Danish FARC supporters are going to trial again.

kalder says on Sep 3, 2008, 12:50:

And saying the PFLP aren't terrorists either!!!

I guess kicking wheelchaired bound grandfathers off the side of ships is just dandy in the eyes of the Danish judiciary...

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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johnny2008 says on Sep 3, 2008, 17:38:

Are the FARC terrorists, they don't seem to think they are, they believe they are engaged in a legitimate struggle. Do the FARC engage in terrorism and gangsterism? Hell yes. Do they act outside of the Geneva convention? that which governs a legitimate war? yes they do.

Were the IRA terrorists or an army? they believed they were an army also engaged in a legitimate struggle, the British thought they were terrorists, the Boston and NYC paddies agreed with the IRA and certain sections of the community sponsored them either directly through the "collection tins" or less knowingly through NORAID. Is ad-hoc punishment and summary execution compliant with the Geneva convention? No it isn't.

Are the Iraqi "Insurgents" terrorists? it's less black and white, is Iraq an occupied country? yes it is. Is it illegally occupied? that's arguable. But I personally don't see much difference between an Iraqi insurgent and the French WW2 resistance.

Are the United States and Britain terrorists? Of course not you say. But were the crimes of Abu Ghraib and the murder in custody of Baha Musa terrorist activities? It could be argued that way, it also certainly fell outside of that which is acceptable within the Geneva convention so once again is that terrorism? It certainly is not the act of a sovereign state engaged in a legal conflict.

Hamas are terrorists aren't they? but heck aren't they inconveniently also democratically elected? So are they terrorists or a government?

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, on man's insurgent is another man's resistance movement.

Are the FARC terrorists? Yes I personally think they probably are, but I would defend to the bitter end the right of someone to disagree with me. For if we control thought and criminalise opinion, for what liberty do we fight? Sponsoring an illegal guerilla war though, either indirectly or directly is a different matter.

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PBHjon says on Sep 3, 2008, 21:59:

Only the stupidest european psuedo-intellectual leftist would claim that hamas stopped being a terrorist group because they were elected. Some leftists are so dumb that if you dressed a pig in underwear and pants, they'd think it could do algebra.

I'm proud to be a liberal, and even prouder not to be a brain-dead extreme leftist (or extreme rightist for that matter).

Of course FARC are terrorists, they targetted civilians in a bombing intended to kill as many people as possible. They need to be shot, hung, electrocuted, or cancelled from this world in any way possible. And we don't need to waste our time with psuedo-philosophical ramblings about one man's terrorist being another man's freedom fighter: the Nazis also thought they were fighting for correct moral values, and it was beautiful when we blew them the hell up.

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kalder says on Sep 4, 2008, 05:14:

"But I personally don't see much difference between an Iraqi insurgent and the French WW2 resistance."

Oh course. How could you? The Maquis were famous for declaring war on the democratic process; bombing market places full of women and children; cutting the heads off of journalists; torching mosques packed with members of the 'wrong' brand of Islam; engaging in widespread kidnapping, looting and extortion; persecuting gay men, intellectuals and women...

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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johnny2008 says on Sep 4, 2008, 05:49:

Kalder, yes you make a fair point, MO of iraqi insurgents is dramatically different to the French resistance

However death by insurgent car bombs in 2007 50, torture and execution by insurgents 120. Deaths of civilians during cross fire and attacks with US/British troops 1326. The vast majority of which were US air strikes killing 88 babies. Civilian deaths directly attributable to US forces alone (ie, not involving any other combatants) 756 in 2007. So seems the insurgents are responsible for a lot of civilian deaths but nowhere near as many as the US/British forces are.

Of course killing civilians is an outrage, but if we are going to get squeamish about the ungentlemanly way in which people meet their fate, then we should think more carefully about invading a country that has a far more ruthless culture than our own. I would add, I don't think the US and British governments give two hoots about the civilian deaths, if they spin it right and keep schtum about the number of civilians that they kill themselves.

As for the above comments, I have made it quite clear that I consider those groups to be terrorists, I make excuses for none of them. I just add that people are entitled to their opinion and that may differ to ours. If a bunch of Danes want to print pro FARC Tshirts, then yes, it is a bit unpalatable but it won't make the world a worse place. I also added that funding terrorist organisations is completely unacceptable but you didn't bother to read that, must have missed it in your race to brand me a Euro leftie.

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kalder says on Sep 4, 2008, 07:53:

The Allied troops are there to support the democratically elected government of Iraq. The 'insurgents' -a ghastly cabal of Baathist fascists and psychopathic Jihadists- are embarked upon a crusade of the uttermost cruelty and nihilism. Any casualties incurred in the conflict can be fully laid at their door.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Sep 4, 2008, 07:59:

I don't know if you're a leftie, Euro or otherwise, Johnny. But you appear to subscribe to the current bizarre leftie dogma that the US and the UK are far more reprehensible than Baathist Fascism or Islamist Theocracy.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Sep 4, 2008, 08:04:

IF the US and UK are imperialist powers (which I really don't think they are- clumsy, self-serving and inept, for sure), I'd much rather live in an empire where I have to eat burgers and watch blockbuster movies, than in one where my family belongs to the Baath Party or one in which I'm obliged to see gay men strung up, not get a drink and see my wife wrapped up in a blanket 24/7.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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johnny2008 says on Sep 4, 2008, 08:09:

Kalder, I am going to shut up!

I am here for help and advice regarding Colombia and wish I would stop getting into political scrapes.

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kalder says on Sep 4, 2008, 12:04:

Oh no Johnny, don't do that please. These 'political scrapes' can be far more interesting than bland exchanges of information about the location of hotels and the price of air tickets.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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tasco66 says on Sep 6, 2008, 06:32:

What are they going to say next? That Al Qaeda is not a terrorist organization?

Not being bound to swear to the dogmas of any master

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Dolfi says on Sep 8, 2008, 01:12:

Why can´t any of those american rightwingers argue without insults and hatespeech?

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kalder says on Sep 8, 2008, 05:04:

The Left do hate extraordinarily well. And as for insults: if you don't go along with their ghastly nostrums, it's not reasoned debate, it's a dreary litany of abuse: "Fascist, racist, sexist, homophobe, carnivore..."

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kalder says on Sep 8, 2008, 05:09:

Three cheers for Mussolini and back to the kitchen with you, you non-Aryan, protein-starved poofs.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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