in 2005.

At that time, Gavin Tollman, who had successfully fought extradition from the U.K., was detained by Canadian immigration officials. An American prosecutor tried to convince the Canadians to drive Tolman to the border and turn him over. A Canadian judge, however, ordered Tollman released and accused the U.S. Justice Department of setting a "sinister trap."

Jones told the Court of Appeals under U.S. law, it is acceptable to kidnap anyone anywhere in the world if the person is wanted for committing a crime in the U.S.

Under precedent that "goes back to bounty hunting days in the 1860s," anyone seized abroad by U.S. authorities cannot be freed by a U.S. court because the abduction was illegal, he said.

"That is United States law," Jones told the court.

The policy of "extraordinary rendition" of terror suspects has drawn fire from critics of the Bush administrations conduct in the war on terrorism, but the clarification of the U.S. position to the British court makes it clear the policy is viewed as covering a broad spectrum of offenses.

In 1990, the U.S. snatched Dr. Humberto Alvarez Machain from his medical office in Guadalajara, Mexico, for his suspected role in the 1985 kidnapping, torture and murder of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agent Enrique Camarena Salazar. Despite an extradition treaty with Mexico, DEA agents seized Machain and flew him to Texas for trial.

In 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the abduction legal and Maichan had no remedy against it.

"The United States does have a view about procuring people to its own shores which is not shared," Jones told the British court.


( Why can't Colombia do the same ? )

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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robi666 says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:04:

Didn't they do it with Granda in Venezuela?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:08:

looks like they did. hoooo rah!

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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juancegomez says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:23:

Defend, as in continue diplomatic actions against Colombia and other forms of pressure, isn't a surprise.

I don't believe this means he'll actually attack Colombia or anything...though, of course, the border personnel will be a different matter, if we try to do anything funny, which would mean war (a short one, hopefully).

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manINred says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:29:

Colombia must recognize fault in having illegally entered Ecuadorian land.

If they do so, they have the moral upper-hand, proported "terrorist-harbouring" by the Ecuadorians aside.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:34:

good points mir. i agree colombia must recognize fault. however, if the time arises again for another opportunity, they may have to recognize fault again ;)

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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billyb says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:52:

Colombia already apologized for that and the worm didn't accept that apology. What you like? For uribe to beg forgiveness on his knees? Ain't going to happen. And ecuador needs to explain those computer files if (or rather, when) they are proven genuine.

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manINred says on Mar 4, 2008, 20:57:

"Colombia's ambassador to the OAS, Camilo Ospina, denied there had been an incursion. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7278484.stm

From this article it does not sound like Colombia has taken any responsibillity. From a personal standpoint, I am outraged that Ecuador is not applauding Colombian forces for wiping out a terrorist threat on Ecuadorian soil, and that they are taking things out of hand, but I also understand that international borders cannot be militarily breached.

If in fact Colombia has apologized sincerely, well, I think the onus is on Ecuador and Venezuela to try and find peace with Colombia. As it stands, Venezuela and Ecuador are acting completely irrationally, and their actions are exageradas.

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Man Tequila says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:01:

Colombia should apologize for the invasion of sovereignity, this is one of the many reasons they have a legitimate beef with Chavez and one tries to avoid hypocrisy.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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goin_south says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:02:

are Venezuela y Ecuador 'posturing', to attract the attention of the USA? and possibly divert some of the usa attention from the other side of the globe? Iran, undoubtedly,... is involved, somehow in this scirmish, too.

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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scotty says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:17:

Colombia doesnt have to appolgize to anyone.
Im sure Colombia is really afraid of Ecuador..not!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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Man Tequila says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:27:

That's not really how international diplomacy works. If it does.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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jonas says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:49:

DD, scotty, Aaron: I am sure the people of W´s United States are proud of you and your comments. Sometimes I wonder why so few people in so few countries actually like US Americans.

Mi alma se la dejo al diablo

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goin_south says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:52:

Jonas... let it be known.... NONE OF US... lay claim to .... being kin of the dodger dog....
Now, if he actually takes me fishing in Colombia without getting kidnapped, or... if he were to actually buy me a dodger dog in Dodger Stadium... these things can change ;-)

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 4, 2008, 21:56:

G.S. ,
I would take you fishing , but the locals might use you for cut bait. Then I would have
to give some long winded excuses to the folks at the Embassy.
I will though buy some Chorrizo from one of the push carts that run up and down the barrio
streets.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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EVERETT says on Mar 4, 2008, 22:06:

I know that everyone is disgusted with G. W. Bush, but did he not say after 911 that if you are a nation that harbors terrorists, that you are indeed a terrorist nation? Has that not what Ecuador has been doing and that of lately Venezula? The world should have no condemnation for the actions of Colombia but for the terrorist states of Ecuador and Venezula. I'm glad to see that Colombia has "BALLS", could Colombia be the new Israel?

The Stars at Night are Big and Bright

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suizo says on Mar 5, 2008, 00:27:

Regardless of your opinion on US foreign policy...shouldn't we all (those who love Colombia) actually be glad that the US is supporting Colombia in this crisis? It is so obvious that Venezuela and Ecuador should be condemned by the international community (it's really not new that those countries are harboring terrorists!) and not Colombia. And once again, the european nations act like cowards...

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scotty says on Mar 5, 2008, 01:27:

jonas, first of all lots of people in lots of countries do like americans, i know this because i have traveled much of the world and have met many nice people who think america and americans are -A-OK . other peoples dont like us but sure do like our help. as for the few like yourself that dont like americans...we americans dont give a shit if you like us or no, we arent on this earth to gtry and please every fokin cry baby on the planet...got it!

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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scotty says on Mar 5, 2008, 01:32:

suizo is right, Venezuela has been bad mouthed not only by Ecuador and Venezuela, but now also chimming in on the verbal attacks against Colombia is Cuba and Brazil , i believe Argentina even had something negative to say.
Europe for the most part are the most cautious, timid countries around, you cant depend on them i think Italy has already condemned Colombia.
Colombia's best friend right now is the good ol USA. Bush says america will stand by Colombia and we will stand by Colombia.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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scotty says on Mar 5, 2008, 01:36:

MT, havent you been reading anything , Colombia did appologize ( I wouldnt have) but they did and Ecuador rejected their appology. look man they want war, they dont want appologies.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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lampltr says on Mar 5, 2008, 02:09:

Robi666; "I would let the paracos do the work, without any need to say sorry afterwards." AMEN!!

How can one apologize to a socialist country that supports gorillas and expect the apology to be accepted? This global shit is getting old...What will happen to US Citizens by 1 May if you do not possess a National Identity Card and desire to fly out of country....where is the BS Flag when you need one! desire to change identity & get lost in a barrio!!!!

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chester says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:31:

Ecuador announced today that all exports of bananas and poor quality apperal will be immediately suspended.

Futures Markets and world stock indexes reacted nervously sending ass wipe stocks plumeting.

Also, in the port of Guayaquil, fat girls (you don't know fat girls until you've been to guayaquil) announce a boycott of services for all colombian and gringo mariners.

Coast Guard officials report an upsurge in search and rescue missions for despondent sailors throwing themselves overboard.

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:44:

DD - funny pic. i'm gonna have to copy that one and send it to a few folks back home...

chester - funny chit!

*ecuador seems like the last kid to get picked in dodgeball to me.......

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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billyb says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:46:

Ecuadoreans are the ones Pastusos make jokes about.

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Aaron21 says on Mar 5, 2008, 06:56:

Jonas, are you Correa?

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Man Tequila says on Mar 5, 2008, 07:08:

Scotty, I doubt Ecuador wants war, for the same reason Luxembourg is not going to invade the US.

If you read the apology, there was not a lot to it. Remember you were seven and you hit your sister, and Mom said apologize, and you said "I'm sorry that you are stupid and made me hit you."...

Still, Corrrea will back down. He does not have a resounding majority at home. And the laptops may contain embarrassing things.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 5, 2008, 07:45:

"Also, in the port of Guayaquil, fat girls (you don't know fat girls until you've been to guayaquil) announce a boycott of services for all colombian and gringo mariner"

Where does that leave me?

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SiV says on Mar 5, 2008, 11:19:

Against whom exactly is Correa going to defend himself?

I don't understand the fuss. There was no "invasion". Yes, Colombia made incursions on Ecuadorian territory, but it was only 1.5km inside a sparesly populated jungle border. The targets weren't Ecuadorian nationals, miltary or civilian, they were self-acknowledged belligerents, and Colombians (apart from the Mexican women). The Colombian forces then retired.

Correa is undermining any respect the international community have for him.

Stultórum númere infinitum est.

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dwr says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:17:

Some people you just can't change , so you get what we have here today. I don't like it anymore than you do.
Quote leader Sendero Luminoso

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juancegomez says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:31:

manINred : What Colombia officially accepts is that helicopters entered Ecuador to pick up Reyes and the PCs.

It claims that, however, the actual bombardment was carried out from our side of the border.

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goin_south says on Mar 5, 2008, 17:10:

What have the other South American leaders had to say about THE EVENT?
Argentina? Chile? Peru? Brazil?

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.”

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billyb says on Mar 5, 2008, 17:32:

Garcia (Peru) was against the incursion, but backs Colombia. Chile was reconsidering their initial stance against Colombia, pending verification of PC evidence of the ratas helping the FARC. Lula is backing the rats at the moment, but he's, for being the leader of such a big and powerful country, a virtual non-entity that usually prostrates himself before chavez. And Christina in Argentina is backing the rats, but what do you expect? chavez paid for her campaign.

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DodgerDogs says on Mar 5, 2008, 17:55:

Christinas is on Hugo Chavez welfare program. That is why Christina has and always will
side with Hugo and Correa.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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