Cultural do's & don'ts ??

adrimm says on Aug 27, 2005, 20:07:

I'm not all here today but off the top of my head..but from what I know of Philippino culture you will see some similarities.. of course it really isn't too different from being under the microscope elsewhere.

1)Host gift/family gift would go over well and/or an invite out for a meal (if the group is managable size).
2)take no ratty clothes (especially shoes)
3) you will likely not be expected to remove your shoes upon entering homes
4)Mind your table manners (until you get to know the family)
5)Avoid starting discussions that could be controversial, drugs politics etc, might be considered untactful.
6)Do ask about sports and futbol with the guys.
7)Be yourself.

Have fun!!!

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miamimike says on Aug 27, 2005, 20:20:

Always close the Bathroom Door after You Use IT !! This Drives me crazy as it is (for the most part just the opposite practice)of what we do here in the House. We here in the states leave the Door open after we use it so the NEXT person can SEE its un-occupied. If there is a closed door, for us here in the USA, thats a signal(unspoken)that you shouldn't enter or even knock(like maybe mom and dad are "busy"). If I had a dime for every time I walked in on someone sitting on the "Throne" I would be rich; sometimes its funny(maybe interesting if its the opposite sex), sometimes its not-I always try to make a joke out of this if I catch someone with "The Pants Down". I am never embarrassed myself as its happened to me also and I take no umbrage or insult. If you are with a big group eating out, Never ask for Seperate Checks as they will think you are cheap or tight! Never leave more then a 50 Cent tip as you will be accused of spoiling the Help for the Natives. Invite your Novia to Monserrate-Not. Guess this is bad luck! If someone starts to ask you how much you earn, I would artfully dodge THIS question and change the subject-thats private for most folks)I'm sure there are more things others will suggest to avoid these are my favorites. Oh, by the way-Never Ever Slam the Taxi Door Shut when entering the Taxi-this may get you tossed out of the Cab; at the very least you will get a Dirty Look from the driver! No tip for him anyhow! jaja

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Maliz says on Aug 27, 2005, 22:14:

Insider´s info Hi! I´m Colombian so here´s a bit of insider´s info:
1. Try to learn some basic Spanish before you come here (thanks, please and so on). I bet her parents and old relatives will apreciate your efforts.
2. Go out dancing with her but go slow on the Aguardiente no matter how much her relatives insist on you drinking "fondo blanco" every time.
3. Don´t forget to compliment her mother on her cooking.
4. Have a great time!

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kernow62 says on Aug 28, 2005, 04:05:

Hey Mike, I always close the bathroom door after I use it, but I leave it open while I am using it so that people know it is occupied. That doesn't go down well in Colombia I can tell you.

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aztec says on Aug 28, 2005, 05:37:

All good advice Here's a few other small things that I have done that irritated some of my friends and family. Colombians are generally gracious and so will not tell you of your faux pau.

Remember that Colombians are Americans.

Know how to spell Colombia. It is not Columbia.

They appreciate your attempt to use the Spanish language.

Avoid the subject of drugs. They have been lectured to enough. In any case many Colombians see the USER as the problem.

Discussion of politics can get you killed. My brother-in-law is a professor in several of the colleges and must assiduously avoid the topic because he has all political persuasions in his classes.

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2retirensa says on Aug 28, 2005, 05:54:

This bathroom door thing is a killer!! No one told me, so it took awhile to figure out. In a house full of people, you initially think its always occupied. I was counting people to try to figure out if it was available or not!!
When given anything, you must rave about it for at least 5 minutes! "Thank you, this is lovely" won't do. Example: (Pillow) This is my favorite color, thank you so much. I love how soft it is- look Auntie, isn't this beautiful. Look at all the detail, see the tiny stitches- this will be perfect on my bed. I will think of you everytime I see it. ON and on etc. You must show great appreciation. It became an all day affair when I gave gifts to everyone. Of course, being female, I love all the drama.
Maureen

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 28, 2005, 06:51:

if you say "thank you, this is lovely" it is interpreted as if you hated it but were just mouthing a polite answer. (But you already knew that, didn't you?).

"Ahora" doesn't mean "now", but rather sometime in a near future.
"Ahorita" doesn't mean "immediately" but at some time a bit sooner than "ahora". "Por la tarde" doesn't mean at 3-5 pm. It means any time after 12:00 noon. The concept of time is the one to watch out if you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. It's their time, btw. not your time as it's their country, their home and their language.

Eat up the food on your plate! This is most important if you're invited to eat lunch or dinner at somebody's home. There's a lot less lactose intolerant, allergic, finicky eaters there than in your milkandhoney streetspavedwithgold country and most people eat almost anything with a good appetite. Besides, not eating up your sancocho shows that you were just pretending to like it in the first place.

Be prepared for the cheerful invasion of your private sphere. People ask all kinds of questions about you, your family, your life; you get a full interview any time you meet somebody new. They're not invading your privacy, just being politely interested. Also, people tend to kiss and hug, grab an arm, pat you on the back, hold your hand a lot more than the average person in your country in colder climates.

There's more...

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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aztec says on Aug 28, 2005, 08:14:

Desideria "Be prepared for the cheerful invasion of your private sphere. People ask all kinds of questions about you, your family, your life; you get a full interview any time you meet somebody new. They're not invading your privacy, just being politely interested."

You are so right! This is one of the hardest things to adjust and manage. If you tell someone you can't do something they will want to know why. To the point of badgering.

Still have trouble knowing how to handle the question of how much something costs. (house, auto)

In addition relatives and friends will just show up at your door. And--they will stay what seems like forever.

When they do start to leave it takes 30 minutes to an hour from the point of standing up to the front door!

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 28, 2005, 08:15:

Again it depends on the person. With my wife, ahora really does mean now, punto! And you better have your trasero ready, buddy! Although I don't know how she did not manage to go nuts down there.

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kernow62 says on Aug 28, 2005, 08:19:

Also don't mention you have diarrhea; the entire extended family will try to resolve your problem with all manner of remedies, soon it will be known all over Bogotá that you have diarrhea. I speak from experience.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 28, 2005, 12:32:

your wife, Utopia has to be one in a million. Of course, there's a difference if you just say..."ahora..." or AHORA! Given the right emphasis it means "ya!" (With another type of intonation it might mean "yesss, quit badgering me!)

Never say no to a home remedy! That'd only make you an arrogant foreigner who looks down on the collective wisdom of herbal medicine and gives you a reputation of being a besserwisser.

I never knew that one about the bathroom door. I've always thought it should be closed at all times. After all, you lock it from inside when your using it.

Cheers,
Desi

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 28, 2005, 13:30:

I don't even own a watch but she lives by her watch. If you arrange to meet her at 4 PM, you better not show up at 4:02 because you'll hear how she was there at 3:45 waiting for you. She's freaking compulsive.

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kernow62 says on Aug 28, 2005, 13:34:

I am a great believer in herbal remedies, in fact I use them all the time, but sugar in beer is nasty!

I am thinking of taking my bathroom door off completely, that should avoid confusion!

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Miguel says on Aug 28, 2005, 18:34:

Que milagro UC Una colombiana a punto.

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miamimike says on Aug 29, 2005, 00:19:

Jim Great Idea-Jim Those doors are a PITA anyhow!Maybe someone needs to market some those little sliding signs like on the Buses or Airliners that say Occupied/Un-occupied when you close the door.Problem is many times in Colombia, the people using the BR don't lock the door so we just walk in. Not many in the US knock on the BR door before entering and herein lies the problem.

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flaleo says on Aug 29, 2005, 07:23:

Not Americans Colombians aren't Americans, I never agree with that line of reasoning seen here before. Sure, they are "South Americans", the same that people from the USA are "North Americans" (but then who uses either label?).

But people from the USA are the only Americans, not because we're better than our neighbors (we're not), but because we are the only country in the hemisphere that has the word "America" in the name. People from the USA aren't "Unitedians" - they're "Americans" - just like "Canadians", "Mexicans", or "Colombians".

It's not a matter of geography, it's a matter of description of title. USA has "America" in the title - no other neighboring country does.

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tomtom33 says on Aug 29, 2005, 07:58:

Bathroom door I took the door off the master bathroom in my apartment in Cartagena. Those bathrooms are too small. Any guests who visit my bedroom probably don't need the door anyway.

Then the clear glass shower enclosure provides better viewing. What are the dos and don'ts about watching a guest showering?

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toneloc24 says on Aug 29, 2005, 15:20:

LOL!!! "Then the clear glass shower enclosure provides better viewing. What are the dos and don'ts about watching a guest showering?"

DO's
- Make sure it's a hot chica
- Have a fattie ready. Spark it up!!!
- Say nothing, just enjoy the show.

DON'T's
- Ever let a dude shower there
- Interrupt
- Put down the fattie

GRAY AREA
- Family

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 16:50:

If you are the visiting boyfriend, whatever you do, don't appear to be cheap. "Duro" has more than one meaning, one good and one bad.

Establish with your girlfriend that if you're going out to eat, it's just you and her, unless you genuinely do intend to bring the whole family, plus any friends that show up during the 30 minutes you're trying to get out of the door.

All will eat, you will pay. I'm telling you this now because if you complain about it there, you'll look duro.

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tomtom33 says on Aug 29, 2005, 17:21:

Thanks, Tone Check my image gallery on that first DO.

Sorry, I don't smoke.

Is a video camera Gauche?

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poco says on Aug 29, 2005, 19:13:

Bobo whatever you do, don't appear to be cheap. "Duro" has more than one meaning, one good and one bad.

A caution: Cheap is in the eyes of the beholder. My behavior in Colombia is “cheap” compared to the U.S. Maintaining the same habits in Colombia (or anywhere) would be a mistake. Better to have people hold their arm in a Vee shape and tap their elbow while clenching their fist tight than to open their hand and laugh when outside your view.

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tomtom33 says on Aug 29, 2005, 19:24:

Right on Poco I'd rather be cheap than broke. It took about 6 months for the regular street people to stop asking me for money. If I had ever given them any, the asking would never have stopped.

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cam0940 says on Aug 29, 2005, 20:27:

Yes poco I meant in regards to the tag-alongs. The fact is people will invite themselves to come along.

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litost says on Aug 29, 2005, 21:04:

I (a colombian) disagree with flaleo on the "American" issue... yes, it's a technicality which many may overlook, but certain people do appreciate at least the recognition that colombians are also americans even if not usually reffered to as such, for belonging to the american continent.

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adrimm says on Aug 29, 2005, 21:44:

American = Matter of perspective I say pot-ah-to, you say pot-ai-to.
What is worn in Rome is not neccessarily worn in London, (or Bogota or NYC).

Ya just gotta go with the flow and realise that everyone has different truths.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 30, 2005, 09:43:

yes, it's a matter of perspective. Historically and culturally, Colombian and Brazilian, Chilean and Salvadorean, Mexican and Canadian, Gringo and Dominican etc etc.are just some of the diverse peoples of the Americas. All American. (As in not being European, Asian, Australian or African). It's really quite simple. If you want to specify, then it'd be North, South or Central American. If you want to narrow down to a specific country then it'd be Colombian, Brazilian, Dominican, Gringo.
If you chose to name your country to carry the name of the whole continent you'll have to learn to share it.

Cheers,
Desi

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flaleo says on Aug 30, 2005, 12:54:

OK, fair enough, I do agree with those points...

Colombians are Americans in the same way Japanese are Asians or Germans are Europeans or Egyptians Africans.

But let me ask a question - when someone from the USA says they are American, do you believe typically the person is attempting to identify what country they are from or what continent they are from? We use the term "Americans" to describe our nationality (not that nationality is such an issue... maybe someone asks what country a person is from), which our neighbors can't really do - that's the point I meant to make, which I really did do poorly:)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 30, 2005, 13:06:

oh, no question about it flaleo, I am well familiar with the usage of the word "American" in USA. It's used in the narrow sense of identifying the country of origin, not the continent. But it can also be used in the wider sense and it's there where all peoples of the Americas have a claim on it. It's a justifed claim too; it's also time-honoured. That's what Panamerican movement is all about. So, when a Colombian says "I'm also an American" that's what he/she means.

Cheers,
Desi

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platano says on Aug 30, 2005, 13:37:

In Colombia I would never say "Soy americano".... I sometimes said "soy norteamericano" (which could mean I am Mexican or Canadian), but to be perfectly clear I learned to say the word (it's not really that difficult) which precisely expresses my political identity: "soy estadounidense" (my accent guaranteed no confusion with "estadounidense mexicano").

By the way, my Colombian wife is a professional and is punctual. She was punctual in Colombia. When we did a workshop in Colombia and only half the people had arrived at the announced starting time my wife would say: "Vamos a empezar porque creo en premiar a los que llegan a tiempo." (Let's get started because you who came on time deserve to be rewarded for your punctuality")

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 30, 2005, 13:55:

Residents of the US are not the only people who refer to residents of the USA as "Americans". The other English-speaking countries also refer to us that way and they don't seem to have an issue with it - maybe because there is not an English word like "estadounidense" that seems suitable. The Panamerican movement would seem to be strictly a South American thing. Both Mexico and Canada have no desire to be part of any Panamerican movement which would have them swallowed up by the United States. In fact I don't even know why the South Americans would want to become part of Greater Brazil?

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platano says on Aug 30, 2005, 14:13:

Points of view of residents of other countries run the gamut... with "Yankee Imperialist Pig" being a recurrent theme. I suppose the correct form would be "American Imperialist Pig"?

plátano

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flaleo says on Aug 30, 2005, 14:20:

So, who other than some of our neighbors in the hemisphere use the term 'Americans' other than to identify US citizens?

C'mon, sure Colombians can identify themselves as Americans if they are labeling they continent of origin, but the rest of the world (certainly the English-speaking world) uses the term to idetnify people of the USA (as in U.S.America-ns).

As UC points out, and my thinking of late - why should our neighbors want to be lumped in with us!

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litost says on Aug 30, 2005, 14:40:

Yes yes yes... I know as well all the other colombians that the USAGE of the word "american" for people of the United States of America is both historical and wide-ranging. We doubt this will ever change, at least not in the english speaking world where there is no suitable substitute. The POINT is that it is a little annoying for all of us from other american countries to have millions of gringos saying "I am an American", "I love America", etc... or worse when the word comes out of Bush's mouth such as "America is the greatest nation on the planet". I know trying to change this would be an uphill battle, so all I say is that at least when visiting another country in the american continent, unitedstatians be aware of this!

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 30, 2005, 15:16:

Nice touch, Litost. "unitedstatians" sure rolls right off the tongue. But then we get into the problem of which United States? The United States of Mexico? They have signs when you enter Mexico saying welcome to Estados Unidos Mexicanos. Good thing Brazil gave up the name Republic of the United States of Brazil in 1968. And Venezuela gave up the name United States of Venezuela in 1953. Maybe Chavez can resurrect it to thumb his nose at W.

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aztec says on Aug 30, 2005, 15:32:

American "so all I say is that at least when visiting another country in the American continent, unitedstatias be aware of this!" litost

That is all I was attempting to impart. There is no need to annoy our friends. One can get into logical discussions over the accuracy of the assertion. It (fact/truth) doesn't really matter here as it is perception that counts.

If you are in another country other than your own you should make an effort to be a pleasant guest. If you know this attitude offends some Colombians then it is only commonsense we should avoid it.

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Copete says on Aug 30, 2005, 16:43:

names As far as I know, in the UN it says "United States" on the desk of the delegation from the USA, and "Mexico" on the desk of the Mexican delegation.

Also, as much as USians revere the "Founding Fathers," one of the dumbest things they could have done would be to name the country "America," almost 300 years after that name had already been used to label the whole continent.

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Rubiazo says on Aug 30, 2005, 19:29:

I saw some graffiti on carrera 7 today ¨GRINGOS HIJUEPUTAS¨

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platano says on Aug 30, 2005, 21:09:

Rubiazo, that graffiti you saw is shocking and an insult to... putas everywhere!

plátano

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 30, 2005, 21:13:

I agree, Copete. We should have taken the name Columbia.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 30, 2005, 21:13:

I agree, Copete. We should have taken the name Columbia.

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Lostgringo says on Aug 30, 2005, 21:14:

slamming the taxi door damn I can't stop doing this. The doors on the taxis must only weight 1 lb. Hm wait a minute, the taxi only weighs a pound lol. I got a bad comment today from a taxi driver..I just smiled and said gracias...later my novia told me he was not happy with me. I felt a little stupid.

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juanalejo says on Aug 30, 2005, 21:20:

Cultural do´s and dont´s I think the title of this thread is do´s and dont´s in Colombia, so if America or not America is not the point, why don´t you just learn those do´s and dont´s. When in Colombia, people from the United States of America are generally referred as "gringos" (not offensive at all), Norteamericanos (does not include Canadians or Mexicans) or Estadounidenses. So regardless if some of you guys like or not, a general do not in Colombia is to call your self Americano, and really strong do not is to say you come from a country called America. You come from "Los Estados Unidos" or "Los Estados Unidos de America" if that pleases some of you guys more.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 30, 2005, 21:26:

Unfortunately or fortunately, the Canadians frequently get lumped in with the Americans or should I say the Columbians.

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platano says on Aug 30, 2005, 21:31:

juanalejo, I wouldn't make a blanket statement that... the term "gringos" is not offensive. It all depends on the tone and context. Many times I have heard the phrase "pinches gringos" or "gringos hijueputas" and it was intended as an insult. Other times, the word "gringos" is merely used in a descriptive way without any emotional charge behind it.

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 30, 2005, 21:40:

A Mexican will never use the word "gringo" to refer to a US resident unless he/she intends an insult. I've heard it used so much in Colombia that it's lost its barb and sometimes I'll refer to myself as a gringo in the presence of Mexicans. They will wince when I say it and quickly move the conversation along.

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platano says on Aug 30, 2005, 21:50:

Frank, you really do have to work on being conscious of how... you close the taxi door. Make it a "door-closing meditation", purposely, slowly, and even dramatically move the taxi door close to the body of the car, then give it a push until it latches. If it doesn't latch sometimes the taxi driver will reach back, open it and then with a weak pull, close the door. They sometimes will try to do this before you have a chance to close the door, as a preventative measure. But you'll be sure to get a smile if you show them that their taxi door is important to you and you are treating it with kid gloves, so to speak, so as not to diminish the value of their asset, which is their livelihood. It really isn't that the taxi doors are lightweight: they are Daewoos, Hyundais, etc. manufactured to standards. You just may be used to another kind of taxi. I know in Victoria, BC they use Toyota Prius for taxis and you can slam those babies shut without problem. Just try to be more loving toward the taxi doors and you will not make any enemies of taxi drivers. This is an opportunity to show that you are sensitive to the fact that you are a guest in their country and care about them.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Aug 31, 2005, 05:26:

rubiazo I seen some Graffitis in Colombia where it said "Yankies go Home"

Chao X-)

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Aug 31, 2005, 05:46:

Lakbaydiwa First we don't start christmas in September so don't star singing christmas Carol just yet, like in the Phillipines.jeje
its perfectly acceptable to haggle for the cheapest price in Colombia too.
we're very similar in religion,culture, we do eat a lot of rice too.
and we play yo-yo . I think we are the world champions.
chao

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flaleo says on Aug 31, 2005, 05:55:

"When in Colombia, people from the United States of America are generally referred as "gringos" (not offensive at all), Norteamericanos (does not include Canadians or Mexicans) or Estadounidenses."


That's just not entirely true (to put it nicely) - I'm referred to as an American all the time... by friends, by girlfriend, by her family, by people I meet... and I've NEVER been called a Estadounidese or anything close to that!! Nor a norteamericano...

So, we are all Americans when it comes to labeling us by continents - but who the hell does that in practice??

But only people from the USA are Americans when it comes to labeling a person by his country - something that is done frequently, both with friendly and nonfriendly intent.

And, on the topic topic, I have learned to no longer close the taxi door so that it is a slam. In fact, I find myself having to give car doors a second more forceful attempt while here in the U.S. :)

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 31, 2005, 07:36:

Which reminds me... ...of a humorous anecdote I read in some financial newspaper.



Setting: A trade conference or IMF meeting in Brazil. Lots of protests by the usual suspects.



Graffiti #1 on the wall: YANQUI GO HOME.



Graffiti #2 immediately below it: AND TAKE ME WITH YOU.



;-)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Aug 31, 2005, 07:38:

graffiti I've seen "Gringo go home", "Gringa stay here!"
Cheers,
Desi

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 31, 2005, 07:48:

Hmm just a thought Well i read alll of these things about not calling yourself "american" and i agree, that was the 1st thing i was taught to not say when i visit, and for all the people who wonder who labels us by continent, dont you call someone asian or african? maybe we dont do it here in the EEUU but the point of this was to know about the do's and dont's of THEIR culture, the point of this was to learn what they do diffrently, and you are trying to say "well thats not how we do it here" EXACTLY, we wanted to know what they do THERE!

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Diez Y Siete says on Aug 31, 2005, 07:48:

Hmm just a thought Well i read all of these things about not calling yourself "american" and i agree, that was the 1st thing i was taught to not say when i visit, and for all the people who wonder who labels us by continent, dont you call someone asian or african? maybe we dont do it here in the EEUU but the point of this was to know about the do's and dont's of THEIR culture, the point of this was to learn what they do diffrently, and you are trying to say "well thats not how we do it here" EXACTLY, we wanted to know what they do THERE!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Aug 31, 2005, 08:11:

In Spain they called South-Americans, Sudakos, and they don't say suramericano, they said sud-americano

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poco says on Aug 31, 2005, 10:05:

Depends on Location I seen some Graffitis in Colombia where it said "Yankies go Home"

This probably does NOT refer to a national group it is a personal habit.

I've never been Referred to as a Gringo. Probably because they see so few in the rural areas.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Aug 31, 2005, 11:54:

Poco I though you were Colombian, what was I thinking?

PS, so the obsesion with Faride where does comes from?

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adrimm says on Aug 31, 2005, 16:29:

Gee Platano, You get around..... Colombia, Canada, US, all over the place it seems. But on the taxi's you forgot about the Renault taxis in Colombia.

:)

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