Conversion

redc says on Dec 30, 2006, 15:21:

Believe the Pope is a god, and believe Mary is the Mediator, and a whole lotta other stuff that isn't in the Bible

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goin_south says on Dec 30, 2006, 18:07:

I think they have a FEE SYSTEM, don't they? It's about like applying for a visa. fee, fee, another fee. It is easier and less expensive, to chose another denomination. I know, I know. You can't take the Catholic out of the Colombiana. But, I'm working on it.

I have to say, that I have learned a few new powerful perspectives about a few things in life, listening to a few Colombianas who are staunch Catholics, who have related a couple things to me about their Catholicism. But, still... THE MOST POWERFUL ($$$) ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD? (someone said, I think) THAT OWNS MORE REAL ESTATE THAN ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD, (I think.) And, one that is tied so intricately into the Underground World. And, one that allows and almost seemingly breds and condones widespread pedophilia. And, one more thing: they constantly change their 'principles for living' to keep up with the times.

I don't think I want to be a part of that system.

Ciao! Gustav.

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goin_south says on Dec 30, 2006, 18:10:

Sorry animo... but, I don't think it's easy or inexpensive, either way, in either place.

Ciao! Gustav.

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goin_south says on Dec 30, 2006, 19:10:

isn't there a fee for everything? when you are only attempting to make your life more simplified, if you are institutionalized into the Catholic church, it costs. a fee. simple. to get married. to get it annulled. to.... whatever. always a fee, from what I have heard. I am not, however, Catholic. Never was; never will be.

Ciao! Gustav.

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Plato says on Dec 31, 2006, 12:15:

Why the blatant anti-catholic statements? What organization can run without resources of any kind? Does the Catholic Church require that you tithe?

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Plato says on Dec 31, 2006, 12:27:

Conversion eventually amounts to making a profession of faith, actually the Nicene-Constantinople creed (381 A.D.)- at least here in New York City. In other countries, it may just be the Apostle's Creed. I'm not sure about Colombia.

The process requires RCIA - the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults. Please note that it does cost money to run these programs or how else can they be delivered to you? Unfortunately, there have been many abuses in the Catholic Church but by no means is it a reflection of the efforts of good and holy people (both clergy and lay) and much less of its Founder, Jesus Christ.

If a person were indeed serious about converting and didn't have the means to go through an RCIA program, the Catholic Church would accomodate the person. As a recognized instructor of the Church here in New York City, I have taught people who didn't have the means but wanted to convert out of love for Jesus Christ and his Catholic Church. Hope this helps.

Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year!

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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goin_south says on Dec 31, 2006, 21:34:

happy new year.

Ciao! Gustav.

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Plato says on Jan 1, 2007, 11:47:

No sense in quibbling over what a “fee system� is. It means, clearly, that if you don’t pay, you will not get the service. Surely, there have been many dishonorable characters in my Church that make it sound as such – those bastards! The gifts and sacraments of Jesus Christ are not for sale!

I’ve come across a few situations where some of my friends and relatives have told me about being approached with a “fee-like� system. Taking the matter into my own hands, a brief discussion with the priest or pastor clears things up, especially when you tell them that you will discuss the matter with the bishop and will not even hesitate to write the Vatican if need be. No, there is no fee system in the Catholic Church. It operates on donations. The problem is that there are many stingy Catholic contributors of considerable means and it turns out the poor end up donating comparatively more of what little they have.

To non-Catholics: I understand how a fee system is unjust. However, it’s not supposed to be that way and most Catholics are not informed enough on how to handle this situation.


Regards,

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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