divorce for civil and catholic weddings

Plato says on Jan 2, 2007, 15:34:

What is this? An advertisement? *Sigh*

Well, on to Catholic annulments: these are done by canon lawyers at the Vatican.

A canon Lawyer is someone who has expertise in the ecclesiastical law of the Catholic Church. Hence they are specialized lawyers. They do not practice secular law as lawyers who study contracts, constitutional law, torts, civil procedure, etc., and secular lawyers certainly don’t study canon law – at least here in the United States. Seminary students in the States are sent to Rome for that kind of specialized study and one must be clergy or at least heavily involved in the Church.


So, a couple of things here:

(1) There are no “Catholic Courts�. Petitions for annulments are simply reviewed by canon lawyers at the Vatican.

(2) I never heard of secular lawyers filing for annulments with the Catholic Church. This is news to me. Perhaps it’s a booming industry in Colombia. Frankly, I don’t know. However, I wouldn’t place any stock in the credibility of these secular lawyers who advertise these services.

(3) I cannot deny that money has been the primary incentive for annulments. This is sad indeed and as a Catholic I’ll take the hit on this one. Nevertheless, an annulment presupposes that one of the spouses, and maybe both, didn’t intend the sacrament of marriage. You see, marriage is the only sacrament that a Catholic Christian couple bestow upon each other with the grace of God. A priest or deacon merely officiates the wedding, but don’t actually marry the couple. The couple marry each other.

If one person is forced into the sacrament of marriage, it’s invalid. It’s as if it never occurred so an annulment merely recognizes the fact. Costs are involved for the paper work, postage, and so forth, so donations are given. Some donations maybe large, say, from well known couples and annulments are easily recognized no matter if the couples have five kids and have been living together for quite some time. LOL! Another abuse in the Catholic Church! What can one do? Call the abusers out on the carpet, but most Catholics are ignorant about how to go about it. One thing for sure, secular lawyers must have found another way to make money by advertising services for Catholic annulments. They should stick to secular law because that’s what they are trained for.


Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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chester says on Jan 2, 2007, 17:57:

Fuck the Catholic Church goddam stoneage cocksuckers. worse than the islamist bastards. I got their 'grace of God'....a goddam 38 snubnose.

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Plato says on Jan 2, 2007, 20:14:

LOl! Got a rise out of you, huh? LOL?

I think the correct era is "medieval" - and I like going medieval. It's much more exciting than a 38 snubnose. Ha ha ha! Typical anti-Catholic basher.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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lawyer CO says on Jan 3, 2007, 14:16:

Plato is completly lost Within the introduction of the Constitution of 1991, the state accepts the Catholic Courts called in Spanish " Tribunal Eclesiastico". The only function is to apply the canonic law such as annulation of a catholic marriage.

The other thing, is that the catholic marriage has civil effects, such as the community of assets betweent the couple. On this case, civil law is the one that regulates the propery among the people and NOT THE CATHOLIC COURTS.

IN COLOMBIA, THE lawyers can obtain their canonic license when they do a special course in the Pontifician University here in Medellín or in the Javeriana University in bogota, This id allows them to practice in the catholic courts.

As a matter of fact, secular lawyers can work on both area and there is not legal restriction for the practice.

I really recommend you to know that COLOMBIA and AMERICA have 2 different legal systems and so many things that happen in US, do not work in Colombia

greetings

Esteban

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Plato says on Jan 3, 2007, 18:05:

Regarding Ambulance Chasers on the Internet: Esteban:

It’s interesting that Colombia’s Constitution of 1991 is so recent. When will the next Constitution be drafted???

In the United States we have a constitutional principle called “separation of church and state�, a common interpretation of the Establishment Clause in our First Amendment (1789), thus the whole notion of secular lawyers practicing canon law is completely foreign to me, not to mention extremely odd.

Don't you think there is a conflict of interest here? Exactly how much does a Catholic divorce cost? But, to each their own. I understand now since Colombia was colonized by Catholic Spain instead of Protestant England.

I suppose those canonical licenses provide secular lawyers in Colombia with an additional line of work. I suggest you continue to advertise freely on more chat forums if you plan to make a killing in this business.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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lawyer in colombia says on Jan 4, 2007, 21:42:

it is not a adv Well, you are right about the constitution, except that the last one was made 1886.It WAS EXTREMLY RELIGIUOS so today`s is very liberal.

My forum is not an adv, because the idea with Peter is to teach something about colombian laws and not leave many topics open to intepretation based on other legal systems.

It is true the line of separation between church and state but have you heard about the mandatory course of religion in school?

greetings

Esteban
lawyerscolombia at yahoo.com

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Plato says on Jan 5, 2007, 08:45:

No sir, I have not heard of the mandatory course of religion in school in Colombia.

Sir, it may interest you to know that our schools here in the USA take issue with reciting the pledge of allegience; "under God" is not politically correct. So, unless schools are part of a religious institution, anything concerning religion in public schools is looked down upon.

Moreover, in our paper currency, there is the inscription, "In God We Trust." Liberals have also taken issue with this since they believe the inscription is offensive to some people's sensibilities - like atheists. There are many more examples.

You say your current Constitution (1991) is liberal in comparison to the previous one. Let me ask you a question: Are you required to be Catholic in order to apply for, study, and earn the canon law license?

Regards,

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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