DRUGS

chester says on Jan 30, 2007, 16:14:

What do I think? I think I'd like to bust a cap on every junkie and coke freak in the world. that's what I think. My friends in Colombia despise drugs, the users, the traffickers, everything about drugs.

I believe most sensible north americans know that the vast majority of Colombians are decent, hard working people.

I wish the poor farmers in the countryside had other options, this goes for the poor farmers in the countryside of Afghanistan growing poppies.

When you watch your children die for lack of money for medicine and maybe have threats from traffickers if you do not cooperate, becomimg involved in the trade is understandble.

I'm more down on the users than on the producers.

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scotty says on Jan 30, 2007, 16:50:

Its Unfortunate Every time I mention to a person here in the USA that I travel to Colombia I get a weird frown and some sort of negative comment about Colombia tieing it to drugs or crime.
I cant begin to tell you how many times I have had to explain to Americans what Colombia is really like and how excellent the people of Colombia are.
They have to be educated.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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southern151 says on Jan 30, 2007, 17:02:

I got the same... This is my first trip to Co. I had a guy at the airport ask me where I was going and when I told him, it looked like he smelled shit! Then, of course, came, "Why?" I told him it was vacation and he walked away, I'm sure, not believing me. The way I look at is, who f'n cares what they think! I have had a wonderful time here and am already planning my next trip. I figure that if some dumbass wants to frown on Colombia, that means that I won't have to see his stupid ass here while I am having the time of my life! His loss.

Yeah, there are drugs here and, the people that work in that trade. There are FAR MORE that do not! Only an idiot would think that the ENTIRE country is consumed by coke. BTW, I would rather see a coke addict than the meth addicts that are taking over the US. If up to me, it would all be done away with.

Colombia has now and always had a lot more to offer than drugs. The more that don't believe that means the less I have to see here and compete with while I'm here. LOL

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Azul says on Jan 30, 2007, 17:31:

Southern....aren't you in Colombia now? What are you doing on the internet?? LOL When I'm in Colombia you have to drag me kicking and screaming just to check my email for work.

las cosas caen por su propio peso

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tejasmarcos says on Jan 30, 2007, 18:53:

you guys have to watch the video "Plan Colombia. Cashing in on the Drug War Failure". it explains alot. just in case you want to know the truth about the "drug" problem.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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Swinn88 says on Jan 31, 2007, 08:46:

My friends ask me upon return from Colombia if I am a Mule. The truth is that it is not only U.S. Americans. Latin American Countries in General View Colombia in similar ways. My friends from Costa Rica tell me all the time how thjere is an influx of colombians in Costa rica bring there drugs and criminal ways to their country. I have heard the same from friends of mine from China. But remember, It takes one(1) rotten apple to spoil the bunch. Most peoples beliefs are the result of a a very small percentage of people making headlines.

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Peter Miami says on Jan 31, 2007, 11:45:

Ignorance There will always be ignorant people.

Peter Miami

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cali373 says on Jan 31, 2007, 12:11:

Perhaps we can all contribute a little to enlighten these ignorants.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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Azul says on Jan 31, 2007, 12:47:

Only time and continued positive change will enlighten people and change the general public's perception of Colombia.

las cosas caen por su propio peso

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 31, 2007, 14:24:

but with this kind of


but with this kind of publicity never..

the hoodie is for sale on Ebay.

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confusa says on Jan 31, 2007, 14:51:

that is for sale? its a shame how they think its funny to put narco subjects on clothes, but that doesnt mean that colombia is contributing and supporting narcos and its drugs....

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confusa says on Jan 31, 2007, 15:46:

true but is not only colombians that think so. unfortunatelly i seen more consumers in the states that outside of the states. i remember i was out clubbing in nyc. i went to get a drink and when i came back to my table there was two young girls hidding in the corner doing coca. i was very surprise because i never saw that in colombia or at another country and even though people said is more drugs there u dont really see people doing it in public like they do here. its sad but its true.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 31, 2007, 22:40:

You got that right, DG. Sometimes I wonder if there's anyone in Colombia who hasn't had some blow at one time or another. Other than Kat and Desi.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 1, 2007, 08:13:

Does diet coke counts :) UC Does diet coke counts? :)

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confusa says on Feb 1, 2007, 11:09:

DG IS RIGHT? yeah maybe is cheaper in colombia and easier to find,,, but since is so easy ppl dont even like it that much here in the states since is such a "tabu" then everybody wants to do it.... but yeah u right coca and marihuana may be is not that consumed anymore.. because now they looking for other drugs.. some hardcore. as heroin.

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manINred says on Feb 1, 2007, 11:14:

utopiacowboy I know countless people in Colombia who have NEVER done cocaine and who want absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 1, 2007, 21:39:

"I know countless people in Colombia who have NEVER done cocaine and who want absolutely NOTHING to do with it." I bet they did it maybe once at a party they went to with some Mafia princesses or a couple of times out with the boys. I'm not saying they're addicts but they've tried it once or twice.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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costajunkie says on Feb 2, 2007, 00:47:

Many Colombians have no clue... ... about their infamous exports except how trafficking is done. Perhaps it's the company I keep (my wife's family is filled with Colombian police, GAULA agents, and a DAS agent (retired, mi suegro). They know the people and gangs that traffic in it, and for the most part my family has been pretty righteous as far as any temptations toward bribes, etc (except for a boyfriend, a cop, and father to my cunada's son whom my wife and I now take care of... said boyfriend was executed outside a club in Ibague for some reason that had to do with narcotics trafficking).

Even with this family pedigree of law enforcement, I am surprised sometime at their naivete about things that are taken for granted in the US. Once in Cali, staying in a hotel, most of the family came to visit my wife and me. As we left, the corridor was rank with the smell of mota, curling out from under the door of room of some Germans. I jokingly asked if anyone wanted to make a bust. NOT ONE OF THEM KNEW WHAT THE SMELL WAS!!! (They thought it was some strange incense.) Their reasoning: very few colombianos use; they spend their time and energy going after the traffickers.

Even outside my family circle, I have never known anyone who has used, but then maybe this is just my personal experience and the company I keep.

Final thoughts: The US war on drugs is a complete failure. Users will use no matter the consequences. Legalize marijuana, tax it like tobacco, and at the very least decriminalize all other drugs. Register users of "harder" drugs, supply them with what they need, and soon the profit motive for trafficking will disappear. Maybe then Colombia and other countries will see these viscious gangs castrated and fade, and then perhaps colombianos will know some semblance of peace at last.

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Man Tequila says on Feb 2, 2007, 01:17:

If I talk to an average Canadian about Colombia, they will make a lame joke about cocaine. Many of them won't believe you if you say that much of the country is reasonably safe, that Colombia has changed a great deal over the last ten years, or that most Colombians don't have much to do with drugs. But I also met plenty of Colombians who smoked weed or enjoyed bazuco or blow.

I found you could get a rise out of almost any Colombian by discussing their reputation in the world. Can't say I blame them for being upset -- the world press forgot to discuss positive developments in Colombia and its turnaround.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 2, 2007, 08:58:

One fine day mister rabbit

One fine day mister rabbit goes running around the forest. He sees a giraffe rolling a joint.

"Giraffe, giraffe! why do you do drugs? come run with me instead"

So the giraffe stops rolling his joint and runs with the rabbit.

Then they come across an elephant doing lines. Says the rabbit:

"Elephant elephant. why do you do drugs? Come run with us instead."

So the elephant stops and goes running with the two.

Then they come across the a lion preparing a syringe.

"Lion, lion!" cries the rabbit, "why do you do drugs? Come run with us instead."

The lion with a mighty roar bashes the rabbit to smithereens.

"No!" the giraffe and the elephant cry "why did you do that? All he was trying to do was to help you out!"

"Damn rabbit always makes me run around the fucking forest when he's on speed!" the lion replies.

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Crazy4Cali says on Feb 2, 2007, 11:17:

RE: My friends from Costa Rica tell me... Yeah, the ticos like to blame everyone else for their problems. It's the Colombians! It's the Nicas! It's the Gringos...

Yeah, right. Claro, los Ticos son santos!

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Colombiche says on Feb 2, 2007, 16:12:

Actually I must say that most of my cousins and friends in Colombia have never, ever tried cocaine. ACtually, I only have one cousin who used to snort and he straightened out lately. I have been visiting colombia almost every year since I am a teenager, I clubbed a lot down there, and have lots of friends. Sure blow is easy to find and cheap, but most people are not snorting it.

Many of my cousins haven't even smoked up. They are as zanahoria as zanahoria can get. I don't know where UC gets his assumption that most colombians have tried blow.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Lisa Zee says on Feb 2, 2007, 18:47:

I will tell you Colombiche The UC, likes to talk shit. I have a huge family and nobody does drugs. If you hang with low lives, and in bad areas, then you will get lots of putas and drugies. I think Dong Gringo should run for president of Colombia, since he thinks he know so much! Just because some Gringos visit Colombia for few months and hang with a bunch of loosers, and street people they think they are experts in Colombian culture. Even if you live there for few years, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS A DICCENT FAMILY, WITH GOOD MORALS AND TRADITIONS.

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Monpirri says on Feb 2, 2007, 18:59:

DonGringo, Marihuana Tax Stamp I'll bet you did not know this, but take a seat and read it.
On October 1, 1937, the United States Congress passed the Marihuana Tax Act. Rather than an outright law against marijuana. The Tax Act merely prohibited the transfer of marijuana without purchase of a transfer tax stamp.
Each time the drug changed hands, the possessor was required to pay a $100 per ounce tax. Failure to do so was a federal offense.

American Journal of Nursing, 1936

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Feb 2, 2007, 19:24:

It is time to stop picking on Colombia and Colombians Let's find another country or another toy to play with it.
I have seen too much of this ALSO in the movies and Colombia is always portrayed as the bad sheep!
Let's learn a little bit before about DRUGS before we continue to antagonize Colombia.

The Drink of Kings and Popes
Extracts of cocoa leaves were marketed in Europe and the United States in the form of wines, chewing gum, teas, elixirs, and lozenges. The most popular was Vin Tonique Mariani a la Coca du Perou. Mariani wine was a red Bordeaux combined with an extract of coca leaves. It was produced in Paris and dispensed by a physician’s prescription for almost any complaint whatsoever. Before long, Mariani was the most popular prescribed remedy in the world, praised by kings, queens, and people of renown from Thomas A. Edison to Ulysses S. Grant, who depended on it for the energy to write his memoirs. Pope Leo XIII was so impressed by the wine, he had a special Vatican medal issued in its praise.

In 1884, purified cocaine became commercially available in the United States. The following year, the Parke-Davis Company marketed coca cigarettes, cocaine for injection and cocaine for sniffing.

America Journal of Nursing, 1936

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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morphus says on Feb 3, 2007, 04:42:

Except for Cartagena, the drugs in Colombia are low quality.

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panthdave says on Feb 3, 2007, 04:54:

Enough with one one Chao panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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Colombiche says on Feb 3, 2007, 09:04:

.. Well, I had anything but a sheltered upbringing. I know all kinds of people. Granted, there are people who do drugs in Colombia, I knew a bunch of hardcore rockers that would throw midnight outdoor parties and smoke weed and do a few lines, but these guys were basically the lowriders that no girl in Manizales would have brought home to mama. Af or sythetic drugs, even these guys had no clue what LSD was, meanwhile I knew some kids in Toronto that were stuffing their faces with sheets of 20 hits at a time.

In today's medellin electronic scene, you do find sythetic drugs like ecstasy and speed. It's mostly the under-20, estrato 6 electronica fiends that do them - pop a hit and dance the night away.... just like at the raves in Ibiza, Canada, US, the UK...

Most of my colombian friends at the time, the average mainstream kids would drink aguardiente, and the majority of them never even tried weed.

To say that almost every colombian has tried coke is a silly irresponsible sweeping statement, especially coming from somebody who probably doesn't even have first hand anecdotal evidence to back this up... How familiar with the under-30 colombian night scene are you UC?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 3, 2007, 10:03:

This is hilarious. Lisa Zee and Colombiche, maybe you should meet my sister-in-law who believes that Colombian women are still traditional and virtuous and that the members of good familes are never involved with anything "immoral". Geez, you're living under a rock.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Colombiche says on Feb 3, 2007, 10:18:

Under a rock? If you recall my response to your thread about your wife's sister, I was the one that went on about how teenagers are wild and there is no longer such a thing as virtue, no parent ever REALLY knows what their kids are doing. That was my stance.

In my years of life I have done and seen things that most people twice my age haven't done. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
I have been clubbing in colombia since the age of 14. In my stupid days I even hung out with less that desirable people.

What I am saying is while some people consume coke in colombia it is not the norm (as you claim) and MOST mainstream colombians are not putting that s&&& up their nose, just like most mainstream Americans and Canadians aren't either.

I think you are the one who has been living under a rock UC, you only repeat your wife's anecdotes, you are limited to experiencing colombia through the point of view of ONE person, yet you come to a public forum and claim that the majority of colombia's 44 million inhabitants snort cocaine. That is what I call typing without thinking.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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oldbongo says on Feb 3, 2007, 10:37:

morphus... you must be talking about la mona that comes down from santa marta,
but, even this, is not even close to what it used to be.
after watching generations pass, oldbongos' opinion on this, is that
many fewer colombians are familiar with casual consumption than in the past, when it seemed that everyone consumed mothers milk. this is long before the "war on drugs" was conceived. the politicos an la prensa have done their job of conditioning the public into submission, with the eternal exception of the rebels.
and there are plenty.

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Colombiche says on Feb 3, 2007, 10:39:

Don Gringo Apples and oranges. Two very different things - smoking weed and snorting cocaine - a streetsmart guy like you should know that most tokers never make the transition to snorters. college kids all over the world smoke blunts and colombia is not exception. Come on, didn't you ever roll a dime back in the days?

I never claimed colombians don't do drugs, I am just claiming that it is not the majority of the population.

Would you support UC's claim that MOST colombians snort or have snorted cocaine?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Simon says on Feb 3, 2007, 10:42:

"I wonder if there's anyone in Colombia who hasn't had some blow at one time or another."


I think your wife had too much blow when she dediced to marry you, you colombian-hating malparido!

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Simon says on Feb 3, 2007, 10:45:

"college kids all over the world smoke blunts and colombia is not exception."

Wasn't there even a US president who claimed to have smoked but never inhaled?

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Simon says on Feb 3, 2007, 10:54:

"Can't say I blame them for being upset -- the world press forgot to discuss positive developments in Colombia and its turnaround"


Man Tequila,


Actually, there have been many positive articles in the last few years about Colombia in many prominent newspapers around the world.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Colombiche says on Feb 3, 2007, 10:57:

DonGringo I think the fact that you are a gringo might be contributing to you being offered blow so often. Maybe they think that there must be some ulterior motive why a white American guy with no attachment to the country is actually living there and they figure you got the money to blow on blow, pardon the pun. ;)

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Monpirri says on Feb 3, 2007, 11:20:

There are two two types of "gringos" or Americans as I call them, the ones I currently know in the states, they are my friends.
Soon I will post a topic about the two different types and I will elaborate why are they different?

Have a nice day

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Simon says on Feb 3, 2007, 11:27:

And Don Gringo, please don't even try to compare the overwhelming poor image that americans have of colombians as opposed to the mostly positive image colombians have of the US.

When most colombians think about the USA, they think about the Statue of Liberty, NASA, Disney World, all those cool Hollywood movies, skyscrapers, baseball, rock and roll, endless opportunities, etc.

When most americans think about Colombia, what comes to their mind is drugs and violence, period. They don't think about the fauna and flora, the beautiful scenery, the friendly people, the strong democratic tradition, the literature, the great music, etc. That's pretty sad.

"Tu vas a ver, llegaras a mi edad y veras que Colombia seguira igual"-----Simon Sr.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 3, 2007, 11:52:

Upper class, lower class Just going to chime in here to say that anyone who thinks that "upper class" Colombians don't snort blow has never gone to the bathroom at about any club in the Zona Rosa on a Saturday night. I can't believe how many times I've walked in on a party in full swing with coke lined up to kingdom come. And those are definately NOT the poor people of Colombia.

My own opinion is that most people believe that the majority acts as they themselves do. People who have never done drugs believe NOBODY does drugs, except for, of course, those "low class" people. And people who have done or continue to do drugs somehow manage to spot it everywhere.

Whatever, it's not worth a big debate.

I agree with the original poster's point that it's tiresome that Colombia is forever equated with the cocaine industry and, more accurately, the violence associated with it.

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 3, 2007, 14:40:

Geez, do you think my wife is the only Colombian I talk to? You're right, all my communications with other members of her family and friends are funneled through her. Also, I am not suggesting that most Colombians are regular or even sometime users of cocaine. I am just suggesting that the majority have tried it. Hell, I tried it once and I thought it was a drug for idiots.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 3, 2007, 14:43:

Regarding Tinto's question, they made out quite well reselling the sports equipment and athletic shoes that they bought here. In fact they'd like to somehow ship more of this stuff in to Colombia for resale. I told them that this is a completely different game than a tourist carting a couple of suitcases back.

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southern151 says on Feb 3, 2007, 15:30:

Colombiamike... Did you read the original post and the first few that followed? If your response is to the original post, it is completely unwarranted! There are a lot of people, myself included, that do not go there to flash a little money and act like a bigshot. I went and had the time of my life seeing everything that Medillin and the surrounding areas had to offer. The cultural aspects of Colombia is my and many other's reason for going.

I think that you have read this wrong.

As for bashing our troops...You can KISS MY ASS! I have friends that have and still are serving there. Speaking of the US in such a way is not only offensive, it is unneccessary. I do not agree with our presence there but fully support those who are there. They are there because they were told to go. If you want to bash the US, go ahead but leave our service men and women out of it. That is not cool.

I know that you will see people here repeatedly talk from their ass. Let it go. If you really know your stuff, you will find a lot of what people say here humorous! LOL All that I ask is that you leave our troops out of your rants.

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Colombiche says on Feb 3, 2007, 15:57:

As for bashing our As for bashing our troops...You can KISS MY ASS! I have friends that have and still are serving there. Speaking of the US in such a way is not only offensive, it is unneccessary

Oh yes, talking badly about the US is forbidded, on the other hand, let's trash every other country, let's make ridiculous unsupported statements about all those darn banana republics and their inhabitants. How about noone ruffle anybody else's feathers to begin with?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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southern151 says on Feb 3, 2007, 16:11:

Thanks for... for the clarification. I don't feel strongly about many things but that is one that I can't avoid. I am DAMN sure no fan of Bush. It is a vendetta for him, I agree. Sorry and thanks.

Colombiche...

You'll never hear me bash on any place. It's not for me to judge. Each place in the world has great virtues and problems so, who am I to try to point them all out. As for Colombia, I loved it there! I can't wait to go back. I agree with you also...Live and let live.

Gotta go to work. Good night all.

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costajunkie says on Feb 3, 2007, 17:29:

From drugs to the Iraq War... perhaps meandering away (as is typical on this board) from the original post, but really these two topics have more in common than one would believe.

The Iraq War: a bullsh*t war if there ever was one, with all due respect to our fine soldiers serving in W's mess. I am somewhat of a "hawk" and a former military officer, but there was never a reason to invade this place. From the first days after 9/11, Bush was itching for a pretext to invade. The initial reason being a bogus al-Queda connection with Hussein, the only al-Queda group in Iraq was the Kurdish Ansar al Salam (sp?), of which Hussein had little or no connections or patronage. Later when world attention was fixed on Iraq because of W and his cronies itch to invade, it turned to the subject of WMDs (and we know what came of this). And instead of allowing Hans Blix and the world the time to investigate this possibility, we invaded nevertheless. "Shock and Awe" works fine when you're fighting an army that was a shell of what it once was, but when the battle is won, you need the boots on the ground to maintain order - not to mention completely disassembling the Iraqi army which would have been the key to maintain order after the government fell... and I can go on...

The war on drugs: billions of $$$ and countless manhours are spent in this endeavour... but what has it achieved? Nothing!!! Drugs still make their way here and are plentiful from Bar Harbor to Des Moines to San Francisco. Another bullsh*t war...

When are we going to read the writing on the wall, and begin to take a closer look at other options?

Legalize marijuana! We allow tobacco and alcohol to be sold, but this drug, which is certainly the lesser of these "evils". What hypocracy! Once again, users will use despite the consequences. The harder drugs? Why not take a more progressive approach, for example decriminalizing these drugs, perhaps diverting money from interdiction to counseling... and maybe at the very least registering users and supplying them with what they need to "maintain", at a price equal to what these drugs would really cost (as opposed to the street price). Instead we proscribe everything, throwing people in jail for using and stealing or worse to maintain their habits, spending more and more money, clogging our already overburdened courts and jails.

And last but not least... let's not forget the violence visited upon the people from where these drugs come from. Let's face it: North America's and Europe's drug habits fuel the violence in countries such as Colombia and Mexico as long as the profit motive is there, and it will continue without end until our elected leaders get a clue.

My apologies... I will step down from my soapbox now.

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GringoinBucaramanga says on Feb 3, 2007, 18:50:

I love it! I hope all Americans stay away.
That will ensure my 3 hot chicas a night for ever.
When someone back in the states ask, is it safe there.
I say ,No never come here or you will be killed/
(hee hee)

jj_jp@msn.com

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Swinn88 says on Feb 4, 2007, 08:40:

Re The Marijauna Tax Stamp. To get the stamp you had to have marijuana in Hand. If you had the marijauna in hand it meant you gained it illegally. You were then prosecuted. This was one of many attempts to curb Marijauna use.

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panthdave says on Feb 4, 2007, 09:15:

Blame Media for the Image on Colombia...... Yes, it is still a major Cocaine production country but cocaine use in the States is going down slowly so we are doing are part here in the States trying to educate the young the dangers of this stupid drug. I have noticed Uribe is doing his part too breaking up major rings working together with the United States. The old saying was that it was the United States Craving and Demand but that is going down now. The spraying has caught controversy with Ecuador but Uribe ignore your doing a great job. I have been Medellin many times and now have an apartment and I feel that I am safer than Miami. Viva the Police and Uribe for keeping security up in Medellin. Now I really educated myself by going back and forth to Medellin and is much different than what the Media says back in the States except well Miami they have many Spanish feeds of Colombian News which I watch now. I feel now Europe has more of a demand of Cocaine then the States do now..I have fallen love with Colombia but need to learn much more about Colombia. All I have seen is a postive image and I am happy when I am down there. People of great respect for other people and families stick together..Anyways back to Drugs I think Colombia and the States are heading in right direction doesn't seem so to many back go back to the 80's and 90s when Miami and everybody who had a nose was snorting driving a demand for this drug to be produced. Yes you still have the casual users in Colombia and the States. My opinion horrible drug not my taste..What a hangover the stuff gives you after not sleeping and drinking triple the amount you should..

Viva Colombia
Viva Medellin


panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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southern151 says on Feb 4, 2007, 12:11:

Cocaine use... has certainly taken a nose dive(LOL!) in the US in the last 7 to 10 years. I once knew a lot of people that enjoyed coc but their desire for it dwindled with the rising popularity of Meth. It is really sad to see what these substances have done to people. It hit VERY close to home for me. The person I speak of was successful in business, had a nice home that was nearly paid off and had the respect of the entire community. Now, this person has nothing of that left. All of it is gone. Why?...A stupid couple of powders ruined his life. It was more than enough to keep me away from it and hopefully others that know him.

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Lisa Zee says on Feb 4, 2007, 19:59:

Sorry DG Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, but I spend all weekend, doing drugs, and also I must have been with powder up my nose, when I said, that "gringos use drugs all the time", that would include my son, my ex, and the one I love. Man this drugs really FK U Up.!!!!!
I have 5 brothers, one sister, 18 nieces and nephews, 15 out of them are: medical doctors, engineers, lawyers, architects, sociologist, and so are my brothers. I guess they all went to the university, high, and stoned. Not to mention my ABUELITAS, PRIMOS, boy!!! we are all 100% Colombians so we are all druggies. AND PROUD OF IT!!!!
"DIME CON QUIEN ANDAS Y TE DIRE QUIEN ERES"

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Swinn88 says on Feb 4, 2007, 20:33:

i know some Doctors, Lawyers, Etc that get high and most peoplem will never know it.

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goin_south says on Feb 4, 2007, 20:39:

Come on guys, ladies... Drug abuse pervades every socio-economic level of society, and I have to think, just about every country.

It is such a waste of time forever arguing here, about 'who does' and 'who doesn't' and 'who's to blame', user or supplier.

dos pesos mios,... es poquito de nada

Where do we go from here?

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Lisa Zee says on Feb 4, 2007, 20:47:

Swinn88 Yeah you know some I am sure. Hope there are not operating on you.
"DIME CON QUIEN ANDAS Y TE DIRE QUIEN ERES"

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 4, 2007, 21:54:

So they all went to university. And that means that they've never tried blow? I know plenty of "medical doctors, engineers, lawyers, architects, sociologist" who've taken a hit or two in their time.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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goin_south says on Feb 4, 2007, 22:35:

did someone here (ever) say....'cocaine was bad'? I don't ever think I have read that. All I have ever read here was the bickering about who was to blame. The users or producers/providers. One country vs. the other. F*ck. All this talk. I only have been there three times. But, no one has approached me to buy the stuff (man! I'm jus a little pissed about that!!) Even before my third trip last September, reminded my lady that....'hey, I would like to....P.A.R.T.Y.!!!! A LITTLE BIT.... like could you, uh... ???? get some of that? for us??'

But, she seems very far removed from it all. And, to my good fortune, she has 'the drug' to beat ALL DRUGS! jajajaaa! I am a fortunate man!

dos pesos mios,... es poquito de nada

Where do we go from here?

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billyb says on Feb 4, 2007, 22:50:

Regardless of the price and availability of blow... in Colombia, it is way more acceptable socially in the US than in Colombia. BTW, DG, I think Colombiche mightbe right, they may offering it to you because they think you have money, or maybe because they feel they can be more open with you about doing drugs, than they would be with other Colombians outside their little confort circle, or it could be good old fashioned Colombian hospitality.

BillyB

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panthdave says on Feb 5, 2007, 02:56:

Rubito Colombian Drug Law Rubito is that in the Colombian statues up to one gram of cocaine is legal or the police just tolerate it like in the states you get caught with a joint in a few states which is still a misdeamanor but the police just say nothing because they tolerate the usage because I thought the first country to legalize personal usage of cocaine up to a certain amount was Mexico and that did not pass. Not talking about Coca Leaves talking about processed cocaine. Amsterdam Cocaine is illegal but many officers tolerate the personal usage. I was saying drugs are drugs but cocaine usage has dropped causing a lower demand well you know I can't say because I am out of the party circle in Miami so going to shut up who knows. All I know I am older and really enjoy four drugs alcohol,sex,caffeine and want to stop nicotine which are all legal I am lucky. The rest I can do with out and don't even enjoy.. Medellin have not been offered once and I have been going in the party scene there.. You know what only seen a few times when my girlfriend took a shortcut driving me on her Moto into Centro I seen the Herion Addicts lying in the street. I am not been offered drugs in Miami no more either maybe its the social circle I decide to be around. Drugs effect every society in the world event even the Eskimos in Alaska which I think they drink only but I don't know

Enough Chao



panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 5, 2007, 08:51:

I have seen people in Colombia smoking pot but never seen snorting coke, I think they know that drug is more powerful and dangerous. and they see how many people is been destroy for this drug, they don't have to see further than the calle del cartucho, and most Colombia have pride in their family, education and apperance. and "Y el que diran" so they don't want to end up there.

for UC's record, None of my family have taking drugs either yet they love alcohol and I think this is enough for them. I think marihuana is one most of the drugs users in Colombia take.

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Lisa Zee says on Feb 5, 2007, 09:36:

My family I am not saying their are saints, they love AGUARDIENTE, but they are responsible, they are hard workers, the kids are all going to school, and some graduated, and some got married to professionals also. They go to their FINCAS on the weekends, and drink, play music, some play guitar, swim, ride horses, all in all good fun, some travel 'all over the world', but would not even consider living anywhere else than Medellin. They are very happy, well adjusted.
I personally do not think that if you go to a party and once in a great while, have a hit or some blow, it makes you a bad person. It is just that nobody in my family has shown any interest in that kind of stuff, they don`t even smoke cigarettes. And,I can not even even have one drink, not even caffeine! I am very sensitive to anything, I eat very, extremely healthy!)
DIME CON QUIEN ANDAS Y TE DIRE QUIEN ERES

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confusa says on Feb 5, 2007, 10:11:

DonGringo do u live in "la calle del cartucho", "siloe" or anything bad in medellin?

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Lisa Zee says on Feb 5, 2007, 10:17:

Yes, tell me when But how long is one hour class?? 3 hours? like your posts? yes, we will have few drinks, like mint tea, or chamomile? and can I bring my boyfriend?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 5, 2007, 10:19:

In Villavicencio or the Llanos in general there is a thing like A paste call CHIMU , I asked my Dad what was that and he said is like a concentrated tabaco, you take a little bit from this paste and put in under your top lip, and leave it there, I think it will dissolve, the effects are like marihuana I think, The llaneros when working in the field used to take lots of them to keep hunger at bay and not being tired, the indian used a lot and is very common in Villavicencio, you can buy the paste for about 2000 cop. you must not take a lot otherwise the effect would be very strong. it is legal and you can buy it anywere in Villavo, many old people take it too.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 5, 2007, 10:23:

DG are you MUTATING into Elmo? one if enough please.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Feb 5, 2007, 10:45:

I don't think Chimu is even classified as a drug.

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Lisa Zee says on Feb 5, 2007, 11:29:

DG I am VERY good at talking, writing is my worst. And how about I teach you Spanish?. (This tread is getting too long, we better take it elsewhere). And yeah how about you give us BURUNDANGA, and we all have a 3 way!.... conversation that is. Ja,Ja,Ja.

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Lisa Zee says on Feb 5, 2007, 12:27:

Oh goody We have something in common!!! That is a start.

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