Dinner out

gringoloid says on Dec 27, 2007, 18:52:

oh boy, another tipping thread! the previous tipping thread, about 6 months ago, turned out to be one of the most vicious threads i've seen at pbh.

let me end this thing before it starts: the tip was probably includio and the staff is happy with that.

podborski says on Dec 27, 2007, 18:54:

me think nati is same old troll pretending be hot colombiana speaky bad english

Bam Bam says on Dec 27, 2007, 19:13:

in that case, shes the hottest old troll ever

rocinante says on Dec 27, 2007, 19:57:

What town, what hotel, what restaurant? Do tell.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Dec 27, 2007, 20:21:

Nati Dread -

Your first post in this thread: In three sentenes needing 5 verbs you missed 4 of them and you forgot to end a question with a question mark.

Your post just now: In three sentences needing 5 verbs you got all 5. And your punctuation was impeccable.

So your English has greatly improved in 45 minutes. At this rate of increase you might win a noble prize for English literature by the weekend.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

docwilliam says on Dec 27, 2007, 20:29:

Nati, Do people in the states really give 15%?

I thought 13% was the mark for good food y service.

By the way, I had a very good time at a place in Ibague. So much so, that the tip may have matched the bill. The waiter then walked us back to our Hotel. I never tipped like that in the US, but I had never had such good food, service y environment, all at the same time.

"There's no time to panic"

rocinante says on Dec 27, 2007, 20:36:

Thanks Nati for editing your original post of:

"Where you eat? If service so good, why you only tip 10 percent. If you an American, you should tip like an American at least 15 for good service.

Nati"

This is why Peter should kill the edit after 30 mins.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Dec 27, 2007, 20:38:

Doc people in the states tip 15%-20% and sometimes higher. Most restaurants in NYC ADD 18% or 20% for parties of 6 or more.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

docwilliam says on Dec 27, 2007, 20:46:

WOW!!!, I did not know this! I guess I better stop eating out of the dumpster. LOL

I had never been to NY, but WOW!

Also, it is possible that I had never been with a woman worthy of these good establishments. (My fault).

Thank you for the education rocinante.

"There's no time to panic"

rocinante says on Dec 27, 2007, 20:55:

Don't mention it Doc. Bartenders and waiters and Maitre'ds can make thousands a week. In the old days it used to be cash money almost tax free, but with stricter laws coming down on restaurant owners recently and credit cards in full force the staff needs to pay more in taxes. But in the larger cities these folks still make stellar money.

Just imagine a restaurant where the average twosome table rings up a tab of $130 bucks. The tip is $25 for the waiter. If he's got 15 tables of this 5 nights a week and tips the bus/bar staff 10% of tips he's got over $1,600.

A buddy of mine works in a flea bag gin mill in Jersey City. He takes home over $500 tax free cash just on Friday nights 6PM - 2AM.

If you are young and can get in at a good restaurant or bar/club in the larger city areas you can make an absolute killing.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

docwilliam says on Dec 27, 2007, 21:28:

Thanks, I did not know these things.

I am not exactly a high roller, so I have to ask...

What is a respectable tip, in Colombia?

"There's no time to panic"

Bam Bam says on Dec 27, 2007, 22:17:

docwilliam,

not your fault...there aren't many worth taking to those places.

Except Nati, of course.

ellbee2 says on Dec 28, 2007, 03:35:

Rocinate..as long as we are correcting people, they are called servers. Lest you forget the fairer sex.

Nati...your English is fine.

"You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going because you might not get there." Yogi Berra

Cerealkiller says on Dec 28, 2007, 03:52:

Tipping in Colombia is 10%. Every bill will read "servicio sugerido 10%" if you want to give more then great, if you dont want to tip then great too...When in Colombia I always tip 10%, not a cent less or more.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

Dan says on Dec 28, 2007, 04:05:

to me, it would make sense to do what the locals do... less likely to stand out.

God Bless America!

vicshere says on Dec 28, 2007, 04:17:

I normally ....if good service leave 2,000 ...if bad service 0%.....hell with 10%-15% too American

listo

jorgegdiaz says on Dec 28, 2007, 04:25:

Rocinante for NINJA GLAMMALIAN !!

Man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day.

docwilliam says on Dec 28, 2007, 05:39:

I believe I will be ready for this, now that I know whats going on. I would rather not stand out.

Buenos dias Nati, did you say $200.00 bottle of Vino? I think I will opt. for coffee y leave a $1.00 tip. lol
But thats just me.

"There's no time to panic"

dwmte7 says on Dec 28, 2007, 06:55:

just so happened that i went out the other day and treated myself to a filet, 4-5 shooters of mt gay ron and a few for the bar as well a drink for the chef. the bill was $43.00 u.s. and i gave the bartender $10.00. now i could give a shit what anyone thinks of how much or how little i tip. it is totally dependent on what's goin on between me, the mesera and the service that transpires. it may be zip and it may be generous. fuck any rules.

my filet was stupendous. when the bartender asked me how i wanted it cooked i told her if the chef needs to know how to cook filet, you got the wrong chef in the kitchen. i told her to leave it to him...it was perfect.

i'll never pay service on a receipt....primarily because, the servers never get it. it is just another way for the club/bar/restaurant owners in colombia to suck more plata from your pocket. i owned a bar/restaurant in llano grande and know whereof i speak. give the money to the server...if you want to. don't give it to the house.

dwmte

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 07:07:

Douglass - the added service saves a good deal of math but you are right - about 0 of that goes to the staff as they recieve an hourly wage - no more no less.

I prefer places that don't include it and then I hand it to the server - credit card tips most likely go to the house as well and not the waitstaff.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 07:11:

I only corrected her English becuase, between her and Podborski, she said "Sure I make some mistakes with my grammar but not many". Missing a verb is worse than having one in the wrong tense. Excluding 4 out of 5 verbs is a far cry from "not many mistakes". So I corrected her, no pues.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

static says on Dec 28, 2007, 07:41:

And we never did find out the name of that restaurant...

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 07:44:

Yeah I'm hungry, Lowell What town, what hotel, what restaurant? Do tell.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

juli says on Dec 28, 2007, 09:50:

Que guache pendejo.

Every country has their way of doing things. Don´t be so narrowminded. It´s real easy to pick on any cultural habit that is different than yours when you are a miserable or ngative person. No one says you have to tip. A real man accepts and adapts or even better embraces - especially when it is something as harmless as tipping. Thanks for the huge paragraph. (Just did, the Monkey wonders if you happen to be familiar with his parents?) I guess the monkey will now be paying me a visit?

CEO Fajardo´s Fan Club, Medellín, Colombia

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 10:33:

I'm with chorizo. Abrasive, but to the point.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

morphus says on Dec 28, 2007, 10:42:

When I buy a 3000 peso plate of bandeja paisa I never give a tip.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 10:50:

Yep, Juli.
Either you erase the last two sentences from your comment or I'll do it for you. You're entitled to your opinion just as him, but not to insulting his parents.
Cheers,
Desi
Representing the monkey)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

static says on Dec 28, 2007, 12:11:

Juli speaks for me.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 12:12:

So, you think it's ok to insult somebody's parents? That was a cheap shot, truly.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

static says on Dec 28, 2007, 12:34:

How about a disclaimer? Not everything that Juli has ever written or may write upon this website should be considered an endorsement. However, several things that she has written today I wholeheartedly agree with.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 12:39:

I thought that you (static) were referring to her (Juli) comment above (the one I edited).

Chorizo doesn't speak for me, in general, but I agree with a LOT of what he says in the above comment. Moreover, there was absolutely no call to insult his parents on the grounds of what he said. Unless there's more to the story that I don't know of.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

static says on Dec 28, 2007, 13:00:

I agree with you on the error of insulting ones parents. You mentioned it twice; yeah, we got the point. It appears that you have misplaced priorities.

The comments from chorizo in regards to the service industry were cruel, insensitive and uncalled for. After those narrowminded, xenophobic comments you get your undies in a bunch because someone insulted his parents? So, are these posts are the ones that you approve of?

"You people in these service jobs who think you deserve a tip and think yourselves useful. You're not. We can do everything you are doing for us. We don't even need you."

"This is a bollocks American practice because most Americans were brain washed to think tips is a way of life since they had that bell boy job, or waiter job, or some other services job, or god forbid rode a taxi. American Taxi drivers are the worst spoiled people."

"It's not our problem some countries have these shitty service jobs with less than minimum wages."


Cheap shot indeed.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 13:14:

I don't see what's your problem static. Chorizo is not insulting anybody particular, only pointing out how little we actually need these services rendered in service jobs. It has nothing to do with the people who work in these jobs, just the whole idea of paying somebody else for doing the job that you are perfectly able and capable of doing yourself. I believe all tips should be included inthe price for the service and that that tipping should be prohibited by law as a form of bribery.

I also know I'm not the only one having this point of view; here where I live there's very little tipping going on, perhaps just if the service rendered was out of ordinary or the person who performed it went way out of his /her way to get the job done. We don't tip taxi drivers or hairdressers or such at all. At the airports there are no porters; people just get a trolley and off you go with your stuff. I'm raised up thinking that you should do as much as you can yourself, without paying for it or without asking for help. So, there are several ways of thinking about this issue and maybe your way is NOT what the rest of the world think is the best.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

static says on Dec 28, 2007, 13:51:

I expect at least some empathy from a moderator. It's no secret the way the world works.

Those of us who have worked in the service industry don't like to be insulted.

Have you ever heard the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"?
The custom in the United States and Canada is to tip service employees.
You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it and nobody will force you to do it.
Don't want to tip? Fine, then don't. One is free to spend their money however they like.

It would be much better if employees in North America would be paid a fair wage and tipping was not necessary, but they are not, they won't be and none of us set up the system or can change it. It is what it is. Your actions will not change anything, so don't worry.

Besides, the Internal Revenue Service doesn't care what we think: they tax the waiters and bartenders on expected income from tips whether or not you patronize the place.

There are several ways of thinking about this issue and maybe your way is NOT the best.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 14:05:

Empathy? I've not been accused for the lack of it before, but I guess we all have our faults. I've worked in service jobs while and in between (waitress, cleaning, receptionist) studies and real jobs and I didn't feel insulted by chorizo's post. A little abrasive, perhaps, but not directed at anybody particular. I didn't make any value judgement on different lifestyles, just that you shouldn't take it for granted that everybody should share your values and priorities in lifestyle issues.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

static says on Dec 28, 2007, 14:20:

"I didn't make any value judgment on different lifestyles, just that YOU shouldn't take it for granted that everybody should share YOUR values and priorities in lifestyle issues."

What? Where did I state that I thought that others should share my values or priorities?

ronaldo says on Dec 28, 2007, 14:21:

TIP............TIP......................What tip?
I always thought tipping was crazy and people only did it because they were intimidated to do so. Tipping originated with the very wealthy in europe so a man could impress his ladyship so he could get his way with her. So tell me, what was the last time any of you tipped your gas attendant when he froze his but putting gas into your car? Never you say, I thought so.So why does a guy or gal who performes that service get nothing and someone who brings your meal in a nice heated or cooled environment deserve a big tip?

Ronaldo

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 14:23:

Where did I say that everybody should do ditto with my values and priorities? You're censure is uncalled for. Juli, chorizo, you, me are all entitled to our own opinions and I saw no personal insult in chorizo's post so there's no need to make an issue out of this.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 14:29:

It sounds to me like Chorizo is a little short of cash and a bit bitter about it. Surprising, with all those high paying jobs where he comes from. BTW, methinks Desi is backing Chorizo because his post starts out bashing the US, and that always warms her heart.

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 14:54:

",i am a millionair "

Wow, I'm really impressed now (another internet Bill Gates, as Clavo would call him). Maybe with some of that money you could take some english classes and learn how to spell "millionaire". Maybe we can set up a forum on PBH where only "millionairs" like Salchicha and his equally rich, and hopefully better educated, son can post.

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:06:

And are we supposed to be impressed by this ridiculous and inmature display? jajaja, you sound like a pimply little teenager, not a grown up "millionair" with a "millionair" son, too funny.

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:08:

Dude, why would I even want to discuss money with an unknown insect on the internet? I leave that to insecure little gnats like you.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:10:

Ok. am I lacking in empathy for letting this charade to go on?
perhaps...but it is entertaining!

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:11:

Yes it is. Please let go on a little longer, I am being very entertained, on an otherwise boring day at work.

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:14:

See, now I am really, really impressed. Is there a way I can become your friend?

static says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:19:

Time for our Moderator to re-read the rules:

"We also don't allow attacks on groups of people (women, men, americans, colombians, ...). You can talk about groups of people, that's fine, just don't attack them."

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:25:

I'm demoting this thread in just a sec.....but you have to admit that this interchange between chorizo and billyb has been entertaining....and I still fail to see why I should actually moderate it because they're both being just as silly. Chorizo taking pictures of his money and Billyb baiting him...

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

eywed says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:49:

Nice Desideria, You allow the rules to be broken for your entertainment. I guess we all need to keep that in mind. Note to Self " when breaking the rules be entertaining" .

Ay Hombe!!!!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 15:56:

No. eywed, I don't see any rules being broken. The guys are just being silly.
There are more rules being broken in every and each of Elmo's threads than here. The one out of line was Juli but she knew it too...the rest is just just fooling around.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:10:

Chorizo and billyb? Guys, both. Eyewed, a guy. Static? A guy. Who else? I'm the only female here.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

MitchAlvarez says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:25:

uy aqui si hay mucho loco ome. lol

you guys are hilarious. i was overseas so i couldnt get online much. but real quick.

10% tip? wow... que berraco mas amarado

i think its so funny how people automatically make the math when they pay for items in colombia in pesos. they are priced this way because people in colombia dont make as much. el que gana en pesos paga en pesos.

listo feliz año a todos.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escasez de aguardiente. :)

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:26:

LOL chorizo...you talk like a guy, I'm sorry , my mistake

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

eywed says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:29:

Wow Desideria , Delete yourself for that one , she told you she was a female so you insult her " you talk like a guy" was the nessary?

Ay Hombe!!!!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:31:

Eywed, you do me a favor and go delete yourself.....how's that?

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:33:

Nice editing.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

eywed says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:41:

Not what I expected from you maam.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

john_stark says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:47:

Came late to the thread, dude. Can you lend me a few bucks?

gringoloid says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:49:

I knew it, and I said it right in the beginning; these tipping threads bring out the worst in the forum. why is that?

gringoloid says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:50:

you have to forgive billyb, he's off from work and has been watching too much TV!

gringoloid says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:51:

I've spent quite sometime here and I've never seen Desi in attack mode.

eywed says on Dec 28, 2007, 16:57:

What did I do , What did I do?

Ay Hombe!!!!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 28, 2007, 17:07:

Billyb's been on my case since early afternoon I guess he just has too much time on his hands.
Eywed, never had a problem with before.
Static, been critizicing my soft touch at mod panel; perhaps I ought to cancel his account to make him convinced that I'm not too wimpy??? ( :))
Chorizo ...???
Gringoloid, good to see you back.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

fecherklyn says on Dec 28, 2007, 17:43:

Whow, 82 posts till now. Sorry, I can't be bothered to read through to the end....did anyone find out where this restaurant was?

Lowell says on Dec 28, 2007, 17:53:

Wow, I make a simple litttle post and lookie what we have here. The town is Catrago and the hotel is Mariscal/Hoteles Cartago. I think it's great that Chorizo has a bunch of bucks. Persons with bucks do'nt have to worry about spelling. She has the luxury of doing what she wants when she wants. Yep, tiping is an ingrained thing. Not limited to foreigners. I've seen many a Colombian leave tips too.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

byoung says on Dec 28, 2007, 18:37:

desideria,dont worry ,your doing a fine job,if billyb is out of work ,may be we should send him a few bucks ,whats he worrying about tipping,to tip ,first you have to buy the meal ,so it must be big macs all round billyb.

gringoloid says on Dec 28, 2007, 19:19:

nati17, when you say, 'find a good woman', can you give us some tips on what makes a good woman? also, are you a pitcher or a catcher?

eywed says on Dec 28, 2007, 19:36:

Who's angry?

Ay Hombe!!!!!

eywed says on Dec 28, 2007, 19:38:

Sorry the post did get hijacked but what post dont on here.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 19:55:

Insulting a custom and the people who work very hard for less than minimum wage is not a personal attack, just ignorant. I don't tip much in Colombia, if at all, because it is not the custom here. However I don't rant about the fact that there is no tipping here and belittle the way of a group because I disagree.

But I agree with Chorizo - I don't need a waiter, I can get the food myself, I can clean the table myself and cook the food myself. Actually the whole idea of being served in a restaurant is just plain old silly. I think I'll just stay home and have my servant who makes COP$7.000 a day cook for me and serve me. I'll even throw in an extra thousand pesos - but it's not a tip - just a salary increase.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 19:56:

Nat is a troll who can't decide on which language defect to use.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 20:05:

Oh my god there's a picture of money! This is hysterical. I bet rich CEOs and investment bankers take fotos of cash and post them on the web bragging about paying taxes all the time. What a hoot. Maybe we can all pool our money and buy some class for Chorizo on Ebay.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

Bam Bam says on Dec 28, 2007, 20:46:

---- TIP............TIP......................What tip?
I always thought tipping was crazy and people only did it because they were intimidated to do so. Tipping originated with the very wealthy in europe so a man could impress his ladyship so he could get his way with her. -----

Wow, GREAT history lesson! so THATS why people tip!

retard.

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 21:13:

Jaja, Chorizo's a broad? Who would have thunk it, maybe she needs to to change her handle tacoshell.

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 21:15:

BTW Gringoloid, you did call it. Funny how people get angry when talking about tips, or in taco's case the lack thereoff.

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 21:51:

OK I have fully read this thread again and I have to comment on our new 4 day old friend Chorizo's post - the one that is a mile long. If anyone got the end of it it says:

"The government is buying street dollars and all the dollars they can get their hands on to stop this appreciation of the peso."

Yes the US Fedseral Reserve AND the treasury department are up all night plotting strategies and anti devaluation policies vs the Colombia Peso. It's the #1 top priority.

"Massive sales of cocaine by these para groups who are looking to unload their merchandise in one big bang before the end of the year is resulting in too many dollars coming into this country."

Oh yeah these drug dealers have to get that last big sale in before the end of the year for tax purposes I suppose, or do they run an a different fiscal calendar?

"Expect real estate booms pretty soon just like when Escobar was at the height of his "career" and too many dollars were coming into Medellin."

Are you talking abouth the real estate boom that started here 5 years ago? I can't even comment on this one.

How did you make all that money wrapped in paper (15 millones, no pues), threatening to buy and sell people 10 times over, a "milionair". I tell you one thing it wasn't in any finanace or econommics position. Why your parents were insulted instead of your comments is deplorable.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 21:58:

Can anybody spell prepago?

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 22:01:

Lowell - thanks for posting the restaurant info. I would have gotten out of this thread earlier!

My bottom line with this is that tipping is a custom in certain areas of the globe. Do the right thing and follow the customs of the culture you are in - not only is it respectful but also it's common decency. Belittling a society's customs only makes one look ignorant and uneducated.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 22:04:

prepago

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 22:05:

"Doesn't anyone remember 20 years ago when the peso was worth more than the Dollar?"

Another ignorant statement from salchicha. 20 years ago the dollar was worth hundreds of pesos.

goin_south says on Dec 28, 2007, 22:25:

"..Belittling a society's customs only makes one look ignorant and uneducated..."
Roci... I generally respect your observations and comments, but... sometimes, the customs are themselves quite ignorant and lack any thought process.

and, thank you.

billyb says on Dec 28, 2007, 22:31:

customs, almost by definition, usually lack a thought process. People just follow them because that's how it's always been done, no thought process necessary.

Man Tequila says on Dec 28, 2007, 22:40:

You could almost get muy rico steaks for that price at Lenos y Carbon. They baby beef is a steal, and very good service and food.

As for tipping, Flog. Flog. Neigh. Flog. Neigh. Flog. Flog. Flog. Flog.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 22:44:

The statement "The Dollar is at a 5 year low against the pound, and a 10 year low against the
peso."

9 years ago low 1293
8 years ago low 1525
7 years ago low 1873

So another bozo statement as the peso has been over COP2000 since Nov 2nd and the year low this year is COP1882(6/12).

BUT

I don't think Chorizo means that the Peso was .75 to the dollar. I think he's talking about "worth" as in buying power. For example if I buy a loaf of bread in the US at 1USD and convert my 1USD to, say COP600 pesos and the same loaf of bread cost COP600 pesos in Colombia than we are at equal worth - as far as bread is concerned.

The exchange rate doesn't always mean as much as it seems on the surface when you go back in time and if you are comparing two countries with dynamic economies. Yes the peso was hundreds. I know in 1991 the peso was about 500COP to the dollar. However the "buying power" of your converted dollar is the real meaning of "worth". Inflation needs to be taken into account.

If I am getting COP$5,000 to USD$1 and a Pilsen costs COP$10,000 the rate looks good on the charts but.... I'll take 1,800 - 1 and pay 1,000 for the beer any day.

"World economic indicators point to a democrat winning 2008. It will surely be Obama. Peso 1400 by November" Feb 5, 2008

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 22:59:

I hear ya mr South - like grown ups tossing beads dressed up as wierdos riding on goofy floats for a bunch of puking drunks - great custom. But I respect it and wether I'm in N'awlins or not I would never talk trash about some custom or behavior. I've actually thrown in TUX and Endymion. I've got family in Metarie - Jesuits!

When in Rome...

Isn't dog fighting Legal in Louisiana? Bull fighting is legal here and I despise both. But I can't say the Colombians are idiots because of the tradition. It's up to them to ban or let it continue.

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goin_south says on Dec 28, 2007, 23:15:

I don't think La has dog fighting. cockfighting until next year... yes.
Undercover after that? si, señor.
Good. glad you get my drift.
I get yours.

and, thank you.

rocinante says on Dec 28, 2007, 23:43:

BillyB well said - about customs

Goin South - you are Gringo D, ringo D and .... yes?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 29, 2007, 02:05:

Can anybody spell "thought"? Billyb....don't throw rocks in a glass house.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

lpdiver says on Dec 29, 2007, 03:48:

WOW a Colombian millionaire...whats that? About 500 US dollars. I am so impressed.

t

"cook some rice!"

byoung says on Dec 29, 2007, 05:04:

My first post on pbh was asking for help from you guys,the post is still up ,but no help came ,
After losing my bank cards ,and no one at home to help me ,I walked for 2 weeks into Bogota,
My bank back in NYC tells me could be up to two months for a new card to get to me.3 night's sleeping in the park ,
I log into phb again ,to find chorizo has offered to help,I turn up at his apartment to be greeted by the maid who had
Dinner ready for me,I have my own room ,own bathroom,
After a great hot shower ,first in 3 weeks ,I find the maid had already put my things in the washer,
The phone and Internet were there for me to use,and chorizo had his driver on stand by if I wanted to go any where,
At 9pm ,chorizo had to meet friends ,he invited me along,we went to a restaurant I'm not sure where ,but its called carbon de pollo
I think ,as the car pulled up the doorman came running over ,as we went in the place is huge ,bar on the left ,every thing being cook in the open on the right ,
Must be more than 100 tables here,the staff all were coming over to say hello,the place looked full but we were lead to a table right by the stage,the band playing even said hello,
I never heard him order but within minutes the table was filling up with all kinds of food, 2 bottles of wine,4 waiters we had round the table,
The friends arrived ,as more food was being served ,another 2 bottles of wine,it was my best meal in Colombia ,
After an hour or so ,they handed me a menu,I thought every thing on the table already was the meal ,it was only the starters,
When my side of beef came it was the biggest and widest I have had ,it filled the plate, and boy was it good,trays of veg came ,even more food on the table ,
It just kept coming,
Then all the lights went out ,and all the staff were around our table singing,
2 more bottles of wine ,chorizo told his driver he could have one glass,I was absolutely pigged out ,
When a trolly came along with desert as much as I would have like to try I was done ,could not eat another thing.
2 of the chefs even came to the table,which seemed to have the same amount of food still on it as when we started.
Coffee and my first Colombian aguardiente,that stuff is hot,then they came gave chorizo 3 boxes ,it was every thing that was left on the table ,you take it home ,he gave it to his driver.the bill I saw was 520.000,I cant say have much tip chorizo gave ,but as we were leaving ,the wine water got a 20 ,the girl that had seated us got a 20,I think it was the manager he got 20,and the porter outside he got 20,back at the apartment the maid bought in coffee and shortbread from Scotland,
More Colombian aguardiente ,and my first good nights sleep in weeks,this morning I came out the room ,the maid had eggs bacon beans bread coffee juice ,all ready ,and she gave me my washing that was already pressed and ironed , chorizo is not here ,I cant wait to thank him ,I feel like a new man I can tell you.
I'm here at the computer looking out over Bogota from this penthouse,the maid keeps passing by ,would I like coffee,and just yesterday I never had the money to buy coffee.
Chorizo is a life saver,and am I glad I put my post on pbh. I think I'm beginning to like colombia.tiding to all pbh for the new year.

podborski says on Dec 29, 2007, 05:16:

I thought chorizo was a woman?

Two of my friends lost their wallets in colombia, both had new visa and debit cards hand delivered within 2 days. (One american bank, one canadian). Which bank can't replace a card
'for months'? I'd be switching banks asap.

rocinante says on Dec 29, 2007, 06:15:

BYOUNG you can't wait to thank him, CHORIZO? He posted three different phone numbers here for you in the "your hardship post"(http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/looking-for-workvolunteer-in-bog...). One minute he's a man the next he's a woman, he rants about tipping ruining society and the next you're saying he tossing 20,000K to everyone?

You say you bought in a $70,000 USD plotter but you are travelling with only one bank card and/or only have one account? And no one, no where, no how can money be wired to you - even from yourself from the same bank or another bank with a simple LOA fax?

CHORIZO, BYOUNG & THEGROWER all signed in here within days.... going to turn into a circus, a three ring circus.

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billyb says on Dec 29, 2007, 10:02:

"Can anybody spell "thought"? Billyb....don't throw rocks in a glass house"

Oh,oh, I must have pissed Desi off yesterday. LOL. My problem is that I don't have Chorizo's millions, to be able to take proper english lessons. My wealth consists of a couple of goats, although some day I hope to have a large herd of five goats.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 29, 2007, 10:39:

I though it was Elmo who had goats...hey that isn't a goat you're riding inyour avatar...and yes, you did. I'm still pissed off at you billyb..

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

billyb says on Dec 29, 2007, 10:51:

It was nothing personal, I was just bored at work. BTW, not to be petty, it is "thought", not "though" as you have used it above ;) You know, the whole glass house thing and all. Yes, he is a handsome goat, isn't he?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 29, 2007, 11:00:

Not to be petty, billyb, but I spelled "thought" correctly in the previous post about the glass house which you also quoted. That I made a typo in the previous post, is a totally different animal. I make a lot of typos because I'm too lazy to proofread but I know how to conjugate the verb think in the past tense and you didn't because to write "thunk" is NOT a typo.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

billyb says on Dec 29, 2007, 11:04:

Thunk is like ain't, I used it on purpose here to make a point sarcastically, sorry the humor doesn't translate in the far north. Desi, you are coming a little unhinged.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 29, 2007, 11:08:

No, I'm not. I'm not supposed to be familiar with every regional vernacular of every English-speaking corner of the this world.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

billyb says on Dec 29, 2007, 11:18:

OK.

lpdiver says on Dec 29, 2007, 11:29:

Humor, tounge-in-cheek, and sarcasm are sometimes VERY difficult to carry out in the cyber world.

t

"cook some rice!"

podborski says on Dec 29, 2007, 11:36:

wait 'til you come across an east (?) londoner who writes "I fink...."

it was pretty common in the banking world

I think it was the same guy who pointed out that you can use almost any word in the english language, especially made up ones, to mean 'drunk', try it:

thrashed, throttled, smashed, boggled, cronked, hammered, soused, sossled, fried, blitzed, zapped...

billyb says on Dec 29, 2007, 11:48:

I got PBHed last night and now I have a hang over.

rocinante says on Dec 29, 2007, 18:22:

I actually worked on the B of A wire system in 2004-2005. ATS it is called. As far as the rules are concerned if you have a Letter Of Authorization on file with them you can fax in wire instructions from anywhere to anywhere. The only way to get rejected is if you or the recipient are on the OFAC list. Of course if you are wiring millions to Afganastan or something equally as shady (Colombia?) you will have to answer questions - but 5 10 grand not a problem.

Mr InBogota, I have so many back ups of bank cards it would make your head spin. I know how you feel!

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rocinante says on Dec 29, 2007, 19:14:

Chorizo - you are so FULLA ****. You write

"sorry i let byoung on here ,but i put the post about the plotter ,but never seen he was still loged on ,so that got put under his name but it was my post ,
he got here yesterday im helping him out "

So, Chorizo, you are the double spaced comma guy - yet so is Byoung in his other posts

http://poorbuthappy.com/byoung/comments/ ..... And check out your posts: http://poorbuthappy.com/chorizo/comments/

Face it ,you're on medication ,playing games on here with multiple logins ,talking to yourself. You've got an obvious problem and if I were the moderator here....

Byoung was walking in Bogota for two weeks? Slept outside for two days? Helluva story. Why was his plotter post (really you, according to you) posted before he got to your "place" in Bogota? Why did you say you are female but he's saying you are male?

Maybe ,just maybe ,I'm Chorizo too ,as you can see I'm doning the double spaced comma thing.

By the way ,thanks for the big dinner ,and taking me off the street ,and leaving me in your house with your maid while you were backpacking somehere. Really ,I put the post about tipping ,it wasn't you as byoung -really me and you - said that we were tipping like crazy ,throwing around 20K bills like water.

I'm happy we are all ,here.

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billyb says on Dec 29, 2007, 19:30:

"Face it ,you're on medication ,playing games on here with multiple logins ,talking to yourself. You've got an obvious problem and if I were the moderator here...."

But as long as you get on an anti US rant, some mods might look on that favorably.

rocinante says on Dec 29, 2007, 19:45:

Drunk? I'm sober 'cause I'm sick but podborski the Polish guy writes:

"thrashed, throttled, smashed, boggled, cronked, hammered, soused, sossled, fried, blitzed, zapped"

How did he forget:

loaded
shithoused
lit
blasted
ripped
polluted
slammed
snockered
drunk as a skunk
crocked
splageezered
oiled
railed
stewed
shitfaced
plastered
pissed
shitty
off my face
tanked
sotted
crocked
rocked
sloshed
out of my tree
totalled
pickled
sauced
all navy'ed out
toasted
roasted
face down in the gutter
behind the cork
tuned up
wrecked
stewed
lookin' like Sam's uncle
stinky
hosed
drucking funk
gacked
count drunkula
bombed
blotto
defcon 1
blootered
boozed up
sobrietarliy challenged
embalmed
fired up
ossified
totally rat faced
a couple of chapters into the novel
trounced
wasted
liquored up
drinky-pooed
caought the Irish flu
benched
faced
stenched

and my all time favourite

He was hangin' on the grass to keep from falling off the earth.

I'm not as drink as some tinkle peep I am.

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billyb says on Dec 29, 2007, 19:48:

Roci, it sounds like you have been around the block.

rocinante says on Dec 29, 2007, 19:50:

I've been known to wear a wobbly shoe

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rocinante says on Dec 29, 2007, 19:51:

The chivas have been driving past my place and all I can here are these drunk busses going by. I really am sick with bronchitis, I'm so jealous.

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goin_south says on Dec 29, 2007, 19:53:

he forgot: sailorjerried
and, 'you're not a gringo, if you are from _____'

roci,... where have you been? surely, you're not back in the Big Easy?

and, thank you.

rocinante says on Dec 29, 2007, 19:56:

I'm in Boston - Medellín. Every time chiva goes by I run to the balc to snap a quick video. As I was typing about the Chivas moments ago a real loud one went by. They sounded like they were having a stooopendous time. I wish I felt better.

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rocinante says on Dec 29, 2007, 19:57:

You're not a gringo if you are from China, are black, are from India or from South America. Other than that Colombians consider everyone else a gringo.

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rocinante says on Dec 29, 2007, 20:30:

OK although there's less but the vomit words are even funnier:

blow chunks
gargling the gouda
ralph
bring it up for a vote
tossing cookies
technicolor yawn
Chumming
the big spit
yak
Selling the buick
up chucking
spew the wild oats
puke
losing lunch
erupt
drive the big white bus
hurl
bark at the floor
retch
doin' the last sub
heave
lumpy burp
the big wah
barf
talkin' to your shoes
hoist chow
tossing tacos
splooge
the Jersey Yodel
yell for huey
chuck a pizza
blowing beets
facin' the basin'
emptying the corn sack
chunder
bouncing a meal
air out the diced carrots
doin' the Don Ho heave
hork
the blatz
decorate the pavement
hooverin'
yuke
blow biscuits
conducting a suprise toilet inspection
having an oral movement
whistling beef
praying to the porcelin god

And my all time favoutire

talking on the big white phone

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goin_south says on Dec 29, 2007, 20:48:

'Callin Signals'... On behalf of the Now Perfect New England Patriots!

and, thank you.

podborski says on Dec 30, 2007, 04:28:

jajaja! those are hilarious roci

lpdiver says on Dec 30, 2007, 06:52:

driving the porceline bus

"cook some rice!"

Lowell says on Dec 30, 2007, 15:58:

making love to the porcelin god

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

Medellin Traveler says on Dec 30, 2007, 16:38:

I'm late to this wonderful party.... I AM NOT A TIPPER!

Medellin es una chimba! www.medellintraveler.com