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Considering moving to Colombia... what should I expect?
My brother, who is 19, and I, 21, both work for my Dad who owns a small contract drilling company. We do most of our work in the Canadian arctic for diamond companies. We spend about five months of the year working in camps where we make very good money and then have the other seven months of the year off. We work for 4-6 weeks then get anywhere from 2 weeks off to several months off depending on the time of year. From where we work, it's only an extra half day of travel to get to Bogota instead of Vancouver in Canada.
My brother and I are considering buying a house in Cartagena, Colombia and living there during our time off. We're considering Colombia over other countries in the area for several reasons. The biggest reason is that my Dad is also on the board of directors for a gold exploration company, based out of Canada, that has a lot of property in Colombia. They are still in the final stages of going public and aren't doing any active exploration but that is in the works. For at least the next three years however, we will be working in Canada then travelling back to Colombia for our time off.
We're considering Cartagena mainly because it's on the ocean and it sounds like a nice place to live but the other main reason is that all our equipment and supplies coming from Canada will be shipped to Cartagena first and then flown on chartered planes out from there. We want to rent some yard space in Cartagena to keep an inventory of equipment and such.
Anyways, I'm just wondering what we can expect living in Cartagena. We both make pretty good money and want to buy a house on the ocean. We are also both into scuba diving so we want to get a boat to go on diving trips with. The people I've talked to (who are American mostly) have told me that buying a house and boat in Cartagena is asking for trouble because it's not exactly keeping a low profile. I'm not really worried about this sort of thing but maybe I should be?
What kind of treatment can we expect from the locals? My brother and I are not the type of people to really show off what we have so I'm hoping there won't be any issues there. We are both quite young still but we both look older than our age suggests and we both are quite mature for our age as well.
Anyways, are we going to have a great time, living a Caribbean dream or are we in for a rude wake up call?
Thanks
By ducaticole on Jul 24, 2007, 20:30 in Friendly Talkzone.
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:00: dude this aint some insulated Caribean cruise, get real admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:03: think murder capital of the world duh admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:08: all fun aside, I think you may be ok, with due precautions. security is much better there now, in the major cities, from all I have heard. be very low key. hot dawgs will get hit admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:13: here is your rude wake up call...you are Prime USDA Choice kidnap material with Gringo$$$ tattoo signs all over your pasty forehead.....if i were you, i would do more research on your plans....age and maturity are not at risk, it is your connection to people with $$ that works against you.......men your age only means Daddy has mucho dinero.....dont expect an Its A Small World After All type reception, more like a Mr Toads Wild Ride if you know what i mean.....cuidado should be your middle name.....sorry to be blunt and to rain on your parade, but i would rather not see your photos on the internet as a statistic you dont want..... "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:28: with your attitude, and your cash cow, you are dead. sorry, we are trying to save your lives. get real admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ducaticole says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:33: Well do you guys really think that it will be that bad for us? I mean, we can consider something else if that's the case. My family is not rich by ANY means and wouldn't be able to pay ransom or anything like that. I'm serious here, I have no idea what to expect. We are both mature kids for our age and don't cause trouble but I don't know what it would be like down there. Also, for what its worth, my brother and I both have French blood in us and have a darker complexion and we're actually both pretty tanned and we both have dark brown eyes.
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:37: I defer here to my friends. I have not been to Cartagena. I feel better about north Bogota or possibly, believe it or not, now Medellin. admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:39: it is the perception of being in the $$....reality doesnt count.....to many people there you, comparatively speaking, you got bank written all over you....and to reveal so much info about yourself here indicates a little naiveness....not to be critical, but what others dont know will keep you around much longer.....loose lips sink ships, as the saying goes....you speak spanish? dress and act colombian? they will smell you out faster than a fart in a spacesuit....go visit first, see how it goes, but you are along way from moving there....you dont have to cause trouble, it has a way of finding gringos faster than flies on caca....take baby steps there until you are just as familiar with that enviroment as you are at home....spend alot of time there....it aint a Disneyland Adventureland ride you are looking at.... "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:41: Rule #1 if you're a foreigner is keep a low profile.
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:43: chances are in CTG you would not find your final resting place, but you would basically have to live in the touristy area which has good security, and for the most part is fairly safe, imho....but, if you do all the things that i think you would be doing, ie, scuba , often, then you need $$ to pay for that.....and that mi amigo is noticeable....personally, i would think that you two would stick out like a sore thumb, even if you could pass as a latino..... "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:45: Rule #2 is to paypal some $$ to PBH posters for sound advice.....Billyb has his own retirement fund we are trying to help him out with...he has 14 kids, 5 exwifes, and hemmorhoids......can ya help a brotha out? "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:46: yeah, check it out first, learn the language, be very lowkey, get to know some friends there. You do seem, while nice and genuine, way too naive sounding. naive means, well, I don't even want to say, somebody else please tell him what naive gringo means. admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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runnerup says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:49: i'm rich and I'm not real good at hiding it and I travel all over colombia and hang out with colombianas. i have blue eyes and blonde hair. I think you'll be fine. These pansies that posted before me live through the internet. I think cartagena is a tad boring and to boat to isla rosario is 45 minutes and it is all fished out because of the lack of laws governing the natives. they can take the food because that is how they eat but I think they must be selling it because the reefs are beautiful but I didn't see any bugs (warm reef lobsters) or any fish other than the little tropical minows. cartagena is hot and there are millions of people trying to sell you stuff all the time. No waves either. Keep searching for paradise and let me know when you find it.
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billyb says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:52: What have we got here, another internet super hero?
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:52: pansies living in the internet. I will be in Colombia next week. meet me in the parking lot wuss admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:53: Runnerup, didn't your mama tell you not to stay up late on a school night?
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:54: i agree with christo...you guys sound like straight up people, but i think you would be like Nemo in a pool of tiburones..(sharks).....at the beginning.....Low key means you can count the pores/rings on a worm as he travels overhead....PeeWee Herman types will always lose their money and their booty to the snakes in the grass....which every country has.... "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:57: hold me back Miguel. I want a piece of runnerup's ass. We are trying to be civil here, and helpful to a couple of young guys about to get themselves into deep shit, wide eyed and bushy tailed though they may be. admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 21:58: hey billyb., chill bro...lets invite the lttle rich gringo to party with us sometime, dont ya think? "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:00: ok, well, maybe, I am still trying to cool down. maybe a couple of tequila shots will do it. I ain't billyb, I am Christobeldawg admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:01: they didnt go near ya because they smelled chum..and they know what chum is,....or was it stinkbait? who knows....hey runnerup, you from russian too? "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:02: It's ok C'dawg, I still need to chill too, jaja. Let's invite him to party with our friend's friends in the Valle.
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:03: runnerup, you want some of this old fightin tiger? apologize sincerely, and back down, and you can party with us, because that is the one thing we are experts on. admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:04: ok, I am ok now. whew... admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:11: but this time can we not have VUP do the cooking? grilled frogs legs get old after a while.....=) "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:12: hell, there is a liquor church in Barranquilla called Frogs Leggs....jajajaj.. "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:15: seriously, you kids be very careful on this. admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:21: even though we make fun of los sapos (frogs) they have a quality that is highly desirable when visiting other countries.....make sure your wallet is as tight as a frogs arse..otherwise, with everyone asking for tips, propinas, handouts, you are sure to lose out in the transaction.....i think Vup will be landing in the Bogota lilypad soon, but only for a few hours layover...i think he is meeting with a siberian or something about a shoe shine waxing..... "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:27: be confident in yourself, in a quiet way, of course, expect things to go very well, and relax, and things will go well. get your panties in a wad and you will have problems. think about how a somewhat mad dog only goes after those who seem fearful of him. that's life admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 24, 2007, 22:28: speaking of mad dogs, god rest Micheal Vick. I always wanted him to be a good guy, but always sorta expected that he was a thug. admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 24, 2007, 23:58: dont worry, Rubito ...PBHers have little resell value, and normally get tossed back into the water....but when you make it bigtime, remember us little folks....=) ...send us a CD or two, signed of course... "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:01: and part of the proceeds, cause we were here for ya dude admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:10: billyb, there's anothe internet superhero: rrrrRubito! If he's as bold and brash down there as he is here... he'll be doing shows in a cage in el Departmento de Amazonas y Caucas. And, you'll be lucky if they set the ass end of that bike up off de ground in the cage, so you can stay in (some sort of) shape. Jejee..... Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:14: I am so out here. please give me something to get onto admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:16: what about those 2 naive kids, did we forget them, for our own fun and games? those guys will be dead if they come here admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Lostgringo says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:16: Ok not hoping to step on too many toes and back to the question at hand. There are thousands of backpackers the same age as you and your brother traveling through Colombia every year,,,maybe more. They all seem to do fine with only minor incidents. I have lived here in Colombia now for over an year now and have not seen any trouble. First, every chance you get, study Spanish. The more Spanish you know the more fun you will have here. Cautions about keeping a low profile are absolutely correct. Never, never brag about how much money you have or how much you make when you work. Don't run around with flashy jewelry and so on. Don't stay in the most expensive place where you live. Just use good old common sense and you will be fine here in Colombia. Knowing French and English will help you learn Spanish much faster. I suggest you come to Colombia for a two week vacation. If you really like it just extend your travel plans. Your Home Away from Home www.welovebogota.com and www.apartmentinbogota.com "Luxury apartments and rooms Cheap" Only 2 blocks from the American Embassy! 24/7 hour security. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:21: hey theres an idea GS...maybe rubito can hook up a webcam so he can stream it live, or post a video of his performances......?? that would be cool..... "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ducaticole says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:27: Thanks Lostgringo,
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:32: sorry if we kinda spooked ya, ducaticole....just dont want you letting your guard down, getting hurt, and then be a hot topic here on PBH..... "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:36: yeah, Vup. Loggin's acid wasn't quite as strong as the rest...jjee Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:36: Bogota is great, Medellin is so much safer than 10 years ago, but still risky. I don't know Cartagena. Keep your wits about you, and you should be fine. I was just concerned about a couple of young kids thinking of moving, and flashing mucho dineros, en the lovely coastal city admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:37: ducaticole....If I were you, I'd offer to go spend the spring for la Vallenato festival in the Valle of Dupar,.... CAN YOU SAY: 'RIBBOT'??? Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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bartolo_colon says on Jul 25, 2007, 00:44: Oh for christs sake, you little shit bags will be just fine, but plan on getting fucking screwed over multiple, multiple times because of your naivete. The world outside of canada, is not all curling and molsen. Costenas, of bad character, if given the chance, will eat you two little fucks alive. CTG, if you are an old hand at international travel is a piece of cake, but you two little pukes sound like naive neophites with mullets, high white socks and indiana jones hats. Best of luck, but why not stay in Calgary and hump Paki's to your little pasty hearts content?.....Sorry about that , be nice says the monkey, so, a little test. go visit for a couple weeks vacation, and ask a taxi driver to take you to Barrio Espania and drop you off. Then Find your way home on foot, if every thing ends up cool, then move to Colombia, you will be fine. Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Peter (Moderator) says on Jul 25, 2007, 06:38: Don't believe everything you read on this website, btw. I personally think it wouldn't be any problem. Cartagena isn't exactly the kidnap capital in Colombia (on the contrary), and you sound like sensible people. Poor but snappy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Robert Jorge says on Jul 25, 2007, 09:39: Take gringoinbogota's advice. I have an example also. I have a friend that was kidnapped about 10 years ago when leaving a club in Villavicencio. I never questioned him on why he thinks it happened, because why break a guys balls after the fact? Anyway, I would bet he was targeted, because he looks the part of a rich American. He is actually Colombian by birth. But, he wears the huge gold chain with the emerald incrusted cross, has the shirt unbuttoned down to the stomach, and has a tendency to talk about money to people he just met. Anyway, he was a llanero by birth, speaks perfect Spanish with the correct, local accent, actually isn't rich (quite the opposite), but he was targeted in all likelyhood, because of his big mouth, dress, and the way he carried himself. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 25, 2007, 09:42: Sound fashion advice = sound security advice.
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Robert Jorge says on Jul 25, 2007, 09:42: I forgot to add the guys who kidnapped him already knew how much he had in his US bank account. He did tell me that. They also knew where his family lived in the States and Canada. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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pedro says on Jul 25, 2007, 09:59: For me, Cartagena has never been the Caribbean dream. Some days, dealing with Costenos, you'll think it's a Caribbean nightmare. que nota! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kentuckygreg says on Jul 25, 2007, 10:03: If I were you I would just rent a decent apartment in Laguito in BocaGrande. If you want to buy then get a a condo or something. Not too extravagant. Do not bring your equipment either. Use this place as a vacation destination only. If you want scuba diving I doubt Cartagena is any good. Never have tried nor will I. The water is brown. Try Santa Marta or even better San Andres for that. By all means, I absolutely love Cartagena. Been there twice and looking forward to going back. It's a great party town and full of hotties. :) Having said all that, I would never buy a house there or own something there. Just not worth the hassle in my opinion.
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kentuckygreg says on Jul 25, 2007, 10:15: If you have 5 months off I would recommend going to multiple places. DON'T BUY.
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Robert Jorge says on Jul 25, 2007, 10:18: Yep GIB. My wife says there is quite a narco type presence in Villavo. She pointed several guys out to me as probable narcos when we were out at night at places like Aguapinelas and Kuarzo. I would love to hear about the Don Lolo story. Are you talking about the big hotel next to the new Llano Centro? About a block away from Aguapinelas? Not trying to hijack ... but you have teased my curiosity. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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manjar says on Jul 25, 2007, 11:04: Why not live in Panama City if money is no object to you. Panama is actually Colombia in many ways (Gringos took it to build the canal!) and there are lots of flights from Cartagena to Panama City. Safer in Panama. How about San Jose, Costa Rica? Tons of Canuc er Canadians sorry in Costa Rica. Just a thought eh?
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manjar says on Jul 25, 2007, 11:04: Why not live in Panama City if money is no object to you. Panama is actually Colombia in many ways (Gringos took it to build the canal!) and there are lots of flights from Cartagena to Panama City. Safer in Panama. How about San Jose, Costa Rica? Tons of Canuc er Canadians sorry in Costa Rica. Just a thought eh?
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durito says on Jul 25, 2007, 11:45: I´d much prefer to live many places in Colombia over Panama City or San Jose.
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manINred says on Jul 25, 2007, 12:22: I've been to Cartagena, it's nice, but you have to be careful sometimes. I got myself into a situation that I wouldn't have done had I been in Colombia longer, a good (actually bad) learning experience, and a very sketched-out one at that.
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bueno_pues says on Jul 25, 2007, 19:21: "Have a look at other spots like Santa Marta or the coastal towns of Cordoba state."
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Leeroy says on Jul 25, 2007, 19:24: Too right b_p, I don't want any latinos clogging up my hometown in England either!
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billyb says on Jul 25, 2007, 20:46: Don't worry Leeroy, Bueno_pues lives in a podunk town in Texas.
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adrimm says on Jul 25, 2007, 20:52: I think you'll do just fine.. Go hang out, take a few months of Spanish lessons, then decide for sure.
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christobeldawg says on Jul 25, 2007, 20:54: Medellin, after having the worst reputation in the western world, seems to be a rising star admittedly, arriving can feel great too 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 25, 2007, 21:08: at bartolo_colon...damn, dude...i am going to repeat one of my favorite Elmoisms: "I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave" 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Robert Jorge says on Jul 26, 2007, 00:33: Pretty creepy story GIB. But thanks for the info. My wife and I actually stayed there our last 3 nights in Villavo. We never saw a ghost. We did see a duck in the pool. The poor hotel worker couldn't catch the damn thing for a while, and it refused to leave the premises. Maybe it was the ole' Don Lolo reincarnated. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Robert Jorge says on Jul 26, 2007, 00:48: By the way, very nice hotel ... probably the best in Villavicencio. WAY overpriced. I paid close to half the price of the Don Lolo, at the Suites Real in Bogota. But, for those gringos who insist on hot water, decent mini-bar, air conditioning, free breakfast, a little pool that you'll never use because you will be out with the llaneras, etc. you might choose this hotel. Personally, I prefer the Hotel Portal de Llano. It is in Villavo centro, $20 a night, has cable TV, you can steal an Internet connection from the Avantel store across the street if you have a laptop and are savy, no hot water, very clean rooms, very nice staff, owner's name is Lucho who also runs a legit jewelry business in the Centro Comercial Los Centauros, and has AC. Oops, I got carried away there. Sorry for the hijack. --"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Peter (Moderator) says on Jul 26, 2007, 00:55: The only thing that bothered me about living in Colombia was all the *talk* about the danger, where not to go and so on. It gets tiring sometimes, so that's something you have to be able to live with. Poor but snappy 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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bueno_pues says on Jul 26, 2007, 05:53: "Bueno_pues lives in a podunk town in Texas."
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elk says on Jul 26, 2007, 06:01: Manjar:
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Man Tequila says on Jul 26, 2007, 09:55: Visit the country and then decide if you want to live there. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ducaticole says on Jul 26, 2007, 18:44: Yeah, we are definately visiting first before making any decisions. My brother and I maybe got a bit carried away when we were talking about wanting to buy property right away. We'll definately be renting for a while.
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goin_south says on Jul 26, 2007, 21:30: I was going to offer my Red Carpet Peabody Colombian Guide Services to you, ducaticole. But for two things. You guys are too f*qn young; nor do you have enough money to afford the services. Sorry, pal. Ciao! Gustav. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 26, 2007, 21:31: Duc, visit, keep your eyes open and don't be the "tall poppy", you'll be fine and have a great time, but do visit and get look around before you buy.
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